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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Izumi wrote: <br>
</span></font>I have some problem of putting:<br>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>"<font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>how
core IG functions like DNS management, IP address allocation
etc are carried out and their linkages with broader IG issues like
cyber-crime, Intellectual Property Rights, eCommerce, e-government, human
rights and promoting development"<br>
<br>
</span></font>While I do not deny that there are certain linkages between
DNS/IP allocation and<br>
cyber-crime, IPR etc, these resource management is not the only or the biggest<br>
factors of these policy issues. So using the word "linkage" is
troublesome to me,<br>
it gives an impression that these resource management is the core issue of<br>
cyber crime etc.<br>
<br>
<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think that the word ‘linkage’
signifies that these resource management and allied issues are <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>core</span></b> issues in cyber-crime (I do not
believe they are). It only means that there are some important linkages here. I
think, the issue goes back to the wider issues which we have discussed a few
times on the list about the linkages between the ‘narrower’ and ‘broader’ IG
functions/issues. And this is again an issue of ‘principle’ that we need to
agree or dis-agree upon. And this ‘principle’ is at the bottom of many IG
related discussions. But if the present formulation still does look like it
implies these issues are core issues in cyber crime etc – you may think of
replacing <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘ …and their linkages with….’ <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>with a more tentative <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘…… what linkages these functions have
with….’ . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And so the line will now read<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>"how core IG functions
like DNS management, IP address allocation etc are carried out and what
linkages these function have with broader IG issues like cyber-crime, Intellectual
Property Rights, eCommerce, e-government, human rights and promoting
development"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="MS PGothic"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
also have problem in understanding why we need to state:<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>"and various CS groups and other social actors
in specific"<br>
<br>
</span></font>I am not against this per se, but I cannot understand why we need
that and appreciate if you could explain.<br>
<br>
I also have some doubt on the original text:<br>
<font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"it
is necessary for people who use the Internet understand how the DNS is
functioning..."<br>
<br>
</span></font>Do ordinary people who use the Internet really need to understand
how DNS works?<br>
I am not so sure. The intention of this para is, to me, that people who care
about<br>
the public policy issues of the Internet who will participate the IGF process
should have basic understanding of these functions, be they CS or government or
others.<br>
If that is the intention, I like to see it in clear language.<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is precisely because the original text "it
is necessary for people who use the Internet understand how the DNS is
functioning..." looked problematic, I made it more general about public
awareness, and added that specific social advocacy/policy actors need to be
more aware. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That is why the phrase
-- </span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>"and various CS groups
and other social actors in specific"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can try and improve it to read<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>To ensure that
development of the Internet and its governance takes place in public interest,
it is important for people in general, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>and
more specifically, various CS groups and other social actors interested in
policy and advocacy,</span></b> to understand better how core IG functions –
like DNS management, IP address allocation etc – are carried out and <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>what linkages these functions have</span></b> with
broader IG issues like cyber-crime, Intellectual Property Rights, eCommerce,
e-government, human rights and promoting development. The responsibility of
creating such awareness should be shared by everyone, including those at
present involved in the governance and development of the Internet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As I said earlier I did not contribute the
original text, but I am trying to read the intentions of the original
contributors and suggesting text – since I strongly agree with the meaning I
read in it – which is that IG function are important public policy issues, and the
way they are carried out impact our lives in many direct and indirect ways. And
that this impact is going to increase exponentially – and therefore it is
important that there is greater public awareness of these issues – and the explicit
and implicit connections that they have to different areas of policy that
interest all of us. I think such a view is at the very foundation of what we
all are trying to do here – in the IG caucus, and IG advocacies outside IG
caucus. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="MS PGothic"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks,
and sorry for the last-minute intervention, but I really appreciate your
efforts.<br>
<br>
izumi<br>
<br>
At 22:15 05/11/30 +0530, Parminder wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'> <br>
<br>
On the para 6 of Bill's draft....<br>
<br>
To ensure that Internet governance and development take place in the public
interest, it is necessary for people who use the Internet understand how the
DNS is functioning, how IP addresses are allocated, what basic legal
instruments exist in fields like cyber-crime, Intellectual Property Rights,
eCommerce, e-government, and human rights.<br>
Therefore the ongoing creation of public awareness is the responsibility
of everyone involved in the governance and development of the Internet and
emerging information and communication platforms.<br>
<br>
and Bill</span></font><font size=2><span lang=JA style='font-size:10.0pt'>痴</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
discomfort with it</span></font><font size=2><span lang=JA style='font-size:
10.0pt'>・瘢雹</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>.<br>
<br>
>>> I still think para 6 is pretty orthogonal to the<br>
issues on the table and, by extension, all the position statements we've<br>
made (can imagine government people asking, what's your point here), and<br>
that it would be better moved to a section on info society generally, but<br>
whatever.>>><br>
<br>
It is my understanding that the intention of the drafters is to make the
connections between what is generally seen as core IG functions, and various
issues that people see as direclty connected to their lives. Creating greater
public awareness </span></font><font size=2><span lang=JA style='font-size:
10.0pt'>・瘢雹</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>or at least more widespread awareness among
various actors - of these connections will draw all constituencies and
interests in IG debates which can ensure that development of Internet and its
governance takes place in public interest.<br>
<br>
I think that this is an important issue for the CS to stand for and advocate.<br>
<br>
However, I see scope for making the issues cleaer in the above text, and
propose the following langauge.<br>
<br>
<br>
To ensure that development of the Internet and its governance takes place in
public interest, it is important for people in general, and various CS groups
and other social actors in specific, to understand better how core IG functions
</span></font><font size=2><span lang=JA style='font-size:10.0pt'>・瘢雹</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>like
DNS management, IP address allocation etc </span></font><font size=2><span
lang=JA style='font-size:10.0pt'>・瘢雹</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>are carried out and their
linkages with broader IG issues like cyber-crime, Intellectual Property Rights,
eCommerce, e-government, human rights and promoting development. The
responsibility of creating such awareness should be shared by everyone,
including those at present involved in the governance and development of the
Internet. <br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org [<a
href="mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org" eudora=autourl>
mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org</a>] On Behalf Of William Drake<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:42 PM<br>
To: Governance <br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Civil Society Declaration on Internet Governance
[revised text]<br>
<br>
Good morning Ralph,<br>
<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org<br>
> [<a href="mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org" eudora=autourl>
mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org</a>]On Behalf Of Ralf Bendrath<br>
<br>
> --> I will check back later tonight if there is an agreement on the IG<br>
> part. Would be glad if I can just copy&paste and replace the text
below.<br>
<br>
As you know, the text has evolved and a bunch of people have weighed in,<br>
so please don't use the old text you copyedited, which the caucus never<br>
discussed and agreed. We of course don't have clear and fixed procedures<br>
in place to reach closure, but perhaps once the text seems stable Adam or<br>
Jeanette can issue a 'last call' for objections from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Vancouver</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
<br>
> --> We also need a para from this caucus for the last part "IV.
Where to<br>
> go from here </span></font><font size=2><span lang=JA style='font-size:
10.0pt'>・瘢雹</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>our <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tunis</st1:place></st1:State>
commitment":<br>
> <br>
> "Element two:<br>
> How CS is going to structure itself to engage with the IG forum [wait for<br>
> outcome of IG caucus meeting </span></font><font size=2><span lang=JA
style='font-size:10.0pt'>・瘢雹</span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>whether a specific WG would
be setup to<br>
> make recommendations on the modalities of functioning of the<br>
> future IG forum]"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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