[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects

Wed Jul 17 12:29:34 EDT 2019

Looks good to me.

On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 3:09 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ?
>
> *CS Meeting Agenda *
>
> 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC)
> 2. Charter review discussion
> 3. IGC New Website
> 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections
> 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event
> 6. AOB
>
> Is there any other subject our members wish to add ?
>
> Best,
> Bruna Santos
>
> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit :
>
>> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time.
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Response is inline;
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right.
>>>> This is noted.
>>>>
>>>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no
>>>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you
>>>> calling coordinators incompetent?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year
>>> for January's elections.
>>>
>>> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind
>>> to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless".
>>>
>>> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of
>>> people personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key
>>> leadership issue.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because
>>>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was
>>>> interested in elections at some point.
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of
>>> interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018.
>>>
>>> And you should thank those who
>>>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the
>>>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were
>>>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves
>>>> for that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it
>>> is the leadership that needs revival.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything
>>>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to
>>>> thank me for my service :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG
>>> activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your
>>> service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take
>>> responsibility for not calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders
>>> must be able to take responsibility.
>>>
>>> But this is not the point here as I don't
>>>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful
>>>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else
>>>> who provided help.
>>>>
>>>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen!
>>>
>>> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also
>>> means having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward.
>>>
>>> I look
>>>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have
>>>> voting rights, as per the charter.
>>>>
>>>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>> Arsene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
>>>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators.
>>>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by
>>>> > those that participate in last held elections.
>>>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by
>>>> virtue
>>>> > of Charter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Get on with the elections!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
>>>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> What a load of rubbish!
>>>> >> The elections need to take place asap.
>>>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Get it together!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>> >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Dear all,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone
>>>> is
>>>> >>> ok
>>>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is
>>>> >>> involved
>>>> >>> in such a group if she can be.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Best
>>>> >>> Sheetal.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali <
>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle
>>>> of an
>>>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should
>>>> aim
>>>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that
>>>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we
>>>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big
>>>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes
>>>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?)
>>>> should be
>>>> >>>> taken by Berlin?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done
>>>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been
>>>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official
>>>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is
>>>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has
>>>> been
>>>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two
>>>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please
>>>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I hope this helps.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>> Arsene
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
>>>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:
>>>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you
>>>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will
>>>> go
>>>> >>>> well
>>>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think
>>>> in the
>>>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a
>>>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would
>>>> like to
>>>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group
>>>> taking
>>>> >>>> it
>>>> >>>> > forward.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important
>>>> that it
>>>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and
>>>> >>>> > that
>>>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > Ian Peter
>>>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------
>>>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>;
>>>> "Salanieta T.
>>>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
>>>> "Parminder"
>>>> >>>> > <parminder at itforchange.net>; "governance"
>>>> >>>> > <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF
>>>> Day
>>>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the
>>>> last
>>>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co
>>>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new
>>>> >>>> >> charter
>>>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was
>>>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you
>>>> are.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next
>>>> >>>> >> steps.
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>Regards,
>>>> >>>> >>Arsene
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <
>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>:
>>>> >>>> >>>  Dear all,
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for
>>>> Bestbits,
>>>> >>>> >>> we
>>>> >>>> >>> have
>>>> >>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC
>>>> conversations
>>>> >>>> need to
>>>> >>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure
>>>> has
>>>> >>>> been
>>>> >>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on
>>>> IGC
>>>> >>>> >>> but
>>>> >>>> >>> likely
>>>> >>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to
>>>> >>>> >>> join
>>>> >>>> to
>>>> >>>> >>> join
>>>> >>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The
>>>> call
>>>> >>>> >>> to
>>>> >>>> >>> agree
>>>> >>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is
>>>> going to
>>>> >>>> >>> be
>>>> >>>> >>> w/c
>>>> >>>> >>>  August 5.
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>  Best
>>>> >>>> >>>  Sheetal
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>>> >>>> >>>  <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>> >>>> >>>  wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Bruna,
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter -
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards
>>>> >>>> >>>> getting
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> >>>>  IGC
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January)
>>>> underway? On
>>>> >>>> June
>>>> >>>> >>>> 26
>>>> >>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and
>>>> >>>> >>>> would
>>>> >>>> >>>> get
>>>> >>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Ian Peter
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
>>>> >>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>>> >>>> >>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in,
>>>> IGF
>>>> >>>> Day
>>>> >>>> >>>> zero
>>>> >>>> >>>>  event and other subjects
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder.
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,
>>>> >>>> >>>> <parminder at itforchange.net
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>>>  wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all!
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you
>>>> plan
>>>> >>>> >>>>> it...
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and
>>>> >>>> >>>>> please
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  ensure
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based
>>>> discussions
>>>> >>>> >>>>> can
>>>> >>>> be
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  done
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says
>>>> that the
>>>> >>>> main
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  and
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list,
>>>> which I
>>>> >>>> >>>>> request
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  parminder
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via
>>>> governance
>>>> >>>> Mailing
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  List) wrote:
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some
>>>> discussions
>>>> >>>> around
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <rightscon at accessnow.org>, some
>>>> of us
>>>> >>>> >>>>> convened
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and
>>>> that
>>>> >>>> also
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion,
>>>> as
>>>> >>>> well as
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the
>>>> BestBits
>>>> >>>> >>>>> list
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  <
>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to
>>>> discuss our
>>>> >>>> next
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in
>>>> November.
>>>> >>>> >>>>> Another
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC
>>>> >>>> co-coordinators
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related
>>>> subjects,
>>>> >>>> >>>>> there
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  is
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as
>>>> well
>>>> >>>> >>>>> as
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  proper
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for
>>>> members to
>>>> >>>> join
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  IGC.
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>> created
>>>> >>>> this
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their
>>>> availability
>>>> >>>> for
>>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Best Regards,
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  --
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>> >>>> >>>>>  @boomartins
>>>> >>>> >>>>>
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>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> >>>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> >>>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>--
>>>> >>>> >>------------------------
>>>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>> >>>> >><http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
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>>>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>>> >>>> >><
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>>> >>>> >><https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN
>>>> IGF MAG
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>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> ------------------------
>>>> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>> >>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
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>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>>> ------------------------
>>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
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>>>> <
>>>>
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>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>>
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>
> --
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
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