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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Avri, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>First of all I thank you for taking a more
lenient view of my email than Jeannette did.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I quite appreciate the reasons for
your and other members’ choice to get involved with ICANN, most of which
I know volunteer a good amount of time on a social issue/activity they believe
in. But I think it is not a very presumptuous assessment to make that when some
people are important members of an organization there is a certain amount of
consistency in their views – or as I said – their viewpoints are on
within a given range of opinions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since you have stated your experience with
WSIS and ICANN, I consider it useful to state mine as well, in order to make my
point. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Around June this year, some friends from
ICANN, also in the IG caucus, suggested to me to consider nomination to ALAC. Around
this time I had began to realize that IG has important global governance implications,
so I did toy with the idea. And I did some research about ICANN, IG etc. And
while I appreciated all the good work ICANN does, I found the political positions
stated by ICANN on IG, including in the context of discussions at WSIS, entirely
un-acceptable from the point of view of how I looked at things. So I chose not
to go ahead with nomination process. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So it is normal for me to expect that
those who do join ICANN, even with view of reforming it, have some general agreement
with the position of ICANN (at a political level). (There is a small possibility
though that someone actually joins for complete subversion of political views
of ICANN from within). So it was not so unfair on my part to take the view that
those actually associated with ICANN generally represent political views on IG
within a narrow range. And I had the confirmation from the fact that I have
studied some of these views, statements, discussions etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course these people have the right to
have this view, in which they believe, and are volunteering time to advocate
it. However, I cannot be faulted in pointing out that there has been a lack of much
diversity of political views on IG among active members of the caucus,
especially as I pointed out – through important and relevant examples –
when vastly different views dominate the CS that have been involved more traditionally
in development issues but may not be at WSIS. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And you got me wrong if you think I had exclusionary
designs <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>>>I do hope we don't down that exclusionary route, however, as
once we start excluding one type of person we might get carried away with the
number of people we want to exclude.>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>I begun my email by
saying that I do not believe in putting stringent rules</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> </span></font><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>for participation and representation
in IG caucus. I don’t understand why my point for more inclusion is being
interpreted as asking for exclusion. I was only seeking more diversity of view…..
and insisting that if we do not get it readily, though we know the view exists
out there, we need to try and reach out. And in this connection I can say that
my organization in its WSIS and Information Society advocacy has always tried
to reach out to those sections of development community in the South which has
not engaged with these debates till now. We have held WSIS seminars where we insisted
to invite mostly those who are important development actors but hitherto had been
reluctant to engage in WSIS and IS debates. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>I was trying to seek
similar inclusion here, and for this purpose it was important for me to comment
on a certain narrowness of the range of ‘dominant’ positions in the
IG caucus, especially when I have strong reasons to believe that it does not represent
the views of much of the global civil society – certainly, the civil
society from the South. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>Regards <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333399" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>Parminder </span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Avri Doria
[mailto:avri@psg.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 06, 2005
9:31 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Parminder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'WSIS Internet Governance
Caucus'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Present
draft does not consider 'real oversight options'</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I want to respond to this and offer, perhaps, a second point of view.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 6 nov 2005, at 03.13, Parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'><span style='border-spacing: 0px 0px;text-align:auto;-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none;
-apple-text-size-adjust: auto;orphans: 2;widows: 2;word-spacing:0px'>It is more
surprising because WGIG was a more of a deliberating body and is an expired
body, while<O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'> </O:P></span></font></span><font size=1
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'>(1) ICANN is a major player in the present IG and of course an
interested party in the IG negotiations<O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'>(2) ICANN on various points has stated its position on WSIS IG
negotiations.<O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'> <O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'>Hence one can expect anyone who is closely associated with ICANN
to move only within a given spectrum of positions on IG.<O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; "><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'> </O:P></span></font></span><font size=1
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'> So, it makes me really wonder why association with ICANN did
not even figure in this discussion on caucus representative-ness. I think it is
because many take an ICANN or ICANN-like position, by default, as a CS position
on IG. This is very problematic. I want to insist that this is a narrow view,
which comes from keeping the discussions within a charmed circle. It
doesn’t help to say … ‘well the processes are open, why do
not other people with different viewpoints participate’...</span></font></span><font
size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think once has to take a look at why people are involved with
ICANN. Most of them have becomes involved since the start of the WSIS
project. Speaking for myself, I am interested in bringing CS IG input
into ICANN as opposed to the other way around. Before WSIS/WGIG, while I
knew ICANN was there, I never had an interest in getting involved. On
seeing how much there was to be done, and on coming to a personal conclusion
that one needs to work both from the inside and the outside, I decided to get
involved.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>True I have to acknowledge that being invovled with ICANN does color my
viewpoint as I have to understand the viewpoint of others involved in ICANN,
but I do not believe it pollutes it or that it removes those who do engage
with ICANN from CS. And I think you may some some in ICANN
who agree with the structure of your argument as they believe that no one
involved in WSIS CS can be trusted in ICANN as we are suspected of having anti
ICANN views that are dangerous to ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>At lot of discussion has gone done, in CS, in WSIS /WGIG about
replacing ICANN. The consensus, the global consensus, seems to be that
this will not happen, at least not in the near term. that leave us with
the option of working to change ICANN or disengaging. I consider both
options valid, if one is opposed to ICANN in its totality, they should oppose
it. but if one believes that changes can be made and that those
changes could improve things for transparency, openness, multistakeholderism
and for internet users globally, then it makes sense to be engaged in both CS
IG and ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Of course, if there is rough consensus in the IGC that membership
in some other organization disqualifies one from participation, then that
will be another story. I do hope we don't down that exclusionary route,
however, as once we start excluding one type of person we might get carried
away with the number of people we want to exclude.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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