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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I agree with Vittorio's scheme
of two meetings...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>>>a possible
process statement to be given afterwards in the plenary (which should, anyway,
be first drafted and discussed on list) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Yes, we should give a statement
on IGC to the plenary and outside. IGF is too big an opportunity to be missed..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>However, I also think that it
should be possible to agree on this list – in the next few days - on a short
statement at least on the IGF process (if not on some substantive matters –
even if briefly stating public interest orientation etc) - and what we expect
out of it, and what is our level of satisfaction over its current institutional
form....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The way IGF is organized and
is increasing describing itself has some problems about its ability and
effectiveness in fulfilling all the points of its mandate under para 72 of
Tunis Agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In this regard please see the
latest statement of Nitin Desai in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City>
at <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6037345.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6037345.stm</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(quote)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;
margin-left:35.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>“The forum has no membership, it's an
open door, a town hall, all views are welcome.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;
margin-left:35.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"But it's not a decision-making body. We
have no members so we have no power to make decision." <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(ends)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:0in;
mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>For example how does it plan to “Interface
with appropriate intergovernmental organizations and other institutions on
matters under their purview” or to “advice all stakeholder”
or “Promote and assess, on an ongoing basis, the embodiment of WSIS
principles in Internet governance processes” and few such mandates that
require a more active role than being an international conference on IGF…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:0in;
mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>How does IGF plan to do it, since it says that it
has no members and no ‘body’ so as to say, and is merely a ‘space’.
What is the special status or legitimacy of this ‘space’ and
if there is any such specialty about it – how is it proposed to be
expressed…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>(we may even just list such questions form IGC and
ask them officially on IGC’s behalf in open house. Maybe with a list
forwarded to the secretariat earlier)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:0in;
mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>After WSIS, a top US officials said something to the
effect that things have turned out well for the US (and allied economic and
political) interests, but that we – meaning these interests - need to be
careful over 2006 as well – and that 2006 is an important year. He
obviously meant WSIS follow-up processes, where ‘unpleasant’ issues
may again raise their head. Id say, as things are going, they are having it
even better than they had it during the WSIS, and any strong public
interest, or south oriented advocacy has not build up in post-WSIS spaces. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:35.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:0in;
mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>The first meeting of IGF is an important occasion
which still have (I hope) some possibility of determining IGF’s character
in a meaningful way whereby IGF still has some status, role and effectiveness beyond
being an annual IG conference..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormalIndent style='mso-margin-top-alt:2.0pt;margin-right:41.25pt;
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mso-list:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Any effort to get this done needs to come from IGC,
and we should not declare it lost even before we have tried the least bit….
We must recognise we represent, in some ways, the global civil society, since
there aren’t many others in this space, and we have corresponding
responsibilities…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> -----Original Message-----</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu.org]</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:58 PM</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; Adam Peake</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Subject: Re: [governance] Caucus meeting in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Athens</st1:place></st1:City></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Adam Peake ha scritto:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> > Whoever considers themselves coordinators, get coordinating</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> please :-)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> You know, that might be an empty set! :-) Anyway, I would</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> suggest that,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> if possible, we keep the two things parted.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> One might be a short and small coordination meeting among the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> current</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> caucus members, where we discuss practical issues such as the</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> election</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> process (and candidates, if you like) and a possible process</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> statement</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> to be given afterwards in the plenary (which should, anyway,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> be first</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> drafted and discussed on list).</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Another one might be a short but broader informational</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> meeting, open to</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> everyone in a big room, aimed at informing all civil society</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> individual participants of the opportunity to participate</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> through us. We</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> could just come up with a set of slides about what we did and</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> how you</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> can join, and do outreach. It could actually turn into a sort</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> of</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> "introduction to new participants to this process", a
bit</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> like ICANN's</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> introduction at the beginning, and so it could actually be a</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> service to</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> the entire Forum. But then, this would require a big room on</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> the first</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> day, and I don't know whether that's feasible. On the other</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> hand, the</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> other, "internal" meeting could be moved out of the
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10.0pt'>> path, for</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> example at dinner or just before it, after the Forum ends for</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> the first day.</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > Other things going on during lunch will be the new informal</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> plaza (and</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> > food.)</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> And don't forget about food... people less crazy than us tend</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> to put it</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> as a high priority item :-)</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> --</span></font></p>
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10.0pt'>> vb.
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