<div>Dear Colleagues and Friends,</div>
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<div>It is truly nice to see reinstated for possible, that is possible, consideration, some of what others might feel (if they say so) are old-timer chat *thangs.* </div>
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<div>Actually, at Athens IGF-The-First - oldfogeys and youngfogeys had what seemed a great time together, while midfogeys could be said to be staying rather aloof. If one wanted to say that.</div>
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<div>BecauseI I qualify on the timers time line, whether i want to or not, a bit more of a note of appreciation.</div>
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<div>In the main the fundament issues were indeed part of the "Computer Revolution" of 1964. An example of why some topics will be forever rebirthing or at least ash-arising as to network expansions and shrinkings.
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<div>Of course they aren't the only ones. Life being a spiral not a circle.</div>
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<div>Recent posts suggesting aspects of what one may tag for the occasion as "self-organizing systems" are terrific reads, and a visit to the <em>Malcolm</em> e-terrain (.au) could be an award for performance or at least attendance in various types of contemporary town halls. A 'ticket to ride' to oases of splendid thinking and great family fotos - in real-enuf intervals..
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<div>Warm regards, Linda.</div>
<div>Dr. L. D. Misek-Falkoff.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/10/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:mgurst@vcn.bc.ca">mgurst@vcn.bc.ca</a></b> <<a href="mailto:mgurst@vcn.bc.ca">mgurst@vcn.bc.ca</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Colleagues,<br><br>I think it is well to recognize that all of these discussions are taking<br>place "in real time", that is, the Internet world is evolving in its own
<br>ways and at its own speed irrespective of the deliberations of the IGF<br>etc. and that these discussions would be well advised to take account of<br>these developments and adjust themselves accordingly.<br><br>I've been travelling/conferencing in Asia for the last several weeks and
<br>have had an opportunity to sit in on a variety of<br>discussions/presentations concerning the plans/programs which are emerging<br>in many of the countries in the region.<br><br>What is evident from these, and what wasn't evident even as recently as
<br>WSIS is the degree to which the governments in South Asia (and one would<br>expect similar developments in other LDC's where there is sufficient<br>infrastructure) are moving into electronically enabled e-Government
<br>service delivery as significant elements in overall government service<br>(and economic and social development) programming and planning.<br><br>From the stupendously ambitious e-services program in India (one<br>e-services centre for every 5000 rural residents--80% of India's (
1.2<br>billion) population is rural), to counterpart programs in Bangla Desh and<br>Sri Lanka and what appear on first glance to be even more pro-active and<br>ambitious programs in Malaysia and the Philippines, major Internet (ICT)
<br>enabled developments (of profound local/national significance) are afoot<br>in the region.<br><br>Issues of data integrity, security and privacy come immediately to mind<br>but perhaps even more important the (perhaps accidental) ambiguity of the
<br>term "Internet Governance" comes to the fore. Most of the folks on this<br>list and in the IGF in general seem to have understood that "Internet<br>Governance" referred to the "governance of the Internet". My guess is that
<br>in the very near future at least numerically, the issues of "Internet<br>Governance" as "governance by/through the Internet" (and all that that<br>implies) will be of equal or greater importance.<br>
<br>The agenda for a forum on "Internet Governance" defined in this latter way<br>would necessarily include issues of for example:<br>* democratic and grassroots participation<br>* multi-lingualism<br>* access/digital/physical/literacy divides
<br>* quality standards and controls<br>* evaluation and feedback and ensuring/enforcing accountability and<br>transparency<br>...among others...<br><br>These issues are one's which have traditionally engaged civil society and
<br>notably civil society is emerging as partners in the variety of these<br>national initiatives (Parminder's home organization, IT for Change being<br>one among a vast number of national NGO players in India, as an example).
<br><br>Any space on the agenda in Rio (or in the caucus statement) for a<br>discussion of any of the multitude of issues arising from any of this?<br><br>Mike Gurstein<br><br><br><br><br><br>Best to all,<br><br>Mike Gurstein
<br><br>> All,<br>><br>> this is the second version of the statement, incorporating all<br>> suggestions that were made (the ODT version has notes with the<br>> sources... and OpenOffice couldn't produce a working RTF so I used PDF).
<br>><br>> There are a couple of further notes:<br>><br>> - I kept the original laundry list approach for themes, adding the<br>> "meta-governance" one, and for AG composition (where specifying which CS
<br>> groups should be represented was objected to).<br>><br>> - In the end, there were several objections to our recognition of the<br>> fourth stakeholder group, so I didn't add it.<br>><br>> - I still don't know what to do about ICANN; I was waiting to see some
<br>> discussion about the message by Carlos (noted again by Milton) but there<br>> was none. I would suggest that those who are strongly "for" or strongly<br>> "against" the IGC explicitly supporting "the nature of ICANN" as one of
<br>> the themes for Rio just say it here, now, and Parminder and I will do a<br>> last minute consensus call on Monday. For the moment, I left the<br>> original text (which anyway calls for our inclusion in the "enhanced
<br>> cooperation" process).<br>><br>> In the meantime, I remind everyone that we are meeting as a caucus right<br>> at the end of the afternoon session (about 6pm) on Tuesday, with "Next<br>> steps to Rio" as the agenda. (BTW - does anyone know how could we get a
<br>> room in the Palais? Otherwise we'll just move to the bar.)<br>><br>> Thanks,<br>> --<br>> vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------<br>> --------> finally with a new website at
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