[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects

Wed Jul 17 09:22:42 EDT 2019

Response is inline;

On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right.
> This is noted.
>
> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no
> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you
> calling coordinators incompetent?
>

1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year
for January's elections.

2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to
blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless".

I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people
personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership
issue.

>
> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because
> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was
> interested in elections at some point.

Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of
interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018.

And you should thank those who
> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the
> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were
> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves
> for that.
>

The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it is
the leadership that needs revival.

>
> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything
> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to
> thank me for my service :)

Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities
not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do
us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not
calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take
responsibility.

But this is not the point here as I don't
> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful
> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else
> who provided help.
>
> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen!

The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means
having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward.

I look
> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have
> voting rights, as per the charter.
>
> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more.
>

Regards,
> Arsene
>
>
> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators.
> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by
> > those that participate in last held elections.
> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by
> virtue
> > of Charter.
> >
> > Get on with the elections!
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What a load of rubbish!
> >> The elections need to take place asap.
> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously.
> >>
> >>
> >> Get it together!
> >>
> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is
> >>> ok
> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is
> >>> involved
> >>> in such a group if she can be.
> >>>
> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much
> appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>> Sheetal.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
> >>>>
> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an
> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim
> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that
> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we
> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big
> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes
> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be
> >>>> taken by Berlin?
> >>>>
> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done
> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been
> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official
> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is
> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been
> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two
> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months?
> >>>>
> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please
> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member.
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Arsene
> >>>>
> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:
> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you
> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go
> >>>> well
> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in
> the
> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a
> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like
> to
> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the
> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group
> taking
> >>>> it
> >>>> > forward.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that
> it
> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and
> >>>> > that
> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Ian Peter
> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------
> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>; "Salanieta
> T.
> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
> "Parminder"
> >>>> > <parminder at itforchange.net>; "governance"
> >>>> > <governance at lists.riseup.net
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day
> >>>> > zero event and other subjects
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the
> last
> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co
> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new
> >>>> >> charter
> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was
> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next
> >>>> >> steps.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Regards,
> >>>> >>Arsene
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>:
> >>>> >>>  Dear all,
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits,
> >>>> >>> we
> >>>> >>> have
> >>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations
> >>>> need to
> >>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has
> >>>> been
> >>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC
> >>>> >>> but
> >>>> >>> likely
> >>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to
> >>>> >>> join
> >>>> to
> >>>> >>> join
> >>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call
> >>>> >>> to
> >>>> >>> agree
> >>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to
> >>>> >>> be
> >>>> >>> w/c
> >>>> >>>  August 5.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>  Best
> >>>> >>>  Sheetal
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> >>>> >>>  <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> >>>> >>>  wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>>  Bruna,
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter -
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards
> >>>> >>>> getting
> >>>> the
> >>>> >>>>  IGC
> >>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On
> >>>> June
> >>>> >>>> 26
> >>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and
> >>>> >>>> would
> >>>> >>>> get
> >>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>  Ian Peter
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
> >>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> >>>> >>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
> >>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> >>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
> >>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF
> >>>> Day
> >>>> >>>> zero
> >>>> >>>>  event and other subjects
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,
> >>>> >>>> <parminder at itforchange.net
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all!
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you
> plan
> >>>> >>>>> it...
> >>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and
> >>>> >>>>> please
> >>>> >>>>>  ensure
> >>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions
> >>>> >>>>> can
> >>>> be
> >>>> >>>>>  done
> >>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that
> the
> >>>> main
> >>>> >>>>>  and
> >>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I
> >>>> >>>>> request
> >>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  parminder
> >>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
> >>>> Mailing
> >>>> >>>>>  List) wrote:
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members,
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions
> >>>> around
> >>>> >>>>>  the
> >>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <rightscon at accessnow.org>, some of
> us
> >>>> >>>>> convened
> >>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and
> that
> >>>> also
> >>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as
> >>>> well as
> >>>> >>>>>  the
> >>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits
> >>>> >>>>> list
> >>>> >>>>>  <http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html
> >.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss
> our
> >>>> next
> >>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in
> November.
> >>>> >>>>> Another
> >>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC
> >>>> co-coordinators
> >>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related
> subjects,
> >>>> >>>>> there
> >>>> >>>>>  is
> >>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well
> >>>> >>>>> as
> >>>> >>>>>  proper
> >>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members
> to
> >>>> join
> >>>> >>>>>  IGC.
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
> created
> >>>> this
> >>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their
> availability
> >>>> for
> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
> >>>> >>>>>  <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Best Regards,
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  --
> >>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
> >>>> >>>>>  @boomartins
> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>>>  ---
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> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>  --
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>--
> >>>> >>------------------------
> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> >>>> >><http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
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> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
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> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> >>>> >><
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
> >>>> >><https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF
> MAG
> >>>> >><https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> >>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
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> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> >>>> <
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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> >
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>
> --
> ------------------------
> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
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>
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>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
> >
>
> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
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