Hello Bill,<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/17/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">William Drake</b> <<a href="mailto:drake@hei.unige.ch">drake@hei.unige.ch</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>Discussion of possible public policy principles is not, in fact, ongoing in<br>other forums. </blockquote>
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<div>In fact it is. Every day on dozens of lists (and occasional f2f). My point in fwding the excerpt was precisely on point. The things discussed in open, archived, bottom-up ARE public policy issues. The fora exist and are making decisions that many in CS say they want to help make.
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">All that's been happening is that the US and EU are having<br>private bilaterals, and the US is telling everyone they can join and support
<br>GAC,</blockquote>
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<div>Ah, but gov't can participate in the bottom up process as well as GAC, just like you and me.</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> which neither the Europeans nor the developing countries appears to view<br>as an answer. Brazil was quite explicit on this yesterday. If it doesn't
<br>happen in the IGF, where do you think everyone excluded from the US-EU dialogue<br>will take it? </blockquote>
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<div>If they want to talk about critical resources, then they should take it to the appropriate existing forum.</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> My money's on the ITU. Do you prefer that to an open<br>multistakeholder discussion in a nonbiding forum?
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<div>Course not, they haven't a clue how to manage critical resources.</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I'm not clear what your point is with respect to the technical discussion you<br>forwarded. </blockquote>
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<div>See above.</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> Does that mean that governments<br>have no right to take an interest in public policy aspects, or that CS should
<br>not try to have a dialogue with them in order to encourage good policies and<br>discourage bad ones? Should we just tell them to sit down, be quiet, and eat<br>their Wheaties? </blockquote>
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<div>No we should tell them (capacity building again) that there are tables at which they can sit that are already doing some of these public policy issues, and that they are welcome. That they haven't (by and large) come to the table and are insisting on making one for themselves, means that the folk at the existing tables can and will ignore them if needed.
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<div>Hopes this enlightens!</div>
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<div>/McTim</div></div>