<div>Dear Danny,</div>
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<div>What you write accepting multilateral roles across the board, as I read it, seems very sensible in that <em>university think=tanks for instance</em> have usually relied on <em>budgetings</em> that translate often into quasi or real private sector endeavors in significant parts rather than purely civil society endeavors (or, certainly grass roots endeavors).
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<div>I don't meant this pessimistically; overheard at World Bank once: 'Budgets are what stand between (in the good sense as well as others) Governments and Projects'.</div>
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<div>A review of the history of computing itself seems to support this inclusive POV and render it not unpalatable. (Sidebar: You seem both a realist and an idealist at the same time, nice work! Classic and romantic mixes, as perceived here .. just an interpretation of course).
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<div>:) Linda..<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/4/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Danny Butt</b> <<a href="mailto:db@dannybutt.net">db@dannybutt.net</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hasn't it always been the case that the government of the US (or any<br>economically powerful free-market economy) gives the "private sector"
<br>a "leadership role" when that is coextensive with geopolitical<br>interests?<br><br>I always saw ICANN as being on a USG leash that would be pulled<br>whenever convenient, or if it became too international - regardless
<br>of the formal wording of the MoU. Hopefully we can now dispense with<br>the distracting fiction that ICANN was an model of a mythical user-<br>led global internet. The primary actors in that organisation have<br>always been more or less in accord with USG interests, gestures
<br>against "government control" notwithstanding.<br><br>From my POV, a truly multistakeholder process advocated by civil<br>society has to assert multilateralism as one of its strongest<br>principles, rather than using idealist antipathy to any governmental
<br>involvement as a way of avoiding the questions about who actually has<br>the power in IG arrangements.<br><br>Danny<br><br>On 04/12/2006, at 6:45 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwächter wrote:<br><br>><br>> Is there any offcial comment by the USG on the ITU Resolution 102
<br>> from Antalya? Is there some interpretation what means what? US<br>> Government obviously has supported (or watered down and when yes<br>> what was the earlier version?) the text. You will find in the<br>> adopted text seven times "enhanced cooperation", half a dozen times
<br>> "domain names and IP addresses" but ICANN is not mentioned at all.<br>> Is this a new US double-strategy? Or a farewell to "private sector<br>> leadership"?<br>><br>> wolfgang<br>>
<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Milton Mueller [mailto:<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>]<br>> Sent: Sun 12/3/2006 6:37 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org
</a>; <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [governance] New dot com agreement changes USG-ICANN<br>> relationship<br>><br>>>>> <a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">
aizu@anr.org</a> 12/2/2006 2:34:09 PM >>><br>>> I naiively had thought that USG/DOC has had the ultimate authority<br>>> over .com and any other resources, despite, or in addition to ICANN's<br>>> authority which is under the mercy of USG anyway with the MoU.
<br>>><br>>> Is there any really new element between DOC and VeriSign to the<br>> existing<br>>> cooperative agreement?<br>><br>> Yes.<br>><br>> VeriSign's control of .com began with a National Science Foundation
<br>> "cooperative agreement" starting in 1991, which was switched to the<br>> Commerce Dept in 1997. But the whole idea of ICANN was that assignment<br>> and regulation of gTLD registries, including VeriSign, would be
<br>> delegated to ICANN.<br>><br>> The Nov. 30 decision is quite significant because Commerce is<br>> giving up<br>> on using ICANN to renew .com, it asserts that it must have final<br>> say on<br>> any aspect of the registry contract. Nothing like that formally
<br>> existed<br>> before.<br>><br>>> Does VeriSingh have more "freedom" than before?<br>><br>> No, it has less in some respects.<br>><br>>> Has ICANN really been undermined (looks like)?
<br>><br>> Yes, because its registry agreement for .com is now formally reviewed<br>> and approved by Commerce, rather than the decision being fully<br>> delegated<br>> to ICANN. If you are VeriSign, you negotiate primarily with Commerce
<br>> about .com, not ICANN.<br>><br>>> Are these change very clear, or subject of interpretation?<br>><br>> Oh, anything can be "interpreted" in different ways, that's what you<br>> pay PR flaks for, and that's why certain apologists will never concede
<br>> anything.<br>><br>> Just read the agreement, to me it's very clear that this is (yet<br>> another) significant departure from the concept of an independent,<br>> globalized Internet governance authority and a another step toward
<br>> stronger US control.<br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________________________<br>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">
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