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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Ralf:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I agree there are no easy answer here. And the notion of legitimacy
that you offer - of representation and of deliberation are fine, except that
the legitimacy of 'deliberation' can extend to the many functions that CS
normally performs but not to actual decisions on public policy which affect the
lives of people in many ways. However the 'deliberation' function has many ways
of exercising 'soft power' or power by influence on public policy. And we all
know of the many ways there are of doing that. And we need to find ways to use
this soft power more efficiently. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>But we cannot see legitimacy of 'deliberation' replacing that of 'representation'
though necessarily there should be a good and effective interface between two. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I also believe that we need not remain tethered to the past - and the
context and the opportunity of an emerging IS should be used to evolve more
fair and equitable forms of governance. So your suggestion of proposing IG
systems that are "mix between the intergovernmental system of the UN and
the multi-stakeholder approach of WGIG" is quite useful. Indeed, IG forum with
a good interface with political oversight function as well as with technical and
resource allocation function is a good start. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>But we can make this progression only if<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>we
proceed from known ‘representation’ based governance systems and
improve systems of its accountability to its constituents – and of course
the CS has a big role here. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>the
CS appreciates the political nature of issues involved, and works with that sensitivity
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>As for how ICANN works at present, please see papers by IG project on
how it has blatantly served US government’s public policy interests and
that of the corporate world, and see recent paper by Hans Klein on how ICANN
was often captured by private corporates. We have seen how ineffective its
processes of selection of its members is – even in terms of representation
of what it calls the ‘internet community’ And as I keep repeating
that ICANN’s conception of who all are to be considered the stakeholders
in IG (Internet user community) is not at all acceptable – every single person
in the world is a stakeholder here. Everyone is impacted by Internet today –
directly or indirectly, in the present or potentially. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>And all these issues are not small issues that we disregard them in
making our position for future IG regime - putting faith in some reformed
ICANN which is expected to emerge - and keep rooting for ICANN to hold all IG
related public policy functions – which are going to become more and more
important as IS develops. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>And to your question – what exactly I am suggesting, I have following
to say…….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I am only suggesting what the above referred (IG project, and Hans
Klein) academic papers suggest. To establish the rule of law – to begin a
process of framework convention / treaty to develop the institutional framework
for IG. And have a very great input of CS into this process, so that we could
try and get some new age governance system which are representative but also
open in all other means. It wont be easy, but I will like to see the context of
new institutional systems for IG to be a path-breaker for governance systems
in other areas like trade, IPR, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>As for ICANN it can stay on as it is (more reformed the better) for resource
allocation and technical functions within the needed political oversight. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>My organization, IT for Change, has submitted this position on behalf
of the Gender Caucus to WSIS process in response to the WGIG report. And a
similar position is now being debated inside GC and is already endorsed by IT
for Change and FEMNET of Africa and submitted to some governments. The parts on
oversight are on the following lines.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Internet is a global
resource and an infrastructure to be shared and owned equally by all. The <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> must give up
its pre-eminent position in IG oversight. This role must be taken up by an
inter-governmental body. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
Since the nature and challenges of IG are of an entirely new kind, this
oversight body should be a new body created for this purpose. This IG public
policy and oversight body must be anchored in the UN. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
This oversight body should have strong interface and processes of interaction
with the ‘forum’ – which will act as an advisory body for it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
There should be no interference in the day to day functioning of the IG,
managed by bodies doing the technical management. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
The oversight interventions will not be ad-hoc and will be based on clearly
laid out principles and rules, with complete transparency and accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
To evolve such principles and rules of developing public policy and making
oversight interventions, a treaty/ convention process must be mandated. The
forum should have an important role in this process. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
Freedom of expression, privacy, and such basic human rights should form a part
of the framework for making IG public policy and oversight. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
Commercial issues implicated in the use of Internet have to be balanced with
issues of securing social justice and equality, on the principle that Internet
is first of all a shared resource that belongs to everyone equitably, and which
should serve the greatest public interest. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>·
A proper process of transition from the present structure that preserves the
important and necessary elements of the present IG regime should be put in
place. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Parminder <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org
[mailto:governance-bounces@lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Ralf Bendrath<br>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:32 PM<br>
To: WSIS Internet Governance Caucus<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] present draft doesnt represent CS position</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> The position that is being proposed is that the public<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> policy functions now with the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> government be taken from it, and
then <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> ICANN becomes the global public policy making body for all
functions of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> IG without any external political oversight. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Good point, and thanks for pushing this debate, Parminder.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>(...)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> There seems to be some romanticism in some parts of the CS that
real <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> global governance decisions should actually be taken by bodies
where <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> civil society representatives sit as voting members. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>It is not romanticism, it is the the way ICANN currently works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Governments in the GAC are only advising. (Leaving aside the oversight
of<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>the USG, but we want to get rid of that one anyway.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> This is absurd.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Don't be too harsh here, see below.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> CS has to have greater and greater interfaces with global (and national)
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> governance systems in a way that it can advise, input proposals,
extract <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> accountablity etc, but to think that we should actually take up
decision <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> making responsibilities is politically naļve, and raises questions
about <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> our legitimacy.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>This is exactly the 1 Million Euro question: What is legitimate?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- The UN system, where the Chinese government representing 1.5 billion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>people has as many votes as <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Iceland</st1:place></st1:country-region> with 300,000?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- The UN system, where many governments are not representing anyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>because they never got properly elected?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- A private system, where in the end, the board can do as it likes?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- A multistakeholder system, where nobody knows who can be held<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>accountable in the end?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- A direct global election system, as ICANN tried in 2000?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- what else?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>There are basically two notions of legitimacy here. One is based on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>representation (more or less the intergovernmental model), and here we
can<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>not win, of course. The other one is based on deliberation, where the
open<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>exchange of arguments counts, and this is where we do much better than
any<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>government. So what is absurd and what not is depending on the
perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>As Bertrand, Wolfgang and others have pointed out many times, WSIS and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>especially the IG issue offer a great chance to come up with a new
global<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>governance model that goes beyond the system of nation-states. I of
course<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>have no answer here, but I think at least oversight should be done in a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>mix between the intergovernmental system of the UN and the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>multistakeholder approach of WGIG. I know this is not enough, but it
gives<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>a general idea.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>A question in return: What exactly are you suggesting? (Maybe I've
missed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>it if you have answered this already)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Best, Ralf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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