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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I will try some reconciliation between Vittorio’s and Bill’s
drafts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I think there is a good degree of congruence expect for the first (substantial)
para in Vittorio’s draft. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To quote<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>>></span></font><font face="Courier New"><span
style='font-family:"Courier New"'> First of all, the first instance of the IGF
has apparently been conceived on the model of an international >conference,
with pre-arranged panelists instructing the audience on pre-defined themes, and
limited opportunities for >participants to express their views, or to raise
other issues. While we appreciate the effort, we would like to ensure >that
any stakeholder has sufficient opportunities to express views, raise issues of
concern, gather interest in them, >and get them addressed at the IGF or
forwarded to the appropriate venue. In other words, we would like to stress the
>importance of replacing top-down organizational models with bottom-up
procedures, where a sufficient number of >participants can put issues on the
agenda and start working on them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I understand the motivation
behind it – but we are back to – shd it be a more (and more) open conference
kind of a thing, or should be more focused, purposeful body which is able to
carry out the tasks we list for it (in subsequent paras). I think though both
aspects are important, there is some ‘structural’ trade-off here.
If we make this (as above) our first point, it takes the edge off our effort to
speak about IGF’s capacity to do many of things we want it to do…
In any case, our working group/ dynamic coalitions point makes for processes of
inclusion. I don’t think just being able to get up in a big noisy room and
speaking out to one’s heart’s content adds much. Structuring participation
and inclusiveness is a better approach – which we are doing by asking for
more openness in MAG etc processes, and putting up WG like structures. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>If we leave this para out –
rest of the Vittorio’s draft and Bill’s are not too different. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><st1:place w:st="on"><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Para</span></font></st1:place><font
face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'> beginning ‘Ultimately,
we see the IGF…” corresponds to Bill’s point 1. para
beginning ‘We suggest the IGF to develop…” corresponds to
Bill’s point 3, and paras beginning ‘we see…’ and ‘we
strive….’ can be pulled together with Bill’s point 2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>So if Vittorio and Bill can
do a quick round, privately, on putting out an agreed draft covering these 3
points, we may be close to agreement. The prefaces etc can also be agreed to…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Parminder Jeet Singh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>IT for Change, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangalore</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> From: William Drake [mailto:drake@hei.unige.ch]</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:04 PM</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> To: Governance</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Subject: Re: [governance] Caucus Statement: another proposal</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Hi,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> It's Wednesday and IGF attendees are presumably traveling</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Saturday-Sunday,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> so the time frame is very short. If the 50 + people who</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> signed the caucus</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> charter want to agree a caucus statement we'll have to move</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> pretty quickly</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> to get rough consensus or do a vote. At present the response</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> level to the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> various proposals doesn't seem promising...</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> If full caucus action is impossible, another option might be</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> to do a sign-on</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> as "members of the caucus" rather than the caucus per
se. We</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> went this</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> route with the text on CS inclusion I inserted into the ITU's</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> WSIS follow-up</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> meeting earlier in the year, which worked well. Either way,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> it'd be good to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> hear from people what they want to do, if anything.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Two quick replies to the responses that did come in (thanks):</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jeremy Shtern</st1:PersonName>
<jeremy.shtern@umontreal.ca></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Para 73 c of the "<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tunis</st1:place></st1:State>
Agenda for the Information Society"</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> reads:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> ></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > "... IGF meetings, in principle, may be held in parallel</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> with major</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > relevant UN conferences, /inter alia/, to use logistical</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> support."</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> ></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Unless there is something UN going on in parallel this year</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Athens</st1:place></st1:City>,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > or next year in <st1:place w:st="on">Rio</st1:place> that I
am unaware of (very possible),</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> this 'may'</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > seems to be turning into a 'will not'. I think the absence</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> of the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > ability to draw on existing logistical support ties in to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> some of the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > stuff we are already raising in this declaration about the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> problems of</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > capacity for participation.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> I take your point. But while the IGF secretariat is a tiny</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> operation and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> undoubtedly could use more logistical support, this also ties</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> into the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> question of the IGF's independence. You may recall that at</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Tunis</st1:City>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Russia</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> unilaterally held up agreement on the TA until the last</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> minute by</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> successfully demanding that lots of references to the ITU's</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> competence and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> potentially leading contributions to the IGF be inserted into</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> the text (the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Russian rep being the head of the ITU WSIS WG etc). The</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> nominally anodyne</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> language on UN logistical support can be viewed in this</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> context. Before and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> after the agreement, there was a lot of public and private</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> discussion about</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> whether the IGF might simply fall into that orbit, inter alia</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> due to lack of</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> the political and financial support needed to stay up</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> independently. This</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> is part of why the caucus made statements in PrepCom 3 and at</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tunis</st1:place></st1:State>
to the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> effect that the IGF should have the institutional capacity to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> function</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> independently and should not be tied to any existing agency.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> It is arguably</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> preferable that we are not holding the IGF as an addendum to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> the ITU</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Plenipotentiary in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Antalya</st1:place></st1:City>
with all the same participants</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> etc. If ITU</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> members want to create an ITU-I division that's their</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> business, but IGF is</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> an alternative and more open space. (Conversely, if the IGF</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> doesn't work</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> out, even more governmental action will default to the ITU---</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> a point to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> which some early opponents of an IGF seemed oblivious. As it</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> is, you should</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> see some of the proposals for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Antalya</st1:place></st1:City>...).</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > From: Jeremy Malcolm <Jeremy@Malcolm.id.au></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Just two points. First, I have an issue with the whole</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> "dynamic</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > coalitions" idea, because it is easy for a powerful</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> oligopoly to exclude</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > other willing stakeholders from a dynamic coalition, and</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> difficult to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > ensure that it is in any way accountable or transparent in</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> its</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > functioning. I much prefer the idea of relatively
formal</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> working groups</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > which can be required to report to the IGF, to adhere to</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> consensus</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > principles, and to be inclusive of any willing</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> participants.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > So I would simply delete the words "any dynamic
coalitions</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> or</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > informal"; it may be just a change of nomenclature, but
I</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> think no less</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > powerful for that.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> ></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> 'Dynamic coalitions' is ugly but the semi-official</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> formulation because some</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> governments get crazy at the idea of working groups. When I</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> used the latter</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> term at the last IGF consultation your government in</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> particular said in no</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> uncertain terms that they could not accept formal WGs (nobody</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> in CS ever</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> argued for formalized groups, but such distinctions get lost</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> amidst tooth</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> gnashing about 'slippery slopes' etc). Not clear there'd be</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> much to gain by</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> restarting a nomenclature battle here when we're already</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> pushing on more</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> important and sensitive spots...?</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > Second, in lieu of it being a petition, perhaps you could</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> include in</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > there a reference to how many members of the IGC there are?</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> Though that</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > is an open question, I realise.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> What would be the strategic benefit of publicly announcing</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> how small we are?</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Either way, don't let these small niggles hold this up</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> being</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > finalised/formalised if others seriously disagree.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> ></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > Finally, can we stick this up at igcaucus.org (even if it</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> has a "DRAFT"</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > label on it)?</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> Well, Vittorio hasn't indicated that he's withdrawn the</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> language he's</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> proposed, so you can't replace that with this. You could</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> post them both as</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> options a and b or something if you like.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> Best,</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Bill</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
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