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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Izumi’s articulation of
non-national stakeholdership in the ccTLD – however, as I see form the
discussions on the list, appropriate language for this may be difficult to arrive
at – but some mention of this will be useful. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Parminder
[mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 04, 2005
8:16 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Avri Doria';
'ct-drafting-admin@wsis-cs.org'; 'Izumi AIZU'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wdrake@ictsd.ch</st1:PersonName>';
'bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de'; 'Governance'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [governance]
Finalizing the IG Section of the CS Statement on <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Tunis</st1:place></st1:State></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I too spoke only of national sovereignty
over ccTLDs and not governmental……………….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think Izumi’s formulations look a
good basis for agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Avri Doria
[mailto:avri@psg.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:12
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Parminder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wdrake@ictsd.ch</st1:PersonName>;
bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de; 'Governance'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance]
Finalizing the IG Section of the CS Statement on <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State
w:st="on">Tunis</st1:State></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am not totally comfortable with the paragraph. As I have pointed out
often on this list and other is that I beleive we make a mistake when we accept
the notion of Governments having sovereignty over ccTLD. Yes, I believe they
need to be operated in the countries' interests, but do not beleive that should
be automatically construed as translating to sovereignty.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It is certainly their right to assert such a claim, but I see no reason
for us to acquiesce to it, for in doing so, we help to make it so.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would prefer that we use language that indicates a county's responsibilities
as steward of a ccTLd to protect human rights, privacy rights and equality of
access.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 3 dec 2005, at 10.14, Parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Bill, thanks for rounding up the outcomes
from the discussions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/">One
last point. I think, the ccTLD point is important and the global CS needs to
take a position on how the enhanced role of governments recognized in the point
63 should be exercised. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The words contributed by Wolfgang, and the
additions provided by me almost constitutes clear language on this issue, and
unless anyone on this list objects to it, I will request Ralf to consider its
inclusion - exercising his judgment about its placement in the text on IG. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I quote from Bill's mail below the
discussions on this issue for others people's comments, if any. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>Wolfgang raised
a concern about the Tunis Agenda's para 63 on ccTLDs,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>stating, "We should say
very clear, that the recognition of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>sovereignty of countries /
governments over their ccTD space is embedded<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>into a framework of general
principles which includes all human rights,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>non-discrimination, equal
access etc. " He did not suggest language. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Parminder agreed, stating
that national sovereignty over ccTLDs "should be<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>exercised in a manner that
respects human rights as expressed in various<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>international treaties, and
through a process that takes in diverse inputs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>from the civil society at
the national level." Personally, I would favor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>expressing these concerns,
but as nobody has suggested language or said<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>where it should go in the IG
section. As time is running out, I doubt we'd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>manage to reach a
determination even if someone proposed text now, but if<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>someone wants to try, great.
Otherwise, I guess it'll have to be your<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>editorial judgment call as
to the addition of a sentence or two on this.>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org [<a
href="mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org">mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org</a>]
On Behalf Of William Drake<br>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:20 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de">bendrath@zedat.fu-berlin.de</a><br>
Cc: Governance<br>
Subject: [governance] Finalizing the IG Section of the CS Statement on <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Tunis</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><ST1:STATE u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"></ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE>Hi
Ralf, (and all)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I guess time is running out to make changes
to the IG section of the CS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>statement. The last I heard you wanted to
finalize Sunday afternoon and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>were urging the caucus to urgently get it
together on inputs. So, in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>accordance with my instructions from Lee,
let's see if we can track the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>debate and move toward closure for you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The last version of IG stuff I saw that you
had incorporated into the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>draft statement was from Wednesday the 30th.
It reflected suggestions I<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>made on the 28th and subsequent discussions
and modifications by the group<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in which multiple people weighed in and
nobody said, no I can't accept<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>this. In the absence of other, more effective
procedures it seemed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>reasonable to treat that text as agreed.
Since that time, to my knowledge<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>there have been a couple of additional
suggestions that have been<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>variously (hi Avri;-) supported, so
presumably the same 'nobody objected'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>principle would apply. Some other points are
still very much in the air.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>1. I suggested on Wed. 30th that IG be
included in your first page<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>listing of CS objectives going into the <ST1:STATE u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Tunis</ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE></st1:State></st1:place>
phase, since affecting the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>IG process and decisions were in fact main
objectives, certainly equal to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the others listed, to which a lot of people
devoted a lot of energy, with<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>some success. The language I suggested was:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"*Agreement on a substantively broad and
procedurally inclusive approach to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Internet governance, the reform of existing governance
mechanisms in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>accordance with the <ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Geneva</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:City></st1:place>
principles, and the creation of a new mechanism<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>or forum to promote multistakeholder
dialogue, analysis, trend monitoring,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and capacity building in the field of
Internet governance."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>According to the list archives, replies were
received from Jeanette, Avri,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Vittorio, Adam, Izumi, Wolfgang, Jacky,
Parminder, and Lee. Nobody<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>objected to this suggestion, although
Jeanette expressed concern that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>other caucuses might want to add additional
objectives, which in my view<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>anyway is a separate matter and wouldn't be a
function of one sentence on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>IG. In any event, since the argument for
including this is clear, the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>arguments against would be counterfactual,
and a number of folks haven't<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>objected on its inclusion or substance, can
we please treat this as<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>agreed? I think it would be utterly bizarre
not to mention IG in key<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>objectives, and that other stakeholders and
press would be perplexed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>2. I also suggested a change on the IG piece
for the going forward<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>section on page 10:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"Element two: Involvement in the
Internet Governance Forum<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The CS Internet Governance Caucus will
actively participate in and support<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the work of the IGF, and is exploring ways to
enhance its working methods<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and engagement with relevant stakeholders,
especially the research<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>community, to these ends. In addition,
discussions are under way to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>create a new working group that will make
recommendations on the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>modalities of the IGF."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Here things are more messy. The folks
mentioned above didn't disagree<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>with the desirability of tweaking this
passage or with the first sentence,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>but on the second pertaining to the WG
concept, various ideas were<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>expressed without reaching a clear
conclusion. Jeanette thought we should<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>not limit the WG sentence to modalities, and
should hence just say that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the caucus will "create a working group
that will make recommendations on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>relevant aspects concerning the IGF."
Avri said she's fine with either<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>formulation. Vittorio said "we have to be
very clear on whether we expect<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>this to be the only or at least the
recommended place for CS groups that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>want to discuss about the forum," but
did not suggest language that would<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>bring this clarity. Jeanette replied,
"Since we never speak for civil<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>society as such but only for a specific
working group or caucus, I don't<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>understand what exactly it is you try to
prevent or achieve." Adam said<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"Of course other caucuses and working
groups will be interested in the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>forum. And the Internet governance caucus may
continue as is, it might<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>evolve into a new working group, or a new
working group might emerge<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>separately. So why not refer to civil society
and not mention the caucus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>or any new working group?," but did not
suggest text. Lee said "yay" for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the original suggestion, Wolfgang said of
course the WG is open to all and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>should cover both modalities and substance,
Izumi agreed it is open to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>all, and Jacky asked whether "modalities
and substance could be separated<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>into two groups?"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>That is where we left it. It's not a clear
picture on the WG sentence, but<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the first seems unproblematic. Here are two
options Ralf, and in the event<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>you don't get more input, I guess you could
just use your judgment?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>A. "Element two: Involvement in the
Internet Governance Forum<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The CS Internet Governance Caucus will
actively participate in and support<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the work of the IGF, and is exploring ways to
enhance its working methods<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and engagement with relevant stakeholders,
especially the research<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>community, to these ends." Full stop.
Don't say anything about a WG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>since its form and function are not agreed
yet, and any subsequent<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>decision to create one would not be
inconsistent with the statement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>B. "Element two: Involvement in the
Internet Governance Forum<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The CS Internet Governance Caucus will
actively participate in and support<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the work of the IGF, and is exploring ways to
enhance its working methods<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and engagement with relevant stakeholders,
especially the research<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>community, to these ends. In addition, the
caucus is considering the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>creation of a new working group that will
make recommendations on the IGF,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and other civil society caucuses and working
groups will develop ideas for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and participate in the IGF as well."
This second sentence would seem to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>capture the various views expressed without
committing us to any<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>particular configuration, more or less, or
you could tweak, whatever.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>3. Izumi suggested that the first sentence of
the section should read,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"Civil society is pleased with the
decision to create an Internet<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Governance Forum (IGF) for multistakeholder
dialogue, which it has<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>advocated since 2003." The
multistakeholder clause would be new. Nobody<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>has objected, the case it straightforward,
hopefully you can insert this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>4. Wolfgang raised a concern about the Tunis
Agenda's para 63 on ccTLDs,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>stating, "We should say very clear, that
the recognition of the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>sovereignty of countries / governments over
their ccTD space is embedded<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>into a framework of general principles which
includes all human rights,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>non-discrimination, equal access etc. "
He did not suggest language. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Parminder agreed, stating that national
sovereignty over ccTLDs "should be<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>exercised in a manner that respects human
rights as expressed in various<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>international treaties, and through a process
that takes in diverse inputs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>from the civil society at the national
level." Personally, I would favor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>expressing these concerns, but as nobody has
suggested language or said<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>where it should go in the IG section. As time
is running out, I doubt we'd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>manage to reach a determination even if someone
proposed text now, but if<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>someone wants to try, great. Otherwise, I
guess it'll have to be your<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>editorial judgment call as to the addition of
a sentence or two on this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>5. A number of people have expressed various
concerns about the wording<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>of the last paragraph on public education.
While the general idea is easy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>to support, there were some critical comments
on the formulation too. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>There was not enough back and forth on
language to see a resolution, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>the situation is complicated by the fact that
Divina is not on the caucus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>list. Here I would repeat my Dec. 1
suggestion which seems like a path of<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>least resistance, but do what seems right.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Lastly, in light of things said in the
thread concerning the public<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> awareness paragraph, I would suggest
that this should be moved to the four<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> para section on Education and Research,
which I presume Divina played a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> role in shaping. Clustering like points
and having thematic sections that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> come from people involved in the
respective caucuses would in no way<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> constitute a downgrading of this
important concern.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Finally, on the global public goods thread,
there's been some lengthy list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and private dialogue, strong views on both
sides, no agreement, so<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>whatever.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Basta. Hope this helps you finalization process,
and that some other<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>folks will weigh in on the above points in a
manner that facilitates your<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>task. Thanks again for coordinating all this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>*******************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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href="mailto:wdrake@ictsd.ch">wdrake@ictsd.ch</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Social Responsibility <a
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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leading<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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