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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Avri<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>>in my understanding of the notion of intentionality, only people
can have intentions. if an abstract entity like a caucus has an intention
it is only because its >membership has one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think, organizations have intentions as
well, which is more than or different from the sum of (independent) intentions
of its constituents. I think this is very basic to definition, theory etc of organizations.
We can of course speak of organizations seeking to, having the intention,
working towards etc etc without having to speak of its members having the
intention etc….. In fact, often my own independent intentions may not be
exactly the same as that of the organization that I may constitute, IGC, in
this case. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I saw the ‘membership’ clause
in the draft closely, and I agreed with this clause as it stand, though I, and
some others who have argued on this list, do have views about how groups/ organizations/
interest groups based stakeholder-ship (going beyond a strict construction implied
in ‘membership’) of IGC should be emphasized. And it is emphasized
in the mission of the present draft, and in some parts of the tasks. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And it also flows from the history of the
caucus. For example, the webpage for the IGC list serve mentions that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> This list is for a) public discussion of Internet governance issues, and b) coordination of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>The IGC comprises individual and organizational civil society<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></pre><pre><b><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>actors (emphasis added) </span></font></b>that came together in the context of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>promote global public interest objectives in Internet governance policy making. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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color:navy'>However, I also understand that for many process related issues, some kind of strict definition of membership aspects is necessary. And that the membership portion of the draft charter deals with this issue. And that perhaps it will be too complicated to get into organizational memberships in this respect. And to that extent, and for that strict purpose of fixing some necessary processes, it may be necessary to describe “</span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>the members of the IGC are individuals, acting in personal capacity”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></pre><pre><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></pre><pre><font
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color:navy'>So the issue of speaking about membership in relation to fixing some important IGC processes, is not the same as laying out IGC’s wider scope, domain, general constitution, stakeholdership, representative-ness etc, which I understand it is the intention of all of us to be a inclusive of what can go in the name of civil society as possible. It is in this sense that I have problems with mentioning ‘membership’ in the mission statement. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As for secret vote for charter adoption, I have already stated that I will go with your decision on this. However, I was just emphasizing the issues and values involved in my appeal for open voting once more. And this connects with the wider scope and some kind of representation-ship of the IGC group that I speak of above. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>About ‘cultural concerns’ I only wondered if the language was the best that can be used here, and if ‘concerns’ sound fine. Otherwise I agree altogether with all that you say in your email about this issue. So, I am fine with it going as it is. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Avri Doria</st1:PersonName> [mailto:avri@acm.org] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:37
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Parminder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] charter
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 22 jul 2006, at 08.20, Parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks Avri, for driving the process long and
hard, but hopefully now towards a closure.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>yes, i very much hope that is the case. I will submit the names
for voting on Monday and start to build the voting directory. once that
is done we can schedule the vote.<br>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Can I share a few comments on the latest
changes.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>the most significant<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> change was to the mission where i
replaced<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> It is intended<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> with<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> The membership of the caucus intends<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> I understand this is a slightly
different meeting as it attributes<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> the intention to the membership as
opposed to some abstract entity.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Can we just say ' the caucus intends....'
because the mention of membership in this line appears to stand out
discordantly. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>in my understanding of the notion of intentionality, only people can
have intentions. if an abstract entity like a caucus has an intention it
is only because its membership has one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>It appears to highlight the importance of
enrolling as members, kind of a exclusive ‘ only for members’
stance. Whereas we plan to keep the forum wider, more open, and though
developing networks and other connections offer some possibilities for
non-members to participate in some ways – through membership of
individuals representing groups, HR caucus for example, or through other
outreach measures that we pledge to undertake in other parts of the charter….</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>the charter includes a paragraph on membership:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:0in'><span class=apple-style-span><b><font size=6 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Membership</span></font></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:0in'><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The members of the IGC are
individuals, acting in personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the
caucus. All members are equal and have the same rights and duties.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>as this shows, the IGC is composed of individuals who subscribe to the
charter. so to say that 'the membership' of the IGC is not exclusionary
in the least.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It does, however, distinguish between those on the list because
they want to track what we are talking about, especially when it is contentful,
and those who actually see themselves as members.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I see no content difference between the two constructions, except that
one is more conceptually reasonable, i.e. the people who are the IGC have the
intention not the abstract entity called IGC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would be interested in hearing other opinions on this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><O:P></O:P><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Another thing about the part where the option
of secret versus open voting is stated.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>At all times when a case for open voting was
made on this list, it was insisted that there can and will be situations where
secret voting may be needed. So can we make the option to read<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>All voting will be open, though on discretion
of moderators, with or without request from member(s), it can be made into a
secret vote. The reasons for making it a secret vote will be stated, and are
subject to appeal.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I can certainly substitute this for the current open voting
option. i.e.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Elections will be run by the
coordinators and will be subject to the appeals process.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#FFF75E'><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Option 1:
All voting will be by secret ballot with the exception noted above for release
of voters names.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#FFF75E'><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Option
2: </span></font></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>All
voting will be open, though on discretion of moderators, with or without
request from member(s), it can be made into a secret vote. The reasons for
making it a secret vote will be stated, and are subject to appeal.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>As for making the vote on this charter itself
a secret vote, I know that a decision has to be taken one way or the other by
the moderator, and I do not want to raise dissent here and will agree to go
with the decision. However, this particular vote exemplifies my position on
open voting very well. I cannot find one reason why the vote should be secret
in this case, and the ‘competing’ imperative of transparency of process
and ‘public-ness’ of opinion and representation (if any) remains
strong in this case.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>for me there are two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>- it has been the assumption of this process for a while now that the
vote will be closed. the charter proposal that came out of the drafting
team contained:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:13.5pt;
margin-left:0in'><span class=apple-style-span><b><font size=6 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Acceptance of the
Charter</span></font></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>After 30 days discussion and
editing, the charter will be presented for a vote. All members of the IGC mail
list will be given voter accounts. In order to qualify to vote on the charter,
the prospective voter will first need to affirm that they qualify as a member
of the group as described elsewhere in the charter. A list of those who
self-affirm membership, but not their votes, will be published after the vote.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Obviously this is not a option that can be voted on after the charter
vote, so it needs to be decided beforehand. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Since yours is the only argument against this acceptance clause since
we began the discussion, I would prefer to leave this in place. If the
rest of the membership desires open votes (option 2) thereafter they can decide
that way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Since this has stood until now in the charter, I would very much appreciate
letting the acceptance process go through as written.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Third thing…<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The phrase (realization of) ‘cultural
concerns’ in the vision looks a bit odd, can we think of a replacement
that serves the purpose better… that if any one has some bright idea, I
couldn’t hit upon one.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I kind of like cultural concerns because it keeps us from having
to include a long list of all the possible cultural concerns we care
about. And of course, since no such list is ever complete, we would leave
a few out as we would not be able to agree on some and we might have no
one currently in the IGC who would argue for some. While we could include
'inter alia' to make up for the fact that we did not include someone's cultural
concern, i think that is a poor consolation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>thanks for your comments<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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