<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>You probably saw where I just sent a message that indicated I was thinking of the less substantive charter to start with.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>but I think you are right in that we need to do the more substantive work. I wonder whether they can be done in two parts.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>1. get the working charter that explains basic vision, who, what and how (your 1 and maybe part of 2)</DIV><DIV> then select second second co-coordinator based on the how (unless we pick one by the 5th)</DIV><DIV>2.. start to work seriously on the substantive issue papers (the hard part of your 2, and 3)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>a.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 1 maj 2006, at 06.59, Parminder wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"> <O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Dear All<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">I think we should set a limit - say by the end on this week - Friday the 5th - to close the arrangement for facilitating the transition. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">The main issue is Avri or Avri plus one (and if so whom).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">I am fine with either. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">However, I will like to know what broadly is implied in this transition period. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">1. The minimum it appears is to set up an agreed process - written in a charter - which addresses issues of choosing coordinators, their work conditions etc. And some related or otherwise relatively minor process issues. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">That would be relatively easier. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">2. Writing down the process of developing positions on behalf of IGC will be much more difficult. This category broadly includes nominating representatives of IGC (like we did recently for IGF) and such representative processes.... We can also include here issues of structural arrangement that IGC shd be in with the CS ecology around it. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">3. Writing down some broad but substantive guidelines/ positions - vision, scope, guiding principles etc - for IGC will be even more difficult. It can get to be a somewhat difficult and heavily contested process (rightly so, for something which is evidently very political).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Jeannette and some others (me included) have been insisting that we go through this process of writing some substantive principle/policy things into the charter as well. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">So, while I consider all the above as processes that will take some amount of pains of passage, I consider them important and crucial, and appeal to the group that we show the political will to go through these processes to give a new leash of life to IGC. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Now if this all is agreed and the responsibility of it understood – we can come back to the question we face immediately. Avri or Avri plus one.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">I am very fine if Avri thinks she can handle this well, to carry us through the process – and in that case I support her to do it solo. However, if there is a feeling (and I have some half-doubts here) that two persons will be able to deflect the pressures of this difficult period better than one, we shd go for it. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Here I only want us to do some forward thinking and judge what kind of process will the transition entail, and take our ‘number of facilitators decision’ with that in mind. But lets in any case close it in the next 4 days.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Regards<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Parminder <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">________________________________________________<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Parminder Jeet Singh<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">IT for Change, <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Bangalore</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">91-80-26654134<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">www.ITforChange.net <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">-----Original Message-----<BR> From: governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org [<A href="mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org</A>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria<BR> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:51 AM<BR> To: Internet Governance Caucus<BR> Subject: Re: [governance] Transition<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">On 30 apr 2006, at 17.13, Milton Mueller wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">> Looking forward, rather than backwards or sideways as so many seem <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">> prone to do, would you please re-iterate the basic elements of your <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">> proposal in a bulleted list and show how the selection of 2 rather <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">> than one Avris would or would not affect the substance of the <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">> proposal.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">The proposal I made, which was contingent on consensus.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">the basics:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- i become a single coordinator of the caucus with a 1 yr term<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- we decide on a working charter that included a process for picking <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">coordinators<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> (i suggested a nomcom - but that was not well accepted, so it <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">needs more discussion)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- we then picked a second coordinator for 2 year term as soon as we <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">have the working charter and the process for picking<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- as my 1 year term was ending, we picked a second coordinator for a <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">2 year term.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">with mentions about finding new collaborative methods for getting <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">things done etc...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">My main concerns, other then getting a charter that gets moving <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">again, are for a finding a reliable and acceptable method for <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">choosing coordinators given the nature of the caucus, and for that <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">methodology to be a staggered method, so we are never without <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">continuity of coordination.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">so I think having 2 coordinators to start the transition means:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- we have a choosing at some point to replace one or both of them<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- some have suggested privately that the act of being the transition <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">coordinator burns the coordinators so they can't continue as <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">coordinators after the transition. i think this is possibly true. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">and was certainly expecting my one year term to be non renewable <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">(though i did not explicitly include that in the description - though <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">i could if we thought it was necessary). so if we have two, and the <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">theory that working the transition burns the coordinator is correct, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">then we burn two instead of one.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">- in that case we could follow the steps above with the variation<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - pick 2<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - charter with picking method<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - pick 1, burn 1 (by flipping a coin or some other selection method)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - after a year pick 2nd, burn the 2nd transition coordinator<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">alternatively<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - pick 2<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - charter with picking method<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - pick 1 for 2 year term, retain transition 2 for the rest of year<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> (gives total of 3 for the balance of the year)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"> - at the year mark pick a new one and burn the 2 transition <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">coordinators.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">or ...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">a.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">_______________________________________________<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt">governance mailing list<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoPlainText"><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt"><A href="https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance">https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> </O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">governance mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance">https://ssl.cpsr.org/mailman/listinfo/governance</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>