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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>></span></font>yes, that is the
historical page for the IGC as a WSIS CS committee. I have looked at that
and avoided changing it until after the charter is approved.<br>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/" name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">In
fact, since history is one of the most important constituents of meaning, it
may be appropriate to leave the historical fact of how IGC came to be, in the
opening part of the charter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Though to fit the purpose of the charter,
it may have to be changed a bit. Something like,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>IGC was formed by <s>The IGC</s> <s>comprises</s> individual and organizational civil society<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>actors who<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b></span>came together in the context of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) to<o:p></o:p></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>promote global public interest objectives in Internet governance policy making. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I propose that this be the opening line of
the charter even before the vision, putting the issue in perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks. Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Avri Doria</st1:PersonName> [mailto:avri@psg.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 22, 2006
11:56 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Parminder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">governance@lists.cpsr.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] charter
1.5</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 22 jul 2006, at 12.17, Parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName">>in
my understanding of the notion of intentionality, only people can have
intentions. if an abstract entity like a caucus has an intention it is
only because its >membership has one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I think, organizations have intentions as well, which is more than
or different from the sum of (independent) intentions of its constituents. I
think this is very basic to definition, theory etc of organizations. We can of
course speak of organizations seeking to, having the intention, working towards
etc etc without having to speak of its members having the intention
etc….. In fact, often my own independent intentions may not be exactly
the same as that of the organization that I may constitute, IGC, in this case.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>True, but in the sense of a charter, we are agreeing on a statement
that the members specifically intend.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName">I
saw the ‘membership’ clause in the draft closely, and I agreed with
this clause as it stand, though I, and some others who have argued on this
list, do have views about how groups/ organizations/ interest groups based
stakeholder-ship (going beyond a strict construction implied in
‘membership’) of IGC should be emphasized. And it is emphasized in
the mission of the present draft, and in some parts of the tasks. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>And it also flows from the history of the caucus. For example, the
webpage for the IGC list serve mentions that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> This list is for a) public discussion of Internet governance issues, and b) coordination of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>The IGC comprises individual and organizational civil society<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></pre><pre><b><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>actors (emphasis added) </span></font></b>that came together in the context of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>promote global public interest objectives in Internet governance policy making. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>yes, that is the historical page for the IGC as a WSIS CS
committee. I have looked at that and avoided changing it until after the
charter is approved.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName">However, I also understand that for many process related issues, some kind of strict definition of membership aspects is necessary. And that the membership portion of the draft charter deals with this issue. And that perhaps it will be too complicated to get into organizational memberships in this respect. And to that extent, and for that strict purpose of fixing some necessary processes, it may be necessary to describe “</span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>the members of the IGC are individuals, acting in personal capacity”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></pre><pre><span
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>So the issue of speaking about membership in relation to fixing some important IGC processes, is not the same as laying out IGC’s wider scope, domain, general constitution, stakeholdership, representative-ness etc, which I understand it is the intention of all of us to be a inclusive of what can go in the name of civil society as possible. It is in this sense that I have problems with mentioning ‘membership’ in the mission statement. </span></font><o:p></o:p></pre></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I understand. And I realize that my objection may be more
pedantic than political. so am willing to to go back to the
previous usage, though for correctness sake, as far as i can tell from
the various dictionary descriptions of usage i have consulted during this
conversation, caucus, as committee, takes a plural form of the
verb. So it would be:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> The caucus intend ....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I still would like to hear other opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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