From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 1 15:44:26 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:44:26 -0700 Subject: [governance] Updates from NZ govt on Christchurch call/happening now Message-ID: all, As discussed at the last online meeting, we are organising monthly meeting to catch up on Christchurch Call implementation developments. Next Meeting Time 2 July 730am NZ time (1930 1 July UTC) Draft Agenda 1. Update and discussion with NZ govt 2. Coordination tools discussion 3. AOB A key agenda item for next weeks call will be NZ Govt ministry of foreign affairs and trade officials, who are coordinating implementation work on the Christchurch Call, will join to present some background update on work underway and to share and discuss with attendees plans for civil society engagement going forward. Additionally we will briefly discus coordination tools, for ongoing discussion, as some have raised that an email list may be better for ongoing collaboration and discussion. This meeting is open to all interested civil society, research and technical community organisations and members with an interest in the Christchurch Call and the issues of online terrorism and violent extremism. Meeting URL https://bluejeans.com/754859684?src=join_info Meeting ID 754 859 684 Want to dial in from a phone? Dial one of the following numbers: +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # Connecting from a room system? Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[image: livestream] Today *Thursday July 11 2019* the *Ghana Ministry of Communications * in collaboration with the *Internet Society Ghana Chapter *, is convening the *2019 Ghana IGF * at the Kofi Annan ICT Center in Accra under the theme “*Digital Communities: Roles and Responsibilities of Stakeholders for Sustainable Development*.” The Ministry of Communications, as the sector ministry responsible for information and communication technology (ICT), is committed to developing and improving Internet access, cost and therefore encourages all stakeholders to participate in the Forum. The event will be webcast live via the *Internet Society Livestream Channel 2 *. *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/ghanaigf * *PROGRAM: https://igf.org.gh/program/ (UTC+1)* *TWITTER: @igfghana #ghanaigf http://bit.ly/ghanaigf * *FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/ghanaigf/ * *Permalink* https://isoc.live/11205/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avri at doria.org Fri Jul 19 03:31:14 2019 From: avri at doria.org (avri@acm.org) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:31:14 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I never left and follow with continuing interest. I am willing to help whenever called upon to do so. AvriSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Arsène Tungali Date: 7/19/19 07:54 (GMT+01:00) To: Tapani Tarvainen Cc: governance at lists.riseup.net, avri at acm.org, Akinremi Peter Taiwo Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) Great move, i am sure at some point this small group will need to reach out to Avri Doria and Akinremi Peter for help. Throwing their names here (also cced) just in case they miss this communication!Sent from my iPhone> On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:33, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 06:34:24PM -0400, farzaneh badii (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote:>> >> My offer still stands.>> >> As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get to>> work. for example we could  convene a small group that ran the website in>> the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life.>> >> I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything>> is there to go live.> > This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Let's get on with it.> > -- > Tapani Tarvainen> ---> To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 03:03:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Shreedeep Rayamajhi (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:48:14 +0545 Subject: [governance] IGC Membership [Restoring Archives and other related matters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear salanieta, This really great, election is the best way and it represents democratic values which is acceptable to all. Very very happy to see the IGC process moving towards right direction. Regards Shreedeep On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:35 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > > 1. I remember that at one stage, the membership list was between 80 to > 100 or even more. > 2. Traditionally, the list of members have always been published > including those who had voted in previous elections. > 3. Obviously, this information will have to be pieced from Archives. > 4. It worried me that Bruna had mentioned that in her mind if there > were elections there would only be 5 people voting and I assume she based > that on the number of people she saw commenting. > 5. There are many who lurk, merely observe and are not engaged unless > something interests them or catches their attention to participate. > 6. To this end the challenge for IGC Leadership is to ensure that > every member is engaged. > 7. I would like to ask Bruna to start working on getting the list of > members and identify those that voted in the last elections. > 8. This may already exist in the Archives. > 9. Also information on how to subscribe to the IGC and commit to > following its charter. > 10. Parminder had highlighted the cooling period between when one > joins and when one participates. > 11. If anyone has any questions or issues about membership, suggest > they raise it here. > 12. When the website goes up, it will obviously be easier to subscribe > individually. > > Best Wishes > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 07:53:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> Message-ID: <1641562906.4239901.1563537198692@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Akinremi Peter, Thanks for your message. Jeremy or Co-ordinators may confirm you to whom the data-backup may be shared. However, can you share the the following information:    Do you also have backup of the website?Can you please let me know the size of the backup (archived)? We need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks & Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -- | | Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi | --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 29278 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 08:02:28 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:02:28 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Membership [Restoring Archives and other related matters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, According to Akinremi's email in another thread, there are 665 persons subscribed to the IGC which sounds correct to me. As the website restoration team gather and consolidate content, things will be more visible. Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 8:13 am Chaitanya Dhareshwar, wrote: > Thanks Sala. I agree on point #5, personally, I've been a lurker since > 2014-sometime but try to read as many of the messages as possible (across > the fora that I participate in). > > I am looking forward to #9 - how to continue my participation (albeit > passive). > > I'm writing mainly to address point #4 - because a decrease in the > coordinator's confidence in the list can undermine the integrity & life of > the list... Bruna, it's worth noting that many valuable participants may > not remain consistently active, but are still participants who greatly > value the list and what it means to be a part of it. > > Best regards, > Chaitanya > > On Fri 19 Jul, 2019, 12:20 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> >> 1. I remember that at one stage, the membership list was between 80 >> to 100 or even more. >> 2. Traditionally, the list of members have always been published >> including those who had voted in previous elections. >> 3. Obviously, this information will have to be pieced from Archives. >> 4. It worried me that Bruna had mentioned that in her mind if there >> were elections there would only be 5 people voting and I assume she based >> that on the number of people she saw commenting. >> 5. There are many who lurk, merely observe and are not engaged unless >> something interests them or catches their attention to participate. >> 6. To this end the challenge for IGC Leadership is to ensure that >> every member is engaged. >> 7. I would like to ask Bruna to start working on getting the list of >> members and identify those that voted in the last elections. >> 8. This may already exist in the Archives. >> 9. Also information on how to subscribe to the IGC and commit to >> following its charter. >> 10. Parminder had highlighted the cooling period between when one >> joins and when one participates. >> 11. If anyone has any questions or issues about membership, suggest >> they raise it here. >> 12. When the website goes up, it will obviously be easier to >> subscribe individually. >> >> Best Wishes >> >> -- >> >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >> >> *P. O. Box 17862* >> >> *Suva* >> >> >> *Republic of Fiji* >> >> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >> >> *Home: +679 3362003* >> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >> >> >> >> >> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 08:18:31 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:18:31 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Comments are inline: On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 12:10 pm Akinremi Peter Taiwo, < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > I can't agree more with Parminder points that IGC is not measured by > website presence but of substance. Making IGC to have substance should be > our main priority. Currently, we have *665* subscribers on the riseup > mailing list, but not up to 10 names shows up frequently on the list. > Safe me the question of "how", migrated members please. > It is the right of members to not comment or lurk. Only those that voted in the last elections can vote on amendments to the charter. In other words the distinction is who can vote. People can lurk but vote. > > Maybe, we need to start asking ourselves valid questions as to whether > others are not participating. To get us to speed, I'll suggest, if visible, > that the coordinators reach out to the subscribers to confirm their > interest and active participation. Or a kind of roll call that confirm > members' presence. And BB member, if willing to be added to build a > functioning and active list before any election. With that, the substance > as mentioned by Parminder can be seen and restored. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:04 AM parminder > wrote: > >> There is going to be no fancy 'leadership group' >> >> No one has mentioned its need, justification, etc. >> >> I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue till elections, and they should. >> >> Sala, you were the greatest proponent for early even intimidate >> elections. Now, you agree with Ian below that no "immediate coco election" >> "seems to be he most supported option"? Anyway... >> >> If elections are due, they should take place. >> >> If they are postponed, clear reasons may be described and action be taken >> as per.... Charter amendment is out from such a list of reasons... Website >> work is independent and nothing to do with elections (although remember IGC >> was never much about a great website, it needs to first gets its >> 'substance' right which is nearly at about 'zero' right now, but new things >> are always welcome, pl go ahead. But let not the website volunteer list >> become anything else meanwhile). >> >> Are elections therefore being postponed bec BB members (that are not >> already in the IGC) need to be able to get to vote (although no one has >> really explained why that such a tearing hurry to vote for what everyone >> agrees is likely a pretty small number, but anyway)? Pl be clear and >> specific in response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who know about >> this matter. election postponement is a big thing. Thanks. >> >> Let us clearly be told why elections are being postponed... If the above >> BB issue, then we want clarity on; is BB closure and folding into the IGC >> decided, when would the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, any time lines >> etc for that.. >> >> That alone is the clear issue in front of us, related to coco elections. >> So please convey clarity to the IGC membership asap on this matter, and I >> request cocos special attention to this >> >> Thanks and regards >> >> parminder >> >> >> On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance >> Mailing List) wrote: >> >> Ditto everything that Ian said. >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >>> Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a >>> credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if >>> there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space! >>> >>> If I may summarise: >>> >>> 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down >>> the track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been >>> restored. >>> >>> 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards >>> website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with >>> a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic) >>> >>> 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, >>> others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in >>> place. I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for >>> instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no >>> choice but to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be >>> another one in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an >>> argument to do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will >>> be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: >>> >>> If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most >>> supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim >>> leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from >>> Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an >>> interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on >>> the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections. >>> >>> So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am >>> not happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> - >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Sheetal Kumar" >>> To: "parminder" >>> Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" ; "Nnenna Nwakanma" < >>> nnenna75 at gmail.com>; "governance" >>> Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> zero event and other subjects >>> >>> Dear Parminder, all, >>> >>> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing >>> Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to >>> join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The >>> information has been continually shared on both this list/among this >>> community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to >>> reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. >>> That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to >>> communicate better. >>> >>> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and >>> what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the >>> relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not >>> misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth >>> identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. >>> >>> * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >>> out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going >>> in so many circles about it?* >>> >>> *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday >>> Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) >>> the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who >>> triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so >>> on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined >>> list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its membership >>> with an explicit individual-based process, there is no merging or combining >>> lists here) .* >>> >>> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including >>> by active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to >>> reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part >>> in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there >>> is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on >>> here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >>> ), that the >>> existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. >>> As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this >>> could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to >>> move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned >>> before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations >>> about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new >>> group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these >>> conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC >>> members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was >>> decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to >>> happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve >>> all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise >>> are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are >>> no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. >>> Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what >>> I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less >>> fracture. >>> >>> >>> * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >>> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >>> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >>> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >>> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >>> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >>> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >>> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >>> What does one read into it. * >>> >>> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the >>> discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide >>> to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. >>> There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. >>> So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not >>> create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but >>> because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are >>> seen as a way to start. >>> >>> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not >>> on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is >>> that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and >>> commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should >>> wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have >>> pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it >>> would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could >>> undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to >>> them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August >>> 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then >>> for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. >>> And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new >>> members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we >>> can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. >>> Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the >>> handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss >>> the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk >>> relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss >>> these things. >>> >>> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of >>> Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and >>> have a conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? >>> >>> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>>> >>>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >>>> to merge BB and IGC. >>>> >>>> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >>>> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >>>> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >>>> >>>> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >>>> out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going >>>> in so many circles about it? >>>> >>>> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been >>>> stated. >>>> >>>> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >>>> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there >>>> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >>>> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >>>> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there >>>> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see >>>> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >>>> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >>>> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >>>> >>>> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much >>>> problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them >>>> somewhere on it, no problem. >>>> >>>> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >>>> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >>>> >>>> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >>>> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >>>> >>>> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >>>> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. >>>> It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >>>> going through to bring things back together. >>>> >>>> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday >>>> Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) >>>> the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who >>>> triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so >>>> on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined >>>> list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its membership >>>> with an explicit individual-based process, there is no merging or combining >>>> lists here) . >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >>>> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors >>>> are doing the reminding for me. >>>> >>>> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >>>> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I >>>> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >>>> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps >>>> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so >>>> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >>>> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >>>> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >>>> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are >>>> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly >>>> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >>>> >>>> >>>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can >>>> vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >>>> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >>>> >>>> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >>>> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >>>> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >>>> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >>>> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >>>> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >>>> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >>>> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >>>> What does one read into it. >>>> >>>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >>>> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >>>> >>>> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >>>> pond. I hope not. >>>> >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> Milton L Mueller >>>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >>>> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >>>> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and >>>> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >>>> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >>>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it >>>> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >>>> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >>>> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >>>> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >>>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >>>> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that >>>> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >>>> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think >>>> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as >>>> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >>>> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >>>> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >>>> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to >>>> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >>>> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>>> >>>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >>>> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election >>>> will be given a voter account". >>>> >>>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >>>> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >>>> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >>>> >>>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not >>>> been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further >>>> down the line. Perhaps. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>>>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>>>> >>>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>>>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> My 2 cents >>>>> >>>>> Nnenna >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>>>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be >>>>>> wound up, so be it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder >>>>>> >>>>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta >>>>>> T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , >>>>>> governance >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>>>> Day zero event and other subjects >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>>> >>>>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>>> >>>>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>>> >>>>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>>> >>>>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arsene >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up >>>>>> to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they >>>>>> want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to >>>>>> iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to >>>>>> modify it). >>>>>> >>>>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely >>>>>> use that language . >>>>>> >>>>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> parminder >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Arsene >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>>>> >>>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>>> >>>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>>> >>>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>>>> >>>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>>>> >>>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>>>> >>>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>>>> >>>>>> August 5. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Sheetal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruna, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>>> >>>>>> IGC >>>>>> >>>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>>>> >>>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>>>> >>>>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>>>> >>>>>> event and other subjects >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>>> >>>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>>> >>>>>> ensure >>>>>> >>>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>>> >>>>>> done >>>>>> >>>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>>>> >>>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> parminder >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>> > >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. 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Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Jul 19 08:35:48 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:05:48 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <964ad032-1ce5-bc44-50b9-62cce26e0b11@itforchange.net> On 19/07/19 5:48 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Comments are inline: > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 12:10 pm Akinremi Peter Taiwo, > > wrote: > > I can't agree more with Parminder points that IGC is not measured > by website presence but of substance. Making IGC to have substance > should be our main priority. Currently, we have *665* subscribers > on the riseup mailing list, but not up to 10 names shows up > frequently on the list. Safe me the question of "how", migrated > members please.   > > > It is the right of members to not comment or lurk. Only those that > voted in the last elections can vote on amendments to the charter. In > other words the distinction is who can vote. People can lurk but vote. Just to add in case the readers are not clear from the above; Only those who voted last time can vote for charter amendments. All members who have been members for more than 2 months can vote for co-coordinator election. parminder > > Maybe, we need to start asking ourselves valid questions as to > whether others are not participating. To get us to speed, I'll > suggest, if visible, that the coordinators reach out to the > subscribers to confirm their interest and active participation. Or > a kind of roll call that confirm members' presence. And BB member, > if willing to be added to build a functioning and active list > before any election. With that, the substance as mentioned by > Parminder can be seen and restored.  > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:04 AM parminder > > wrote: > > There is going to be no fancy 'leadership group' > > No one has mentioned its need, justification, etc. > > I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue till elections, and > they should. > > Sala, you were the greatest proponent for early even > intimidate elections. Now, you agree with Ian below that no > "immediate coco election" "seems to be he most supported > option"? Anyway... > > If elections are due, they should take place. > > If they are postponed, clear reasons may be described and > action be taken as per.... Charter amendment is out from such > a list of reasons... Website work is independent and nothing > to do with elections (although remember IGC was never much > about a great website, it needs to first gets its 'substance' > right which is nearly at about 'zero' right now, but new > things are always welcome, pl go ahead. But let not the > website volunteer list become anything else meanwhile). > > Are elections therefore being postponed bec BB members (that > are not already in the IGC) need to be able to get to vote  > (although no one has really explained why that such a tearing > hurry to vote for what everyone agrees is likely a pretty > small number, but anyway)?  Pl be clear and specific in > response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who know about > this matter. election postponement is a big thing.  Thanks. > > Let us clearly be told why elections are being postponed... If > the above BB issue, then we want clarity on; is BB closure and > folding into the IGC decided, when would the non IGC members > enrol in the IGC, any time lines etc for that.. > > That alone is the clear issue in front of us, related to coco > elections. So please convey clarity to the IGC membership asap > on this matter, and I request cocos special attention to this > > Thanks and regards > > parminder > > > On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via > governance Mailing List) wrote: >> Ditto everything that Ian said. >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> , > > wrote: >> >> Well its good to see so many people who care about the >> future of a credible voice for civil society in the >> internet governance field, even if there are big >> differences as regards how to revive things in this space! >> >> If I may summarise: >> >> 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be >> discussed down the track after a credible web presence >> and leadership structure have been restored. >> >> 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and >> Jeremy) regards website restoration. There is no reason >> why this cannot take place now with a small group >> reporting back here. (see separate topic) >> >> 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for >> coco election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of >> months until other matters are in place. I am not >> convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for >> instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there >> seems to be no choice but to delay. And if there is one >> election now, there will also be another one in less than >> six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to >> do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I >> will be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for >> this, BUT:::::: >> >> If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems >> to be the most supported option, I believe it is >> essential; we agree to an interim leadership group until >> it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from Bruna, >> capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been >> mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely necessary, >> I believe, if the group decides on the call not to >> proceed immediately with coco elections. >> >> So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this >> one: but I am not happy for there to be no action at all >> to resolve this issue.  >> >> Ian Peter >>  - >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Sheetal Kumar" > > >> To: "parminder" > > >> Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" > >; "Nnenna Nwakanma" >> >; >> "governance" > > >> Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits >> in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >> >>> Dear Parminder, all, >>> >>> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation >>> about closing Bestbits and requesting any members there >>> who are not already on IGC to join IGC (aka 'merger' to >>> some) has been ongoing for months. The information has >>> been continually shared on both this list/among this >>> community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could >>> have done more to reach out to key people and >>> communicated things more clearly perhaps. That's >>> something I've learned. We did try but we can always do >>> more to communicate better.  >>> >>> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked >>> clarity on, and what follows is my reading of things as >>> someone who has been part of the relevant discussions >>> from the beginning so I do hope I'm not misrepresenting >>> anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's >>> worth identifying what we agree on and then work through >>> what we disagree on. >>> >>> /If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, >>> please state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's >>> primary working space. Why are we going  in so many >>> circles about it?/ >>> >>> // >>> >>> /What process is being disregarded, the one about  which >>> yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that >>> elections will be held after (1) the IGC charter is >>> amended (and I have been asking what is this, who >>> triggered this demand, with what objectives, what >>> justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to >>> answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, >>> IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its >>> membership with an explicit individual-based process, >>> there is no merging or combining lists here) ./ >>> >>> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits >>> lists, including by active, long-standing and even >>> founding members of both, has been how to reinvigorate >>> civil society coordination. It was agreed by those >>> taking part in these discussions which have been open to >>> everyone from the start (there is a whole archive of the >>> discussions that have been continually shared on here >>> and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >>> ), >>> that the existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't >>> helping so Bestbits should close. As we are all >>> sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), >>> this could not simply be a matter of closing the list >>> and telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if >>> they weren't already members. As I mentioned before, >>> Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had >>> conversations about it, that lasted months. Some people >>> even wanted to create a new group. We decided not to. >>> Among some suggestions that came out of these >>> conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC >>> charter. Founding IGC members were part of this >>> discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was decided >>> or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for >>> that to happen. Any such process would have to respect >>> the IGC charter and involve all members. Of course. >>> Anything that has been shared which says otherwise are >>> simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move >>> on. There are no reverse takeovers taking place, no >>> desire to rip apart the Charter. Respect for process is >>> key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what I >>> can see, just people trying to steer things towards more >>> unity and less fracture. >>> >>> /Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to >>> vote.. No one really is insisting that we hold elections >>> like today . But this certainly cannot be the reason for >>> a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >>> more than 6 months now. That  would be so very >>> illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for >>> voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 >>> months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- >>> Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such >>> a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much >>> more than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one >>> read into it. >>> / >>> >>> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for >>> those in the discussions which have been open to >>> everyone since the beginning to decide to close Bestbits >>> as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. >>> There were other proposals like I said, including >>> setting up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later, >>> with agreement to close Bestbits and not create a new >>> list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, >>> sure, but because leadership is I guess key to >>> reinvigorating things, elections are seen as a way to start. >>> >>> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on >>> Bestbits' that are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. >>> Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is that even if >>> one or two of those people join and have the energy and >>> commitment to run for elections and coordinate going >>> forward, we should wait for them to join. Do we have >>> much to lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that >>> we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it >>> would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is >>> true, so we could undertake an exercise comparing who is >>> not on both lists and reach out to them directly. >>> Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c >>> August 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can >>> collectively set a date then for the closure of >>> Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. >>> And then we'll be all having this conversation on this >>> list, including new members. Once new BB members have >>> joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide >>> whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. >>> Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right >>> away, including the handful of new members. Or maybe >>> they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss the day 0 >>> event together. If we don't do the closure properly then >>> we risk relevant and interested people losing out on the >>> opportunity to discuss these things. >>> >>> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which >>> members of Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC >>> and then we set an agenda, and have a conversation about >>> when to hold elections etc etc? >>> >>> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X.  >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. >>>> We are in fact trying to merge BB and IGC. >>> >>> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of >>> view, there is no merging happening... Some new >>> people want to join IGC, and if conditions are >>> fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >>> >>> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, >>> please state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's >>> primary working space. Why are we going  in so many >>> circles about it? >>> >>> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, >>> issues have been stated. >>> >>> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the >>> new members can go through their 2 month cooling >>> period.... I said that can be done, and there has >>> been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, >>> if you ask me, I really do not understand why this >>> hurry and absolute insistence on voting right away . >>> That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods >>> are there for a reason. People who havent ever been >>> on the IGC  need to observe, see and know and mingle >>> before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >>> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this >>> insistence ? What is the plan? But anyway, I really >>> said I am fine either way.) >>> >>> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again >>> there is not much problem with it. Whenever we have >>> a working IGC website, we can put them somewhere on >>> it, no problem. >>> >>> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people >>> tell us clearly, rather than going in circles and >>> creating so much confusion. >>> >>>> We are trying to create a more unified civil >>>> society presence. We don’t do that by throwing up >>>> procedural walls around this group. >>> >>> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are >>> blocking BB people -- other than those who already >>> are there-- from joining IGC, ? >>> >>> >>>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as >>>> much as they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal >>>> says, to disregard the process we have been going >>>> through to bring things back together. >>> >>> What process is being disregarded, the one about  >>> which yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided >>> that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >>> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is >>> this, who triggered this demand, with what >>> objectives, what justifications, and so on, and >>> people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their >>> is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one >>> has to individually take its membership with an >>> explicit individual-based process, there is no >>> merging or combining lists here) . >>> >>> >>>>  I hope I don’t need to remind people why a >>>> significant chunk of civil society broke off from >>>> IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain >>>> actors are doing the reminding for me.  >>> >>> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a >>> confrontational abyss, please do remind us. (Btw,  I >>> was among the founding members of BB, and I remember >>> you werent around that much in those discussions).  >>> In fact any coming back of BB member to IGC -- if >>> you really think so --should perhaps be helped by >>> visiting the original conditions of why they went >>> away and so on... We are capable of an adult >>> conversation here, and should not be afraid. >>> Important public facts are always good to know and >>> discuss. And then one may also discuss what happened >>> with BB, whether they were able to achieve the >>> objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and >>> what are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming >>> back to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker and >>> lost now than when they left it. >>> >>>> >>>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before >>>> the newcomers can vote. Can someone tell me what >>>> positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >>>> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold >>>> elections? >>> >>> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to >>> vote.. No one really is insisting that we hold >>> elections like today . But this certainly cannot be >>> the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are >>> saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  >>> would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >>> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the >>> process, but why labour it over 7 months when it >>> needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >>> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong >>> focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much more >>> than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one >>> read into it. >>> >>>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and >>>> hostile place where they can be a big fish in a >>>> small pond? I hope not. >>> >>> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make >>> IGC their private pond. I hope not. >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>>> >>>> Milton L Mueller >>>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up >>>>> to the Charter. It's indeed pretty >>>>> straightforward. However, what I don't understand >>>>> is the disregard for a process that has been >>>>> ongoing for months, about a large and until >>>>> recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, >>>>> Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and its >>>>> members who are not already part of IGC 'join >>>>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had >>>>> an active membership, it had a functioning >>>>> website, it had a steering group, it used to >>>>> coordinate, and more. It also had its own >>>>> membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >>>>> event before the global IGF. And now it is >>>>> closing. Who knows how many people who have been >>>>> part of that discussion or at least following on >>>>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part >>>>> of the IGC elections? Whether its semantic or not >>>>> to call it a 'merger', the point remains that this >>>>> has been a discussion for a few months that >>>>> should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the >>>>> IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it >>>>> makes sense for them to considering the history of >>>>> IGC and Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). >>>>> Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >>>>> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been >>>>> interested a discussion towards a more impactful >>>>> and coordinated civil society in this space. It >>>>> just seems to make sense not to disregard that >>>>> Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with the >>>>> Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >>>>> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>>>> >>>>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting >>>>> process: Each person who is subscribed to the list >>>>> at least two (2) months before the election will >>>>> be given a voter account". >>>>> >>>>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of >>>>> IGC joined then they couldn't vote right away. >>>>> Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >>>>> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good >>>>> to discuss. >>>>> >>>>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only >>>>> ever an idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by >>>>> anyone. It's just something to discuss, further >>>>> down the line. Perhaps. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  >>>>> Berlin IGF. >>>>> Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a >>>>> process". >>>>> >>>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth >>>>> it.. it only takes a click to accept the >>>>> charter and be added to the mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> My 2 cents >>>>> >>>>> Nnenna >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh >>>>> Ramasubramanian >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Much to my surprise I agree with >>>>> Parminder.  If Bestbits is to be wound up, >>>>> so be it. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish >>>>> to caucus in the IGC please subscribe to >>>>> the list and do so. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> *From: >>>>> *>>>> > >>>>> on behalf of parminder >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali >>>>> >>>> >, Sheetal >>>>> Kumar >>>> > >>>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> " >>>>> >>>> >, >>>>> "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>> >, >>>>> governance >>>> > >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: >>>>> Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event >>>>> and other subjects >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>> >>>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you mean about a >>>>> unified list... >>>>> >>>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to >>>>> join the IGC, and it is up to to those in >>>>> Bestbits and not already in IGC to take >>>>> that route if they want to. Meanwhile we >>>>> do welcome all civil society members >>>>> adhering to iGC's charter (rather than >>>>> insisting for, unclear and unstated >>>>> reasons, to modify it). >>>>> >>>>> And there is really no merger involved >>>>> here, even if people loosely use that >>>>> language . >>>>> >>>>> I remain astonished about the repeated >>>>> talk about a new IGC charter, especially >>>>> as an already decided thing! What exactly >>>>> are you talking about. >>>>> >>>>> And I am further pained for you, being >>>>> still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not >>>>> at all responding to my clear email about >>>>> how this elist is the primary work place >>>>> for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>>> >>>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on >>>>> whatever steps you have you may wish to -- >>>>> that is no part of IGC's procedure, and >>>>> would have no meaning or consequence for it. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>>> >>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>> >>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>> >>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>>> >>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>>> >>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>>> >>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>>> >>>>> August 5. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>> >>>>> IGC >>>>> >>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>>> >>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>>> >>>>> back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>>> >>>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>> 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * >>> * >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D >>> 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > > >> List help: >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 09:06:51 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:06:51 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: <1594736095.4266100.1563539463511@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> <1594736095.4266100.1563539463511@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Imran, What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up. On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with > you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or > contents copy as text... > > As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list > regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total > number of ballots issued. > > Thanks and Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Let me know who to share it with. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear all > > I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years > archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can > contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be > great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are > in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for > a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster > such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I > will be intermittently responding from here on end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further > comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. > We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise > in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can > continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can > oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the > community. > > If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. > > *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* > > *Website Development Team* > > *Confirmed* > > - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) > - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) > - Farzaneh Badii (technical) > - Ian Peter (content) > - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) > > *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* > > - Avri Doria > - Akinremi Peter > > > *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm > > *Suggested General Strategy* > > - To create a Project Timeline > - To develop a Site Map > - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on > the site > - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team > - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members > to comment > - Launch the website > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 29278 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with > you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or > contents copy as text... > > As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list > regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total > number of ballots issued. > > Thanks and Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Let me know who to share it with. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear all > > I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years > archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can > contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be > great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are > in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for > a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster > such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I > will be intermittently responding from here on end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further > comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. > We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise > in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can > continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can > oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the > community. > > If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. > > *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* > > *Website Development Team* > > *Confirmed* > > - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) > - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) > - Farzaneh Badii (technical) > - Ian Peter (content) > - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) > > *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* > > - Avri Doria > - Akinremi Peter > > > *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm > > *Suggested General Strategy* > > - To create a Project Timeline > - To develop a Site Map > - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on > the site > - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team > - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members > to comment > - Launch the website > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 29278 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 09:25:11 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> <1594736095.4266100.1563539463511@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1782889563.4290529.1563542711743@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:22:16 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Extract from the back up text for your infomation.   107votes were cast of which 99 were valid. ·        36 votes for ArseneTungali ·        32 votes for CarlosVera Quintana ·        10 votes for AkinremiPeter Taiwo ·        20 votes None of theabove Of the 8 rejected votes 4 persons said that they are not members 4 persons voted twice Therefore Arsene Tungali is elected as the newCo-coordinator to work with Analia. On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members. Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or contents copy as text...  As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." 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Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or contents copy as text...  As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." 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Can we recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the numbers are that different ? best, Bruna Santos Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : > Right. > Thanks > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear Imran, > What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really > happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > > >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with > you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or > contents copy as text... > > As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list > regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total > number of ballots issued. > > Thanks and Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Let me know who to share it with. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear all > > I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years > archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can > contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be > great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are > in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for > a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster > such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I > will be intermittently responding from here on end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further > comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. > We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise > in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can > continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can > oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the > community. > > If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. > > *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* > > *Website Development Team* > > *Confirmed* > > - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) > - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) > - Farzaneh Badii (technical) > - Ian Peter (content) > - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) > > *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* > > - Avri Doria > - Akinremi Peter > > > *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm > > *Suggested General Strategy* > > - To create a Project Timeline > - To develop a Site Map > - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on > the site > - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team > - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members > to comment > - Launch the website > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sorry I don't have that information. Regards. Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > From what I recall, the last elections we held were mine, no ? Can we > recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the > numbers are that different ? > > best, > Bruna Santos > > Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > >> Right. >> Thanks >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Imran, >> What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really >> happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up. >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah >> wrote: >> >> >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and >> members. >> >> Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available >> with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or >> contents copy as text... >> >> As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list >> regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total >> number of ballots issued. >> >> Thanks and Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and >> members. >> >> Let me know who to share it with. >> >> Regards. >> Peter >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen >> wrote: >> >> Dear all >> >> I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years >> archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can >> contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. >> >> Anriette >> >> ----------------------------- >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning >> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org >> >> On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance >> Mailing List) wrote: >> >> Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be >> great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are >> in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for >> a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster >> such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I >> will be intermittently responding from here on end. >> >> Best Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Sala, >> >> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >> suggests we proceed. >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC >> Website (Way Forward) >> >> Dear All. >> >> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good >> for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >> attached. >> >> For a bird's eye view: >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >> >> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >> community. >> >> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >> >> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >> >> *Website Development Team* >> >> *Confirmed* >> >> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >> - Ian Peter (content) >> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >> >> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >> >> - Avri Doria >> - Akinremi Peter >> >> >> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >> >> *Suggested General Strategy* >> >> - To create a Project Timeline >> - To develop a Site Map >> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on >> the site >> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members >> to comment >> - Launch the website >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * >> >> *P. O. Box 17862 * >> >> *Suva * >> >> >> *Republic of Fiji * >> >> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >> >> *Home: +679 3362003 * >> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >> >> >> >> >> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Peter Taiwo Akinremi >> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Peter Taiwo Akinremi >> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > -- Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:22:16 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Extract from the back up text for your infomation.   107votes were cast of which 99 were valid. ·        36 votes for ArseneTungali ·        32 votes for CarlosVera Quintana ·        10 votes for AkinremiPeter Taiwo ·        20 votes None of theabove Of the 8 rejected votes 4 persons said that they are not members 4 persons voted twice Therefore Arsene Tungali is elected as the newCo-coordinator to work with Analia. On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members. Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or contents copy as text...  As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. 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Can we recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the numbers are that different ?  best, Bruna Santos  Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : Right.Thanks On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear Imran,What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up.  On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members. Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or contents copy as text...  As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. 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Best Sheetal On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear all, > > Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits > into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore > we will proceed with this course of action. > > I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps, > including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in > November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for > 2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we > suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a > revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process > for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the > information is communicated in a clear and transparent way. > > Please indicate your availability for this call here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > > > Thanks everyone! > > Best > Sheetal. > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji wrote: > >> Hello Sheetal, >> >> I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I >> have no further inputs. >> >> Poncelet >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Poncelet >> >> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see support >>> for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle reminder >>> to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've recopied in >>> italics below. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> *Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis* >>> >>> *Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>> . There was a need >>> identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that >>> opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise >>> from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>> framework should be developed.* >>> >>> >>> *Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). * >>> >>> >>> *If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be >>> no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July >>> 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do >>> get in touch with us.* >>> >>> *Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), >>> Pavitra Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression), >>> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)* >>> >>> >>> *Agenda followed:* >>> >>> >>> >>> *1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4) >>> Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on >>> roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps * >>> >>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks >>>> A better option. >>>> Regards >>>> Remmy Nweke >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or >>>>> Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward >>>>> our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see >>>>> agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal >>>>> below. >>>>> >>>>> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. >>>>> There was a need identified for more streamlined information sharing and >>>>> expectation that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or >>>>> issues will arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. >>>>> It was also agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a >>>>> future document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and >>>>> general framework should be developed. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). >>>>> >>>>> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should >>>>> there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented >>>>> after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, >>>>> please do get in touch with us. >>>>> >>>>> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra >>>>> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of >>>>> Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International) >>>>> >>>>> Agenda followed: >>>>> 1) Introductions >>>>> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? >>>>> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our meeting >>>>>> in Tunis tomorrow. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please drop >>>>>> me a line if you can. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please find the details below: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:* >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *What/the agenda: * >>>>>> >>>>>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)* >>>>>> >>>>>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)* >>>>>> >>>>>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? >>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to >>>>>> be? (1-1.5 hours)* >>>>>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45 >>>>>> minutes) * >>>>>> >>>>>> Do let me know if you have any questions! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> *Best* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sheetal.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to >>>>>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Room Dougga >>>>>>> - June 11, *9am-12:30pm * >>>>>>> - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be >>>>>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet >>>>>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed >>>>>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope to see many of you soon! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies >>>>>>>> off-thread expressing interest in the effort. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the >>>>>>>> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be >>>>>>>> at RightsCon? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the way forward: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to >>>>>>>> attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like >>>>>>>> to accommodate everyone who can attend >>>>>>>> - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please >>>>>>>> do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can >>>>>>>> input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have >>>>>>>> good wifi) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov < >>>>>>>> ba2482 at columbia.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if >>>>>>>>> we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please let me know. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter! >>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: >>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter >>>>>>>>> Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad >>>>>>>>> where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet >>>>>>>>> Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic >>>>>>>>> Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the >>>>>>>>> creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles >>>>>>>>> among other positive outcomes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of >>>>>>>>> this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the >>>>>>>>> cross-CS coordination right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and >>>>>>>>> methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at >>>>>>>>> times to this prof). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net < >>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy; >>>>>>>>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of >>>>>>>>> those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants >>>>>>>>> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see >>>>>>>>> below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going >>>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a >>>>>>>>> day 0 event at IGF >>>>>>>>> - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal >>>>>>>>> steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as >>>>>>>>> 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation >>>>>>>>> of the event however they see fit >>>>>>>>> - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal >>>>>>>>> agenda has been put together >>>>>>>>> - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this >>>>>>>>> effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of >>>>>>>>> focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already >>>>>>>>> been proposed) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've >>>>>>>>> now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the >>>>>>>>> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level >>>>>>>>> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an >>>>>>>>> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please provide your views on this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the >>>>>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary >>>>>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should >>>>>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about >>>>>>>>> civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call >>>>>>>>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work >>>>>>>>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and >>>>>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported >>>>>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the >>>>>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call >>>>>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage >>>>>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, >>>>>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC >>>>>>>>> would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant >>>>>>>>> of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put >>>>>>>>> something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback >>>>>>>>> before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple >>>>>>>>> proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the >>>>>>>>> call wants to chime in with more information please do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen < >>>>>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will >>>>>>>>> report on the meeting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an >>>>>>>>> hour at 1 >>>>>>>>> > PM UTC (see the link below). >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Best >>>>>>>>> > Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Meeting room details >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Meeting ID >>>>>>>>> > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>> > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > Dear all >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on >>>>>>>>> *Wednesday, >>>>>>>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below >>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Best >>>>>>>>> > > Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Meeting room details >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Meeting ID >>>>>>>>> > > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion >>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone >>>>>>>>> relevant. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Suggested agenda >>>>>>>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of >>>>>>>>> what's happened >>>>>>>>> > > so far >>>>>>>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> Dear Akinremi, >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the >>>>>>>>> participants of >>>>>>>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group". If riseup.net is >>>>>>>>> working, >>>>>>>>> > >> then I do not have concerns. >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org >>>>>>>>> mailbox is not >>>>>>>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net >>>>>>>>> mailing-list. >>>>>>>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do >>>>>>>>> so as to be >>>>>>>>> > >>> able to help. >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> > >>> Peter >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits >>>>>>>>> list to >>>>>>>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different >>>>>>>>> problem. The >>>>>>>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is >>>>>>>>> managing the >>>>>>>>> > >>>> Governance lists please? >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be >>>>>>>>> limited to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should >>>>>>>>> be limited to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of >>>>>>>>> an independent >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the >>>>>>>>> group should cease >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the >>>>>>>>> IGC group wants IGC >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some >>>>>>>>> contacts on the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you >>>>>>>>> are referring to. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any >>>>>>>>> privacy issue that >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on >>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society >>>>>>>>> organization in the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing >>>>>>>>> many hat remains. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited >>>>>>>>> response, only >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list? >>>>>>>>> Possibly the poll >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only >>>>>>>>> to the IGC list. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of >>>>>>>>> Bestbits" rather than >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society". >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society >>>>>>>>> coordination, and I know >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The >>>>>>>>> conversations have >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the >>>>>>>>> current situation >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination >>>>>>>>> network), and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil >>>>>>>>> society coordination >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which >>>>>>>>> gathered a >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a >>>>>>>>> summary report of >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris >>>>>>>>> there was discussion >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we >>>>>>>>> do that however, it >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and >>>>>>>>> agree a way >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. >>>>>>>>> It would be >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can >>>>>>>>> confirm the date and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda* >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and >>>>>>>>> contributions so far! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. >>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, >>>>>>>>> with a summary included >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the >>>>>>>>> first half >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way >>>>>>>>> forward (45 minutes-1 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with >>>>>>>>> IGC founders and other >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate >>>>>>>>> call too. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to >>>>>>>>> find a way >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus >>>>>>>>> to change >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in >>>>>>>>> finding a way >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to >>>>>>>>> the widest possible >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions >>>>>>>>> on how to proceed, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a >>>>>>>>> doodle for a follow up >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it >>>>>>>>> would be great >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>>> If you could fill >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much >>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to >>>>>>>>> decide next >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank >>>>>>>>> you to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views >>>>>>>>> if you can, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will >>>>>>>>> feed into the next set >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, >>>>>>>>> please see a >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of >>>>>>>>> Bestbits. Following a >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as >>>>>>>>> well as members of IGC, it >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to >>>>>>>>> gather views of all members. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information >>>>>>>>> note which >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and >>>>>>>>> links to the summaries of >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are >>>>>>>>> invited to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in >>>>>>>>> a timely way, please >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call >>>>>>>>> yesterday. For >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the >>>>>>>>> list of participants >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways >>>>>>>>> forward for >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in >>>>>>>>> December and the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both >>>>>>>>> Bestbits and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their >>>>>>>>> objectives, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we >>>>>>>>> agreed to circulate a >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four >>>>>>>>> suggested ways forward >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested >>>>>>>>> that this survey with >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the >>>>>>>>> future of the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to >>>>>>>>> both lists shortly, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on >>>>>>>>> next steps is >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM >>>>>>>>> UTC*. The full >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've >>>>>>>>> updated the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad < >>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems >>>>>>>>> the best time >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The >>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are >>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. >>>>>>>>> Looking forward >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the >>>>>>>>> 11th! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways * >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: * >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC < >>>>>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: * >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc >>>>>>>>> -or-199.48.152.152 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone : >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Dial: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Enter Conference ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone >>>>>>>>> number will >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like >>>>>>>>> to record and share the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing >>>>>>>>> list. Please let us know if >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an >>>>>>>>> open mailing list if you >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: * >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and >>>>>>>>> IGC lists, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other >>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>> issues faced in >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as >>>>>>>>> information sharing >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process >>>>>>>>> for decision >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad* >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated >>>>>>>>> they were available for >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits >>>>>>>>> member you can join the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is >>>>>>>>> just to have a vague idea >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this >>>>>>>>> topic, and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their >>>>>>>>> perspectives and the relevant >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to >>>>>>>>> touch base >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way >>>>>>>>> forward. The discussions here >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and >>>>>>>>> Farzaneh has kindly offered to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second >>>>>>>>> call to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>> issues faced >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using >>>>>>>>> lists as information sharing >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last >>>>>>>>> call, we >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but >>>>>>>>> that we also reach out to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background >>>>>>>>> and inform the discussion >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end >>>>>>>>> of next >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send >>>>>>>>> the conference room link >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, >>>>>>>>> and have a >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line >>>>>>>>> with what Nnenna and Jeremy >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together >>>>>>>>> within IGC and Bestbits >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again >>>>>>>>> really improve participation? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs >>>>>>>>> to be done, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people >>>>>>>>> who started >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same >>>>>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems >>>>>>>>> unlikely that >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC >>>>>>>>> (which many >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having >>>>>>>>> some difficulty with >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management >>>>>>>>> tasks for the group. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss >>>>>>>>> issues and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way >>>>>>>>> to do that now or do we need >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019 >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm < >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first >>>>>>>>> Steering Committee >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits - >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how >>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while >>>>>>>>> since it had >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, >>>>>>>>> the 2012 ITU >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on >>>>>>>>> joint action >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both >>>>>>>>> inside and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer >>>>>>>>> steering >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that >>>>>>>>> had driven >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. >>>>>>>>> There were >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various >>>>>>>>> participants having >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their >>>>>>>>> own funding. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability >>>>>>>>> resulted in >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set >>>>>>>>> of rules >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and >>>>>>>>> people weren't >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that >>>>>>>>> the more >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for >>>>>>>>> that. But I >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time >>>>>>>>> to it as >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new >>>>>>>>> nonprofit >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' >>>>>>>>> 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O - >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on >>>>>>>>> the list: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 09:41:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> <1594736095.4266100.1563539463511@mail.yahoo.com> <945406593.4285114.1563542743314@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1739116079.4258943.1563543679162@mail.yahoo.com> Bruna, can you share the email of election result...... On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:36:42 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: You are right Bruna. But I guess the website was not updated because of the issues at that time. Maybe that can be recovered by checking email archived from people. I'm sorry I don't have that information.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Dear all,  >From what I recall, the last elections we held were mine, no ? Can we recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the numbers are that different ?  best, Bruna Santos  Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : Right.Thanks On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear Imran,What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up.  On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members. Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or contents copy as text...  As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." 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Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) Host: Global Partners Digital Join *Agenda:* 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to expect? 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline 4) AOB I look forward to speaking to many of you soon! Best Sheetal. On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 15:57, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear all, > > Thank you to those who have already filled in the doodle to discuss next > steps. This is just a polite reminder to fill in the doodle if you haven't > already. You can find it here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > > I'll send around the confirmation of the date at the end of next week, so > please do indicate your availability by 25 July. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits >> into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore >> we will proceed with this course of action. >> >> I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps, >> including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in >> November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for >> 2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we >> suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a >> revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process >> for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the >> information is communicated in a clear and transparent way. >> >> Please indicate your availability for this call here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >> >> Thanks everyone! >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji wrote: >> >>> Hello Sheetal, >>> >>> I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I >>> have no further inputs. >>> >>> Poncelet >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> >>> Poncelet >>> >>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see support >>>> for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle reminder >>>> to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've recopied in >>>> italics below. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Sheetal. >>>> >>>> *Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis* >>>> >>>> *Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>> . There was a need >>>> identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that >>>> opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise >>>> from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>>> framework should be developed.* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). * >>>> >>>> >>>> *If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be >>>> no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July >>>> 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do >>>> get in touch with us.* >>>> >>>> *Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), >>>> Pavitra Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression), >>>> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Agenda followed:* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4) >>>> Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on >>>> roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps * >>>> >>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> A better option. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Remmy Nweke >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or >>>>>> Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward >>>>>> our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see >>>>>> agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal >>>>>> below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>>>> a summary of here: >>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. There was a >>>>>> need identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation >>>>>> that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will >>>>>> arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>>>>> framework should be developed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should >>>>>> there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented >>>>>> after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, >>>>>> please do get in touch with us. >>>>>> >>>>>> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra >>>>>> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of >>>>>> Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International) >>>>>> >>>>>> Agenda followed: >>>>>> 1) Introductions >>>>>> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? >>>>>> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our >>>>>>> meeting in Tunis tomorrow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please drop >>>>>>> me a line if you can. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please find the details below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *What/the agenda: * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? >>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to >>>>>>> be? (1-1.5 hours)* >>>>>>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45 >>>>>>> minutes) * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do let me know if you have any questions! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Best* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sheetal.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to >>>>>>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Room Dougga >>>>>>>> - June 11, *9am-12:30pm * >>>>>>>> - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be >>>>>>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet >>>>>>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed >>>>>>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope to see many of you soon! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies >>>>>>>>> off-thread expressing interest in the effort. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the >>>>>>>>> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be >>>>>>>>> at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On the way forward: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to >>>>>>>>> attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like >>>>>>>>> to accommodate everyone who can attend >>>>>>>>> - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please >>>>>>>>> do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can >>>>>>>>> input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have >>>>>>>>> good wifi) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov < >>>>>>>>> ba2482 at columbia.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if >>>>>>>>>> we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please let me know. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter! >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: >>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W >>>>>>>>>> McKnight >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi >>>>>>>>>> Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in >>>>>>>>>> Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on >>>>>>>>>> Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a >>>>>>>>>> Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led >>>>>>>>>> to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and >>>>>>>>>> Principles among other positive outcomes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of >>>>>>>>>> this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the >>>>>>>>>> cross-CS coordination right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and >>>>>>>>>> methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at >>>>>>>>>> times to this prof). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net < >>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian >>>>>>>>>> muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> >>>>>>>>>> < governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of >>>>>>>>>> those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants >>>>>>>>>> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see >>>>>>>>>> below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going >>>>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a >>>>>>>>>> day 0 event at IGF >>>>>>>>>> - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal >>>>>>>>>> steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as >>>>>>>>>> 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation >>>>>>>>>> of the event however they see fit >>>>>>>>>> - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal >>>>>>>>>> agenda has been put together >>>>>>>>>> - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this >>>>>>>>>> effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of >>>>>>>>>> focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already >>>>>>>>>> been proposed) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like >>>>>>>>>> we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree >>>>>>>>>> that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global >>>>>>>>>> level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting >>>>>>>>>> together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to >>>>>>>>>> these efforts. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please provide your views on this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the >>>>>>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary >>>>>>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should >>>>>>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about >>>>>>>>>> civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call >>>>>>>>>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work >>>>>>>>>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and >>>>>>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported >>>>>>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the >>>>>>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call >>>>>>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage >>>>>>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, >>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC >>>>>>>>>> would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant >>>>>>>>>> of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put >>>>>>>>>> something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback >>>>>>>>>> before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple >>>>>>>>>> proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the >>>>>>>>>> call wants to chime in with more information please do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen < >>>>>>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will >>>>>>>>>> report on the meeting. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an >>>>>>>>>> hour at 1 >>>>>>>>>> > PM UTC (see the link below). >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Best >>>>>>>>>> > Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Meeting room details >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Meeting ID >>>>>>>>>> > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>>> > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > Dear all >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on >>>>>>>>>> *Wednesday, >>>>>>>>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below >>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Best >>>>>>>>>> > > Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Meeting room details >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Meeting ID >>>>>>>>>> > > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion >>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with >>>>>>>>>> anyone relevant. >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Suggested agenda >>>>>>>>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of >>>>>>>>>> what's happened >>>>>>>>>> > > so far >>>>>>>>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Dear Akinremi, >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the >>>>>>>>>> participants of >>>>>>>>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that >>>>>>>>>> "discussion about >>>>>>>>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group". If riseup.net is >>>>>>>>>> working, >>>>>>>>>> > >> then I do not have concerns. >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org >>>>>>>>>> mailbox is not >>>>>>>>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net >>>>>>>>>> mailing-list. >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do >>>>>>>>>> so as to be >>>>>>>>>> > >>> able to help. >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the >>>>>>>>>> Bestbits list to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different >>>>>>>>>> problem. The >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is >>>>>>>>>> managing the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Governance lists please? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be >>>>>>>>>> limited to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should >>>>>>>>>> be limited to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of >>>>>>>>>> an independent >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the >>>>>>>>>> group should cease >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the >>>>>>>>>> IGC group wants IGC >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some >>>>>>>>>> contacts on the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you >>>>>>>>>> are referring to. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any >>>>>>>>>> privacy issue that >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light >>>>>>>>>> on this. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part >>>>>>>>>> of our >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society >>>>>>>>>> organization in the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing >>>>>>>>>> many hat remains. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited >>>>>>>>>> response, only >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list? >>>>>>>>>> Possibly the poll >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed >>>>>>>>>> only to the IGC list. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of >>>>>>>>>> Bestbits" rather than >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society". >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement >>>>>>>>>> in these >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society >>>>>>>>>> coordination, and I know >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The >>>>>>>>>> conversations have >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the >>>>>>>>>> current situation >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination >>>>>>>>>> network), and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil >>>>>>>>>> society coordination >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey >>>>>>>>>> which gathered a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a >>>>>>>>>> summary report of >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris >>>>>>>>>> there was discussion >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we >>>>>>>>>> do that however, it >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey >>>>>>>>>> and agree a way >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. >>>>>>>>>> It would be >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can >>>>>>>>>> confirm the date and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda* >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and >>>>>>>>>> contributions so far! >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. >>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, >>>>>>>>>> with a summary included >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the >>>>>>>>>> first half >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way >>>>>>>>>> forward (45 minutes-1 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with >>>>>>>>>> IGC founders and other >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a >>>>>>>>>> separate call too. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been >>>>>>>>>> to find a way >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus >>>>>>>>>> to change >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in >>>>>>>>>> finding a way >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to >>>>>>>>>> the widest possible >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other >>>>>>>>>> suggestions on how to proceed, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a >>>>>>>>>> doodle for a follow up >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it >>>>>>>>>> would be great >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of >>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. If you could fill >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much >>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call >>>>>>>>>> to decide next >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so >>>>>>>>>> thank you to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your >>>>>>>>>> views if you can, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will >>>>>>>>>> feed into the next set >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, >>>>>>>>>> please see a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of >>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. Following a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as >>>>>>>>>> well as members of IGC, it >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to >>>>>>>>>> gather views of all members. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information >>>>>>>>>> note which >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and >>>>>>>>>> links to the summaries of >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are >>>>>>>>>> invited to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions >>>>>>>>>> in a timely way, please >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views! >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call >>>>>>>>>> yesterday. For >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find >>>>>>>>>> the list of participants >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways >>>>>>>>>> forward for >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in >>>>>>>>>> December and the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both >>>>>>>>>> Bestbits and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling >>>>>>>>>> their objectives, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we >>>>>>>>>> agreed to circulate a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on >>>>>>>>>> four suggested ways forward >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested >>>>>>>>>> that this survey with >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on >>>>>>>>>> the future of the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly >>>>>>>>>> to both lists shortly, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly >>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on >>>>>>>>>> next steps is >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM >>>>>>>>>> UTC*. The full >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and >>>>>>>>>> I've updated the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad < >>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems >>>>>>>>>> the best time >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The >>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are >>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. >>>>>>>>>> Looking forward >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the >>>>>>>>>> 11th! >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways * >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: * >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC < >>>>>>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: * >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc >>>>>>>>>> -or-199.48.152.152 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone : >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Dial: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers) >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Enter Conference ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone >>>>>>>>>> number will >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like >>>>>>>>>> to record and share the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing >>>>>>>>>> list. Please let us know if >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an >>>>>>>>>> open mailing list if you >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: * >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and >>>>>>>>>> IGC lists, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other >>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>>> issues faced in >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists >>>>>>>>>> as information sharing >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process >>>>>>>>>> for decision >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad* >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated >>>>>>>>>> they were available for >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits >>>>>>>>>> member you can join the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is >>>>>>>>>> just to have a vague idea >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this >>>>>>>>>> topic, and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their >>>>>>>>>> perspectives and the relevant >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to >>>>>>>>>> touch base >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way >>>>>>>>>> forward. The discussions here >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and >>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh has kindly offered to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second >>>>>>>>>> call to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>>> issues faced >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using >>>>>>>>>> lists as information sharing >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on >>>>>>>>>> process for >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last >>>>>>>>>> call, we >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but >>>>>>>>>> that we also reach out to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background >>>>>>>>>> and inform the discussion >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the >>>>>>>>>> end of next >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and >>>>>>>>>> send the conference room link >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, >>>>>>>>>> and have a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line >>>>>>>>>> with what Nnenna and Jeremy >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working >>>>>>>>>> together within IGC and Bestbits >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again >>>>>>>>>> really improve participation? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs >>>>>>>>>> to be done, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people >>>>>>>>>> who started >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same >>>>>>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems >>>>>>>>>> unlikely that >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC >>>>>>>>>> (which many >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently >>>>>>>>>> having some difficulty with >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management >>>>>>>>>> tasks for the group. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss >>>>>>>>>> issues and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way >>>>>>>>>> to do that now or do we need >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm < >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first >>>>>>>>>> Steering Committee >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits - >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how >>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while >>>>>>>>>> since it had >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, >>>>>>>>>> the 2012 ITU >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on >>>>>>>>>> joint action >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both >>>>>>>>>> inside and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer >>>>>>>>>> steering >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that >>>>>>>>>> had driven >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. >>>>>>>>>> There were >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various >>>>>>>>>> participants having >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their >>>>>>>>>> own funding. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly >>>>>>>>>> lightweight and >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of >>>>>>>>>> accountability resulted in >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate >>>>>>>>>> set of rules >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and >>>>>>>>>> people weren't >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating >>>>>>>>>> that the more >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for >>>>>>>>>> that. But I >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much >>>>>>>>>> time to it as >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my >>>>>>>>>> new nonprofit >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' >>>>>>>>>> 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O - >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on >>>>>>>>>> the list: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>>>> > 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>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>>>> 114D 173B >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>>>> 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 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The panel discusses the issues and outcomes of the *ICANN 65 public meeting* in Marrakech, Morocco, June 24-27, 2019. *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/icann65ny * *TWITTER: @isocny #icann65 http://bit.ly/2GjKLhz * *Permalink* https://isoc.live/11220/ \ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joly at punkcast.com Fri Jul 19 11:31:43 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:31:43 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: ICANN65: What Happened in Marrakech? (NYC) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SLIDES: http://isoc-ny.org/misc/ICANN65_NY_Readout.pdf On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM Joly MacFie wrote: > An edited version of last Monday's readout in NYC. News of GDPR, new > gTLDs, ICANN fellowships and more. > > [image: livestream] > Today,* Friday July 19 2019*, at *11am EDT* (15:00 UTC) the *Internet > Society Livestream Channel * will > webcast "*ICANN 65: What happened in Marrakech? > *", > which was a panel presented by the *Internet Society New York Chapter > * (ISOC-NY), in association with the *Internet > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers * (ICANN) > at Civic Hall in NYC on July 15. Speakers include *Joe Catapano* (Director > of Stakeholder Engagement North America, ICANN), *Chris Mondini* (Vice > President, Global Business Engagement, ICANN), *Greg Shatan* (President, > ISOC-NY and Partner, Moses & Singer LLP) and *Judith Hellerstein*, > (NARALO). 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 11:56:56 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:56:56 -0300 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: <1739116079.4258943.1563543679162@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> <1594736095.4266100.1563539463511@mail.yahoo.com> <945406593.4285114.1563542743314@mail.yahoo.com> <1739116079.4258943.1563543679162@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah, so! I was just looking at my archives and I was running uncontested at the time. But, for reference, the following were the announcement emails. Best, Bruna _______________ Dear IGC members, I would like to use this opportunity to bring to your attention this wonderful news that we have a new Co-coordinator, joining me in this role to support this group. Her name is *Bruna Martins dos Santos (Bruna Santos), from Brazil*. She was chosen based on the following process: A call for nominations for a new co-co was sent to the list on April 27, 2017 and was supposed to close on May 10th, giving ample time for us to carry the nomination process. Several reminders, as promised, were sent by Arsene Tungali, the last one being a day prior to the expiration of the nomination process. Please see pasted bellow the call sent, just for record: ---Message begins-- Dear colleagues, It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called “Co-coordinators”. I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only saw it later on when the system was restored back. We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: - Your full name - Your country of origin and of residence - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the IGC? (Max 200 words) - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new co-coordinator. You can check duties and responsibilities on our website (www.igcaucus.org) I do encourage all of you who wish to have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. Kind regards, Arsene IGC Co-coordinator ---Message ends--- We received the nomination from Ms. Bruna Martins sent to the list on May 9 th expressing her interest to join this voluntary leadership position. Her statement of interest as well as her vision for this group are pasted bellow for your record (at the end of this email). She received public expression of support from Michael Oghia, Evelynn Namara and Renata Aquino and no one had a negative view on her candidacy. Given the fact that she was the only one, we will not proceed to the next phase which was to organize a poll but I suggest we immediately consider her into the role, as our new second Co-coordinator, serving from May 2017 to May 2019. As a reminder, my term will expire on or around February 2018 and she will be responsible to carry the election for the new Co-coordinator. I will leave this open for the next few days should anyone *has any comment on the process or anyone has a strong feeling about why Bruna Santos should not be considered for this role in line of the above explained process.* Please, do state why you think she will do great or not in your comment (that can be sent to me privately or directly to the list). On Monday, May 15th, I will send a final email based on the feedback that I will have received. Best regards, Arsene, IGC Co-coordinator Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:41, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : > Bruna, can you share the email of election result...... > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:36:42 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: > > > You are right Bruna. But I guess the website was not updated because of > the issues at that time. Maybe that can be recovered by checking email > archived from people. I'm sorry I don't have that information. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < > bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear all, > > From what I recall, the last elections we held were mine, no ? Can we > recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the > numbers are that different ? > > best, > Bruna Santos > > Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > > Right. > Thanks > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear Imran, > What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really > happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > > >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with > you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or > contents copy as text... > > As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list > regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total > number of ballots issued. > > Thanks and Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Let me know who to share it with. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear all > > I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years > archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can > contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be > great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are > in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for > a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster > such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I > will be intermittently responding from here on end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further > comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. > We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise > in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can > continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can > oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the > community. > > If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. > > *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* > > *Website Development Team* > > *Confirmed* > > - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) > - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) > - Farzaneh Badii (technical) > - Ian Peter (content) > - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) > > *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* > > - Avri Doria > - Akinremi Peter > > > *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm > > *Suggested General Strategy* > > - To create a Project Timeline > - To develop a Site Map > - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on > the site > - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team > - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members > to comment > - Launch the website > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or all are eligible?.... or previous election will be assumed as last election?? Regards Imran On Friday, 19 July 2019, 20:57:30 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Ah, so! I was just looking at my archives and I was running uncontested at the time. But, for reference, the following were the announcement emails.  Best, Bruna  _______________ Dear IGC members, I would like to use this opportunity to bring to your attention this wonderful news that we have a new Co-coordinator, joining me in this role to support this group. Her name is Bruna Martins dos Santos (Bruna Santos), from Brazil. She was chosen based on the following process: A call for nominations for a new co-co was sent to the list on April 27, 2017 and was supposed to close on May 10th, giving ample time for us to carry the nomination process. Several reminders, as promised, were sent by Arsene Tungali, the last one being a day prior to the expiration of the nomination process. Please see pasted bellow the call sent, just for record: ---Message begins-- Dear colleagues, It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called “Co-coordinators”.  I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only saw it later on when the system was restored back. We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: -          Your full name -          Your country of origin and of residence -          Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) -          Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the IGC? (Max 200 words) -          What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new co-coordinator.  You can check duties and responsibilities on our website (www.igcaucus.org) I do encourage all of you who wish to have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. Kind regards, Arsene IGC Co-coordinator ---Message ends--- We received the nomination from Ms. Bruna Martins sent to the list on May 9th expressing her interest to join this voluntary leadership position. Her statement of interest as well as her vision for this group are pasted bellow for your record (at the end of this email). She received public expression of support from Michael Oghia, Evelynn Namara and Renata Aquino and no one had a negative view on her candidacy. Given the fact that she was the only one, we will not proceed to the next phase which was to organize a poll but I suggest we immediately consider her into the role, as our new second Co-coordinator, serving from May 2017 to May 2019. As a reminder, my term will expire on or around February 2018 and she will be responsible to carry the election for the new Co-coordinator. I will leave this open for the next few days should anyone has any comment on the process or anyone has a strong feeling about why Bruna Santos should not be considered for this role in line of the above explained process. Please, do state why you think she will do great or not in your comment (that can be sent to me privately or directly to the list). On Monday, May 15th, I will send a final email based on the feedback that I will have received. Best regards, Arsene, IGC Co-coordinator Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:41, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : Bruna, can you share the email of election result...... On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:36:42 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: You are right Bruna. But I guess the website was not updated because of the issues at that time. Maybe that can be recovered by checking email archived from people. I'm sorry I don't have that information.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Dear all,  >From what I recall, the last elections we held were mine, no ? Can we recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the numbers are that different ?  best, Bruna Santos  Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : Right.Thanks On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear Imran,What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up.  On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members. Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or contents copy as text...  As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total number of ballots issued. Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: Dear All, I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and members.  Let me know who to share it with.  Regards.Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: followed by Migration and website maintenance.  Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start.  Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks Website Development Team Confirmed - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter  (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions - Avri Doria  - Akinremi Peter Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm Suggested General Strategy - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." 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How should we amend the charter (procedurally etc)[this is when your question comes into play] Best Farzaneh On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:38 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Hi, Bruna. > This reminds to congratulate on uncontested, but it leaves here a big > question about eligible voters for the charter amendment approval. > > Charter refer to the last election. ... > If no election was held, ... is there no one eligible?..... Or all are > eligible?.... or previous election will be assumed as last election?? > > Regards > > Imran > > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 20:57:30 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Ah, so! I was just looking at my archives and I was running uncontested at > the time. But, for reference, the following were the announcement emails. > > Best, > Bruna > _______________ > > > Dear IGC members, > > > I would like to use this opportunity to bring to your attention this > wonderful news that we have a new Co-coordinator, joining me in this role > to support this group. Her name is *Bruna Martins dos Santos (Bruna > Santos), from Brazil*. She was chosen based on the following process: > > > A call for nominations for a new co-co was sent to the list on April 27, > 2017 and was supposed to close on May 10th, giving ample time for us to > carry the nomination process. Several reminders, as promised, were sent by > Arsene Tungali, the last one being a day prior to the expiration of the > nomination process. > > > Please see pasted bellow the call sent, just for record: > > > ---Message begins-- > > Dear colleagues, > > > It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace Analía > who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me (Arsene). > As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called > “Co-coordinators”. > > > I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start > this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but > also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our > workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an > usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch > this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only > saw it later on when the system was restored back. > > > We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with > them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as > Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is > to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and > attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: > > - Your full name > > - Your country of origin and of residence > > - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with > IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) > > - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the IGC? > (Max 200 words) > > - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? > Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as > priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) > > > The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, > 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles > and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new > co-coordinator. > > > You can check duties and responsibilities on our website (www.igcaucus.org > ) > > I do encourage all of you who wish to have a > different experience with international advocacy or Internet public policy > issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group so we > need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. > > > Kind regards, > > Arsene > > IGC Co-coordinator > > > ---Message ends--- > > > We received the nomination from Ms. Bruna Martins sent to the list on May 9 > th expressing her interest to join this voluntary leadership position. > Her statement of interest as well as her vision for this group are pasted > bellow for your record (at the end of this email). She received public > expression of support from Michael Oghia, Evelynn Namara and Renata Aquino > and no one had a negative view on her candidacy. > > > Given the fact that she was the only one, we will not proceed to the next > phase which was to organize a poll but I suggest we immediately consider > her into the role, as our new second Co-coordinator, serving from May 2017 > to May 2019. As a reminder, my term will expire on or around February 2018 > and she will be responsible to carry the election for the new > Co-coordinator. > > > I will leave this open for the next few days should anyone *has any > comment on the process or anyone has a strong feeling about why Bruna > Santos should not be considered for this role in line of the above > explained process.* Please, do state why you think she will do great or > not in your comment (that can be sent to me privately or directly to the > list). On Monday, May 15th, I will send a final email based on the > feedback that I will have received. > > > Best regards, > > Arsene, IGC Co-coordinator > > Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:41, Imran Ahmed Shah a > écrit : > > Bruna, can you share the email of election result...... > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:36:42 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: > > > You are right Bruna. But I guess the website was not updated because of > the issues at that time. Maybe that can be recovered by checking email > archived from people. I'm sorry I don't have that information. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < > bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear all, > > From what I recall, the last elections we held were mine, no ? Can we > recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the > numbers are that different ? > > best, > Bruna Santos > > Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > > Right. > Thanks > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear Imran, > What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really > happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > > >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available with > you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or > contents copy as text... > > As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list > regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total > number of ballots issued. > > Thanks and Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and > members. > > Let me know who to share it with. > > Regards. > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear all > > I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years > archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can > contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be > great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are > in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for > a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster > such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I > will be intermittently responding from here on end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further > comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. > We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise > in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can > continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can > oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the > community. > > If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. > > *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* > > *Website Development Team* > > *Confirmed* > > - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) > - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) > - Farzaneh Badii (technical) > - Ian Peter (content) > - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) > > *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* > > - Avri Doria > - Akinremi Peter > > > *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm > > *Suggested General Strategy* > > - To create a Project Timeline > - To develop a Site Map > - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on > the site > - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team > - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members > to comment > - Launch the website > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > > > -- > > > Peter Taiwo Akinremi > about.me/petertaiwoakinremi > > > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course we need to have the members listed at some point on the website but the revival of the website should be kept separately and not dependent on elections etc because otherwise we will be delayed. My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical knowledge whatsoever) For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages at this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link and a join us page up. When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are ready we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward and can be done quickly. unless you think there might be technical issues. Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple design that provides an accessible page for us so that people know who we are! I think our old website design was good. https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about Farzaneh On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >> community. >> >> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >> >> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >> >> *Website Development Team* >> >> *Confirmed* >> >> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >> - Ian Peter (content) >> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >> >> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >> >> - Avri Doria >> - Akinremi Peter >> >> >> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >> >> *Suggested General Strategy* >> >> - To create a Project Timeline >> - To develop a Site Map >> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on >> the site >> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members >> to comment >> - Launch the website >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Under the procedural rules of the current version of the Charter, a proposal to amend the Charter must be "proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members", and it succeeds only if the change proposal is "approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC"; that is clarified as follows: "In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter." In view of these hurdles, the only reasonable interpretation is to understand the term "the previous election" as referring to the last election where actual voting has taken place. But practically speaking, I would suggest that it makes little sense to initiate a charter amendment process unless there was an election (with actual voting) recently. Otherwise the likelihood is too great that more than a third of the people who voted in the last election are not currently actively following the list, and then the proposal will fail for lack of receiving enough positive votes, no matter how strong a consensus there might otherwise be in support of the proposal. I would further suggest that it would be wise to have an appeals team in place, as foreseen in the IGC Charter, before any attempt is made to revise the Charter. Otherwise there is no legitimate way of resolving any disagreements in regard to whether a proposal to amend the Charter was successful. That could be bad. Right now we at least know what the IGC Charter is. Greetings, Norbert From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Jul 19 16:04:19 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:04:19 +0000 Subject: [governance] Procedural rules for amendment of the charter In-Reply-To: <20190719194525.400951ce@quill> References: <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274@mail.yahoo.com> <20190719194525.400951ce@quill> Message-ID: Thanks for making that all clear Norbert. In fact I believe the last attempted charter amendments failed, despite a 70 for, 4 against vote - because the number of voters did not equate with the requisite 2/3 percentage of "members" . So that area is difficult and best left to one side for now. But yes, once cocos are in place a revival of the appeals team would also seem appropriate. One step at a time.... Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Norbert Bollow" To: governance at lists.riseup.net Sent: 20/07/2019 3:45:25 AM Subject: [governance] Procedural rules for amendment of the charter >On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:37:40 +0000 (UTC) >Imran Ahmed Shah" wrote: > >> Hi, Bruna.This reminds to congratulate on uncontested, but it leaves >> here a big question about eligible voters for the charter amendment >> approval. Charter refer to the last election. ...If no election was >> held, ... is there no one eligible?..... Or all are eligible?.... or >> previous election will be assumed as last election?? > >Under the procedural rules of the current version of the Charter, a >proposal to amend the Charter must be "proposed by no fewer than ten >(10) members", and it succeeds only if the change proposal is "approved >by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC"; that is >clarified as follows: "In amending the charter, everyone who voted in >the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter." > >In view of these hurdles, the only reasonable interpretation is to >understand the term "the previous election" as referring to the last >election where actual voting has taken place. > >But practically speaking, I would suggest that it makes little sense to >initiate a charter amendment process unless there was an election (with >actual voting) recently. Otherwise the likelihood is too great that more >than a third of the people who voted in the last election are not >currently actively following the list, and then the proposal will fail >for lack of receiving enough positive votes, no matter how strong a >consensus there might otherwise be in support of the proposal. > >I would further suggest that it would be wise to have an appeals team in >place, as foreseen in the IGC Charter, before any attempt is made to >revise the Charter. Otherwise there is no legitimate way of resolving >any disagreements in regard to whether a proposal to amend the Charter >was successful. That could be bad. Right now we at least know what the >IGC Charter is. > >Greetings, >Norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Jul 19 16:15:00 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:15:00 +0000 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: I agree Farzaneh, that could be done very quickly. First question - where is the new site going to be hosted? Once that is resolved we can start a build as you suggest - and lots of people here capable of doing this! Are there offers of a place to host the site? Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "farzaneh badii" To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Cc: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "governance" Sent: 20/07/2019 3:13:24 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >Thank you Sala for being proactive. > >What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website >revival and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of >course we need to have the members listed at some point on the website >but the revival of the website should be kept separately and not >dependent on elections etc because otherwise we will be delayed. > >My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical >knowledge whatsoever) > >For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages at >this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link and >a join us page up. > >When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are >ready we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward and >can be done quickly. unless you think there might be technical issues. > >Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' >list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. > >As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple >design that provides an accessible page for us so that people know who >we are! I think our old website design was good. > >https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about > > > > >Farzaneh > > >On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: >>Hi Sala, >> >>earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new >>website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this >>happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path >>forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline >>to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements? In any case I >>would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. >> >>Ian >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>To: "governance" >>Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >>Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was >>IGC Website (Way Forward) >> >>>Dear All. >>> >>>I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be >>>good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting >>>today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of >>>observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see >>>Excel spreadsheet that is attached. >>> >>>For a bird's eye view: >>> >>>Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png >>> >>> >>>followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>> >>>Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png >>> >>> >>> >>>Kind Regards, >>>Sala >>> >>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> wrote: >>>>Dear All, >>>> >>>>We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>>>comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to >>>>help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people >>>>who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can >>>>start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in >>>>whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project >>>>lead, report back to Bruna and the community. >>>> >>>>If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >>>> >>>>Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks >>>> >>>>Website Development Team >>>> >>>>Confirmed >>>>Imran Ahmed Shah (technical)Tapani Tarvainen (technical)Farzaneh >>>>Badii (technical)Ian Peter (content)Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>(content) >>>>Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions >>>>Avri Doria Akinremi Peter >>>> >>>>Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm >>>> >>>>Suggested General Strategy >>>>To create a Project TimelineTo develop a Site MapTo find archived >>>>information for the purposes of restoring these on the siteDevelop a >>>>Technical Team and a Content TeamOnce this is ready, can invite all >>>>former coordinators and members to commentLaunch the website >>>> >>>>Kind Regards, >>>>Sala >>>> >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:12:47 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Dear All, 1.The website is independent of elections. 2.On a practical note, it would be good to have a technical co-lead, suggest Imran Ahmed. 3.Perhaps, Farzaneh, you can draft a site map and invite us to comment. 4.In the meantime, there should be a plan for content management which is where you will need both Technical and Content. To this end, I suggest we rope in Avri who volunteered to assist if called upon on the 19th July, 2019. Best Wishes, Sala On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm farzaneh badii, wrote: > Thank you Sala for being proactive. > > What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website revival > and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of course we need > to have the members listed at some point on the website but the revival of > the website should be kept separately and not dependent on elections etc > because otherwise we will be delayed. > > My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical knowledge > whatsoever) > > For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages at > this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link and a > join us page up. > > When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are ready > we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward and can be > done quickly. unless you think there might be technical issues. > > Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' list > and create the other pages, gather archives etc. > > As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple design > that provides an accessible page for us so that people know who we are! I > think our old website design was good. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about > > > > > Farzaneh > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sala, >> >> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >> suggests we proceed. >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC >> Website (Way Forward) >> >> Dear All. >> >> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good >> for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >> attached. >> >> For a bird's eye view: >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >> >> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >>> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >>> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >>> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >>> community. >>> >>> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >>> >>> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >>> >>> *Website Development Team* >>> >>> *Confirmed* >>> >>> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >>> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >>> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >>> - Ian Peter (content) >>> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>> >>> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >>> >>> - Avri Doria >>> - Akinremi Peter >>> >>> >>> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >>> >>> *Suggested General Strategy* >>> >>> - To create a Project Timeline >>> - To develop a Site Map >>> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these >>> on the site >>> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >>> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members >>> to comment >>> - Launch the website >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >>> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The option to join the IGC is simply to subscribe and commit to accepting the Charter. On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 2:45 pm Sheetal Kumar, wrote: > Dear all, > > Thank you to those who have filled out the doodle. You'll find the meeting > details below. > > *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC > > To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and > follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using > computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. > > > Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps > > > *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min > > London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) > > Host: Global Partners Digital > > > Join > > > > *Agenda:* > 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process > 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to > expect? > 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline > 4) AOB > > I look forward to speaking to many of you soon! > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 15:57, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Thank you to those who have already filled in the doodle to discuss next >> steps. This is just a polite reminder to fill in the doodle if you haven't >> already. You can find it here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >> I'll send around the confirmation of the date at the end of next week, so >> please do indicate your availability by 25 July. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits >>> into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore >>> we will proceed with this course of action. >>> >>> I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps, >>> including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in >>> November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for >>> 2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we >>> suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a >>> revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process >>> for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the >>> information is communicated in a clear and transparent way. >>> >>> Please indicate your availability for this call here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>> >>> Thanks everyone! >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Sheetal, >>>> >>>> I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I >>>> have no further inputs. >>>> >>>> Poncelet >>>> >>>> Kind Regards >>>> >>>> Poncelet >>>> >>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see >>>>> support for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle >>>>> reminder to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've >>>>> recopied in italics below. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Sheetal. >>>>> >>>>> *Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis* >>>>> >>>>> *Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>> . There was a need >>>>> identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that >>>>> opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise >>>>> from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>>>> framework should be developed.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be >>>>> no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July >>>>> 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do >>>>> get in touch with us.* >>>>> >>>>> *Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), >>>>> Pavitra Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression), >>>>> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Agenda followed:* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4) >>>>> Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on >>>>> roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps * >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> A better option. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Remmy Nweke >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or >>>>>>> Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward >>>>>>> our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see >>>>>>> agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>>>>> a summary of here: >>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. There was a >>>>>>> need identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation >>>>>>> that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will >>>>>>> arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>>>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>>>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>>>>>> framework should be developed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should >>>>>>> there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented >>>>>>> after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, >>>>>>> please do get in touch with us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra >>>>>>> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of >>>>>>> Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Agenda followed: >>>>>>> 1) Introductions >>>>>>> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? >>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to >>>>>>> be? >>>>>>> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our >>>>>>>> meeting in Tunis tomorrow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please >>>>>>>> drop me a line if you can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please find the details below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *What/the agenda: * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? >>>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to >>>>>>>> be? (1-1.5 hours)* >>>>>>>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45 >>>>>>>> minutes) * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do let me know if you have any questions! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Best* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to >>>>>>>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Room Dougga >>>>>>>>> - June 11, *9am-12:30pm * >>>>>>>>> - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be >>>>>>>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet >>>>>>>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed >>>>>>>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope to see many of you soon! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies >>>>>>>>>> off-thread expressing interest in the effort. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at >>>>>>>>>> the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you >>>>>>>>>> be at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On the way forward: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like >>>>>>>>>> to attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd >>>>>>>>>> like to accommodate everyone who can attend >>>>>>>>>> - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then >>>>>>>>>> please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and >>>>>>>>>> you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we >>>>>>>>>> have good wifi) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov < >>>>>>>>>> ba2482 at columbia.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire >>>>>>>>>>> if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter! >>>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W >>>>>>>>>>> McKnight >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi >>>>>>>>>>> Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in >>>>>>>>>>> Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on >>>>>>>>>>> Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a >>>>>>>>>>> Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led >>>>>>>>>>> to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and >>>>>>>>>>> Principles among other positive outcomes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of >>>>>>>>>>> this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the >>>>>>>>>>> cross-CS coordination right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and >>>>>>>>>>> methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at >>>>>>>>>>> times to this prof). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net < >>>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian >>>>>>>>>>> muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> >>>>>>>>>>> < governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of >>>>>>>>>>> those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants >>>>>>>>>>> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), >>>>>>>>>>> see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going >>>>>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a >>>>>>>>>>> day 0 event at IGF >>>>>>>>>>> - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal >>>>>>>>>>> steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as >>>>>>>>>>> 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation >>>>>>>>>>> of the event however they see fit >>>>>>>>>>> - Members of other lists are invited to join once an >>>>>>>>>>> informal agenda has been put together >>>>>>>>>>> - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this >>>>>>>>>>> effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of >>>>>>>>>>> focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already >>>>>>>>>>> been proposed) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like >>>>>>>>>>> we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree >>>>>>>>>>> that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global >>>>>>>>>>> level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting >>>>>>>>>>> together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to >>>>>>>>>>> these efforts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please provide your views on this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the >>>>>>>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary >>>>>>>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should >>>>>>>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions >>>>>>>>>>> about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the >>>>>>>>>>> call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to >>>>>>>>>>> work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and >>>>>>>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported >>>>>>>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the >>>>>>>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage >>>>>>>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, >>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC >>>>>>>>>>> would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant >>>>>>>>>>> of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put >>>>>>>>>>> something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback >>>>>>>>>>> before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple >>>>>>>>>>> proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the >>>>>>>>>>> call wants to chime in with more information please do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen < >>>>>>>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will >>>>>>>>>>> report on the meeting. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under >>>>>>>>>>> an hour at 1 >>>>>>>>>>> > PM UTC (see the link below). >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Best >>>>>>>>>>> > Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Meeting room details >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Meeting ID >>>>>>>>>>> > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>>>> > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear all >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on >>>>>>>>>>> *Wednesday, >>>>>>>>>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further >>>>>>>>>>> below too. >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Best >>>>>>>>>>> > > Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Meeting room details >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Meeting ID >>>>>>>>>>> > > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers >>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion >>>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with >>>>>>>>>>> anyone relevant. >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > Suggested agenda >>>>>>>>>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of >>>>>>>>>>> what's happened >>>>>>>>>>> > > so far >>>>>>>>>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> Dear Akinremi, >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the >>>>>>>>>>> participants of >>>>>>>>>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that >>>>>>>>>>> "discussion about >>>>>>>>>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group". If riseup.net >>>>>>>>>>> is working, >>>>>>>>>>> > >> then I do not have concerns. >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org >>>>>>>>>>> mailbox is not >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net >>>>>>>>>>> mailing-list. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to >>>>>>>>>>> do so as to be >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> able to help. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the >>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits list to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a >>>>>>>>>>> different problem. The >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is >>>>>>>>>>> managing the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Governance lists please? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be >>>>>>>>>>> limited to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging >>>>>>>>>>> should be limited to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of >>>>>>>>>>> an independent >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the >>>>>>>>>>> group should cease >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the >>>>>>>>>>> IGC group wants IGC >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some >>>>>>>>>>> contacts on the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you >>>>>>>>>>> are referring to. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any >>>>>>>>>>> privacy issue that >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light >>>>>>>>>>> on this. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part >>>>>>>>>>> of our >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society >>>>>>>>>>> organization in the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing >>>>>>>>>>> many hat remains. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited >>>>>>>>>>> response, only >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list? >>>>>>>>>>> Possibly the poll >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed >>>>>>>>>>> only to the IGC list. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of >>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits" rather than >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society". >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement >>>>>>>>>>> in these >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society >>>>>>>>>>> coordination, and I know >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. >>>>>>>>>>> The conversations have >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the >>>>>>>>>>> current situation >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination >>>>>>>>>>> network), and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil >>>>>>>>>>> society coordination >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey >>>>>>>>>>> which gathered a >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached >>>>>>>>>>> a summary report of >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris >>>>>>>>>>> there was discussion >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we >>>>>>>>>>> do that however, it >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey >>>>>>>>>>> and agree a way >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. >>>>>>>>>>> It would be >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can >>>>>>>>>>> confirm the date and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda* >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and >>>>>>>>>>> contributions so far! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the >>>>>>>>>>> survey. I have >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, >>>>>>>>>>> with a summary included >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the >>>>>>>>>>> first half >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way >>>>>>>>>>> forward (45 minutes-1 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with >>>>>>>>>>> IGC founders and other >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a >>>>>>>>>>> separate call too. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been >>>>>>>>>>> to find a way >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and >>>>>>>>>>> thus to change >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help >>>>>>>>>>> in finding a way >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to >>>>>>>>>>> the widest possible >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other >>>>>>>>>>> suggestions on how to proceed, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a >>>>>>>>>>> doodle for a follow up >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it >>>>>>>>>>> would be great >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of >>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. If you could fill >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much >>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call >>>>>>>>>>> to decide next >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so >>>>>>>>>>> thank you to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your >>>>>>>>>>> views if you can, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will >>>>>>>>>>> feed into the next set >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, >>>>>>>>>>> please see a >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of >>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. Following a >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as >>>>>>>>>>> well as members of IGC, it >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to >>>>>>>>>>> gather views of all members. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information >>>>>>>>>>> note which >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and >>>>>>>>>>> links to the summaries of >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are >>>>>>>>>>> invited to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions >>>>>>>>>>> in a timely way, please >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call >>>>>>>>>>> yesterday. For >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find >>>>>>>>>>> the list of participants >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways >>>>>>>>>>> forward for >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation >>>>>>>>>>> in December and the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both >>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling >>>>>>>>>>> their objectives, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we >>>>>>>>>>> agreed to circulate a >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on >>>>>>>>>>> four suggested ways forward >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was >>>>>>>>>>> suggested that this survey with >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on >>>>>>>>>>> the future of the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly >>>>>>>>>>> to both lists shortly, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly >>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on >>>>>>>>>>> next steps is >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM >>>>>>>>>>> UTC*. The full >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and >>>>>>>>>>> I've updated the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad < >>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems >>>>>>>>>>> the best time >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. >>>>>>>>>>> The full >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are >>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on >>>>>>>>>>> the 11th! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways * >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: * >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC < >>>>>>>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: * >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc >>>>>>>>>>> -or-199.48.152.152 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone : >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Dial: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers >>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Enter Conference ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone >>>>>>>>>>> number will >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would >>>>>>>>>>> like to record and share the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing >>>>>>>>>>> list. Please let us know if >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on >>>>>>>>>>> an open mailing list if you >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: * >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>> and IGC lists, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other >>>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>>>> issues faced in >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists >>>>>>>>>>> as information sharing >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on >>>>>>>>>>> process for decision >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad* >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who >>>>>>>>>>> indicated they were available for >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>> member you can join the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this >>>>>>>>>>> is just to have a vague idea >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this >>>>>>>>>>> topic, and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their >>>>>>>>>>> perspectives and the relevant >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to >>>>>>>>>>> touch base >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way >>>>>>>>>>> forward. The discussions here >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and >>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh has kindly offered to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second >>>>>>>>>>> call to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>>>> issues faced >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using >>>>>>>>>>> lists as information sharing >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on >>>>>>>>>>> process for >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last >>>>>>>>>>> call, we >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but >>>>>>>>>>> that we also reach out to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background >>>>>>>>>>> and inform the discussion >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the >>>>>>>>>>> end of next >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and >>>>>>>>>>> send the conference room link >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams >>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with >>>>>>>>>>> care, and have a >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in >>>>>>>>>>> line with what Nnenna and Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working >>>>>>>>>>> together within IGC and Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups >>>>>>>>>>> again really improve participation? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what >>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the >>>>>>>>>>> people who started >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same >>>>>>>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems >>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider >>>>>>>>>>> IRPC (which many >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently >>>>>>>>>>> having some difficulty with >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out >>>>>>>>>>> management tasks for the group. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss >>>>>>>>>>> issues and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right >>>>>>>>>>> way to do that now or do we need >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm < >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first >>>>>>>>>>> Steering Committee >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits - >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how >>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become >>>>>>>>>>> toxic and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a >>>>>>>>>>> while since it had >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same >>>>>>>>>>> time, the 2012 ITU >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on >>>>>>>>>>> joint action >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both >>>>>>>>>>> inside and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first >>>>>>>>>>> volunteer steering >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics >>>>>>>>>>> that had driven >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. >>>>>>>>>>> There were >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various >>>>>>>>>>> participants having >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their >>>>>>>>>>> own funding. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly >>>>>>>>>>> lightweight and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of >>>>>>>>>>> accountability resulted in >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate >>>>>>>>>>> set of rules >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and >>>>>>>>>>> people weren't >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating >>>>>>>>>>> that the more >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all >>>>>>>>>>> for that. But I >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much >>>>>>>>>>> time to it as >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my >>>>>>>>>>> new nonprofit >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' >>>>>>>>>>> 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O - >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on >>>>>>>>>>> the list: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 16:17:50 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:17:50 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Farzaneh, What Imran is referring to is traditionally, the IGC websites retain election results on the website which shows voting members. He is merely addressing content aspects of restoring the website. Whilst it impacts on future voting by those within the IGC. Hope this helps. Sala On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 5:54 pm farzaneh badii, wrote: > Imran > > These are great questions and we need to certainly keep them in mind but I > think it is a bit premature to discuss them. > > > Basically, we need to discuss the following questions: > 1. Why should we amend the charter > 2. What should be amended > 3. How should we amend the charter (procedurally etc)[this is when your > question comes into play] > > > > Best > > Farzaneh > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:38 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Hi, Bruna. >> This reminds to congratulate on uncontested, but it leaves here a big >> question about eligible voters for the charter amendment approval. >> >> Charter refer to the last election. ... >> If no election was held, ... is there no one eligible?..... Or all are >> eligible?.... or previous election will be assumed as last election?? >> >> Regards >> >> Imran >> >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 20:57:30 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Ah, so! I was just looking at my archives and I was running uncontested >> at the time. But, for reference, the following were the announcement >> emails. >> >> Best, >> Bruna >> _______________ >> >> >> Dear IGC members, >> >> >> I would like to use this opportunity to bring to your attention this >> wonderful news that we have a new Co-coordinator, joining me in this role >> to support this group. Her name is *Bruna Martins dos Santos (Bruna >> Santos), from Brazil*. She was chosen based on the following process: >> >> >> A call for nominations for a new co-co was sent to the list on April 27, >> 2017 and was supposed to close on May 10th, giving ample time for us to >> carry the nomination process. Several reminders, as promised, were sent by >> Arsene Tungali, the last one being a day prior to the expiration of the >> nomination process. >> >> >> Please see pasted bellow the call sent, just for record: >> >> >> ---Message begins-- >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> >> It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >> Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me >> (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called >> “Co-coordinators”. >> >> >> I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start >> this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but >> also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our >> workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an >> usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch >> this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only >> saw it later on when the system was restored back. >> >> >> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with >> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as >> Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is >> to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and >> attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: >> >> - Your full name >> >> - Your country of origin and of residence >> >> - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with >> IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >> >> - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the >> IGC? (Max 200 words) >> >> - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? >> Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as >> priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >> >> >> The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >> 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles >> and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new >> co-coordinator. >> >> >> You can check duties and responsibilities on our website ( >> www.igcaucus.org) >> >> I do encourage all of you who wish to have >> a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public >> policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group >> so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Arsene >> >> IGC Co-coordinator >> >> >> ---Message ends--- >> >> >> We received the nomination from Ms. Bruna Martins sent to the list on May >> 9th expressing her interest to join this voluntary leadership position. >> Her statement of interest as well as her vision for this group are pasted >> bellow for your record (at the end of this email). She received public >> expression of support from Michael Oghia, Evelynn Namara and Renata Aquino >> and no one had a negative view on her candidacy. >> >> >> Given the fact that she was the only one, we will not proceed to the next >> phase which was to organize a poll but I suggest we immediately consider >> her into the role, as our new second Co-coordinator, serving from May 2017 >> to May 2019. As a reminder, my term will expire on or around February 2018 >> and she will be responsible to carry the election for the new >> Co-coordinator. >> >> >> I will leave this open for the next few days should anyone *has any >> comment on the process or anyone has a strong feeling about why Bruna >> Santos should not be considered for this role in line of the above >> explained process.* Please, do state why you think she will do great or >> not in your comment (that can be sent to me privately or directly to the >> list). On Monday, May 15th, I will send a final email based on the >> feedback that I will have received. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Arsene, IGC Co-coordinator >> >> Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:41, Imran Ahmed Shah a >> écrit : >> >> Bruna, can you share the email of election result...... >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:36:42 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> You are right Bruna. But I guess the website was not updated because of >> the issues at that time. Maybe that can be recovered by checking email >> archived from people. I'm sorry I don't have that information. >> >> Regards. >> Peter >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < >> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> From what I recall, the last elections we held were mine, no ? Can we >> recover the communications of that election too in order to check if the >> numbers are that different ? >> >> best, >> Bruna Santos >> >> Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 10:26, Imran Ahmed Shah < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : >> >> Right. >> Thanks >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 18:12:08 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Imran, >> What I have is a content copy as text. I can't recollect what really >> happened that made it impossible for the site to be fully back up. >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Imran Ahmed Shah >> wrote: >> >> >I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and >> members. >> >> Can you please let me know that in which format the text is available >> with you? do you have backup (archived as rar or zip) of drupal website? or >> contents copy as text... >> >> As I asked earlier, we need to know the communication on the list >> regarding election results as well as the count of the voters out of Total >> number of ballots issued. >> >> Thanks and Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 15:21:11 GMT+5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> I also have a complete text of the previous website, including links and >> members. >> >> Let me know who to share it with. >> >> Regards. >> Peter >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM Anriette Esterhuysen >> wrote: >> >> Dear all >> >> I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years >> archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can >> contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. >> >> Anriette >> >> ----------------------------- >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning >> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org >> >> On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance >> Mailing List) wrote: >> >> Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be >> great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are >> in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for >> a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster >> such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I >> will be intermittently responding from here on end. >> >> Best Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Sala, >> >> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >> suggests we proceed. >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC >> Website (Way Forward) >> >> Dear All. >> >> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good >> for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >> attached. >> >> For a bird's eye view: >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >> >> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >> community. >> >> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >> >> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >> >> *Website Development Team* >> >> *Confirmed* >> >> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >> - Ian Peter (content) >> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >> >> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >> >> - Avri Doria >> - Akinremi Peter >> >> >> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >> >> *Suggested General Strategy* >> >> - To create a Project Timeline >> - To develop a Site Map >> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on >> the site >> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members >> to comment >> - Launch the website >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * >> >> *P. O. Box 17862 * >> >> *Suva * >> >> >> *Republic of Fiji * >> >> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >> >> *Home: +679 3362003 * >> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >> >> >> >> >> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." 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Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 29278 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 16:38:09 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:38:09 -0400 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Ok. Here is the suggested site map for the first stage: 1. About Us 2. IGC Charter 3. Join Us As to the host, I can get a company to host us for free for one year. Farzaneh On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > 1.The website is independent of elections. > 2.On a practical note, it would be good to have a technical co-lead, > suggest Imran Ahmed. > 3.Perhaps, Farzaneh, you can draft a site map and invite us to comment. > 4.In the meantime, there should be a plan for content management which is > where you will need both Technical and Content. To this end, I suggest we > rope in Avri who volunteered to assist if called upon on the 19th July, > 2019. > > > > Best Wishes, > Sala > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm farzaneh badii, > wrote: > >> Thank you Sala for being proactive. >> >> What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website revival >> and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of course we need >> to have the members listed at some point on the website but the revival of >> the website should be kept separately and not dependent on elections etc >> because otherwise we will be delayed. >> >> My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical >> knowledge whatsoever) >> >> For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages at >> this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link and a >> join us page up. >> >> When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are ready >> we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward and can be >> done quickly. unless you think there might be technical issues. >> >> Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' >> list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. >> >> As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple design >> that provides an accessible page for us so that people know who we are! I >> think our old website design was good. >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about >> >> >> >> >> Farzaneh >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sala, >>> >>> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >>> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >>> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >>> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >>> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >>> suggests we proceed. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> To: "governance" >>> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >>> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was >>> IGC Website (Way Forward) >>> >>> Dear All. >>> >>> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be >>> good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >>> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >>> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >>> attached. >>> >>> For a bird's eye view: >>> >>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >>> >>> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>> >>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>>> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >>>> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >>>> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >>>> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>>> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >>>> community. >>>> >>>> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >>>> >>>> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >>>> >>>> *Website Development Team* >>>> >>>> *Confirmed* >>>> >>>> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >>>> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >>>> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >>>> - Ian Peter (content) >>>> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>>> >>>> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >>>> >>>> - Avri Doria >>>> - Akinremi Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >>>> >>>> *Suggested General Strategy* >>>> >>>> - To create a Project Timeline >>>> - To develop a Site Map >>>> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these >>>> on the site >>>> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >>>> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and >>>> members to comment >>>> - Launch the website >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at accessnow.org Fri Jul 19 17:21:46 2019 From: peter at accessnow.org (Peter Micek) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:21:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <8f9fafb7-4db1-630e-a4bd-1d5d77ea2042@accessnow.org> I believe it would violate data protection principles to add folks to the IGC list from BestBits (or anywhere else) without their consent. We discussed this at the RightsCon meeting and agreed that any further processing of email addresses would need individual consent. That also provides a convenient opportunity to let people know about the Charter and any other changes they should be aware of in the "merger" (I prefer blossoming or perhaps metamorphosis) process. Peter On 7/19/19 4:14 PM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Can I not be copied into Best Bits mailing list please? > Thanks. > > The option to join the IGC is simply to subscribe and commit to accepting > the Charter. > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 2:45 pm Sheetal Kumar, wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Thank you to those who have filled out the doodle. You'll find the meeting >> details below. >> >> *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC >> >> To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and >> follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using >> computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. >> >> >> Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps >> >> >> *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min >> >> London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) >> >> Host: Global Partners Digital >> >> >> Join >> >> >> >> *Agenda:* >> 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process >> 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to >> expect? >> 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline >> 4) AOB >> >> I look forward to speaking to many of you soon! >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 15:57, Sheetal Kumar >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Thank you to those who have already filled in the doodle to discuss next >>> steps. This is just a polite reminder to fill in the doodle if you haven't >>> already. You can find it here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>> I'll send around the confirmation of the date at the end of next week, so >>> please do indicate your availability by 25 July. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits >>>> into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore >>>> we will proceed with this course of action. >>>> >>>> I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps, >>>> including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in >>>> November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for >>>> 2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we >>>> suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a >>>> revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process >>>> for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the >>>> information is communicated in a clear and transparent way. >>>> >>>> Please indicate your availability for this call here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone! >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Sheetal. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> >>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Sheetal, >>>>> >>>>> I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I >>>>> have no further inputs. >>>>> >>>>> Poncelet >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> >>>>> Poncelet >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see >>>>>> support for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle >>>>>> reminder to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've >>>>>> recopied in italics below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>>>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>> . There was a need >>>>>> identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that >>>>>> opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise >>>>>> from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>>>>> framework should be developed.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be >>>>>> no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July >>>>>> 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do >>>>>> get in touch with us.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), >>>>>> Pavitra Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression), >>>>>> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Agenda followed:* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4) >>>>>> Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on >>>>>> roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps * >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> A better option. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Remmy Nweke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or >>>>>>>> Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward >>>>>>>> our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see >>>>>>>> agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal >>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>>>>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>>>>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>>>>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>>>>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>>>>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>>>>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>>>>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>>>>>> a summary of here: >>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. There was a >>>>>>>> need identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation >>>>>>>> that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will >>>>>>>> arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >>>>>>>> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >>>>>>>> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >>>>>>>> framework should be developed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>>>>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>>>>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>>>>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>>>>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>>>>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>>>>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>>>>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>>>>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>>>>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>>>>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>>>>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>>>>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should >>>>>>>> there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented >>>>>>>> after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, >>>>>>>> please do get in touch with us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra >>>>>>>> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>>>>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>>>>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>>>>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of >>>>>>>> Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Agenda followed: >>>>>>>> 1) Introductions >>>>>>>> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>>>>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? >>>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to >>>>>>>> be? >>>>>>>> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our >>>>>>>>> meeting in Tunis tomorrow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please >>>>>>>>> drop me a line if you can. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please find the details below: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *What/the agenda: * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? >>>>>>>>> Why organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to >>>>>>>>> be? (1-1.5 hours)* >>>>>>>>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>>>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45 >>>>>>>>> minutes) * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do let me know if you have any questions! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Best* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to >>>>>>>>>> plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Room Dougga >>>>>>>>>> - June 11, *9am-12:30pm * >>>>>>>>>> - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be >>>>>>>>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet >>>>>>>>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed >>>>>>>>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope to see many of you soon! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies >>>>>>>>>>> off-thread expressing interest in the effort. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at >>>>>>>>>>> the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you >>>>>>>>>>> be at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On the way forward: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like >>>>>>>>>>> to attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd >>>>>>>>>>> like to accommodate everyone who can attend >>>>>>>>>>> - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then >>>>>>>>>>> please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and >>>>>>>>>>> you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we >>>>>>>>>>> have good wifi) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov < >>>>>>>>>>> ba2482 at columbia.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire >>>>>>>>>>>> if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter! >>>>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W >>>>>>>>>>>> McKnight >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in >>>>>>>>>>>> Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on >>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a >>>>>>>>>>>> Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led >>>>>>>>>>>> to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and >>>>>>>>>>>> Principles among other positive outcomes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of >>>>>>>>>>>> this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the >>>>>>>>>>>> cross-CS coordination right? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and >>>>>>>>>>>> methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at >>>>>>>>>>>> times to this prof). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net < >>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian >>>>>>>>>>>> muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> < governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of >>>>>>>>>>>> those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants >>>>>>>>>>>> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), >>>>>>>>>>>> see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going >>>>>>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a >>>>>>>>>>>> day 0 event at IGF >>>>>>>>>>>> - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal >>>>>>>>>>>> steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation >>>>>>>>>>>> of the event however they see fit >>>>>>>>>>>> - Members of other lists are invited to join once an >>>>>>>>>>>> informal agenda has been put together >>>>>>>>>>>> - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this >>>>>>>>>>>> effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of >>>>>>>>>>>> focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already >>>>>>>>>>>> been proposed) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like >>>>>>>>>>>> we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree >>>>>>>>>>>> that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global >>>>>>>>>>>> level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting >>>>>>>>>>>> together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to >>>>>>>>>>>> these efforts. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide your views on this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the >>>>>>>>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary >>>>>>>>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should >>>>>>>>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions >>>>>>>>>>>> about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the >>>>>>>>>>>> call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to >>>>>>>>>>>> work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and >>>>>>>>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported >>>>>>>>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the >>>>>>>>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call >>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage >>>>>>>>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, >>>>>>>>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC >>>>>>>>>>>> would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant >>>>>>>>>>>> of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put >>>>>>>>>>>> something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback >>>>>>>>>>>> before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple >>>>>>>>>>>> proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the >>>>>>>>>>>> call wants to chime in with more information please do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen < >>>>>>>>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will >>>>>>>>>>>> report on the meeting. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under >>>>>>>>>>>> an hour at 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> PM UTC (see the link below). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting room details >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID >>>>>>>>>>>>> 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on >>>>>>>>>>>> *Wednesday, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further >>>>>>>>>>>> below too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting room details >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 524 189 381 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers >>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion >>>>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving coordination are welcome so please share with >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone relevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggested agenda >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of >>>>>>>>>>>> what's happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so far >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Akinremi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the >>>>>>>>>>>> participants of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Governance list, especially the thinking that >>>>>>>>>>>> "discussion about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merging should be limited to each group". If riseup.net >>>>>>>>>>>> is working, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I do not have concerns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org >>>>>>>>>>>> mailbox is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net >>>>>>>>>>>> mailing-list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> do so as to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits list to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a >>>>>>>>>>>> different problem. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is >>>>>>>>>>>> managing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Governance lists please? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be >>>>>>>>>>>> limited to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging >>>>>>>>>>>> should be limited to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of >>>>>>>>>>>> an independent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the >>>>>>>>>>>> group should cease >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC group wants IGC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to remain as it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some >>>>>>>>>>>> contacts on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you >>>>>>>>>>>> are referring to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any >>>>>>>>>>>> privacy issue that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light >>>>>>>>>>>> on this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part >>>>>>>>>>>> of our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society >>>>>>>>>>>> organization in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing >>>>>>>>>>>> many hat remains. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited >>>>>>>>>>>> response, only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 8 respondents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list? >>>>>>>>>>>> Possibly the poll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed >>>>>>>>>>>> only to the IGC list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits" rather than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement >>>>>>>>>>>> in these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society >>>>>>>>>>>> coordination, and I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. >>>>>>>>>>>> The conversations have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the >>>>>>>>>>>> current situation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination >>>>>>>>>>>> network), and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil >>>>>>>>>>>> society coordination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the issues we work on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey >>>>>>>>>>>> which gathered a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached >>>>>>>>>>>> a summary report of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris >>>>>>>>>>>> there was discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we >>>>>>>>>>>> do that however, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey >>>>>>>>>>>> and agree a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. >>>>>>>>>>>> It would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can >>>>>>>>>>>> confirm the date and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a room. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Suggested agenda* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and >>>>>>>>>>>> contributions so far! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the >>>>>>>>>>>> survey. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, >>>>>>>>>>>> with a summary included >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the top in case useful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the >>>>>>>>>>>> first half >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way >>>>>>>>>>>> forward (45 minutes-1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC founders and other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a >>>>>>>>>>>> separate call too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been >>>>>>>>>>>> to find a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and >>>>>>>>>>>> thus to change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help >>>>>>>>>>>> in finding a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to >>>>>>>>>>>> the widest possible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other >>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions on how to proceed, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a >>>>>>>>>>>> doodle for a follow up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it >>>>>>>>>>>> would be great >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. If you could fill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call >>>>>>>>>>>> to decide next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps next week. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so >>>>>>>>>>>> thank you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your >>>>>>>>>>>> views if you can, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will >>>>>>>>>>>> feed into the next set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, >>>>>>>>>>>> please see a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits. Following a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as >>>>>>>>>>>> well as members of IGC, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to >>>>>>>>>>>> gather views of all members. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information >>>>>>>>>>>> note which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and >>>>>>>>>>>> links to the summaries of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are >>>>>>>>>>>> invited to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions >>>>>>>>>>>> in a timely way, please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call >>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday. For >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find >>>>>>>>>>>> the list of participants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways >>>>>>>>>>>> forward for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation >>>>>>>>>>>> in December and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling >>>>>>>>>>>> their objectives, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we >>>>>>>>>>>> agreed to circulate a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on >>>>>>>>>>>> four suggested ways forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was >>>>>>>>>>>> suggested that this survey with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on >>>>>>>>>>>> the future of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly >>>>>>>>>>>> to both lists shortly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on >>>>>>>>>>>> next steps is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> UTC*. The full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and >>>>>>>>>>>> I've updated the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad < >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems >>>>>>>>>>>> the best time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. >>>>>>>>>>>> The full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are >>>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. >>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on >>>>>>>>>>>> the 11th! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC < >>>>>>>>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc >>>>>>>>>>>> -or-199.48.152.152 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Dial: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers >>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Enter Conference ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone >>>>>>>>>>>> number will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would >>>>>>>>>>>> like to record and share the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing >>>>>>>>>>>> list. Please let us know if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on >>>>>>>>>>>> an open mailing list if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>>> and IGC lists, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other >>>>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>>>>> issues faced in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists >>>>>>>>>>>> as information sharing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on >>>>>>>>>>>> process for decision >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who >>>>>>>>>>>> indicated they were available for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>>> member you can join the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this >>>>>>>>>>>> is just to have a vague idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this >>>>>>>>>>>> topic, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their >>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives and the relevant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to >>>>>>>>>>>> touch base >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way >>>>>>>>>>>> forward. The discussions here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and >>>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh has kindly offered to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second >>>>>>>>>>>> call to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>>>>>> issues faced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using >>>>>>>>>>>> lists as information sharing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on >>>>>>>>>>>> process for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last >>>>>>>>>>>> call, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but >>>>>>>>>>>> that we also reach out to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background >>>>>>>>>>>> and inform the discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the >>>>>>>>>>>> end of next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and >>>>>>>>>>>> send the conference room link >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams >>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with >>>>>>>>>>>> care, and have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in >>>>>>>>>>>> line with what Nnenna and Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working >>>>>>>>>>>> together within IGC and Bestbits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups >>>>>>>>>>>> again really improve participation? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the >>>>>>>>>>>> people who started >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same >>>>>>>>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems >>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider >>>>>>>>>>>> IRPC (which many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently >>>>>>>>>>>> having some difficulty with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out >>>>>>>>>>>> management tasks for the group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss >>>>>>>>>>>> issues and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right >>>>>>>>>>>> way to do that now or do we need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who were part of the first >>>>>>>>>>>> Steering Committee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could you share more information about how >>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become >>>>>>>>>>>> toxic and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a >>>>>>>>>>>> while since it had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same >>>>>>>>>>>> time, the 2012 ITU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on >>>>>>>>>>>> joint action >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both >>>>>>>>>>>> inside and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer steering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics >>>>>>>>>>>> that had driven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. >>>>>>>>>>>> There were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various >>>>>>>>>>>> participants having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their >>>>>>>>>>>> own funding. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly >>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of >>>>>>>>>>>> accountability resulted in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate >>>>>>>>>>>> set of rules >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and >>>>>>>>>>>> people weren't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating >>>>>>>>>>>> that the more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who >>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all >>>>>>>>>>>> for that. But I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" Cc: "Ian Peter" ; "governance" Sent: 20/07/2019 6:38:09 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >Ok. > >Here is the suggested site map for the first stage: >1. About Us >2. IGC Charter >3. Join Us > > > >As to the host, I can get a company to host us for free for one year. > > > > > > >Farzaneh > > >On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >>Dear All, >> >>1.The website is independent of elections. >>2.On a practical note, it would be good to have a technical co-lead, >>suggest Imran Ahmed. >>3.Perhaps, Farzaneh, you can draft a site map and invite us to >>comment. >>4.In the meantime, there should be a plan for content management which >>is where you will need both Technical and Content. To this end, I >>suggest we rope in Avri who volunteered to assist if called upon on >>the 19th July, 2019. >> >> >> >>Best Wishes, >>Sala >> >>On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm farzaneh badii, >> wrote: >>>Thank you Sala for being proactive. >>> >>>What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website >>>revival and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of >>>course we need to have the members listed at some point on the >>>website but the revival of the website should be kept separately and >>>not dependent on elections etc because otherwise we will be delayed. >>> >>>My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical >>>knowledge whatsoever) >>> >>>For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages >>>at this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link >>>and a join us page up. >>> >>>When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are >>>ready we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward >>>and can be done quickly. unless you think there might be technical >>>issues. >>> >>>Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' >>>list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. >>> >>>As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple >>>design that provides an accessible page for us so that people know >>>who we are! I think our old website design was good. >>> >>>https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Farzaneh >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> wrote: >>>>Hi Sala, >>>> >>>>earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new >>>>website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this >>>>happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path >>>>forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline >>>>to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements? In any case >>>>I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. >>>> >>>>Ian >>>> >>>>------ Original Message ------ >>>>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>To: "governance" >>>>Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >>>>Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ >>>>Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >>>> >>>>>Dear All. >>>>> >>>>>I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and >>>>>be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is >>>>>starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view >>>>>of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, >>>>>see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. >>>>> >>>>>For a bird's eye view: >>>>> >>>>>Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>>>> >>>>>Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kind Regards, >>>>>Sala >>>>> >>>>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>>We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any >>>>>>further comments. As you can see, you have support of people >>>>>>stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to >>>>>>have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally >>>>>>artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to >>>>>>volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>>>>>oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna >>>>>>and the community. >>>>>> >>>>>>If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can >>>>>>start. >>>>>> >>>>>>Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks >>>>>> >>>>>>Website Development Team >>>>>> >>>>>>Confirmed >>>>>>Imran Ahmed Shah (technical)Tapani Tarvainen (technical)Farzaneh >>>>>>Badii (technical)Ian Peter (content)Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>>>(content) >>>>>>Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions >>>>>>Avri Doria Akinremi Peter >>>>>> >>>>>>Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm >>>>>> >>>>>>Suggested General Strategy >>>>>>To create a Project TimelineTo develop a Site MapTo find archived >>>>>>information for the purposes of restoring these on the siteDevelop >>>>>>a Technical Team and a Content TeamOnce this is ready, can invite >>>>>>all former coordinators and members to commentLaunch the website >>>>>> >>>>>>Kind Regards, >>>>>>Sala >>>>>> >>>>--- >>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 18:37:52 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:37:52 -0400 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Yes The hosting company I have in mind is located in Ireland. It is not one of the big tech companies and the hosting costs 89.95 euros per year. (I think we should pick Medius, but they have a Minimus option too which is cheaper: https://www.blacknight.com/web-hosting/) We could also go with a managed hosting like Amazon or Google. Some are hesitant about that in general but I believe it could save us from a lot of hassle and can be for longer-term. Thoughts? Farzaneh On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:23 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Can you give us a few more details are the possible hosting Farzaneh? (who > it is where based etc) . And whether this could become a suitable permanent > site? > > Another thing is knowing what their platform and tools are, I am sure > whoever does the build (Peter? Imran?) will be keen to know that.. Some > contact details would help. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "farzaneh badii" > To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > Cc: "Ian Peter" ; "governance" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> > Sent: 20/07/2019 6:38:09 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was > IGC Website (Way Forward) > > Ok. > > Here is the suggested site map for the first stage: > 1. About Us > 2. IGC Charter > 3. Join Us > > > > As to the host, I can get a company to host us for free for one year. > > > > > > > Farzaneh > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> 1.The website is independent of elections. >> 2.On a practical note, it would be good to have a technical co-lead, >> suggest Imran Ahmed. >> 3.Perhaps, Farzaneh, you can draft a site map and invite us to comment. >> 4.In the meantime, there should be a plan for content management which is >> where you will need both Technical and Content. To this end, I suggest we >> rope in Avri who volunteered to assist if called upon on the 19th July, >> 2019. >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm farzaneh badii, >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Sala for being proactive. >>> >>> What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website revival >>> and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of course we need >>> to have the members listed at some point on the website but the revival of >>> the website should be kept separately and not dependent on elections etc >>> because otherwise we will be delayed. >>> >>> My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical >>> knowledge whatsoever) >>> >>> For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages at >>> this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link and a >>> join us page up. >>> >>> When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are ready >>> we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward and can be >>> done quickly. unless you think there might be technical issues. >>> >>> Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' >>> list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. >>> >>> As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple >>> design that provides an accessible page for us so that people know who we >>> are! I think our old website design was good. >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sala, >>>> >>>> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >>>> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >>>> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >>>> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >>>> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >>>> suggests we proceed. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> To: "governance" >>>> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >>>> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was >>>> IGC Website (Way Forward) >>>> >>>> Dear All. >>>> >>>> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be >>>> good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >>>> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >>>> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >>>> attached. >>>> >>>> For a bird's eye view: >>>> >>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >>>> >>>> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>>> >>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>>>> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >>>>> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >>>>> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >>>>> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>>>> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >>>>> community. >>>>> >>>>> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >>>>> >>>>> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >>>>> >>>>> *Website Development Team* >>>>> >>>>> *Confirmed* >>>>> >>>>> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >>>>> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >>>>> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >>>>> - Ian Peter (content) >>>>> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>>>> >>>>> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >>>>> >>>>> - Avri Doria >>>>> - Akinremi Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >>>>> >>>>> *Suggested General Strategy* >>>>> >>>>> - To create a Project Timeline >>>>> - To develop a Site Map >>>>> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these >>>>> on the site >>>>> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >>>>> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and >>>>> members to comment >>>>> - Launch the website >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Sala >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 19:54:31 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 00:54:31 +0100 Subject: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> <1a7c0747-9727-6ed7-0197-38ec56f79c7f@apc.org> Message-ID: Thanks Sheetal and all As much as I agree with bulk of the outlined summarised by you, there is need for IGC charter review and left for me to accommodate and harmonise thoughts on the new dispensation and could actually be a major task for new coordinators once after their election I wish us well in this efforts. Regards On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear all > > Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I > trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me > there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In > essence: > > - There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing > because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues on > the global agenda/at global forums > - There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way > forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process hasn't > been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that > process would/could be > - There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be > preserved and centralised for easy access by all members > - There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin > - There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC > Charter > > Hopefully this captures the conversation so far? > > I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and > although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of > those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that there > is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. > > As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear > what others think if you don't agree: > > - If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can > start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise we're > working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and just > recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those > engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, is > that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and therefore > less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this diagnosis, I > think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included > - If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue > (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our > ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits thread > too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging among > members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about the > merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue to > be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. > - If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter *in principle* > they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as there maybe > Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is just a > conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the Charter > among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to reform it > and revisit the idea in a year, for example. > > Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which > includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave > ourselves back together there? > > Best > Sheetal > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > >> Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed out, of >> course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits site, and the list >> archives. >> >> By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have pretty >> complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on a back-up drive >> somewhere. I also think that the list archive of the list when it was still >> hosted by APC is still available somewhere too. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> ----------------------------- >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning >> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org >> >> On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> >> Really good point, Sheetal. >> >> But it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that there are >> divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this is happening because the >> lists are not integrated. >> >> >> >> So how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to merge these >> lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil society influence favor >> maintaining this stupid barrier between the groups involved? >> >> >> >> --MM >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> Without wanting to weigh in on the substantive discussion being had here, >> I was just wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits in >> some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent perceptions of the >> discussion happening. Happy for IGC to have its discussion but at some >> point, those on Bestbits who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I >> believe there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one side of the >> conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop Bestbits back in, and share the >> conversation that has already happened? >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina Rossini < >> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I did not say anybody was suggesting anything. It was just a reminder. >> >> Tks >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii >> wrote: >> >> >> >> @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits >> documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of how >> we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been >> wanting to transfer the domain name for the past I think around 3 years, >> no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for >> example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website. >> >> >> >> As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the >> proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter >> recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still >> support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know how >> we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can >> consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the needs >> of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and >> generally more engagement with IG processes. >> >> >> >> As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to >> discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my >> opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a >> meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held >> meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members think >> (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members, >> Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey). >> >> >> >> @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and >> am glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help >> was crucial in making that happen. >> >> >> >> Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together >> and showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance >> issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's >> just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have >> these conversations. >> >> >> >> >> >> Farzaneh >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There are >> more than 11. >> >> >> >> And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has >> a lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved. >> >> >> >> Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I am. >> >> >> >> Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive >> touch it does deserve. >> >> >> >> C >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >> No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join >> IGC individually. End of story. >> >> >> >> >> >> But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala >> points out. >> >> >> >> Ian. >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >> To: "Sheetal Kumar" >> >> Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" ; "Lee W McKnight" < >> lmcknigh at syr.edu>; "Tapani Tarvainen" ; >> "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" < >> compsoftnet at gmail.com>; "governance" >> >> Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging >> with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of >> Bestbits: next steps") >> >> >> >> The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine >> consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge >> then by all means. >> >> >> >> Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to >> change the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to >> protect us. Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they >> left or unsubscribed. >> >> >> >> One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data from >> the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this has to >> be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion and >> debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC has >> been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus. >> >> >> >> The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in >> key international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see >> great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum >> in their individual capacity. >> >> >> >> I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum >> etc and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members >> participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that >> UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a >> monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report >> back to the UNGA. >> >> >> >> On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others >> have been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like >> Facebook behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to >> historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban over >> a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others >> have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which >> represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and >> some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on Cyber >> affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last year. >> >> >> >> The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these >> giants. Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and global >> public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands. >> >> >> >> One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has >> always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, West, >> South, North. The principles are well established in International law and >> Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is >> relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have >> been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN >> Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats. >> >> >> >> Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and >> mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the UN >> Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the >> report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet >> to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a >> letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non >> bureaucratic way to get traction. >> >> >> >> What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation! >> Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for >> imposing taxes. >> >> >> >> It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore >> this. I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co >> facilitate and moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative >> from the Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a >> European Court of Human Rights with others. >> >> >> >> We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to >> engage. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro", < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > According to Akinremi's email in another thread, there are 665 persons > subscribed to the IGC which sounds correct to me. > > As the website restoration team gather and consolidate content, things > will be more visible. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 8:13 am Chaitanya Dhareshwar, > wrote: > >> Thanks Sala. I agree on point #5, personally, I've been a lurker since >> 2014-sometime but try to read as many of the messages as possible (across >> the fora that I participate in). >> >> I am looking forward to #9 - how to continue my participation (albeit >> passive). >> >> I'm writing mainly to address point #4 - because a decrease in the >> coordinator's confidence in the list can undermine the integrity & life of >> the list... Bruna, it's worth noting that many valuable participants may >> not remain consistently active, but are still participants who greatly >> value the list and what it means to be a part of it. >> >> Best regards, >> Chaitanya >> >> On Fri 19 Jul, 2019, 12:20 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> >>> 1. I remember that at one stage, the membership list was between 80 >>> to 100 or even more. >>> 2. Traditionally, the list of members have always been published >>> including those who had voted in previous elections. >>> 3. Obviously, this information will have to be pieced from Archives. >>> 4. It worried me that Bruna had mentioned that in her mind if there >>> were elections there would only be 5 people voting and I assume she based >>> that on the number of people she saw commenting. >>> 5. There are many who lurk, merely observe and are not engaged >>> unless something interests them or catches their attention to participate. >>> 6. To this end the challenge for IGC Leadership is to ensure that >>> every member is engaged. >>> 7. I would like to ask Bruna to start working on getting the list of >>> members and identify those that voted in the last elections. >>> 8. This may already exist in the Archives. >>> 9. Also information on how to subscribe to the IGC and commit to >>> following its charter. >>> 10. Parminder had highlighted the cooling period between when one >>> joins and when one participates. >>> 11. If anyone has any questions or issues about membership, suggest >>> they raise it here. >>> 12. When the website goes up, it will obviously be easier to >>> subscribe individually. >>> >>> Best Wishes >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >>> >>> *P. O. Box 17862* >>> >>> *Suva* >>> >>> >>> *Republic of Fiji* >>> >>> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >>> >>> *Home: +679 3362003* >>> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >>> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Jul 16 22:02:59 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:02:59 -0300 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects Message-ID: Dear IGC members, As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around the merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as the decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list . Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there is also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as proper outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join IGC. For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 Best Regards, -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Sat Jul 20 07:26:56 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:26:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) In-Reply-To: References: <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274@mail.yahoo.com> <20190719194525.400951ce@quill> Message-ID: <20190720132656.390d6686@quill> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:04:19 +0000 "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > Thanks for making that all clear Norbert. In fact I believe the last > attempted charter amendments failed, despite a 70 for, 4 against vote > - because the number of voters did not equate with the requisite 2/3 > percentage of "members" . So that area is difficult and best left to > one side for now. I agree that charter amendments are difficult. They may however be less difficult than what the above-cited experience might indicate: If I remember correctly, the amendment proposal in that failed attempt was for a relatively minor change. There wasn't much opposition, but it also wasn't seen as a vitally needed, important change. I think that the situation might be different for a charter amendment proposal where for at least some of the proposed changes, it is broadly agreed that the changes are absolutely needed for important reasons. Such a proposal would in my view have a much better chance of passing the threshold of 2/3 positive votes. In any case I don't agree that the difficulty of charter amendments implies that it would therefore be wise to avoid thinking about amending the charter. If we want a large umbrella caucus where all civil society voices on Internet governance are welcome, and where on that basis constructive consensus-seeking discourse takes place, then I believe something needs to be done to effectively address the problem of the dysfunctional patterns of interaction which have plagued this community in the past. When I was a co-coordinator some time ago, I tried to do this on the basis of the principles and mechanisms and procedures which are defined in the current charter. That failed pretty dramatically, in that it actually caused those dysfunctional patterns of interaction to become worse. Other co-coordinators have largely ignored what the Charter says on those matters. In that way, they have at least been able to avoid those counterintentional effects. But the problem remains unsolved, and I don't think that it can be solved in IGC without amending its charter. Greetings, Norbert From nb at bollow.ch Sat Jul 20 11:17:49 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:17:49 +0200 Subject: [governance] WEF-UN MOU Message-ID: <20190720171749.794278d9@quill> Here's a forward from another civil society mailing list. In view of the fact that public policy processes can never fully be separated from the institutional frameworks within which they take place —Internet governance related public policy processes are certainly no exception to this general reality— I wonder whether a broad civil society consensus could be reached that certainly in regard to Internet governance (understood broadly, in the sense of the Tunis Agenda working definition) such overly great influence of commercial interests on public policy processes must be opposed. Greetings, Norbert Begin forwarded message: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/how-united-nations-quietly-being-turned-public-private-partnership/ How the United Nations is quietly being turned into a public-private partnership / A new agreement with the World Economic Forum gives multinational corporations influence over matters of global governance. Harris Gleckman 2 July 2019 A new corporate and government marriage quietly took place last week when the leadership of the World Economic Forum (WEF) and the United Nations (UN) signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to partner with each other. While this MOU is proudly displayed on the WEF website, it is nowhere to be found on the UN website. The only indication on the UN website of this important new development is a picture of the pen used to sign the agreement, and two pictures of the signing ceremony. One reason for this difference is that the UN’s corporate-centered Global Compact has received a good deal of bad press. Now the new WEF-UN agreement creates a second special place for multinational corporations inside the UN. There is no similar institutional homes in the UN system for civil society, for academics, for religious leaders, or for youth. It is hard to imagine a national government signing a similar formal partnership with one of its business organizations. At the same time, the UN is under pressure from Donald Trump who wants to deconstruct the whole multilateral system. For Trump, dismantling the international system built after World War II is a companion piece to his domestic effort at deconstructing the administrative state. For the Secretary-General of the UN, the pact with the WEF may well be his effort to find new power actors who can support the current system, which is now celebrating its 75th anniversary, in the face of Trump’s onslaught. On the other side, the WEF recently received significant public criticism after giving Hungarian Prime Minister Orban and Brazilian President Bolsonaro a warm welcome at its 2019 Davos gathering. This marriage may be seen as a way for the WEF to re-establish itself as part of the global governance center. The timing and managing of public perceptions are not the only interesting aspect of this arrangement. In 2009, the WEF published a 600 page report entitled the Global Redesign Initiative, which called for a new system of global governing, one in which the decisions of governments could be made secondary to multistakeholder led initiatives in which corporations would play a defining role. In a sense this WEF study recommended a sort of public-private United “Nations” – something that has now been formalized in this MOU. The agreement announces new multistakeholder partnerships to deliver public goods in the fields of education, women, financing, climate change, and health. The rather detailed MOU includes forms of cross organizational engagement up and down the UN structure. The MOU contains commitments that the Secretary-General himself will be invited to deliver a keynote address at the WEF annual Davos gatherings. His senior staff and the heads of the UN programmes, funds, and agencies will also be invited to participate in regional level meetings hosted by the WEF. It also contains a promise that the UN’s individual country representatives will explore ways to work with WEF’s national Forum Hubs. Aware of the mutual importance of public legitimacy each institution can provide for the other, the MOU also contains an agreement to cross-publicize their joint activities. Besides the institutional blessing of the United Nations, what does the WEF get from the MOU? The scope of each of the five fields for joint attention is narrowed down from the intergovernmentally negotiated and agreed set of goals to one with more in line with the business interests of WEF members. So under financing, the MOU calls only for ‘build[ing] a shared understanding of sustainable investing’ but not for reducing banking induced instabilities and tax avoidance. Under climate change, it calls for ‘ …public commitments from the private sector to reach carbon neutrality by 2050’, not actions that result in carbon neutrality by 2030 . Under education, it re-defines the Sustainable Development education goal to ‘ensure inclusive and equitable quality education’ into one that focuses on education to meet the ‘rapidly changing world of work.’ The MOU explicitly restricts the WEF from making financial contributions to the UN, which might have ameliorated the economic impact of some of Trump’s threat to the budgets of the UN system. At the same time, it avoids any commitment to reduce global inequality, to make energy affordable, to hold multinational corporations accountable for human rights violations, or even to rein in the behavior of the WEF’s firms that act inconsistently to the re-defined goals set out in the agreement. All this joint work might have some practical good if it were not for three crucial elements: firstly, the agreement circumvents the intergovernmental review process; secondly, the agreement elevates multistakeholderism as the solution to the problems with the current multilateral system; and thirdly the proposed multistakeholder partnerships are not governed by any formal democratic system. Were the Secretary-General convinced of the wisdom of a UN marriage with the WEF, he could have submitted the draft MOU for approval by the member states. Instead, the Secretary-General joined the WEF in declaring in effect that multistakeholder groups without any formal intergovernmental oversight are a better governance system than a one-country-one-vote system. All multistakeholder governance groups are largely composed of a self-selected group of multinational corporations and those organizations and individuals that they want to work with. They work without any common internal rule book to protect the views of all who might be impacted by the group. Participation in multistakeholder group is a voluntary undertaking. The drop-in-drop-out arrangements are antithetical to the UN’s efforts for 75 years to build a stable secure global governance system with a clear understanding of obligations, responsibilities and liabilities. What is surprising is that by accepting this marriage arrangement with the WEF, the Secretary-General of the UN is marginalizing the intergovernmental system in order to ‘save’ it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sat Jul 20 18:26:41 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:26:41 +0000 Subject: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) In-Reply-To: <20190720132656.390d6686@quill> References: <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274@mail.yahoo.com> <20190719194525.400951ce@quill> <20190720132656.390d6686@quill> Message-ID: Totally agree with you Norbert as regards problems with the charter. However I think in a context where we dont have coordinator elections up to date, and we dont have a website available (let alone no appeals team, and probably no refresh of cscg for some time) it might be a less urgent task. But happy to engage on this when we get our basic structure back together again! Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Norbert Bollow" To: governance at lists.riseup.net Sent: 20/07/2019 9:26:56 PM Subject: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) >On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:04:19 +0000 >"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > >> Thanks for making that all clear Norbert. In fact I believe the last >> attempted charter amendments failed, despite a 70 for, 4 against vote >> - because the number of voters did not equate with the requisite 2/3 >> percentage of "members" . So that area is difficult and best left to >> one side for now. > >I agree that charter amendments are difficult. > >They may however be less difficult than what the above-cited experience >might indicate: If I remember correctly, the amendment proposal in that >failed attempt was for a relatively minor change. There wasn't much >opposition, but it also wasn't seen as a vitally needed, important >change. I think that the situation might be different for a charter >amendment proposal where for at least some of the proposed changes, it >is broadly agreed that the changes are absolutely needed for important >reasons. Such a proposal would in my view have a much better chance of >passing the threshold of 2/3 positive votes. > >In any case I don't agree that the difficulty of charter amendments >implies that it would therefore be wise to avoid thinking about >amending the charter. > >If we want a large umbrella caucus where all civil society voices on >Internet governance are welcome, and where on that basis constructive >consensus-seeking discourse takes place, then I believe something needs >to be done to effectively address the problem of the dysfunctional >patterns of interaction which have plagued this community in the past. > >When I was a co-coordinator some time ago, I tried to do this on the >basis of the principles and mechanisms and procedures which are >defined in the current charter. That failed pretty dramatically, in >that it actually caused those dysfunctional patterns of interaction to >become worse. Other co-coordinators have largely ignored what the >Charter says on those matters. In that way, they have at least been >able to avoid those counterintentional effects. But the problem remains >unsolved, and I don't think that it can be solved in IGC without >amending its charter. > >Greetings, >Norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 10:53:24 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:53:24 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections Message-ID: Dear IGC Members, I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to elections. On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. *I understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. Best Regards, -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * IGC Co-Coordinator Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ayden at ferdeline.com Mon Jul 22 11:15:24 2019 From: ayden at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:15:24 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bruna, this seems a sensible approach to me. Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, 22 July 2019 11:53, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: > Dear IGC Members, > > I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. > > The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: > > Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). > > I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to elections. > > On that note, I would agree on running elections right away. And my suggestion would be to wait until the first or second week of August for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. > > If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. I understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. > > Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. > > Best Regards, > -- > Bruna Martins dos Santos > IGC Co-Coordinator > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 11:50:12 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Fouad Bajwa (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:50:12 +0500 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Couldn't agree more. +1. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:15 PM Ayden Férdeline wrote: > Thanks Bruna, this seems a sensible approach to me. > > Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Monday, 22 July 2019 11:53, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > Dear IGC Members, > > I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After > reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur > to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the > Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. > > The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: > > *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and > his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections > announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it > expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * > > I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have > also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in > putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to > elections. > > On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my > suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* > for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I > will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and > ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. > > *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. *I > understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in > october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to > go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. > > Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. > > Best Regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > IGC Co-Coordinator > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa Public Policy Analyst Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa My Blog: Internet's Governance: http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeanette at wzb.eu Mon Jul 22 11:53:14 2019 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette hofmann) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:53:14 +0200 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> Message-ID: <052bee76-da67-aecb-4f54-fda43def5ed1@wzb.eu> I said this before, my archive goes back to December 2003. Bill's and Adam's archive should cover an even earlier stage. Jeanette Am 19.07.19 um 11:17 schrieb Anriette Esterhuysen: > Dear all > > I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier > years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so > I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communications > apc.org > afrisig.org > anriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: >> Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. >> Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some >> which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be >> out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide >> work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer >> to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on >> end. >> >> Best Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> > > wrote: >> >> Hi Sala, >> >> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new >> website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this >> happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path >> forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and >> outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In >> any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > >> To: "governance" > > >> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ >> Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >> >>> Dear All. >>> >>> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and >>> be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is >>> starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the >>> view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For >>> details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. >>> >>> For a bird's eye view: >>> >>> Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png >>> >>> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>> >>> Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any >>> further comments. As you can see, you have support of people >>> stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good >>> to have some people who specialise in graphics or are >>> naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >>> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst >>> working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project >>> lead, report back to Bruna and the community. >>> >>> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can >>> start. >>> >>> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >>> >>> *Website Development Team* >>> >>> *Confirmed* >>> >>> * Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >>> * Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) >>> * Farzaneh Badii (technical) >>> * Ian Peter  (content) >>> * Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>> >>> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >>> >>> * Avri Doria >>> * Akinremi Peter >>> >>> >>> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >>> >>> *Suggested General Strategy* >>> >>> * To create a Project Timeline >>> * To develop a Site Map >>> * To find archived information for the purposes of >>> restoring these on the site >>> * Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >>> * Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators >>> and members to comment >>> * Launch the website >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T >> * >> *P. O. Box 17862 >> * >> *Suva >> * >> *Republic of Fiji >> >> * >> *Cell: +679 7656770; >> * >> *Home: +679 3362003 >> * >> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >> >> /* >> */ >> /*"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." >> >> Aristotle*/ >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca Mon Jul 22 11:56:06 2019 From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:56:06 +0000 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: <052bee76-da67-aecb-4f54-fda43def5ed1@wzb.eu> References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> <34ec95dd-bc67-ea86-effc-78f943e4a170@apc.org> <052bee76-da67-aecb-4f54-fda43def5ed1@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <290520b6-caf5-e862-8ba9-39921169aab1@mail.utoronto.ca> Would it not be a good idea if this archive were housed in a university library somewhere? Stephanie Perrin On 2019-07-22 11:53, Jeanette hofmann wrote: I said this before, my archive goes back to December 2003. Bill's and Adam's archive should cover an even earlier stage. Jeanette Am 19.07.19 um 11:17 schrieb Anriette Esterhuysen: Dear all I have a copy of the mailing list from 2008 onwards. I have earlier years archived somewhere, but 2008-19 I have on my current hard drive so I can contribute the missing years. Let me know how and when and to whom. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: Hi Sala, earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png followed by Migration and website maintenance. Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* *Website Development Team* *Confirmed* * Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) * Tapani Tarvainen (technical) * Farzaneh Badii (technical) * Ian Peter (content) * Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* * Avri Doria * Akinremi Peter *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm *Suggested General Strategy* * To create a Project Timeline * To develop a Site Map * To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site * Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team * Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment * Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * *P. O. Box 17862 * *Suva * *Republic of Fiji * *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003 * *Twitter: @SalanietaT* /* */ /*"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle*/ --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 12:21:22 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Chaitanya Dhareshwar (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:51:22 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August. For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due to the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be eligible to vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their vote in the August election. What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a 1-year term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue to serve for a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 members? Best, *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* Linkedin | Blog | *Book Me* | Skype: chaitanyabd Mobile: +91.9820760253 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear IGC Members, > > I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After > reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur > to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the > Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. > > The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: > > *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and > his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections > announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it > expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * > > I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have > also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in > putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to > elections. > > On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my > suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* > for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I > will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and > ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. > > *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. *I > understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in > october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to > go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. > > Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. > > Best Regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > IGC Co-Coordinator > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 12:29:19 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:29:19 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! @Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term has expired for more than one year, but mine is only expired for less than two months. Nevertheless, I believe we should vote for the two co-coordinators slots. I am still eligible for re-election, but in case I dont run or get re-elected I will most definitely help with transition and concluding our processes. Best, Bruna Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar a écrit : > I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August. > > For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due to > the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be eligible to > vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their vote in the > August election. > > What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a 1-year > term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue to serve for > a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 members? > > Best, > > *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* > > Linkedin | Blog > | *Book Me* | Skype: > chaitanyabd > Mobile: +91.9820760253 > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear IGC Members, >> >> I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After >> reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur >> to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the >> Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. >> >> The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: >> >> *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and >> his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections >> announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it >> expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * >> >> I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have >> also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in >> putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to >> elections. >> >> On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my >> suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* >> for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I >> will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and >> ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. >> >> *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. *I >> understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in >> october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to >> go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. >> >> Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. >> >> Best Regards, >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> IGC Co-Coordinator >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Jul 17 00:11:07 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:41:07 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> HI Bruna/ All Good morning to all! Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please ensure that these do not clash. Thanks. While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be done among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main and authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request everyone's attention to. thanks and best regards parminder On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Dear IGC members,  > > As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around > the merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.  > > Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us > convened to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and > that also entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, > as well as the decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the > BestBits list > .  > > Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next > steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. > Another agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC > co-coordinators elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related > subjects, there is also the need to discuss a proper closure for > BestBits, as well as proper outreach in a transparent way and the > possibility for members to join IGC.  > > For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >  created this doodle for all interested > members to indicate their availability for the > call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26  > > > Best Regards,  > > -- > */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 13:20:59 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1433884072.5430348.1563816059375@mail.yahoo.com> May I suggest two co-coordinators slots, for one and two years, so that the term of both will not expire at same time. On Monday, 22 July 2019, 21:29:55 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Thanks for the replies so far, everyone!  @Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term has expired for more than one year, but mine is only expired for less than two months. Nevertheless, I believe we should vote for the two co-coordinators slots. I am still eligible for re-election, but in case I dont run or get re-elected I will most definitely help with transition and concluding our processes.  Best, Bruna Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar a écrit : I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August.  For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due to the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be eligible to vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their vote in the August election.  What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a 1-year term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue to serve for a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 members? Best, Chaitanya Dhareshwar Linkedin | Blog | Book Me | Skype: chaitanyabdMobile: +91.9820760253 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Dear IGC Members, I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to elections.  On that note, I would agree on running elections right away. And my suggestion would be to wait until the first or second week of August for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant.  If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st.  I understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. Looking forward to hearing back from you on this.  Best Regards, -- Bruna Martins dos Santos IGC Co-Coordinator  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins --- To unsubscribe: List help: -- Bruna Martins dos Santos  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 13:54:48 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Chaitanya Dhareshwar (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 23:24:48 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: <1433884072.5430348.1563816059375@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1433884072.5430348.1563816059375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My view is that if Bruna is willing, able and acceptable to a reasonable majority she can be the default choice for the interim 1 year. That way we will vote on one position only (the 2 year one) which is the norm. Best, C On Mon 22 Jul, 2019, 22:51 Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > May I suggest two co-coordinators slots, for one and two years, so that > the term of both will not expire at same time. > > On Monday, 22 July 2019, 21:29:55 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! > > @Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term has expired > for more than one year, but mine is only expired for less than two months. > Nevertheless, I believe we should vote for the two co-coordinators slots. I > am still eligible for re-election, but in case I dont run or get re-elected > I will most definitely help with transition and concluding our processes. > > Best, > Bruna > > Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar > a écrit : > > I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August. > > For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due to > the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be eligible to > vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their vote in the > August election. > > What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a 1-year > term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue to serve for > a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 members? > > Best, > > *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* > > Linkedin | Blog > | *Book Me* | Skype: > chaitanyabd > Mobile: +91.9820760253 > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > Dear IGC Members, > > I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After > reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur > to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the > Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. > > The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: > > *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and > his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections > announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it > expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * > > I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have > also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in > putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to > elections. > > On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my > suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* > for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I > will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and > ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. > > *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. *I > understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in > october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to > go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. > > Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. > > Best Regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > IGC Co-Coordinator > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Jul 22 16:31:42 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:31:42 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: <1433884072.5430348.1563816059375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thi.nk in the circumstances the two slots is a good idea - most votes gets 2 years, second most 1 year. (actually both a little less, because following elections should be around June). Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" To: "Imran Ahmed Shah" Cc: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com; "governance" Sent: 23/07/2019 3:54:48 AM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections >My view is that if Bruna is willing, able and acceptable to a >reasonable majority she can be the default choice for the interim 1 >year. > >That way we will vote on one position only (the 2 year one) which is >the norm. > >Best, >C > >On Mon 22 Jul, 2019, 22:51 Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >>May I suggest two co-coordinators slots, for one and two years, so >>that the term of both will not expire at same time. >> >>On Monday, 22 July 2019, 21:29:55 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos >> wrote: >> >> >>Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! >> >>@Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term has >>expired for more than one year, but mine is only expired for less than >>two months. Nevertheless, I believe we should vote for the two >>co-coordinators slots. I am still eligible for re-election, but in >>case I dont run or get re-elected I will most definitely help with >>transition and concluding our processes. >> >>Best, >>Bruna >> >>Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar >> a écrit : >>>I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August. >>> >>>For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due >>>to the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be >>>eligible to vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their >>>vote in the August election. >>> >>>What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a >>>1-year term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue >>>to serve for a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we >>>voting 2 members? >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Chaitanya Dhareshwar >>> >>>Linkedin | Blog >>>| Book Me | >>>Skype: chaitanyabd >>>Mobile: +91.9820760253 >>> >>> >>>On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos >>> wrote: >>>>Dear IGC Members, >>>> >>>>I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After >>>>reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I >>>>concur to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for >>>>the Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. >>>> >>>>The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: >>>> >>>>Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned >>>>and his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last >>>>elections announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more >>>>months of term as it expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). >>>> >>>>I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger >>>>have also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared >>>>interest in putting everything back to work - from website and >>>>mailing list archives to elections. >>>> >>>>On that note, I would agree on running elections right away. And my >>>>suggestion would be to wait until the first or second week of August >>>>for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About >>>>this, I will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a >>>>tally and ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. >>>> >>>>If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. I >>>>understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting >>>>it in october as it would allow the new members (most likely >>>>BestBits members) to go through their 'period of grace' and be able >>>>to vote. >>>> >>>>Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. >>>> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>-- >>>>Bruna Martins dos Santos >>>>IGC Co-Coordinator >>>> >>>>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>>@boomartins >>>>--- >>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>List help: >> >> >>-- >>Bruna Martins dos Santos >> >>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>@boomartins >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 22 17:10:38 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Devon Blake (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:10:38 -0500 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: I am recommending Ifastnet.com for hosting, I am sure Jeremy will see its cheaper, much more secure at the price and have loads of tools. Devon Devon Blake ICT and Development Consultant 4 Arlington Ave Kgn 2 ,Phone: Office 876-649-9704, Mobile, digi 876-483-2632, flow 876-519-6266 linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/deblade To be kind, To be helpful, To network *Earthwise ... For Life!* On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:23 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Can you give us a few more details are the possible hosting Farzaneh? (who > it is where based etc) . And whether this could become a suitable permanent > site? > > Another thing is knowing what their platform and tools are, I am sure > whoever does the build (Peter? Imran?) will be keen to know that.. Some > contact details would help. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "farzaneh badii" > To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > Cc: "Ian Peter" ; "governance" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> > Sent: 20/07/2019 6:38:09 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was > IGC Website (Way Forward) > > Ok. > > Here is the suggested site map for the first stage: > 1. About Us > 2. IGC Charter > 3. Join Us > > > > As to the host, I can get a company to host us for free for one year. > > > > > > > Farzaneh > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> 1.The website is independent of elections. >> 2.On a practical note, it would be good to have a technical co-lead, >> suggest Imran Ahmed. >> 3.Perhaps, Farzaneh, you can draft a site map and invite us to comment. >> 4.In the meantime, there should be a plan for content management which is >> where you will need both Technical and Content. To this end, I suggest we >> rope in Avri who volunteered to assist if called upon on the 19th July, >> 2019. >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm farzaneh badii, >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Sala for being proactive. >>> >>> What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website revival >>> and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of course we need >>> to have the members listed at some point on the website but the revival of >>> the website should be kept separately and not dependent on elections etc >>> because otherwise we will be delayed. >>> >>> My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical >>> knowledge whatsoever) >>> >>> For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the sub-pages at >>> this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a mailing list link and a >>> join us page up. >>> >>> When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are ready >>> we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward and can be >>> done quickly. unless you think there might be technical issues. >>> >>> Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated members' >>> list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. >>> >>> As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple >>> design that provides an accessible page for us so that people know who we >>> are! I think our old website design was good. >>> >>> https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sala, >>>> >>>> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >>>> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >>>> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >>>> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >>>> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >>>> suggests we proceed. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> To: "governance" >>>> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >>>> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was >>>> IGC Website (Way Forward) >>>> >>>> Dear All. >>>> >>>> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be >>>> good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >>>> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >>>> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >>>> attached. >>>> >>>> For a bird's eye view: >>>> >>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >>>> >>>> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>>> >>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>>>> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >>>>> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >>>>> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >>>>> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>>>> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >>>>> community. >>>>> >>>>> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >>>>> >>>>> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >>>>> >>>>> *Website Development Team* >>>>> >>>>> *Confirmed* >>>>> >>>>> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >>>>> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >>>>> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >>>>> - Ian Peter (content) >>>>> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>>>> >>>>> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >>>>> >>>>> - Avri Doria >>>>> - Akinremi Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >>>>> >>>>> *Suggested General Strategy* >>>>> >>>>> - To create a Project Timeline >>>>> - To develop a Site Map >>>>> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these >>>>> on the site >>>>> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >>>>> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and >>>>> members to comment >>>>> - Launch the website >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Sala >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Jul 22 17:17:28 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:17:28 +0000 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: quick update here - a small group has been working off list on restoring the website, it is well under way and should be back on line and updated very soon! ------ Original Message ------ From: "Devon Blake" To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Cc: "farzaneh badii" ; "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "governance" Sent: 23/07/2019 7:10:38 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) > I am recommending Ifastnet.com for hosting, I am sure Jeremy will see >its cheaper, much more secure at the price and have loads of tools. > >Devon >Devon Blake >ICT and Development Consultant >4 Arlington Ave >Kgn 2 >,Phone: Office 876-649-9704, Mobile, digi 876-483-2632, flow >876-519-6266 >linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/deblade > > >To be kind, To be helpful, To network >Earthwise ... For Life! > > >On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:23 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: >>Can you give us a few more details are the possible hosting Farzaneh? >>(who it is where based etc) . And whether this could become a suitable >>permanent site? >> >>Another thing is knowing what their platform and tools are, I am sure >>whoever does the build (Peter? Imran?) will be keen to know that.. >>Some contact details would help. >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "farzaneh badii" >>To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >>Cc: "Ian Peter" ; "governance" >> >>Sent: 20/07/2019 6:38:09 AM >>Subject: Re: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ >>Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >> >>>Ok. >>> >>>Here is the suggested site map for the first stage: >>>1. About Us >>>2. IGC Charter >>>3. Join Us >>> >>> >>> >>>As to the host, I can get a company to host us for free for one year. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Farzaneh >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> wrote: >>>>Dear All, >>>> >>>>1.The website is independent of elections. >>>>2.On a practical note, it would be good to have a technical co-lead, >>>>suggest Imran Ahmed. >>>>3.Perhaps, Farzaneh, you can draft a site map and invite us to >>>>comment. >>>>4.In the meantime, there should be a plan for content management >>>>which is where you will need both Technical and Content. To this >>>>end, I suggest we rope in Avri who volunteered to assist if called >>>>upon on the 19th July, 2019. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Best Wishes, >>>>Sala >>>> >>>>On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm farzaneh badii, >>>> wrote: >>>>>Thank you Sala for being proactive. >>>>> >>>>>What I had in mind, for the sake of separating issues of website >>>>>revival and elections, was to bring IGC website back in stages. Of >>>>>course we need to have the members listed at some point on the >>>>>website but the revival of the website should be kept separately >>>>>and not dependent on elections etc because otherwise we will be >>>>>delayed. >>>>> >>>>>My suggestion would be (and as it is obvious I have no technical >>>>>knowledge whatsoever) >>>>> >>>>>For the moment, restore the about us page ( disregard the >>>>>sub-pages at this stage), restore the IGC charter page, put a >>>>>mailing list link and a join us page up. >>>>> >>>>>When the About us, charter page, and join us page is ready, we are >>>>>ready we can go live. This I believe is relatively straight forward >>>>>and can be done quickly. unless you think there might be technical >>>>>issues. >>>>> >>>>>Then we go to the second stage of gathering the most updated >>>>>members' list and create the other pages, gather archives etc. >>>>> >>>>>As to design and site map, I think we should just go with a simple >>>>>design that provides an accessible page for us so that people know >>>>>who we are! I think our old website design was good. >>>>> >>>>>https://web.archive.org/web/20170115142628/http://igcaucus.org/about >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Farzaneh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>Hi Sala, >>>>>> >>>>>>earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new >>>>>>website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this >>>>>>happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path >>>>>>forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and >>>>>>outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements? In >>>>>>any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ian >>>>>> >>>>>>------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>>> >>>>>>To: "governance" >>>>>>Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >>>>>>Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ >>>>>>Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dear All. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and >>>>>>>be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is >>>>>>>starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the >>>>>>>view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For >>>>>>>details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For a bird's eye view: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>followed by Migration and website maintenance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kind Regards, >>>>>>>Sala >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>Dear All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any >>>>>>>>further comments. As you can see, you have support of people >>>>>>>>stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to >>>>>>>>have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally >>>>>>>>artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to >>>>>>>>volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>>>>>>>oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to >>>>>>>>Bruna and the community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can >>>>>>>>start. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Website Development Team >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Confirmed >>>>>>>>Imran Ahmed Shah (technical)Tapani Tarvainen >>>>>>>>(technical)Farzaneh Badii (technical)Ian Peter >>>>>>>>(content)Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>>>>>>>Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions >>>>>>>>Avri Doria Akinremi Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Suggested General Strategy >>>>>>>>To create a Project TimelineTo develop a Site MapTo find >>>>>>>>archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the >>>>>>>>siteDevelop a Technical Team and a Content TeamOnce this is >>>>>>>>ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to >>>>>>>>commentLaunch the website >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Kind Regards, >>>>>>>>Sala >>>>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>>List help: >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(actually both a little less, because > following elections should be around June). > > Ian > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" > To: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > Cc: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com; "governance" > Sent: 23/07/2019 3:54:48 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections > > My view is that if Bruna is willing, able and acceptable to a reasonable > majority she can be the default choice for the interim 1 year. > > That way we will vote on one position only (the 2 year one) which is the > norm. > > Best, > C > > On Mon 22 Jul, 2019, 22:51 Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > >> May I suggest two co-coordinators slots, for one and two years, so that >> the term of both will not expire at same time. >> >> On Monday, 22 July 2019, 21:29:55 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! >> >> @Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term has expired >> for more than one year, but mine is only expired for less than two months. >> Nevertheless, I believe we should vote for the two co-coordinators slots. I >> am still eligible for re-election, but in case I dont run or get re-elected >> I will most definitely help with transition and concluding our processes. >> >> Best, >> Bruna >> >> Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar < >> chaitanyabd at gmail.com> a écrit : >> >> I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August. >> >> For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due to >> the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be eligible to >> vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their vote in the >> August election. >> >> What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a 1-year >> term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue to serve for >> a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 members? >> >> Best, >> >> *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* >> >> Linkedin | Blog >> | *Book Me* | Skype: >> chaitanyabd >> Mobile: +91.9820760253 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> Dear IGC Members, >> >> I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After >> reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur >> to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the >> Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. >> >> The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: >> >> *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned and >> his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last elections >> announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of term as it >> expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * >> >> I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have >> also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in >> putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to >> elections. >> >> On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my >> suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* >> for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. 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URL: From deborah at apc.org Tue Jul 23 13:28:36 2019 From: deborah at apc.org (Deborah Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:28:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: References: <1433884072.5430348.1563816059375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68bc37e9-b408-deec-3031-f95ba715f4f0@apc.org> Agree this sounds like a sensible approach. Thanks Bruna, and others, for suggesting this way forward. Deborah On 7/22/19 7:14 PM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Wonderful Bruna. Agree with elections held asap and Imran's suggestion > that one is for 1 year and the other for 2 years to continue the usual > rotation. > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, 9:32 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com > , > wrote: > > I thi.nk in the circumstances the two slots is a good idea - most > votes gets 2 years, second most 1 year. (actually both a little > less, because following elections should be around June). > > Ian > > > >   > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" > > To: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > > Cc: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com ; > "governance" > > Sent: 23/07/2019 3:54:48 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections > >> My view is that if Bruna is willing, able and acceptable to a >> reasonable majority she can be the default choice for the interim >> 1 year.  >> >> That way we will vote on one position only (the 2 year one) which >> is the norm.  >> >> Best, >> C >> >> On Mon 22 Jul, 2019, 22:51 Imran Ahmed Shah, > > wrote: >> >> May I suggest two co-coordinators slots, for one and two >> years, so that the term of both will not expire at same time. >> >> On Monday, 22 July 2019, 21:29:55 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos >> Santos > > wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for the replies so far, everyone!  >> >> @Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term >> has expired for more than one year, but mine is only expired >> for less than two months. Nevertheless, I believe we should >> vote for the two co-coordinators slots. I am still eligible >> for re-election, but in case I dont run or get re-elected I >> will most definitely help with transition and concluding our >> processes.  >> >> Best,  >> Bruna >> >> Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar >> > a écrit : >> >> I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August.  >> >> For those who've been BestBits members for a long >> timeframe, and due to the current circumstances, I would >> suggest that those who'll be eligible to vote as of 31st >> October should be permitted to cast their vote in the >> August election.  >> >> What's the plan to address the situation of 2 >> coordinators with a 1-year term overlap? Are we voting >> one member (and will you continue to serve for a while, >> to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 >> members? >> >> Best, >> >> *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* >> ** >> Linkedin | Blog >> | *Book Me* >> | Skype: chaitanyabd >> Mobile: +91.9820760253 >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos >> > > wrote: >> >> Dear IGC Members, >> >> I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections >> subject. After reading - and agreeing - to so many of >> your comments on the list, I concur to the idea that >> its best for us to host our elections for the >> Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. >> >> The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it >> follows: >> >> /Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, >> Arsene resigned and his term was also expired. In my >> case, after checking the last elections announcement >> I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of >> term as it expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). / >> >> I am happy that the discussion surrounding the >> IGC-BestBits merger have also helped us get this list >> back to activity and the shared interest in putting >> everything back to work - from website and mailing >> list archives to elections.  >> >> On that note,*I would agree on running elections >> right away*. And my suggestion would be to w*ait >> until the first or second week of August* for us to >> get some things in order to conduct this process. >> About this, I will need some help in setting a page >> to check-in members, a tally and ensuring that this >> elections is GDPR compliant.  >> * >> * >> *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by >> July 31st.  *I understand that some of our members >> considered the idea of hosting it in october as it >> would allow the new members (most likely BestBits >> members) to go through their 'period of grace' and be >> able to vote. >> >> Looking forward to hearing back from you on this.  >> >> Best Regards,  >> -- >> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* >> IGC Co-Coordinator  >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> > > >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > > >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -- Deborah Brown Global Policy Advocacy Lead Association for Progressive Communications (APC) www.apc.org deborah at apc.org @deblebrown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. > > While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be done > among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main and > authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request > everyone's attention to. > > thanks and best regards > > parminder > On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > List) wrote: > > Dear IGC members, > > As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around the > merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > > Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened > to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also > entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as the > decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list > . > > Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next > steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another > agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators > elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there is > also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as proper > outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join IGC. > > For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this > doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the > call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > > > Best Regards, > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 07:40:27 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> Dear IGC Members, As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is arranging offsite-backups. This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members and old ones. This is archived information. As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to help with organizing the elections. The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and suggestions. on behalf of [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] Imran Ahmed Shah [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 08:25:17 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:25:17 +0200 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep it that way. It is said on this link (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And then have them approve the request before the member is added to the mailing list? Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm my thinking. 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah : > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > arranging offsite-backups. > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members > and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From nb at bollow.ch Thu Jul 25 08:33:24 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:33:24 +0200 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190725143324.16d8c0d1@quill> Great thanks to all who are involved in this! Greetings, Norbert On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:40:27 +0000 (UTC) "Imran Ahmed Shah" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of > revival of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC > (made up of technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are > past coordinators) who have been working on restoration of the > website during last few days. Jeremy Malcom has sponsored five years > of hosting and I (under singed) Developed the Website. Contents are > obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a soft launch with > soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links are > removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen > is arranging offsite-backups. This dedicated team of volunteers > consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian > Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the > archives, mailing list and others over the time. The website > https://IGCaucus.org has been revived with the minimal necessary > requirements and now this Working Group of volunteers is working for > its enhancement and completion. We also need to be able to place time > triggers to differentiate between new members and old ones. This is > archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet > published. This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated > list of members, differentiate those who voted in the last elections > and who have been members for over 2 months. This would need us to > get involved with the matters related to elections which we think > should be done in coordination with IGC coordinator and perhaps a > group of volunteers who would like to help with organizing the > elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your > comments and suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > From ayden at ferdeline.com Thu Jul 25 08:49:16 2019 From: ayden at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:49:16 +0000 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who was involved in reviving the website, and for doing this so quickly. Ayden Férdeline ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, 25 July 2019 08:40, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is arranging offsite-backups. > > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. 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On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 13:33, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Great thanks to all who are involved in this! > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:40:27 +0000 (UTC) > "Imran Ahmed Shah" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > Dear IGC Members, > > > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of > > revival of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC > > (made up of technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are > > past coordinators) who have been working on restoration of the > > website during last few days. Jeremy Malcom has sponsored five years > > of hosting and I (under singed) Developed the Website. Contents are > > obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a soft launch with > > soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links are > > removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen > > is arranging offsite-backups. This dedicated team of volunteers > > consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian > > Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, Salanieta T. > > Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the > > archives, mailing list and others over the time. The website > > https://IGCaucus.org has been revived with the minimal necessary > > requirements and now this Working Group of volunteers is working for > > its enhancement and completion. We also need to be able to place time > > triggers to differentiate between new members and old ones. This is > > archived information. > > > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet > > published. This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated > > list of members, differentiate those who voted in the last elections > > and who have been members for over 2 months. This would need us to > > get involved with the matters related to elections which we think > > should be done in coordination with IGC coordinator and perhaps a > > group of volunteers who would like to help with organizing the > > elections. > > > > The website is now open for comments. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 08:54:48 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep it that way. It is said on this link (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And then have them approve the request before the member is added to the mailing list? Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm my thinking. 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah : > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > arranging offsite-backups. > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members > and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 09:38:22 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:38:22 -0300 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to see the IGC website back to work! Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees. Best Regards, Bruna Santos Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : > Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. > > >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they > can be added to the mailing list? > > Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as > alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that > the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, > may be arranged through the List administrator. > Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the > User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali < > arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. > > Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before > they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co > were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep > it that way. It is said on this link > (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to > governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. > > Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And > then have them approve the request before the member is added to the > mailing list? > > Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm > my thinking. > > > 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >: > > Dear IGC Members, > > > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of > revival > > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) > who > > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. > Jeremy > > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This > is a > > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken > links > > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > > arranging offsite-backups. > > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, > Avri > > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for > the > > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org > has > > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We > also > > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new > members > > and old ones. This is archived information. > > > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of > members, > > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > > matters related to elections which we think should be done in > coordination > > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > > help with organizing the elections. > > > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments > and > > suggestions. > > > > > > on behalf of > > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. UN IGF MAG > Member > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Thu Jul 25 09:46:33 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:46:33 +0100 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to work with you on this if that helps, Best On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to > see the IGC website back to work! > Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a > concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the > members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! > > Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the > BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be > important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS > coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if > everyone agrees. > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a > écrit : > >> Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >> >> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they >> can be added to the mailing list? >> >> Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as >> alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that >> the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, >> may be arranged through the List administrator. >> Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the >> User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali < >> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. >> >> Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before >> they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co >> were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep >> it that way. It is said on this link >> (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to >> governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. >> >> Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And >> then have them approve the request before the member is added to the >> mailing list? >> >> Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm >> my thinking. >> >> >> 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah > >: >> > Dear IGC Members, >> > >> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of >> revival >> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of >> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past >> coordinators) who >> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. >> Jeremy >> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) >> Developed >> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This >> is a >> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken >> links >> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be >> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is >> > arranging offsite-backups. >> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, >> Avri >> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, >> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for >> the >> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. >> > >> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, >> > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org >> has >> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this >> Working >> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We >> also >> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new >> members >> > and old ones. This is archived information. >> > >> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. >> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of >> members, >> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been >> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the >> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in >> coordination >> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to >> > help with organizing the elections. >> > >> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments >> and >> > suggestions. >> > >> > >> > on behalf of >> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] >> > >> > Imran Ahmed Shah >> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* * >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> *, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> GPG: 523644A0 >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> < >> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> > >> >> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> Member >> > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Thu Jul 25 10:01:10 2019 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (=?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMgUHJpbmNlIFVkb2NodWt3dSBOauG7jWvhu6U=?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:01:10 +0100 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Superb team. The Website is splendid. It opens well on Firefox, Chrome and Edge. [image: Thumb Up_20190517_001536_720.jpg] Maybe during updating the Website, it may be useful to 1. Add years they served (e. g. 2007-2009) to the names of the wonderful past coordinators listed on *About-Co coordinators page*; 2. Delete from *IGC Charter page* the first line ‘IGC Charter’, and maybe put IGC in parenthesis between the full name and Charter on second line which then becomes the page heading, thus: Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) Charter. Cheers! CPU Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. Computer Communications Centre University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:55 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. > > >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they > can be added to the mailing list? > > Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as > alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that > the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, > may be arranged through the List administrator. > Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the > User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali < > arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. > > Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before > they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co > were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep > it that way. It is said on this link > (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to > governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. > > Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And > then have them approve the request before the member is added to the > mailing list? > > Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm > my thinking. > > > 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >: > > Dear IGC Members, > > > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of > revival > > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) > who > > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. > Jeremy > > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This > is a > > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken > links > > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > > arranging offsite-backups. > > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, > Avri > > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for > the > > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org > has > > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We > also > > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new > members > > and old ones. This is archived information. > > > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of > members, > > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > > matters related to elections which we think should be done in > coordination > > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > > help with organizing the elections. > > > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments > and > > suggestions. > > > > > > on behalf of > > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. UN IGF MAG > Member > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Thumb Up_20190517_001536_720.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 16883 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Jul 17 01:28:15 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 05:28:15 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Bruna, On a more substantive matter - Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the IGC Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Parminder" Cc: "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >Agree with Parminder. > >On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >wrote: >>HI Bruna/ All >> >>Good morning to all! >> >>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>ensure that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>done among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >>main and authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which >>I request everyone's attention to. >> >>thanks and best regards >> >>parminder >> >>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>List) wrote: >>>Dear IGC members, >>> >>>As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>>the merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>> >>>Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of >>>us convened to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination >>>and that also entailed the merger debate. The summary of the >>>discussion, as well as the decision on closing BestBits can all be >>>found at the BestBits list >>>. >>> >>>Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>>steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>Another agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>co-coordinators elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC >>>related subjects, there is also the need to discuss a proper closure >>>for BestBits, as well as proper outreach in a transparent way and the >>>possibility for members to join IGC. >>> >>>For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>created this doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>>availability for the call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>> >>>Best Regards, >>> >>>-- >>>Bruna Martins dos Santos >>> >>>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>@boomartins >>> >>>--- >>>To unsubscribe: >>>List help: >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 19:02:18 GMT+5, Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: Superb team. The Website is splendid.  It opens well on Firefox, Chrome and Edge.  Maybe during updating the Website, it may be useful to - Add years they served (e. g.  2007-2009) to the names of the wonderful past coordinators listed on About-Co coordinators page; - Delete from IGC Charter page the first line ‘IGC Charter’, and maybe put IGC in parenthesis between the full name and Charter on second line which then becomes the page heading, thus: Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) Charter. Cheers! CPU Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ, Ph.D.Computer Communications CentreUniversity of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 at DrCPUNjoku  We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:55 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep it that way. It is said on this link (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And then have them approve the request before the member is added to the mailing list? Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm my thinking. 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah : > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > arranging offsite-backups. > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members > and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would be grateful if you could share this information with your constituents. Best regards Chengetai -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 12:43:49 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Bruna and Sheetal,I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar wrote: Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to work with you on this if that helps, Best On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to see the IGC website back to work! Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not!  Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees.  Best Regards, Bruna Santos  Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep it that way. It is said on this link (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And then have them approve the request before the member is added to the mailing list? Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm my thinking. 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah : > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > arranging offsite-backups. > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members > and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member -- Bruna Martins dos Santos  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins --- To unsubscribe: List help: -- Sheetal KumarProgramme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITALSecond Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JLT: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 13:44:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:44:16 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF 2019 registration now open. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes Arsene On Thu, 25 Jul 2019, 5:29 pm Arsène Tungali, wrote: > You may have seen this already but just in case! > > Do we need a bilateral room? For a reason or another! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Dear All, > > Registration for the IGF2019 meeting is now open: > https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-registration > > Also, the bilateral room reservation system : > > https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/user/login?destination=room_reservations/11/25 > > And > > the remote hub registration : > https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-remote-hubs > > is online. > > I would be grateful if you could share this information with your > constituents. > > Best regards > > Chengetai > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. UN IGF MAG > Member > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 15:06:37 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:06:37 -0400 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry for coming and going. Congratulations for the website - both how much you've done and the speed you did it with! If Bestbits is now closed IGC needs to try to stop talking about it? And IGC probably shouldn't be treating Bestbits former members as "different"? The exception obviously is the archive which MUST be clearly attributed to Bestbits, which everyone agrees about anyway. All the best Deirdre On Thu, 25 Jul 2019, 12:44 Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > Dear Bruna and Sheetal, > I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC > Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users > who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... > > Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are > uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host > the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. > > Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar < > sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: > > > Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to > work with you on this if that helps, > > Best > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to > see the IGC website back to work! > Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a > concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the > members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! > > Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the > BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be > important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS > coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if > everyone agrees. > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a > écrit : > > Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. > > >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they > can be added to the mailing list? > > Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as > alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that > the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, > may be arranged through the List administrator. > Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the > User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali < > arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. > > Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before > they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co > were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep > it that way. It is said on this link > (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to > governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. > > Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And > then have them approve the request before the member is added to the > mailing list? > > Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm > my thinking. > > > 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >: > > Dear IGC Members, > > > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of > revival > > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) > who > > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. > Jeremy > > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This > is a > > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken > links > > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > > arranging offsite-backups. > > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, > Avri > > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for > the > > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org > has > > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We > also > > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new > members > > and old ones. This is archived information. > > > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of > members, > > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > > matters related to elections which we think should be done in > coordination > > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > > help with organizing the elections. > > > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments > and > > suggestions. > > > > > > on behalf of > > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. 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URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Jul 25 16:41:03 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:41:03 +0000 Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists In-Reply-To: <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users so I don't see the point. Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector, tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested to follow our discussions on internet governance issues. IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a discussion as the election process gets underway. Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter says. But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the elections. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" ; "Sheetal Kumar" Cc: "Arsène Tungali" ; "governance at lists.riseup.net" Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement >Dear Bruna and Sheetal, >I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC >Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits >users who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... > >Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are >uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to >host the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. > >Regards > >Imran Ahmed Shah > >On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > > >Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy >to work with you on this if that helps, > >Best > >On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos > wrote: >>Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling >>to see the IGC website back to work! >>Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have >>a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the >>members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or >>not! >> >>Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of >>the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It >>would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of >>IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on >>this, if everyone agrees. >> >>Best Regards, >>Bruna Santos >> >> >>Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a >>écrit : >>>Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >>> >>> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before >>>they can be added to the mailing list? >>> >>>Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as >>>alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming >>>that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not >>>activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. >>>Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until >>>the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. >>> >>>Best Regards >>> >>>Imran Ahmed Shah >>> >>>On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back >>>online. >>> >>>Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before >>>they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co >>>co >>>were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can >>>keep >>>it that way. It is said on this link >>>(https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to >>>governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. >>> >>>Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And >>>then have them approve the request before the member is added to the >>>mailing list? >>> >>>Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to >>>confirm >>>my thinking. >>> >>> >>>2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >>>: >>> > Dear IGC Members, >>> > >>> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of >>>revival >>> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made >>>up of >>> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past >>>coordinators) who >>> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few >>>days. Jeremy >>> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) >>>Developed >>> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. >>>This is a >>> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. >>>Broken links >>> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has >>>to be >>> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani >>>Tarvainen is >>> > arranging offsite-backups. >>> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter >>>Taiwo, Avri >>> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, >>> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads >>>for the >>> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. >>> > >>> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the >>>archives, >>> > mailing list and others over the time. The website >>>https://IGCaucus.org has >>> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this >>>Working >>> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. >>>We also >>> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new >>>members >>> > and old ones. This is archived information. >>> > >>> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet >>>published. >>> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of >>>members, >>> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have >>>been >>> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with >>>the >>> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in >>>coordination >>> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would >>>like to >>> > help with organizing the elections. >>> > >>> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your >>>comments and >>> > suggestions. >>> > >>> > >>> > on behalf of >>> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] >>> > >>> > Imran Ahmed Shah >>> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet >>>Society] >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>>-- >>>------------------------ >>>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>*, >>>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>GPG: 523644A0 >>> >>>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>< >>>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>> >>>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> Member. UN IGF MAG >>> Member >> >> >>-- >>Bruna Martins dos Santos >> >>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>@boomartins >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: > > > > >-- > > >Sheetal Kumar >Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31 >| > >--- >To unsubscribe: >List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Jul 25 16:46:42 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:46:42 +0000 Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry, one phrase in this was not clear > And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. What I meant to convey is that if you do not vote - and indicating a no preference vote is considered a vote for this purpose - you are no longer an IGC member. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" To: ias_pk at yahoo.com; "Bruna Martins dos Santos" ; "Sheetal Kumar" Cc: "Arsène Tungali" ; "governance at lists.riseup.net" Sent: 26/07/2019 6:41:03 AM Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists >I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who >join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the >maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart >from that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate >list users so I don't see the point. > >Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing >list users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who >wont identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private >sector, tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are >interested to follow our discussions on internet governance issues. > >IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent >coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in >this process identified as civil society members. I think we also in >this era have to ask their permission as part of this voting process >for their names to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by >Bruna). That's a discussion as the election process gets underway. > >Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the >opportunity to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, >and thus be listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or >indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's >what the Charter says. > >But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list >members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their >permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the >elections. > > >Ian > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" >To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" ; "Sheetal Kumar" > >Cc: "Arsène Tungali" ; >"governance at lists.riseup.net" >Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM >Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement > >>Dear Bruna and Sheetal, >>I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC >>Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits >>users who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... >> >>Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are >>uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to >>host the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. >> >>Regards >> >>Imran Ahmed Shah >> >>On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar >> wrote: >> >> >>Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy >>to work with you on this if that helps, >> >>Best >> >>On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos >> wrote: >>>Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely >>>thrilling to see the IGC website back to work! >>>Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have >>>a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing >>>the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, >>>or not! >>> >>>Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of >>>the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It >>>would be important to have a more consistent place with the history >>>of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting >>>material on this, if everyone agrees. >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Bruna Santos >>> >>> >>>Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a >>>écrit : >>>>Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >>>> >>>> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before >>>>they can be added to the mailing list? >>>> >>>>Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as >>>>alternative to the previously referred page of registration. >>>>Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If >>>>it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. >>>>Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until >>>>the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. >>>> >>>>Best Regards >>>> >>>>Imran Ahmed Shah >>>> >>>>On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back >>>>online. >>>> >>>>Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before >>>>they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co >>>>co >>>>were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can >>>>keep >>>>it that way. It is said on this link >>>>(https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to >>>>governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. >>>> >>>>Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And >>>>then have them approve the request before the member is added to the >>>>mailing list? >>>> >>>>Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to >>>>confirm >>>>my thinking. >>>> >>>> >>>>2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >>>>: >>>> > Dear IGC Members, >>>> > >>>> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of >>>>revival >>>> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made >>>>up of >>>> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past >>>>coordinators) who >>>> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few >>>>days. Jeremy >>>> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) >>>>Developed >>>> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. >>>>This is a >>>> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. >>>>Broken links >>>> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has >>>>to be >>>> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani >>>>Tarvainen is >>>> > arranging offsite-backups. >>>> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter >>>>Taiwo, Avri >>>> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy >>>>Malcolm, >>>> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads >>>>for the >>>> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. >>>> > >>>> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the >>>>archives, >>>> > mailing list and others over the time. The website >>>>https://IGCaucus.org has >>>> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this >>>>Working >>>> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. >>>>We also >>>> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between >>>>new members >>>> > and old ones. This is archived information. >>>> > >>>> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet >>>>published. >>>> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of >>>>members, >>>> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have >>>>been >>>> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with >>>>the >>>> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in >>>>coordination >>>> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would >>>>like to >>>> > help with organizing the elections. >>>> > >>>> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your >>>>comments and >>>> > suggestions. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > on behalf of >>>> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] >>>> > >>>> > Imran Ahmed Shah >>>> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet >>>>Society] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>------------------------ >>>>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>*, >>>>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>>GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>>< >>>>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>>> >>>>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> Member. UN IGF >>>>MAG >>>> Member >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Bruna Martins dos Santos >>> >>>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>@boomartins >>>--- >>>To unsubscribe: >>>List help: >> > >> >> >>-- >> >> >>Sheetal Kumar >>Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31 >>| >> >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andersj at elon.edu Thu Jul 25 17:45:40 2019 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:45:40 +0000 Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6E4100A6-7561-4EB3-BBAA-37D33194469B@elon.edu> I’d like to note that this important conversation has been going on so long, with so very many email exchanges that it is important to make the subject line extremely clear when there is finally a vote, so people understand that they must respond or not be counted. Something like: VOTE NOW on IGC – Weigh in or be left out Janna Anderson From: on behalf of "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Reply-To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Date: Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 4:47 PM To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "ias_pk at yahoo.com" , Bruna Martins dos Santos , Sheetal Kumar Cc: Arsène Tungali , "governance at lists.riseup.net" Subject: Re: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists Sorry, one phrase in this was not clear > And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. What I meant to convey is that if you do not vote - and indicating a no preference vote is considered a vote for this purpose - you are no longer an IGC member. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > To: ias_pk at yahoo.com; "Bruna Martins dos Santos" >; "Sheetal Kumar" > Cc: "Arsène Tungali" >; "governance at lists.riseup.net" > Sent: 26/07/2019 6:41:03 AM Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users so I don't see the point. Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector, tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested to follow our discussions on internet governance issues. IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a discussion as the election process gets underway. Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter says. But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the elections. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" >; "Sheetal Kumar" > Cc: "Arsène Tungali" >; "governance at lists.riseup.net" > Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement Dear Bruna and Sheetal, I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to work with you on this if that helps, Best On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos > wrote: Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to see the IGC website back to work! Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees. Best Regards, Bruna Santos Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah > a écrit : Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali > wrote: Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep it that way. It is said on this link (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And then have them approve the request before the member is added to the mailing list? Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm my thinking. 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >: > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > arranging offsite-backups. > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members > and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* >* Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >*, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >*, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 25 17:33:49 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:33:49 +0100 Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ian I totally agree with your submission. The list be comprehensive after forthcoming election Regards On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 9:41 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who join > the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the maintenance > problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from that, most > mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users so I don't > see the point. > > Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list > users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont > identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector, > tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested > to follow our discussions on internet governance issues. > > IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent > coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this > process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era > have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names > to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a > discussion as the election process gets underway. > > Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity > to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be > listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no > preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter > says. > > But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list > members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their > permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the > elections. > > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" ; "Sheetal Kumar" < > sheetal at gp-digital.org> > Cc: "Arsène Tungali" ; " > governance at lists.riseup.net" > Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement > > Dear Bruna and Sheetal, > I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC > Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users > who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... > > Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are > uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host > the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. > > Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar < > sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: > > > Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to > work with you on this if that helps, > > Best > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to > see the IGC website back to work! > Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a > concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the > members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! > > Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the > BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be > important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS > coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if > everyone agrees. > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a > écrit : > > Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. > > >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they > can be added to the mailing list? > > Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as > alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that > the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, > may be arranged through the List administrator. > Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the > User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali < > arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. > > Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before > they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co > were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep > it that way. It is said on this link > (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to > governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. > > Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And > then have them approve the request before the member is added to the > mailing list? > > Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm > my thinking. > > > 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah >: > > Dear IGC Members, > > > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of > revival > > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) > who > > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. > Jeremy > > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This > is a > > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken > links > > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > > arranging offsite-backups. > > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, > Avri > > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for > the > > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org > has > > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We > also > > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new > members > > and old ones. This is archived information. > > > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of > members, > > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > > matters related to elections which we think should be done in > coordination > > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > > help with organizing the elections. > > > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments > and > > suggestions. > > > > > > on behalf of > > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. 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URL: From roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca Fri Jul 26 09:16:07 2019 From: roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:16:07 +0000 Subject: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) In-Reply-To: <20190720132656.390d6686@quill> References: <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274@mail.yahoo.com> <20190719194525.400951ce@quill> <20190720132656.390d6686@quill> Message-ID: Hi all, Can anyone join the IGC, for example, a corporation as a person, an industry lobbyist, etc? In other words, is it assumed that members are joining as individuals rather than as representatives of their organizations or workplaces? Members self-select, right? There is no vetting process, is that correct? When one joins, does one need to select any feature that indicates that they agree to abide by the Charter? Also, if a member does not abide by the Charter, how is that determined and what happens as a result please? Thank you, B Lentz From sheetal at gp-digital.org Wed Jul 17 05:44:57 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:44:57 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear all, While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c August 5. Best Sheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > Bruna, > > On a more substantive matter - > > Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the IGC > Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 > you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get > back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? > > Ian Peter > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Parminder" > Cc: "governance" > Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero > event and other subjects > > Agree with Parminder. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, wrote: > >> HI Bruna/ All >> >> Good morning to all! >> >> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please ensure >> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be done >> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main and >> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >> everyone's attention to. >> >> thanks and best regards >> >> parminder >> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >> List) wrote: >> >> Dear IGC members, >> >> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around the >> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >> >> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened >> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as the >> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >> . >> >> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another >> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there is >> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as proper >> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join IGC. >> >> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the >> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 26 13:10:29 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:10:29 +0100 Subject: [governance] US State Department Remarks at the 2019 Internet Governance Forum USA Conference In-Reply-To: <17390890.900@public.govdelivery.com> References: <17390890.900@public.govdelivery.com> Message-ID: FYI ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: U.S. Department of State Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 3:37 pm Subject: Remarks at the 2019 Internet Governance Forum USA Conference To: You are subscribed to Economic, Energy, Agricultural and Trade Issues for U.S. Department of State. This information has recently been updated, and is now available. Remarks at the 2019 Internet Governance Forum USA Conference 07/25/2019 07:00 PM EDT *As Prepared* *Introduction* Cyber attacks. Disinformation campaigns. The fragmentation of the Internet. Surveillance capitalism, or even worse, the surveillance state. The U.S. Director of National Intelligence testified this year that U.S. Strategic competitors will increasingly use cyber capabilities to seek political, economic, and military advantage over the United States. They will seek to steal information, to influence our citizens, and to disrupt critical infrastructure. It is fair to say that the model of an open and interoperable internet, driven by the multi-stakeholder approach, is facing challenges by those that are threatened by the benefits it can bring. Given the critical importance of the Internet to our economy and our society, our very way of life seems at stake.The risks are real, yet the “doom and gloom” masks the fact that the Internet remains an engine for our prosperity. It provides unparalleled access to information that, when used for good, allows the whole of humanity to learn from our accumulated knowledge. It enables commerce across borders, which improves people’s lives and standards of living. It fosters discussion, debate, civic engagement, freedom of expression, and transparency. It connects us. To maintain our vision of an open, interoperable, reliable, and secure Internet, we must stand up for our fundamental values. This means adherence to the rule of law and the free flow of data across borders. It also means respect for privacy and the exercise of human rights online. In my capacity as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Cyber and International Communications and Information Policy, I lead a team that works hand-in-hand with colleagues throughout the interagency to protect and advance these values every day. Let me share with you how the State Department and the U.S. government is putting these values into action in engagements on emerging technology, cybersecurity, and in dealing with some of the authoritarian uses of technology that we see bubbling up in parts of the world. The U.S. government could not do it without our private sector, academic, civil society, and foreign partners. This is the multi-stakeholder model of Internet governance supported by the Internet Governance Forum, and it is why I am so happy to be with you today. Given the borderless nature of much of cyberspace, and the need to advance the values of both privacy and security, we must avoid falling into the trap of false choices. We do not need to sacrifice the free flow of data across borders in order to protect and secure personal data. World-class cybersecurity can protect data wherever it resides in the cloud; and common, interoperable data protection principles that democracies share can guard privacy around the globe. We must work with other countries to find interoperable solutions, because a fragmented Internet with unpredictable rules will frustrate innovation, limit the reach of its benefits, and result in unnecessarily bureaucratic processes and regulations. *Artificial Intelligence* Artificial Intelligence is an emerging technology with great potential. We are engaging with our allies and partners to develop sound policies to ensure this technology supports our interests and values. As I am sure most of you are aware, President Trump signed an Executive Order in February creating the American AI Initiative. The United States firmly believes that AI can have a positive, meaningful impact on our world. We want to reduce barriers to the use of AI technologies to promote their innovative application. As the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s excellent Going Digital report highlighted, we need to foster entrepreneurship by reducing regulatory burdens for start-ups and re-evaluate regulations that may not fit the digital age. If we get the policy right, and remain true to our values, we can achieve an AI future that enriches the lives of our citizens, promotes innovation, and ensures our national and economic security. The State Department’s role in implementing this initiative is to foster an international environment that is open to American AI research and development and the adoption of AI in society. A great example of how we do that is facilitating the recent OECD Recommendation on AI, the first set of inter-governmental principles aimed at fostering trustworthy AI. The OECD Recommendation identifies principles for the responsible stewardship of trustworthy AI. These are things that I am sure many of you have thought about: - AI should be human-centered and embody fairness. - It should be transparent and explainable. - It should be robust, safe, and secure. - It should be accountable. - At the same time, it should contribute to our economic growth and the well-being of society. The OECD Recommendation takes a holistic approach to AI with a strong emphasis on international, crosscutting collaboration among governments, the private sector, and civil society. Above all, it reaffirms a commitment to strengthen public trust, protect individual liberties, and remain true to our shared values—respect for democracy, the rule of law, privacy, and intellectual property. One example of this is demanding explainability and responsible disclosure, so that those affected by an AI system can understand the outcome and – if they have been adversely affected – challenge it. In this way, we can work to ensure that AI is not used in an inappropriate or discriminatory manner. We are very pleased that the OECD Recommendation on AI addresses so many of the issues being tackled by the American AI Initiative. It has been picked up in the Leaders Statement at the G-20 as well, so its influence is growing. *Cybersecurity, Deterrence, and 5G * Let me turn now to cybersecurity. Increasingly sophisticated cyber attacks and cyberspace campaigns — by criminals and states — jeopardize the value that we derive from the Internet and digital technology. The theft of confidential business information, intellectual property, and personal information all can have significant negative repercussions and undermines our privacy, economic competitiveness, and security. So what are some of the ways that we in government can protect the security of our nation, while not limiting innovation, decreasing access to technologies, reducing competition, or creating trade barriers? One way to do this is by providing industry with a clear regulatory environment that is stable, predictable, technology-neutral, and risk-based. With regard to the development of security standards, technical experts in the private sector and government are best qualified to recommend what is the most efficient and effective. In general, standards should be voluntary, market-driven, and established through multi-stakeholder processes. The NIST Cybersecurity Framework is an excellent example of this — a voluntary, multi-stakeholder process that resulted in a risk-based flexible framework for managing cyber risk. As we strive to enhance the security and resiliency of the global cyber ecosystem, our focus is on deterring malicious activity in cyberspace and cyber-enabled behavior, securing critical infrastructure, particularly telecommunications supply chains, and countering disinformation and propaganda online. Last September, the White House released a National Cyber Strategy that provides a framework for how the U.S. government will work to secure and preserve cyberspace for future generations. For more than a decade, we have been working to promote responsible state behavior in cyberspace with tremendous success. We have seen growing consensus around three key elements of an international cyber stability framework: - *First*, affirmation that existing international law applies to state behavior in cyberspace. We already have effective legal constructs in place and do not need new legal instruments. - *Second*, adherence to certain non-binding norms of responsible state behavior in cyberspace during peacetime; - *And third*, the development and implementation of practical confidence-building measures to reduce the risk of conflict in cyberspace. These elements have long been used to enhance international stability in other areas of transnational concern. Together they build trust, enhance transparency, and decrease the risk of conflict. Indeed, all UN Member States have affirmed such a framework in their adoption of the UN Group of Governmental Experts’ consensus reports of 2013 and 2015. We will continue to work in the new UNGGE on responsible state behavior in cyberspace. While the United States continues to build international consensus around this framework, we recognize that some states are not willing to abide by it. We believe that if states engage in significant disruptive, destructive, or otherwise destabilizing malicious cyber activity, they should face consequences. That is why the National Cyber Strategy calls on the United States to “develop swift and transparent consequences” that we will impose “to deter future bad behavior.” These should be carried out in concert with international partners that seek to hold states accountable for significant acts that are contrary to the framework of responsible state behavior. To that end, we are building a coalition of like-minded states called the Cyber Deterrence Initiative. We areencouraged to see a growing number of governments beginning to work together to condemn malicious cyber activity. From WannaCry to NotPetya to APT10, more and more countries are attributing cyber attacks or issuing statements of support to those that do. The Cyber Deterrence Initiative builds on a foundation of transparency. Transparency about our cyber activities, about the norms of responsible state behavior, and about deterrence actions. Our approach will be consistent with international law and with non-binding peacetime norms of state behavior. Along with deterring, countering, and contesting malicious foreign state behavior and improving network defenses, we also must focus on the security of our telecommunications networks and supply chains, especially when it comes to the Fifth Generation of wireless technology, or 5G. I do not need to tell this group that 5G will be transformative. Tens of billions of new devices and sensors will be connected to the Internet via 5G in the next few years, including critical services like electricity distribution. Given 5G’s scope, the stakes for safeguarding these vital networks could not be higher. The United States is urging countries to adopt a risk-based security framework for the construction of all elements of 5G networks, including a careful evaluation of hardware and software equipment vendors in the supply chain. We urge nations to consider whether vendors could be ordered to undermine network security—to steal personal information, conduct industrial espionage, disrupt critical services, or conduct cyber-attacks. It is critical that we not allow 5G communications networks to be a conduit for the exfiltration of personal data or commercial IP to authoritarian governments. We are concerned that China’s National Intelligence Law allows it to compel 5G vendor companies, such as Huawei, to take such actions against our national interests and values or those of our partners. Therefore, we have undertaken a worldwide campaign urging countries to improve communications security standards, as we have in our country. *Authoritarian models for Internet control* This brings me to my final point: We are increasingly concerned that authoritarian regimes are using the Internet and emerging technologies as tools for repression. For a disturbing example of this, look at Xinjiang and how the Chinese government uses technology to target individuals arbitrarily for pervasive, high-tech surveillance, to collect personal data involuntarily, and to suppress freedom of expression, religious freedom, and other human rights. Alarmingly, China is beginning to export this model to others keen on exploiting this technology to monitor and control their own populations. Our democratic values and institutions are also under direct attack through digitally enabled means. As we saw in the lead-up to the 2016 election and similar efforts at foreign malign influence in democracies across the globe, the legitimacy of our political institutions and cohesion of our society are in the cross hairs of our adversaries. We are working within our government and with democratic countries and the private sector to protect and defend ourselves from these attacks and influence campaigns in the future. We are also working with our partners to prevent states that view the open Internet as a political threat from transforming it into an authoritarian tool for social and economic The challenges we face are part of a larger philosophical debate that is shaping the future of the internet, of emerging technologies, and of global society. Our task – as a government and as a society – is to confront these challenges and thwart malicious actors while upholding our values and the important benefits that come from an open, interoperable, secure, and reliable information and communications infrastructure. The State Department, in coordination with other government agencies, is building a cyber and digital economy policy that protects the United States and our allies, ensures that we can all reap the benefits of the open Internet, and that promotes an environment that enables American and international innovation. We will continue to engage multilaterally, at places like the OECD, to promote international norms and best practices based on our shared values and democratic principles. We will use our 100+ cyber and digital economy officers at U.S. embassies around the world to engage directly with our foreign counterparts and push back against those who view information as a threat. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:11:40 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: Presidential Candidate Sues Google for Suspending Her Ads After Debate; more... In-Reply-To: <5F.6D.10706.5F51B3D5@momentum-soi-02-mta2.prod.aweberint.com> References: <5F.6D.10706.5F51B3D5@momentum-soi-02-mta2.prod.aweberint.com> Message-ID: I found Gubbard's suit against Google quite interesting. See below: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: GigaLaw Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 4:02 pm Subject: Presidential Candidate Sues Google for Suspending Her Ads After Debate; more... To: Salanieta [image: Giga.Law] *About GigaLaw* This GigaLaw email newsletter is published by *Doug Isenberg (above)* , an attorney and founder of The GigaLaw Firm . 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The lawsuit, filed in a federal court in Los Angeles, is believed to be the first time a presidential candidate has sued a major technology firm. - Read the article: The New York Times Russian Hackers Targeted Election Systems in 50 States, Committee Says The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that election systems in all 50 states were targeted by Russia in 2016, largely undetected by the states and federal officials at the time, but at the demand of American intelligence agencies the committee was forced to redact its findings so heavily that key lessons for the 2020 election are blacked out. 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Box 421924 Atlanta GA 30342 USA Unsubscribe | Change Subscriber Options -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Fri Jul 26 17:46:52 2019 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (=?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMgUHJpbmNlIFVkb2NodWt3dSBOauG7jWvhu6U=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:46:52 +0100 Subject: [governance] Confusion about members lists and mailing lists In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> <2003165489.2592315.1564073029982@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ian is spot on. What I read in the charter and took time to understand is that voting in a co-co election makes someone a member of IGC, else someone is just mailing list user. *What isn't clear to me is whether IGC allows someone to be both an IGC member and a member of another stakeholder group*. I recall a case where Wisdom Donkor expressed interest on this list (as an IGC member) and was nominated as a CS rep (from IGC) but later was discovered to be already a government rep. That actually caused IGC to withdraw his nomination. I'm seeking this clarification based on the following questions: When a person in multiple stakeholder groups is in MAG, for example, whose interest is the person really representing? How will the person make submissions in the representative body? Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. Computer Communications Centre University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:48 PM Remmy Nweke wrote: > Thanks Ian > I totally agree with your submission. The list be comprehensive after > forthcoming election > Regards > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 9:41 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> I disagree with the concept of publishing lists on line of people who >> join the mailing list. Apart from the GDPR and privacy issues, the >> maintenance problems for such a list are not worth the effort. Apart from >> that, most mailing list software platforms have ways to locate list users >> so I don't see the point. >> >> Also - there is often confusion in these discussions between mailing list >> users and IGC members. The mailing list contains many people who wont >> identify as IGC members - people who are from government, private sector, >> tech community etc who do not identify as civil society but are interested >> to follow our discussions on internet governance issues. >> >> IGC members, on the other hand, are people who voted in the most recent >> coordinator elections (or indicated a no preference vote) and who in this >> process identified as civil society members. I think we also in this era >> have to ask their permission as part of this voting process for their names >> to be listed online as IGC members. (as pointed out by Bruna). That's a >> discussion as the election process gets underway. >> >> Everyone on the mailing list for more than 2 months gets the opportunity >> to vote if they wish to and consider themselves qualified, and thus be >> listed as an IGC member. And if you do not vote, or indicate a no >> preference vote, you are no longer an IGC member. That's what the Charter >> says. >> >> But as regards lists on line - we should not be listing mailing list >> members. If we do intend to list IGC members, we have to ask their >> permission: and we will only have a reasonable members list after the >> elections. >> >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" >> To: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" ; "Sheetal Kumar" < >> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >> Cc: "Arsène Tungali" ; " >> governance at lists.riseup.net" >> Sent: 26/07/2019 2:43:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement >> >> Dear Bruna and Sheetal, >> I also support this idea of establishing some pages with in the IGC >> Website, a) Welcome to the Best Bits User. b). List of the Best Bits users >> who has join the IGC. and Keeping them updated regularly.... >> >> Secondly, if agrees, as soon as the archived statements of the IGC are >> uploaded, one parallel page for BB Statements could be established to host >> the BestBits Statements and endorsement record. >> >> Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:47:05 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar < >> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >> >> >> Thanks Bruna, I think an on-boarding page is an excellent idea. Happy to >> work with you on this if that helps, >> >> Best >> >> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to >> see the IGC website back to work! >> Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a >> concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the >> members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not! >> >> Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the >> BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be >> important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS >> coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if >> everyone agrees. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bruna Santos >> >> >> Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a >> écrit : >> >> Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >> >> >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they >> can be added to the mailing list? >> >> Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as >> alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that >> the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, >> may be arranged through the List administrator. >> Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the >> User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali < >> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. >> >> Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before >> they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co >> were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep >> it that way. It is said on this link >> (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to >> governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. >> >> Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And >> then have them approve the request before the member is added to the >> mailing list? >> >> Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm >> my thinking. >> >> >> 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah > >: >> > Dear IGC Members, >> > >> > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of >> revival >> > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of >> > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past >> coordinators) who >> > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. >> Jeremy >> > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) >> Developed >> > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This >> is a >> > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken >> links >> > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be >> > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is >> > arranging offsite-backups. >> > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, >> Avri >> > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, >> > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for >> the >> > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. >> > >> > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, >> > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org >> has >> > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this >> Working >> > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We >> also >> > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new >> members >> > and old ones. This is archived information. >> > >> > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. >> > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of >> members, >> > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been >> > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the >> > matters related to elections which we think should be done in >> coordination >> > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to >> > help with organizing the elections. >> > >> > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments >> and >> > suggestions. >> > >> > >> > on behalf of >> > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] >> > >> > Imran Ahmed Shah >> > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* * >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> *, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> GPG: 523644A0 >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> < >> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> > >> >> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> Member >> >> >> >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: > > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31 >> | >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sat Jul 27 16:55:55 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:55:55 +0000 Subject: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) In-Reply-To: References: <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1269784581.4360079.1563554260274@mail.yahoo.com> <20190719194525.400951ce@quill> <20190720132656.390d6686@quill> Message-ID: Hi Becky, I was hoping someone else would answer your query, and the similar one raised by Chris Prince under another subject. But seeing there have been no replies: Anyone can join the mailing list (I think thats a good thing). But to vote and thereby become a member, you have to self identify as civil society during the voting process. There is no clear definition here, and I wouldnt want to try and create one, as many of us are hybrids but choose to identify with civil society. Should any problem arise because of someone falsely identifying, I believe the coordinators have enough power to deal with it on a case by case basis - and if someone is not happy with their judgement then an appeals process can be undertaken. There is a lot of relevant copy in the Charter and other information on www.igcaucus.org - but I don't think a clear answer to the questions! Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Becky Lentz" To: "governance at lists.riseup.net" Sent: 26/07/2019 11:16:07 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) >Hi all, > >Can anyone join the IGC, for example, a corporation as a person, an >industry lobbyist, etc? In other words, is it assumed that members are >joining as individuals rather than as representatives of their >organizations or workplaces? Members self-select, right? There is no >vetting process, is that correct? When one joins, does one need to select >any feature that indicates that they agree to abide by the Charter? Also, >if a member does not abide by the Charter, how is that determined and what >happens as a result please? > >Thank you, >B Lentz > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Jul 27 16:53:06 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:53:06 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections In-Reply-To: <68bc37e9-b408-deec-3031-f95ba715f4f0@apc.org> References: <1433884072.5430348.1563816059375@mail.yahoo.com> <68bc37e9-b408-deec-3031-f95ba715f4f0@apc.org> Message-ID: Agréé with process most especially that of proceeding with by elections as proposed for the 1; 2 years process On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 18:29 Deborah Brown, wrote: > Agree this sounds like a sensible approach. Thanks Bruna, and others, for > suggesting this way forward. > > Deborah > On 7/22/19 7:14 PM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Wonderful Bruna. Agree with elections held asap and Imran's suggestion > that one is for 1 year and the other for 2 years to continue the usual > rotation. > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, 9:32 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> I thi.nk in the circumstances the two slots is a good idea - most votes >> gets 2 years, second most 1 year. (actually both a little less, because >> following elections should be around June). >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" >> To: "Imran Ahmed Shah" >> Cc: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com; "governance" >> Sent: 23/07/2019 3:54:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Elections >> >> My view is that if Bruna is willing, able and acceptable to a reasonable >> majority she can be the default choice for the interim 1 year. >> >> That way we will vote on one position only (the 2 year one) which is the >> norm. >> >> Best, >> C >> >> On Mon 22 Jul, 2019, 22:51 Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >> >>> May I suggest two co-coordinators slots, for one and two years, so that >>> the term of both will not expire at same time. >>> >>> On Monday, 22 July 2019, 21:29:55 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the replies so far, everyone! >>> >>> @Chaitanya, just to clear up, one of the co-coordinators term has >>> expired for more than one year, but mine is only expired for less than two >>> months. Nevertheless, I believe we should vote for the two co-coordinators >>> slots. I am still eligible for re-election, but in case I dont run or get >>> re-elected I will most definitely help with transition and concluding our >>> processes. >>> >>> Best, >>> Bruna >>> >>> Le lun. 22 juil. 2019 à 13:21, Chaitanya Dhareshwar < >>> chaitanyabd at gmail.com> a écrit : >>> >>> I agree for the 1st / 2nd week of August. >>> >>> For those who've been BestBits members for a long timeframe, and due to >>> the current circumstances, I would suggest that those who'll be eligible to >>> vote as of 31st October should be permitted to cast their vote in the >>> August election. >>> >>> What's the plan to address the situation of 2 coordinators with a 1-year >>> term overlap? Are we voting one member (and will you continue to serve for >>> a while, to ensure smooth knowledge transfer) or are we voting 2 members? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* >>> >>> Linkedin | Blog >>> | *Book Me* | Skype: >>> chaitanyabd >>> Mobile: +91.9820760253 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> Dear IGC Members, >>> >>> I am writing to you in order to discuss the elections subject. After >>> reading - and agreeing - to so many of your comments on the list, I concur >>> to the idea that its best for us to host our elections for the >>> Co-Coordinators slots as soon as possible. >>> >>> The situation of the Co-Coordinator's term is as it follows: >>> >>> *Arsène Tungali, one of our previous Co-Coordinators, Arsene resigned >>> and his term was also expired. In my case, after checking the last >>> elections announcement I could verify that I do not have 6 more months of >>> term as it expired less than two monts ago (May, 2019). * >>> >>> I am happy that the discussion surrounding the IGC-BestBits merger have >>> also helped us get this list back to activity and the shared interest in >>> putting everything back to work - from website and mailing list archives to >>> elections. >>> >>> On that note,* I would agree on running elections right away*. And my >>> suggestion would be to w*ait until the first or second week of August* >>> for us to get some things in order to conduct this process. About this, I >>> will need some help in setting a page to check-in members, a tally and >>> ensuring that this elections is GDPR compliant. >>> >>> *If you disagree with this approach, let me know by July 31st. *I >>> understand that some of our members considered the idea of hosting it in >>> october as it would allow the new members (most likely BestBits members) to >>> go through their 'period of grace' and be able to vote. >>> >>> Looking forward to hearing back from you on this. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> -- >>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> IGC Co-Coordinator >>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> @boomartins >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> @boomartins >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > -- > > Deborah Brown > Global Policy Advocacy Lead > Association for Progressive Communications (APC)www.apc.orgdeborah at apc.org > @deblebrown > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Jul 28 16:04:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 20:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Way Forward - Reviving IGC CS In-Reply-To: <215793937.3169610.1563367406409@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <1126165370.3180194.1563366402800@mail.yahoo.com> <215793937.3169610.1563367406409@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <936973113.2159663.1564344254263@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Colleges at IGC, With reference to following suggestions, some of the activities has been either performed or started in parallel some how: >I suggest the process activities and their sequence for your immediate kind review & implementation: 1.    Parallel Activities:1.1.   Immediate Arrangement for the IGC Co-Coordinators Elections. [already Initiated by Coordinator] 1.2    Immediate Revival of IGCaucus.org Website [already done by IGC WG]1.3.   Open discussion for the changes required in the IGC Charter Document and prepare Draft version of the proposed Charter. [few IGC members indicated on the list regarding some limitations in the charter but have not yet suggested remedy or proposed amendment yet] [However, I suggest the the Membership clause of the Chater Document needs to be eleborated with clear defination and difrenciation between IGC Mailing List membership & IGC CS Membership, where as the member of the IGC could further partcipate in IGC Coordinator Elections (contestent and as voters), IGC Charter Amendments Proposers, IGC Chater Approvers, IGC Appeals Teams, IGC NOMCOMS, CSCG Representatives, Ad-hoc Working Groups e.g. Interst Groups, Editing Groups, Coordination Groups]   1.4    Invitation to BB members to be send to join IGC before the co-co election is held. [it was just a suggestion, but it is upto Coordinator how they proceed] Finalization of the procedure for the Subscription to the IGC mailing list is also awaited.   2.    Proposed Activities in Sequence :2.1.   Conduct co-co Elections.2.2.   Update IGC Website regularly. 3.   If any amendment in the Charter is required/ inidcated by members, 3.1    Circulation of Proposed IGC Charter Document for final review and to establish consensus.3.2.   Voting on Proposed IGC Charter Document. 3.3.   Implementation of the IGC Charter Document. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 17:43:48 GMT+5, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear All Colleagues: I suggest the process activities and their sequence for your immediate kind review & implementation: 1.    Parallel Activities:1.1.   Immediate Arrangement for the IGC Co-Coordinators Elections.1.2    Immediate Revival of IGCaucus.org Website   1.3.   Open discussion for the changes required in the IGC Charter Document and prepare Draft version of the proposed Charter. 1.4    Invitation to BB members to be send to join IGC before the co-co election is held. 2.    Activities in Sequence:2.1.   Conduct co-co Elections.2.2.   Circulation of Proposed IGC Charter Document for final review and to establish consensus.2.3.   Voting on Proposed IGC Charter Document. 2.4.   Update IGC Website & BB Website regularly. 2.5.   Implementation of the IGC Charter Document. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 17:27:14 GMT+5, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear Nnenna, >Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. The process suggested by you for BB member to become a IGC by submitting request to create his account on IGCaucus site and enrolling his/her as a IGC member was already open and available. The same process has already proposed by few other members. However, what do you mean by accepting the charter? Because previously on the IGC website, there was no option to accept the charter first. (see attached snapshot). If we are going to change the IGC Charter, it requires voting among valid voting member. A  newcomer to IGC or even a new member of IGC can't cast his/her vote to approve amendment(s) of the IGC Charter. Because it requires membership duration and voting is previous election.... Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 16:40:11 GMT+5, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. My 2 cents Nnenna On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it.   After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so.     From: on behalf of parminder Reply to: parminder Date: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm To: Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects   On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the lastICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-coelections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charterhas been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna wasplanning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. Arsene I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use that language . I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment.  I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. regards parminder    Regards,Arsene 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : Dear all, While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we haveagreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need totake that into account. We're at that point where the closure has beenagreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likelywill sign up to be part of the discussions soon. As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to joinand we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agreenext steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/cAugust 5. BestSheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.comwrote:  Bruna, On a more substantive matter - Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting theIGCCoordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would getback to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? Ian Peter   ------ Original Message ------From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Parminder" Cc: "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PMSubject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zeroevent and other subjects Agree with Parminder. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, wrote:  HI Bruna/ All Good morning to all! Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and pleaseensurethat these do not clash. Thanks. While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can bedoneamong however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the mainandauthoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I requesteveryone's attention to. thanks and best regards parminderOn 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance MailingList) wrote: Dear IGC members, As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions aroundthemerger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convenedto discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that alsoentailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well asthedecision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list. Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our nextsteps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Anotheragenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinatorselections and our charter. 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Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind reviewand discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, ifwe could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform forthe IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will bemost relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally,but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation,there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies),and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancementof our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth tobe involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in InternationalInternet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe. Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah P.S.*Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 29 04:56:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nadira Alaraj (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:56:14 +0300 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Imran for raising this issue. I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails. However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages. So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. Nadira AL-Araj On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear All, > > As we have seen that electronic mail system (email) replaced the snail or > post mail system decades ago, in the recent era (since last couple of > years), the email system has also left-behind* by the new form of text, > audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonly used as > communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that the > new generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely. > IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective > discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very > positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a > discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; that how > much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to have (some > kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. I do not have the > exact idea that which of the platform will be most relevant and > appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally, > but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new > generation, there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base > user constituencies), and we will not be able to engage them or involve > them. I am looking towards enhancement of our capacity allowing the broader > and more global constituency and youth to be involved and contribute > transnational character of Civil Society in International Internet > Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation > from every region of the globe. > > Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > P.S. > *Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I > believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly > and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and > usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too. > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 29 05:37:04 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452815202.2737943.1564393024560@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Nadira,Privacy is really major concern and not even if the contact information is used for marketing or marketers, but also track behaviors and eyeball or information stored on the computing devices. This is a real life issue but these application claims to use this artificial intelligence to support their users on the other hand and we can not stop them from doing this... It's also an IG Issue.  >So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. Skype Messaging: Do you think that its chat can be reviewed later-on or in other words viewable by newcomers/ newjoiners to the the discussion thread of discussion group? I think that this feature will be required or good to have in the system to be proposed to opt.  Secondly, the discussion could be viewable for public who are not members of the caucus... If comparing withe the basic features of mailing list for transparency and openness.  Thirdly, we should also look into its capacity, that how much users in group could be accommodated at a same time.  Best Regards  Imran Ahmed Shah On Monday, 29 July 2019, 13:56:55 GMT+5, Nadira Alaraj wrote: Thank you Imran for raising this issue.I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails.However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages.So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. Nadira AL-Araj  On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear All, As we have seen that electronicmail system (email) replaced the snail or post mail system decades ago, in therecent era (since last couple of years), the email system has also left-behind* bythe new form of text, audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonlyused as communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that thenew generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely. IGC Mailing lists had been anopenly viewable platform with subjective discussion where everyone can reply inhis/er own peace time. Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind reviewand discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, ifwe could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform forthe IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will bemost relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally,but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation,there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies),and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancementof our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth tobe involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in InternationalInternet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe. Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah P.S.*Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too.--- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 29 06:46:56 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Alex Comninos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:46:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <452815202.2737943.1564393024560@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <452815202.2737943.1564393024560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi All I would recommend either Telegram or WhatsApp, both offer end-to-end encryption. How this works in practice for groups is questionable. https://medium.com/@haniahshafi/are-whatsapp-group-chats-vulnerable-to-spying-despite-end-to-end-encryption-ab0e522fa8d9 I do think its a great idea to move off email. Telegram has much cooler group functionality and also allows to make public groups. WhatsApp is more ubiquitously used, although there are some that don’t like to use it because Facebook. -- Alex Comninos http://alex.africa > On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > Thanks Nadira, > Privacy is really major concern and not even if the contact information is used for marketing or marketers, but also track behaviors and eyeball or information stored on the computing devices. This is a real life issue but these application claims to use this artificial intelligence to support their users on the other hand and we can not stop them from doing this... It's also an IG Issue. > > >So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. > > Skype Messaging: > Do you think that its chat can be reviewed later-on or in other words viewable by newcomers/ newjoiners to the the discussion thread of discussion group? I think that this feature will be required or good to have in the system to be proposed to opt. > > Secondly, the discussion could be viewable for public who are not members of the caucus... If comparing withe the basic features of mailing list for transparency and openness. > > Thirdly, we should also look into its capacity, that how much users in group could be accommodated at a same time. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > On Monday, 29 July 2019, 13:56:55 GMT+5, Nadira Alaraj wrote: > > > Thank you Imran for raising this issue. > I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails. > However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages. > So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. > > Nadira AL-Araj > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah > wrote: > Dear All, > > As we have seen that electronic mail system (email) replaced the snail or post mail system decades ago, in the recent era (since last couple of years), the email system has also left-behind* by the new form of text, audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonly used as communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that the new generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely. > > IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will be most relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally, but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation, there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies), and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancement of our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth to be involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in International Internet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe. > > Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. > Thanking you and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > P.S. > *Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too. > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 05:55:02 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:55:02 +0200 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. Regards, Arsene 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > Dear all, > > While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have > agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to > take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been > agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely > will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > > As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join > and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree > next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c > August 5. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > wrote: > >> Bruna, >> >> On a more substantive matter - >> >> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >> IGC >> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> To: "Parminder" >> Cc: "governance" >> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >> event and other subjects >> >> Agree with Parminder. >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> wrote: >> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> ensure >>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>> done >>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>> and >>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>> thanks and best regards >>> >>> parminder >>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>> List) wrote: >>> >>> Dear IGC members, >>> >>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>> the >>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>> >>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened >>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >>> the >>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>> . >>> >>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another >>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there >>> is >>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>> proper >>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >>> IGC. >>> >>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the >>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> @boomartins >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>> List help: >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From julf at julf.com Mon Jul 29 06:57:46 2019 From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:57:46 +0200 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 29-07-19 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective > discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very > positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening > a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; > that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to > have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. Email is still the major tool for communication that needs to be recorded and accessible. I don't really see what additional benefits or functionality IM would bring (and note that IM and email has coexisted for at least 30 years without IM replacing email). The other problem is that all email systems are pretty much interoperable, while Im systems aren't, so with IM you would have to pick one of the many incompatible systems in use, and would cut out users of other systems. Julf From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 29 07:13:39 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <452815202.2737943.1564393024560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <542193035.2258530.1564398819857@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Alex, >I do think its a great idea to move off email. Be assured that I am not proposing to turn the mailing list off, but the idea is to introduce some additional medium of communication to bring the wider range community on discussion forum and IG workspace. Unfortunately, Telegram is officially blocked here in Pakistan.  Best Regards, Imran On Monday, 29 July 2019, 15:47:11 GMT+5, Alex Comninos wrote: Hi All I would recommend either Telegram or WhatsApp, both offer end-to-end encryption. How this works in practice for groups is questionable. https://medium.com/@haniahshafi/are-whatsapp-group-chats-vulnerable-to-spying-despite-end-to-end-encryption-ab0e522fa8d9 I do think its a great idea to move off email. Telegram has much cooler group functionality and also allows to make public groups. WhatsApp is more ubiquitously used, although there are some that don’t like to use it because Facebook. --Alex Comninoshttp://alex.africa On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Thanks Nadira,Privacy is really major concern and not even if the contact information is used for marketing or marketers, but also track behaviors and eyeball or information stored on the computing devices. This is a real life issue but these application claims to use this artificial intelligence to support their users on the other hand and we can not stop them from doing this... It's also an IG Issue.  >So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. Skype Messaging: Do you think that its chat can be reviewed later-on or in other words viewable by newcomers/ newjoiners to the the discussion thread of discussion group? I think that this feature will be required or good to have in the system to be proposed to opt.  Secondly, the discussion could be viewable for public who are not members of the caucus... If comparing withe the basic features of mailing list for transparency and openness.  Thirdly, we should also look into its capacity, that how much users in group could be accommodated at a same time.  Best Regards  Imran Ahmed Shah On Monday, 29 July 2019, 13:56:55 GMT+5, Nadira Alaraj wrote: Thank you Imran for raising this issue.I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails.However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages.So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. Nadira AL-Araj  On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear All, As we have seen that electronicmail system (email) replaced the snail or post mail system decades ago, in therecent era (since last couple of years), the email system has also left-behind* bythe new form of text, audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonlyused as communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that thenew generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely. IGC Mailing lists had been anopenly viewable platform with subjective discussion where everyone can reply inhis/er own peace time. Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind reviewand discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, ifwe could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform forthe IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will bemost relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally,but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation,there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies),and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancementof our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth tobe involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in InternationalInternet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe. Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah P.S.*Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too.--- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Jul 29 07:21:52 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Johan, Thanks for contributing your comments, however, as I said in replying to Alex, that idea is to introduce another communication medium of communication not to close the mailing list in anyway. Is there no tool in the current world, in which we can establish interlinking between the conversation of both type of mediums.....???? Best Regards Imran On Monday, 29 July 2019, 15:58:17 GMT+5, Johan Helsingius wrote: On 29-07-19 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective > discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very > positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening > a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; > that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to > have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. Email is still the major tool for communication that needs to be recorded and accessible. I don't really see what additional benefits or functionality IM would bring (and note that IM and email has coexisted for at least 30 years without IM replacing email). The other problem is that all email systems are pretty much interoperable, while Im systems aren't, so with IM you would have to pick one of the many incompatible systems in use, and would cut out users of other systems.     Julf --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org Mon Jul 29 07:37:30 2019 From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:37:30 +0300 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <452815202.2737943.1564393024560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190729113730.GB2399@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> I don't think it's a good idea to move off email. *Adding* other tools or media for some purposes would be worth considering, however. But before choosing any such we should think about the selection criteria and get input from as many members as possible. There are many chat apps if that's what we want, but all of them have some problems. Telegram is illegal in rather too many countries to be practical (it has other problems too). WhatsApp requires a phone, there's no real desktop client (using it with a browser is clumsy, misses key features and needs to have phone connected all the time anyway), and as noted it belongs to Facebook now. Somewhat better in that category would be Signal or Wire, but they have their own issues, too. And all of those depend rely on an external service provider that may change for the worse or go under unexpectedly. Alternatively we could host our own Jitsi server or something similar. But if we abandon email completely, I fear we'll lose more old participants than gain new ones. I would not go that route. Tapani On Jul 29 12:46, Alex Comninos (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > Hi All > > I would recommend either Telegram or WhatsApp, both offer end-to-end encryption. How this works in practice for groups is questionable. > > https://medium.com/@haniahshafi/are-whatsapp-group-chats-vulnerable-to-spying-despite-end-to-end-encryption-ab0e522fa8d9 > > I do think its a great idea to move off email. > > Telegram has much cooler group functionality and also allows to make public groups. > > WhatsApp is more ubiquitously used, although there are some that don’t like to use it because Facebook. > > -- > Alex Comninos > http://alex.africa > > > On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > > > Thanks Nadira, > > Privacy is really major concern and not even if the contact information is used for marketing or marketers, but also track behaviors and eyeball or information stored on the computing devices. This is a real life issue but these application claims to use this artificial intelligence to support their users on the other hand and we can not stop them from doing this... It's also an IG Issue. > > > > >So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. > > > > Skype Messaging: > > Do you think that its chat can be reviewed later-on or in other words viewable by newcomers/ newjoiners to the the discussion thread of discussion group? I think that this feature will be required or good to have in the system to be proposed to opt. > > > > Secondly, the discussion could be viewable for public who are not members of the caucus... If comparing withe the basic features of mailing list for transparency and openness. > > > > Thirdly, we should also look into its capacity, that how much users in group could be accommodated at a same time. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > > > > > On Monday, 29 July 2019, 13:56:55 GMT+5, Nadira Alaraj wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Imran for raising this issue. > > I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails. > > However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages. > > So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. > > > > Nadira AL-Araj > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > As we have seen that electronic mail system (email) replaced the snail or post mail system decades ago, in the recent era (since last couple of years), the email system has also left-behind* by the new form of text, audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonly used as communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that the new generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely. > > > > IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will be most relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally, but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation, there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies), and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancement of our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth to be involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in International Internet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe. > > > > Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > P.S. > > *Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too. > > --- From andersj at elon.edu Mon Jul 29 07:45:12 2019 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:45:12 +0000 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <20190729113730.GB2399@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <452815202.2737943.1564393024560@mail.yahoo.com> <20190729113730.GB2399@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> Message-ID: <2FB964A6-FEC9-4A7F-8702-21B5ADD2A042@elon.edu> +1 Stick with email. On 7/29/19, 7:38 AM, "governance-request at lists.riseup.net on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" wrote: I don't think it's a good idea to move off email. *Adding* other tools or media for some purposes would be worth considering, however. But before choosing any such we should think about the selection criteria and get input from as many members as possible. There are many chat apps if that's what we want, but all of them have some problems. Telegram is illegal in rather too many countries to be practical (it has other problems too). WhatsApp requires a phone, there's no real desktop client (using it with a browser is clumsy, misses key features and needs to have phone connected all the time anyway), and as noted it belongs to Facebook now. Somewhat better in that category would be Signal or Wire, but they have their own issues, too. And all of those depend rely on an external service provider that may change for the worse or go under unexpectedly. Alternatively we could host our own Jitsi server or something similar. But if we abandon email completely, I fear we'll lose more old participants than gain new ones. I would not go that route. Tapani On Jul 29 12:46, Alex Comninos (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > Hi All > > I would recommend either Telegram or WhatsApp, both offer end-to-end encryption. How this works in practice for groups is questionable. > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40haniahshafi%2Fare-whatsapp-group-chats-vulnerable-to-spying-despite-end-to-end-encryption-ab0e522fa8d9&data=02%7C01%7Candersj%40elon.edu%7Cc4138f141ea0471fe2f508d714193515%7Cba18326d711f4ae286816115493a7a53%7C1%7C0%7C636999970848577055&sdata=IP13q%2BD8eka%2BcqYOlZBp0kuSjZEtdwAoNlWxbj0FOK8%3D&reserved=0 > > I do think its a great idea to move off email. > > Telegram has much cooler group functionality and also allows to make public groups. > > WhatsApp is more ubiquitously used, although there are some that don’t like to use it because Facebook. > > -- > Alex Comninos > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Falex.africa&data=02%7C01%7Candersj%40elon.edu%7Cc4138f141ea0471fe2f508d714193515%7Cba18326d711f4ae286816115493a7a53%7C1%7C0%7C636999970848587047&sdata=IPo4%2BqA31dRxCAgXgDd%2FDcvmJKxDo%2BXJNNAQt1EkgEw%3D&reserved=0 > > > On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > > > Thanks Nadira, > > Privacy is really major concern and not even if the contact information is used for marketing or marketers, but also track behaviors and eyeball or information stored on the computing devices. This is a real life issue but these application claims to use this artificial intelligence to support their users on the other hand and we can not stop them from doing this... It's also an IG Issue. > > > > >So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. > > > > Skype Messaging: > > Do you think that its chat can be reviewed later-on or in other words viewable by newcomers/ newjoiners to the the discussion thread of discussion group? I think that this feature will be required or good to have in the system to be proposed to opt. > > > > Secondly, the discussion could be viewable for public who are not members of the caucus... If comparing withe the basic features of mailing list for transparency and openness. > > > > Thirdly, we should also look into its capacity, that how much users in group could be accommodated at a same time. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > > > > > On Monday, 29 July 2019, 13:56:55 GMT+5, Nadira Alaraj wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Imran for raising this issue. > > I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails. > > However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages. > > So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat. > > > > Nadira AL-Araj > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > As we have seen that electronic mail system (email) replaced the snail or post mail system decades ago, in the recent era (since last couple of years), the email system has also left-behind* by the new form of text, audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonly used as communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that the new generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely. > > > > IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will be most relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally, but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation, there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies), and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancement of our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth to be involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in International Internet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe. > > > > Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome. > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > P.S. > > *Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too. > > --- From lists at digitaldissidents.org Mon Jul 29 07:45:10 2019 From: lists at digitaldissidents.org (Niels ten Oever) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:45:10 +0200 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> Dear all, Thanks to all for the uptick in recent work. It is very much appreciated, and your work does not go unseen! I strongly side with Johan on this, namely for keeping email as the only official and authoritative source for communications of the IGcaucus. My reasoning is as follows: - e-mail is the best communications protocol that works in a federated manner. Thus we are not dependent on one company or provider. - e-mail has the best archiving options, and thus enable transparency and accountability, as well as future research into IG. - e-mail is the authoritative communications protocol in many Internet Governance body, and since the IGcaucus focuses on this field, it is to be expected that the members are very acquainted with email. I could imagine that there would be an unofficial and informal channel on Signal (far better privacy practices than Telegram and Whatsapp)- but this channel would then not be used for official decision making, and its use would not be mandated or regulated by the charter. Hope this helps. Best, Niels On 7/29/19 1:21 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Dear Johan, > Thanks for contributing your comments, however, as I said in replying to Alex, that idea is to introduce another communication medium of communication not to close the mailing list in anyway. > > Is there no tool in the current world, in which we can establish interlinking between the conversation of both type of mediums.....???? > > Best Regards > > Imran > > On Monday, 29 July 2019, 15:58:17 GMT+5, Johan Helsingius wrote: > > > On 29-07-19 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > >> IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective >> discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very >> positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening >> a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; >> that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to >> have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. > > > Email is still the major tool for communication that needs to be > recorded and accessible. I don't really see what additional benefits > or functionality IM would bring (and note that IM and email has > coexisted for at least 30 years without IM replacing email). The > other problem is that all email systems are pretty much interoperable, > while Im systems aren't, so with IM you would have to pick one > of the many incompatible systems in use, and would cut out users > of other systems. > >     Julf > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Niels ten Oever Researcher and PhD Candidate Datactive Research Group University of Amsterdam PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 From pimienta at funredes.org Mon Jul 29 08:33:32 2019 From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:33:32 -0400 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63c6075c-6eab-b9c8-b369-4813a216afd4@funredes.org> > Email is still the major tool for communication that needs to be > recorded and accessible. I don't really see what additional benefits > or functionality IM would bring Yes and if you want to increase the entropy (which is already quite high) of this place and make it still less professional switch from asynchronous communication (email) to synchronous (IM)... If you want to make search and retrieval of past communications almost impossible destroying the human capital created, go ahead and use whatsapp or equivalent. If you want to give away this capital to private companies this is also the right move. The fact that professional communication has been threatened by the success of social networks and synchronous communication, especially in the youngest generation, is not a good argument in a professional context to open the room to amplify the disaster. Of course groups of members can use on request in special circumstances synchronous channels but discussion lists remain one of the few place left for professional use and need to be preserved in a general context where communication has degenerated  into information retrieval with private third parties deciding the destination to amplify their advertisement benefits. The real issue, beyond asynchronous,  is who controls the communication: us or somebody else. From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Jul 30 05:39:56 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> Message-ID: <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, Dear Niels, I also believe that email or mailing list is the main priority working space, as also mentioned in the IGC charter. No need to mention the important of email, but we are taking to add some other channels, like we use during Remote Participation in Meetings, some alternatives to true presence in the meetings physically. However, the major question is what is the reasoning behind quick and deep penetration of Instant messaging, whereas the usage has increased dramatically in recent years. IM has become one of the most important means of communication for young people Today. ....Let me share few comments, young people expressed during discussion forum upon questioning to share Internet related issues facing by youth. Their reply and common perspective was that we (the panelists of the workshop) cannot understand the real issues, and they cannot share their problem because we do not use the communication platform which they use. They said that they use WeChat, WhatsApp, Line or Telegram but we use Email. Upon question about the reasoning of using IM, one of the student said that it is beauty of the IM enabling them compose/record their audio or video chat instantly and share or transmit it to any recipient in seconds and even to broadcast to a wider group but if someone ask them send video on email, we have issues... First of all they have to learn the means to record audio or video and to attach with some email account. And even if we send them any email, they occasionally opens their email inbox, so we should not expect any prompt response before the weekend or until we have to reset our passwords where we needs to verify or validate something.... The purpose of the suggestion of IM is to provide means to communicate with the teenagers, youngsters and kids (our new generation) using the appropriate communication channel which they uses in their normal day to day communication with their age-fellows, friends and teachers, otherwise almost we all are already using email and happy in our life. What I guess, the difference between communication mediums is creating communication gap between generations, or if I say 'it is creating digital divide to some extend', will not be wrong statement ... . So, think about it and give your suggestion.... Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Monday, 29 July 2019, 16:46:05 GMT+5, Niels ten Oever wrote: Dear all, Thanks to all for the uptick in recent work. It is very much appreciated, and your work does not go unseen! I strongly side with Johan on this, namely for keeping email as the only official and authoritative source for communications of the IGcaucus. My reasoning is as follows: - e-mail is the best communications protocol that works in a federated manner. Thus we are not dependent on one company or provider. - e-mail has the best archiving options, and thus enable transparency and accountability, as well as future research into IG. - e-mail is the authoritative communications protocol in many Internet Governance body, and since the IGcaucus focuses on this field, it is to be expected that the members are very acquainted with email. I could imagine that there would be an unofficial and informal channel on Signal (far better privacy practices than Telegram and Whatsapp)- but this channel would then not be used for official decision making, and its use would not be mandated or regulated by the charter. Hope this helps. Best, Niels On 7/29/19 1:21 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Dear Johan, > Thanks for contributing your comments, however, as I said in replying to Alex, that idea is to introduce another communication medium of communication not to close the mailing list in anyway. > > Is there no tool in the current world, in which we can establish interlinking between the conversation of both type of mediums.....???? > > Best Regards > > Imran > > On Monday, 29 July 2019, 15:58:17 GMT+5, Johan Helsingius wrote: > > > On 29-07-19 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > >> IGC Mailing lists had been an openly viewable platform with subjective >> discussion where everyone can reply in his/er own peace time. Very >> positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening >> a discussion thread for kind review and discussion among the caucus; >> that how much it is useful and practical, if we could also (be able) to >> have (some kind of) instant messaging platform for the IGC Caucus. > > > Email is still the major tool for communication that needs to be > recorded and accessible. I don't really see what additional benefits > or functionality IM would bring (and note that IM and email has > coexisted for at least 30 years without IM replacing email). The > other problem is that all email systems are pretty much interoperable, > while Im systems aren't, so with IM you would have to pick one > of the many incompatible systems in use, and would cut out users > of other systems. > >     Julf > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Niels ten Oever Researcher and PhD Candidate Datactive Research Group University of Amsterdam PGP fingerprint      2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488                    643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org Tue Jul 30 06:18:36 2019 From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:18:36 +0300 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190730101836.GA16721@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> On Jul 30 09:39, Imran Ahmed Shah (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > ....Let me share few comments, young people expressed during > discussion forum upon questioning to share Internet related issues > facing by youth. Their reply and common perspective was that we (the > panelists of the workshop) cannot understand the real issues, and > they cannot share their problem because we do not use the > communication platform which they use. They said that they use > WeChat, WhatsApp, Line or Telegram but we use Email. Just curious, is there anybody on this list who *doesn't* use any IM in addition to email? I use Signal, Wire, WhatsApp, Telegram, Skype and even FB Messenger fairly regularly and a bunch of others occasionally, and I have no trouble picking up additional communication platforms as need be, old man though I am. I don't believe for a moment that young people couldn't learn to use email if they wanted to. IMs and email are different tools for different purposes. Anyone, young or old, insisting on the use of only one or the other will miss out some things. That said, I've no objections to exploring how various IMs or other new platforms and media could be used to complement email use in our work. But for the foreseeable future, anyone who wants to seriously participate will have to learn to use email as well. -- Tapani Tarvainen From julf at julf.com Tue Jul 30 06:26:02 2019 From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:26:02 +0200 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Imran, > Upon question about the reasoning of using IM, one of the student > said that it is beauty of the IM enabling them compose/record their > audio or video chat instantly and share or transmit it to any recipient > in seconds and even to broadcast to a wider group but if someone ask > them send video on email, we have issues... First of all they have to > learn the means to record audio or video and to attach with some email > account. "If all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails". We should use appropriate tools depending on purpose. Policy is mostly done through documents and amendments in an iterative process, and email is very well suited for that. I can't see how a video snippet would be useful in that context. On the other hand, IM is great for reaching out to people and engaging them. Julf From joly at punkcast.com Thu Jul 4 05:06:19 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 05:06:19 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: France Internet Governance Forum Message-ID: This is under way. [image: livestream] Today, *Thursday 4 July 2019*, The *France Internet Governance Forum * is taking place in Paris. Proceedings are in French. The plenary sessions will be webcast on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel *. Paris is on CEST (UTC+1) 5 hours ahead of NYC. *View on Livestream: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/fgi2019 Agenda: https://www.igf-france.fr/ Twitter: #FGIFrance2019 http://bit.ly/fgifrance2019 * *Pernalink* https://isoc.live/11175/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Jul 17 06:18:30 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:18:30 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Thanks for that update Arsene. If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it forward. That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Arsène Tungali" To: "Sheetal Kumar" Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" ; "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > >I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. > >Regards, >Arsene > >2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >> Dear all, >> >> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >> August 5. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >> wrote: >> >>> Bruna, >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> IGC >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> To: "Parminder" >>> Cc: "governance" >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> event and other subjects >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>> ensure >>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>> done >>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>> and >>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>>> List) wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>>> the >>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>> >>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened >>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >>>> the >>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>>> . >>>> >>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another >>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there >>>> is >>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>>> proper >>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >>>> IGC. >>>> >>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the >>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> >>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>> @boomartins >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F >> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> > > >-- >------------------------ >**Arsène Tungali* * >Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >*, >CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >GPG: 523644A0 > >2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >< >http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> > >(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. UN IGF MAG > Member -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Jul 30 06:45:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <20190730101836.GA16721@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> <20190730101836.GA16721@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> Message-ID: <872850096.4454371.1564483514642@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Tapani, >That said, I've no objections to exploring how various IMs or othernew platforms and media could be used to complement email use in our work. But for the foreseeable future, anyone who wants to seriously participate will have to learn to use email as well. Yes, you are right, the person who wants to participate in our discussion, he has to adopt the email system anyway and learning new things is not an issue, so, instead of finding any IM for the caucus discussion, can we find any tool or utility or plugin available for different platforms as well as globally adoptable/ accessible to be used for bridging between both kind of communication tools (Emails & IMs) ..... Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Tuesday, 30 July 2019, 15:19:04 GMT+5, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: On Jul 30 09:39, Imran Ahmed Shah (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > ....Let me share few comments, young people expressed during > discussion forum upon questioning to share Internet related issues > facing by youth. Their reply and common perspective was that we (the > panelists of the workshop) cannot understand the real issues, and > they cannot share their problem because we do not use the > communication platform which they use. They said that they use > WeChat, WhatsApp, Line or Telegram but we use Email. Just curious, is there anybody on this list who *doesn't* use any IM in addition to email? I use Signal, Wire, WhatsApp, Telegram, Skype and even FB Messenger fairly regularly and a bunch of others occasionally, and I have no trouble picking up additional communication platforms as need be, old man though I am. I don't believe for a moment that young people couldn't learn to use email if they wanted to. IMs and email are different tools for different purposes. Anyone, young or old, insisting on the use of only one or the other will miss out some things. That said, I've no objections to exploring how various IMs or other new platforms and media could be used to complement email use in our work. But for the foreseeable future, anyone who wants to seriously participate will have to learn to use email as well. -- Tapani Tarvainen --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Jul 30 07:00:07 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450665146.4437507.1564484407594@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Johan, I agree with you to some extend. The part of Policy making requires discussion over the issues, proposed solutions and reviewing public interest and the implications of the rules and regulations ... this and that ... but I think that ....in order to learn the issues, to report the issues, and to obtain the input / feedback upon implementation of the the policies, we have to communicate with the community, and ...... we can't ignore the youngsters and teenagers, the major part of the community and the mechanism of their communication. In order to learn the real life issues, we have to enter into their shell and communicate to same wavelength to break the barriers. Best Regards Imran On Tuesday, 30 July 2019, 15:26:31 GMT+5, Johan Helsingius wrote: Dear Imran, > Upon question about the reasoning of using IM, one of the student > said that it is beauty of the IM enabling them compose/record their > audio or video chat instantly and share or transmit it to any recipient > in seconds and even to broadcast to a wider group but if someone ask > them send video on email, we have issues... First of all they have to > learn the means to record audio or video and to attach with some email > account. "If all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails". We should use appropriate tools depending on purpose. Policy is mostly done through documents and amendments in an iterative process, and email is very well suited for that. I can't see how a video snippet would be useful in that context. On the other hand, IM is great for reaching out to people and engaging them.     Julf --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Tue Jul 30 08:44:39 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:44:39 -0400 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: <20190730101836.GA16721@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> <20190730101836.GA16721@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> Message-ID: > On Jul 30, 2019, at 6:18 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Just curious, is there anybody on this list who *doesn't* use > any IM in addition to email? I do not. And for good reason. But what matters here – as has been said repeatedly here: Thoughtful practice will use the tool suited to the purpose, here email. And not create some confusing duplication. David From jam at jacquelinemorris.com Tue Jul 30 09:27:19 2019 From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com (Jacqueline Morris) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:27:19 -0400 Subject: [governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus In-Reply-To: References: <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1049080127.2233206.1564382600834@mail.yahoo.com> <59301618.629467.1564399312564@mail.yahoo.com> <827d7bf1-dce3-80dc-bc23-a39e17d3872e@digitaldissidents.org> <2086641819.2814238.1564479596306@mail.yahoo.com> <20190730101836.GA16721@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> Message-ID: As many have said, and I agree, email remains the best option for policy discussion. However, if the idea is to reach out to a younger generation, there are other tools. IGC can add Instagram or other SM channels to outreach to the younger generation, and they can learn to participate via email if they are really interested. An additional part of the issue with having a discussion on IM is the lack of threading. It's impossible on a busy chat to follow through the responses on a particular topic. Regards Jacqueline Morris On Tue, 30 Jul 2019, 8:45 am , wrote: > > On Jul 30, 2019, at 6:18 AM, Tapani Tarvainen > wrote: > > > > Just curious, is there anybody on this list who *doesn't* use > > any IM in addition to email? > > I do not. And for good reason. > > But what matters here – as has been said repeatedly here: Thoughtful > practice will use the tool suited to the purpose, here email. And not > create some confusing duplication. > > David--- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca Tue Jul 30 09:53:30 2019 From: roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:53:30 +0000 Subject: [governance] Joining mailing list vs. being a voting member of IGC Message-ID: Dear Ian, Thank you for posting this. You indicate that "There is a lot of relevant copy in the Charter and other information on www.igcaucus.org - but I don't think a clear answer to the questions!”. Given the IGC’s current structure, is there a ‘standing committee’ (aka, a permanent working committee with rotating membership and governance guidance) that works specifically on IGC governance issues (that does/presents fact finding, suggestions for voting, etc.)? If not, can one be considered as the IGC embarks on the process already underway related to caucus infrastructure? The infrastructure is more than just what technical platforms we use for communication and information-sharing. Also, while we all could be considered ‘hybrids” — as members of civil society with many other possible affiliations (similar to given and chosen groups in Folbre’s work; http://uregina.ca/~gingrich/f1.htm) — it seems important to consider when we join the IGC as a civil society member that we explore ways to make more transparent to whom we are accountable in our work as IGC members. For example, how does my work possibly change if I am being accountable only to myself or if I am contributing as a member of a group or groups? The relationship between transparency and trust deserves discussion so expectations of members and also the Caucus itself are more clear. The integrity and value of the ‘work’ of the Caucus depends on this I would think. Best, Becky From: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > Reply-To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > Date: Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 4:55 PM To: Becky Lentz >, "governance at lists.riseup.net" > Subject: Re[2]: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) Hi Becky, I was hoping someone else would answer your query, and the similar one raised by Chris Prince under another subject. But seeing there have been no replies: Anyone can join the mailing list (I think thats a good thing). But to vote and thereby become a member, you have to self identify as civil society during the voting process. There is no clear definition here, and I wouldnt want to try and create one, as many of us are hybrids but choose to identify with civil society. Should any problem arise because of someone falsely identifying, I believe the coordinators have enough power to deal with it on a case by case basis - and if someone is not happy with their judgement then an appeals process can be undertaken. There is a lot of relevant copy in the Charter and other information on www.igcaucus.org - but I don't think a clear answer to the questions! Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Becky Lentz" > To: "governance at lists.riseup.net" > Sent: 26/07/2019 11:16:07 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Need to work towards improving the charter (was Re: Procedural rules for amendment of the charter) Hi all, Can anyone join the IGC, for example, a corporation as a person, an industry lobbyist, etc? In other words, is it assumed that members are joining as individuals rather than as representatives of their organizations or workplaces? Members self-select, right? There is no vetting process, is that correct? 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URL: From joly at punkcast.com Tue Jul 30 10:44:07 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?WEBCAST_TODAY=3A_In_The_Era_Of_Streaming?= =?UTF-8?Q?=2C_Who=E2=80=99s_A_Bigger_Music_Mogul=2C_Jay-Z_or_Congress=3F_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=40NetCaucusAC?= Message-ID: A mere hour was hardly enough to cover this complex topic, however the panel did well, with a standout being Kevin Erickson's use of puppets - something that was featured by C-SPAN [image: livestream] Today, *Tuesday July 30 2019*, at *11:00 EDT* (15:00 UTC) the* Internet Society Livestream Channel * will webcast an edited version of yesterday's *In The Era Of Streaming, Who’s A Bigger Music Mogul, Jay-Z or Congress? * panel that was organized by *Congressional Internet Caucus Academy * (CICA) in Washington DC. The purpose of the event was to - post *Music Modernization Act * - give Congressional staffers and others an overview of the role of our regulators in the distribution of music revenue streams, vs that of the creators themselves. Panel: *Danielle Aguirre*, EVP & General Counsel, National Music Publishers Association ; *Kevin Erickson*, Director, Future of Music Coalition; *Curtis LeGeyt*, Executive Vice President, Government Relations, National Association of Broadcasters; *Julia Massimino*, VP of Global Public Policy, SoundExchange; *Ali Sternburg*, Senior Policy Counsel, Computer & Communications Industry Association. Moderator: *Tim Lordan*, Executive Director / General Counsel, Internet Education Foundation. *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM https://livestream.com/internetsociety/musicmoguls * *TWITTER: @NetCaucusAC #MusicMoguls http://bit.ly/2Yf2t0m * *Permalink* https://isoc.live/11243/ -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 06:29:48 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:29:48 +0200 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing that, Ian. I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be taken by Berlin? If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. I hope this helps. Regards, Arsene 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com : > Thanks for that update Arsene. > > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it > forward. > > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. > > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. > > Ian Peter > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Arsène Tungali" > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" > ; "governance" > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > zero event and other subjects > >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >> >>Regards, >>Arsene >> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> Dear all, >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >>> have >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >>> likely >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to >>> join >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >>> agree >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >>> w/c >>> August 5. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>> IGC >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June >>>> 26 >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >>>> get >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>> zero >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>>>> it... >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>> ensure >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>> done >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>> and >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>>>> request >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>>>> List) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>>>> the >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>>>> convened >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >>>>> the >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>>> Another >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>>>> there >>>>> is >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>>>> proper >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >>>>> IGC. >>>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for >>>>> the >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>>> @boomartins >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >> >> >>-- >>------------------------ >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>*, >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>GPG: 523644A0 >> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>< >>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> Member -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From sheetal at gp-digital.org Wed Jul 17 06:36:47 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:36:47 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear all, I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved in such a group if she can be. And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. Best Sheetal. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali wrote: > Thanks for sharing that, Ian. > > I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an > important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim > at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that > January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we > should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big > physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes > holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be > taken by Berlin? > > If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done > this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been > doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official > position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is > still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been > leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two > individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? > > This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please > consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. > > I hope this helps. > > Regards, > Arsene > > 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >: > > Thanks for that update Arsene. > > > > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you > > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well > > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the > > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a > > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to > > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the > > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it > > forward. > > > > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. > > > > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it > > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that > > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. > > > > Ian Peter > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Arsène Tungali" > > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. > > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" > > ; "governance" > > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > > zero event and other subjects > > > >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >> > >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last > >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter > >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > >> > >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. > >> > >>Regards, > >>Arsene > >> > >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we > >>> have > >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need > to > >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been > >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but > >>> likely > >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > >>> > >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to > >>> join > >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to > >>> agree > >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be > >>> w/c > >>> August 5. > >>> > >>> Best > >>> Sheetal > >>> > >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Bruna, > >>>> > >>>> On a more substantive matter - > >>>> > >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting > the > >>>> IGC > >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June > >>>> 26 > >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would > >>>> get > >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? > >>>> > >>>> Ian Peter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >>>> To: "Parminder" > >>>> Cc: "governance" > >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > >>>> zero > >>>> event and other subjects > >>>> > >>>> Agree with Parminder. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> HI Bruna/ All > >>>>> > >>>>> Good morning to all! > >>>>> > >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > >>>>> > >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan > >>>>> it... > >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please > >>>>> ensure > >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be > >>>>> done > >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the > main > >>>>> and > >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I > >>>>> request > >>>>> everyone's attention to. > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks and best regards > >>>>> > >>>>> parminder > >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance > Mailing > >>>>> List) wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear IGC members, > >>>>> > >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions > around > >>>>> the > >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > >>>>> > >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us > >>>>> convened > >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that > also > >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well > as > >>>>> the > >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list > >>>>> . > >>>>> > >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our > next > >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. > >>>>> Another > >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators > >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, > >>>>> there > >>>>> is > >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as > >>>>> proper > >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to > join > >>>>> IGC. > >>>>> > >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created > this > >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for > >>>>> the > >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Best Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > >>>>> > >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > >>>>> @boomartins > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>>> > >>>>> List help: > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>>> List help: > >>>>> > >>>> --- > >>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>> List help: > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> *Sheetal Kumar* > >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > >>> DD7F > >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>------------------------ > >>**Arsène Tungali* * > >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > >>*, > >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > >>GPG: 523644A0 > >> > >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > >>< > >> > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > >> > >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > >> Member. UN IGF MAG > >> Member > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > Member. UN IGF MAG > Member > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 06:57:26 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:57:26 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: What a load of rubbish! The elections need to take place asap. The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. Get it together! On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok > with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved > in such a group if she can be. > > And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >> >> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >> taken by Berlin? >> >> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >> >> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Arsene >> >> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >> > >> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well >> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it >> > forward. >> > >> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >> > >> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that >> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >> > >> > Ian Peter >> > ------ Original Message ------ >> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" >> > ; "governance" >> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> > zero event and other subjects >> > >> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >> >> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >> >> >> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >> >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Arsene >> >> >> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >> >>> Dear all, >> >>> >> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >> >>> have >> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need >> to >> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >> been >> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >> >>> likely >> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >>> >> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join >> to >> >>> join >> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >> >>> agree >> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >> >>> w/c >> >>> August 5. >> >>> >> >>> Best >> >>> Sheetal >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Bruna, >> >>>> >> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >> >>>> >> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting >> the >> >>>> IGC >> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >> June >> >>>> 26 >> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >> >>>> get >> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >> >>>> >> >>>> Ian Peter >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >>>> To: "Parminder" >> >>>> Cc: "governance" >> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> >>>> zero >> >>>> event and other subjects >> >>>> >> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Good morning to all! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >> >>>>> it... >> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >> >>>>> ensure >> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can >> be >> >>>>> done >> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >> main >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >> >>>>> request >> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> thanks and best regards >> >>>>> >> >>>>> parminder >> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >> Mailing >> >>>>> List) wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >> around >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >> >>>>> convened >> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that >> also >> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well >> as >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >> >>>>> . >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our >> next >> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >> >>>>> Another >> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >> >>>>> there >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >> >>>>> proper >> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to >> join >> >>>>> IGC. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created >> this >> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability >> for >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best Regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> >>>>> @boomartins >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> List help: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>>> List help: >> >>>>> >> >>>> --- >> >>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>> List help: >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> >>> DD7F >> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>------------------------ >> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >>*, >> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>GPG: 523644A0 >> >> >> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>< >> >> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> > >> >> >> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> >> Member >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* * >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> *, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> GPG: 523644A0 >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> < >> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> > >> >> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> Member >> > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 07:14:00 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:14:00 +0200 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Sala, May I respectfully request that you publicly withdraw this part of your statement, bellow? Even if you don't agree with what others have said, you are requested to show respect, especially on this public list. 2019-07-17 12:57 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro : > What a load of rubbish! Regards, Arsene From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Jul 17 07:19:40 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:49:40 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: > Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > > I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last > ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter > has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. Arsene I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use that language . I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. > > I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. regards parminder > > Regards, > Arsene > > 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >> Dear all, >> >> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >> August 5. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >> wrote: >> >>> Bruna, >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> IGC >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> To: "Parminder" >>> Cc: "governance" >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> event and other subjects >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>> ensure >>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>> done >>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>> and >>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>>> List) wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>>> the >>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>> >>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened >>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >>>> the >>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>>> . >>>> >>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another >>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there >>>> is >>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>>> proper >>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >>>> IGC. >>>> >>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the >>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> >>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>> @boomartins >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F >> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ayden at ferdeline.com Wed Jul 17 07:35:32 2019 From: ayden at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:35:32 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <9TRYvzc3tJ1rcfoYMxWuACWTv7irVe8XL9DzstKuTYESBNlY2tsqtjbTFWKn18z4CYlBqNfdYc4BkTZ9uRJM-e4p5QHNJq8xyjhEwPAFUpE=@ferdeline.com> There should be elections. Speaking only for myself here, I do not support anyone being appointed to a leadership role, even in an interim capacity. Regards, Ayden Férdeline On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 07:36, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved in such a group if she can be. > > And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >> >> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >> taken by Berlin? >> >> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >> >> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Arsene >> >> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com : >>> Thanks for that update Arsene. >>> >>> If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>> mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well >>> into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>> circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>> leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>> feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>> directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it >>> forward. >>> >>> That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>> >>> I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>> reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that >>> steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Arsène Tungali" >>> To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>> Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" >>> ; "governance" >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> zero event and other subjects >>> >>>>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >>>>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Arsene >>>> >>>>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >>>>> have >>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >>>>> likely >>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to >>>>> join >>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >>>>> agree >>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >>>>> w/c >>>>> August 5. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bruna, >>>>>> >>>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>>> IGC >>>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June >>>>>> 26 >>>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >>>>>> get >>>>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>>>> zero >>>>>> event and other subjects >>>>>> >>>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>>>>>> it... >>>>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>>>> ensure >>>>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>>>>>> request >>>>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> parminder >>>>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>>>>>> List) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>>>>>> convened >>>>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >>>>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>>>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>>>>> Another >>>>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >>>>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>>>>>> proper >>>>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >>>>>>> IGC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >>>>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>>>>> @boomartins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List help: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>>> List help: >>>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>> List help: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>>>> DD7F >>>>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>------------------------ >>>>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>*, >>>>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>>GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>>< >>>>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>>> >>>>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> Member. 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URL: From suresh at hserus.net Wed Jul 17 07:35:22 2019 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:05:22 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it. After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so. From: on behalf of parminder Reply to: parminder Date: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm To: Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. Arsene I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use that language . I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. regards parminder Regards, Arsene 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : Dear all, While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c August 5. Best Sheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Bruna, On a more substantive matter - Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the IGC Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Parminder" Cc: "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects Agree with Parminder. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, wrote: HI Bruna/ All Good morning to all! Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please ensure that these do not clash. Thanks. While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be done among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main and authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request everyone's attention to. thanks and best regards parminder On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Dear IGC members, As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around the merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as the decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list . Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there is also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as proper outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join IGC. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 07:39:31 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nnenna Nwakanma (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:39:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. My 2 cents Nnenna On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound > up, so be it. > > > > After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please > subscribe to the list and do so. > > > > > > *From: * on behalf of parminder < > parminder at itforchange.net> > *Reply to: *parminder > *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm > *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < > sheetal at gp-digital.org> > *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < > governance at lists.riseup.net> > *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > zero event and other subjects > > > > On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: > > Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > > > > I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last > > ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > > elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter > > has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > > planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > > Arsene > > I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... > > There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to > those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want > to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's > charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify > it). > > And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use > that language . > > I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, > especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. > > And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC > co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this > elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's > assent tp the sentiment. > > > > I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. > > You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may > wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or > consequence for it. > > regards > > parminder > > > > > > Regards, > > Arsene > > > > 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > > Dear all, > > > > While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have > > agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to > > take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been > > agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely > > will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > > > > As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join > > and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree > > next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c > > August 5. > > > > Best > > Sheetal > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > > > wrote: > > > > Bruna, > > > > On a more substantive matter - > > > > Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the > > IGC > > Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 > > you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get > > back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > To: "Parminder" > > Cc: "governance" > > Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero > > event and other subjects > > > > Agree with Parminder. > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > > wrote: > > > > HI Bruna/ All > > > > Good morning to all! > > > > Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > > > > As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... > > Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please > > ensure > > that these do not clash. Thanks. > > > > While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be > > done > > among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main > > and > > authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request > > everyone's attention to. > > > > thanks and best regards > > > > parminder > > On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > > List) wrote: > > > > Dear IGC members, > > > > As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around > > the > > merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > > > > Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened > > to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also > > entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as > > the > > decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list > > . > > > > Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next > > steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another > > agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators > > elections and our charter. 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URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Wed Jul 17 08:06:42 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:06:42 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear all, I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election will be given a voter account". So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps. Best Sheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: > I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. > Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". > > Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to > accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. > > My 2 cents > > Nnenna > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > >> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >> up, so be it. >> >> >> >> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >> subscribe to the list and do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >> parminder at itforchange.net> >> *Reply to: *parminder >> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> >> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> zero event and other subjects >> >> >> >> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >> >> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >> >> >> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >> >> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >> >> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >> >> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >> >> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >> >> Arsene >> >> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >> >> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >> it). >> >> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >> that language . >> >> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >> >> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >> assent tp the sentiment. >> >> >> >> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >> >> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may >> wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >> consequence for it. >> >> regards >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Arsene >> >> >> >> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >> >> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >> >> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >> >> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >> >> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >> >> >> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >> >> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >> >> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >> >> August 5. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Bruna, >> >> >> >> On a more substantive matter - >> >> >> >> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >> >> IGC >> >> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >> >> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >> >> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >> >> >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >> To: "Parminder" >> >> Cc: "governance" >> >> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >> >> event and other subjects >> >> >> >> Agree with Parminder. >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> HI Bruna/ All >> >> >> >> Good morning to all! >> >> >> >> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >> >> >> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >> >> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >> >> ensure >> >> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >> >> >> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >> >> done >> >> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >> >> and >> >> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >> >> everyone's attention to. >> >> >> >> thanks and best regards >> >> >> >> parminder >> >> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >> >> List) wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear IGC members, >> >> >> >> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >> >> the >> >> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >> >> >> >> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened >> >> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >> >> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >> >> the >> >> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >> >> . >> >> >> >> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >> >> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another >> >> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >> >> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there >> >> is >> >> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >> >> proper >> >> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >> >> IGC. >> >> >> >> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >> >> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the >> >> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> >> @boomartins >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To unsubscribe: >> >> >> >> List help: >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To unsubscribe: >> >> List help: >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To unsubscribe: >> >> List help: >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F >> >> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> >> >> >> >> --- To unsubscribe: List help: >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 08:26:42 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <1126165370.3180194.1563366402800@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Nnenna, >Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. The process suggested by you for BB member to become a IGC by submitting request to create his account on IGCaucus site and enrolling his/her as a IGC member was already open and available. The same process has already proposed by few other members. However, what do you mean by accepting the charter? Because previously on the IGC website, there was no option to accept the charter first. (see attached snapshot). If we are going to change the IGC Charter, it requires voting among valid voting member. A  newcomer to IGC or even a new member of IGC can't cast his/her vote to approve amendment(s) of the IGC Charter. Because it requires membership duration and voting is previous election.... Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 16:40:11 GMT+5, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. My 2 cents Nnenna On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it.   After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so.     From: on behalf of parminder Reply to: parminder Date: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm To: Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects   On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the lastICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-coelections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charterhas been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna wasplanning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. Arsene I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use that language . I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment.  I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. regards parminder    Regards,Arsene 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : Dear all, While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we haveagreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need totake that into account. We're at that point where the closure has beenagreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likelywill sign up to be part of the discussions soon. As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to joinand we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agreenext steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/cAugust 5. BestSheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.comwrote:  Bruna, On a more substantive matter - Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting theIGCCoordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would getback to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? Ian Peter   ------ Original Message ------From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Parminder" Cc: "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PMSubject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zeroevent and other subjects Agree with Parminder. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, wrote:  HI Bruna/ All Good morning to all! Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and pleaseensurethat these do not clash. Thanks. While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can bedoneamong however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the mainandauthoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I requesteveryone's attention to. thanks and best regards parminderOn 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance MailingList) wrote: Dear IGC members, As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions aroundthemerger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convenedto discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that alsoentailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well asthedecision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list. Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our nextsteps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Anotheragenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinatorselections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, thereisalso the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well asproperoutreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to joinIGC. For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created thisdoodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for thecall: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 Best Regards, --*Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos at boomartins ---To unsubscribe: List help:  ---To unsubscribe: List help:   ---To unsubscribe: List help:    --  *Sheetal Kumar*Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITALSecond Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JLT: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7FE592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|    --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro, < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > What a load of rubbish! > The elections need to take place asap. > The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. > > > Get it together! > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok >> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved >> in such a group if she can be. >> >> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>> >>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >>> taken by Berlin? >>> >>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>> >>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>> >>> I hope this helps. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Arsene >>> >>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>> > >>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >>> well >>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking >>> it >>> > forward. >>> > >>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>> > >>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that >>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>> > >>> > Ian Peter >>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" >>> > ; "governance" >> > >>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> > zero event and other subjects >>> > >>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >> >>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >> >>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >> >>> >>Regards, >>> >>Arsene >>> >> >>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >>> >>> have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>> need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >>> been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >>> >>> likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join >>> to >>> >>> join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >>> >>> agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >>> >>> w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Bruna, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting >>> the >>> >>>> IGC >>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >>> June >>> >>>> 26 >>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >>> >>>> get >>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Ian Peter >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> > >>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>> Day >>> >>>> zero >>> >>>> event and other subjects >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> > >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>> >>>>> it... >>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>>>> ensure >>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can >>> be >>> >>>>> done >>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >>> main >>> >>>>> and >>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>> >>>>> request >>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> parminder >>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>> Mailing >>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >>> around >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>> >>>>> convened >>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that >>> also >>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>> well as >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>> >>>>> . >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our >>> next >>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>> >>>>> Another >>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>> co-coordinators >>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>> >>>>> there >>> >>>>> is >>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>> >>>>> proper >>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to >>> join >>> >>>>> IGC. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created >>> this >>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability >>> for >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> >>>>> @boomartins >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> --- >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> List help: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> --- >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>>>> List help: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> --- >>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>>> List help: >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>> 0603 >>> >>> DD7F >>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>-- >>> >>------------------------ >>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> >>*, >>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>> >> >>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> >>< >>> >> >>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>> > >>> >> >>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> >> Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 08:39:52 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:39:52 -0300 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear Sala, While you are free to comment on the process and show your disagreement, the discussions about the IGC and BestBits merger have been going on since - at least - january. And, to be very honest, if it wasnt for this discussion IGC would have continue to be in the limbo it was before - zero discussions, emails or members showing interest. So im taking this revived interest from our members at our list is an important moment. So, while I respect your opinions (as always), I dont think I am one to be called incompetent - especially because we have been tirelessly trying to put the discussion forward on this list. And regardless of what we do, the discussion is always shut down in some way. On my email I mentioned that the agenda items for the upcoming call would be - charter revision, elections and one day zero event - this does not mean that Arsene and I decided unilaterally on a revision, but that we wanted to hear what membership thought of it and the ways in which it should be done. The same goes for elections, with the low participation in the list after all the problems we went through, I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only arsene, Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering the charter requirements to be a voting member - is that legitimate ? Once again, I am interested in hearing back from all of you on possible ways forward and I dont really believe in losing time in infighting. The so-called merger has already been decided on with bestbits agreeing on its closure and having their members joining IGC. Now its the time for us to restructure and restrengthen IGC, but how are we doing it ? Best Regards, Bruna Santos Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by > those that participate in last held elections. > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by virtue > of Charter. > > Get on with the elections! > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> What a load of rubbish! >> The elections need to take place asap. >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >> >> >> Get it together! >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is >>> ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>> involved in such a group if she can be. >>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >>>> taken by Berlin? >>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>> > >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >>>> well >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking >>>> it >>>> > forward. >>>> > >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>> > >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>> > >>>> > Ian Peter >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" >>>> > ; "governance" < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>> > >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>> steps. >>>> >> >>>> >>Regards, >>>> >>Arsene >>>> >> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, >>>> we >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>>> need to >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >>>> been >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC >>>> but >>>> >>> likely >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>>> join to >>>> >>> join >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call >>>> to >>>> >>> agree >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to >>>> be >>>> >>> w/c >>>> >>> August 5. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Best >>>> >>> Sheetal >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>> getting the >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >>>> June >>>> >>>> 26 >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>>> would >>>> >>>> get >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>> Day >>>> >>>> zero >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, < >>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>>> >>>>> it... >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>> please >>>> >>>>> ensure >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >>>> can be >>>> >>>>> done >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >>>> main >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>>> >>>>> request >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>>> Mailing >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >>>> around >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>>> >>>>> convened >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that >>>> also >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>>> well as >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >>>> list >>>> >>>>> . >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our >>>> next >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>> >>>>> Another >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>> co-coordinators >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>>> >>>>> there >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well >>>> as >>>> >>>>> proper >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to >>>> join >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>> created this >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability >>>> for >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>> 0603 >>>> >>> DD7F >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>------------------------ >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> >>*, >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> >>< >>>> >> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> >> Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 08:43:26 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <1126165370.3180194.1563366402800@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <1126165370.3180194.1563366402800@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <215793937.3169610.1563367406409@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All Colleagues: I suggest the process activities and their sequence for your immediate kind review & implementation: 1.    Parallel Activities:1.1.   Immediate Arrangement for the IGC Co-Coordinators Elections.1.2    Immediate Revival of IGCaucus.org Website   1.3.   Open discussion for the changes required in the IGC Charter Document and prepare Draft version of the proposed Charter. 1.4    Invitation to BB members to be send to join IGC before the co-co election is held. 2.    Activities in Sequence:2.1.   Conduct co-co Elections.2.2.   Circulation of Proposed IGC Charter Document for final review and to establish consensus.2.3.   Voting on Proposed IGC Charter Document. 2.4.   Update IGC Website & BB Website regularly. 2.5.   Implementation of the IGC Charter Document. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 17:27:14 GMT+5, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear Nnenna, >Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. The process suggested by you for BB member to become a IGC by submitting request to create his account on IGCaucus site and enrolling his/her as a IGC member was already open and available. The same process has already proposed by few other members. However, what do you mean by accepting the charter? Because previously on the IGC website, there was no option to accept the charter first. (see attached snapshot). If we are going to change the IGC Charter, it requires voting among valid voting member. A  newcomer to IGC or even a new member of IGC can't cast his/her vote to approve amendment(s) of the IGC Charter. Because it requires membership duration and voting is previous election.... Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 16:40:11 GMT+5, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote: I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. My 2 cents Nnenna On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it.   After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so.     From: on behalf of parminder Reply to: parminder Date: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm To: Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects   On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the lastICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-coelections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charterhas been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna wasplanning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. Arsene I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use that language . I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment.  I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. regards parminder    Regards,Arsene 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : Dear all, While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we haveagreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need totake that into account. We're at that point where the closure has beenagreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likelywill sign up to be part of the discussions soon. As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to joinand we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agreenext steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/cAugust 5. BestSheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.comwrote:  Bruna, On a more substantive matter - Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting theIGCCoordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would getback to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? Ian Peter   ------ Original Message ------From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Parminder" Cc: "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PMSubject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zeroevent and other subjects Agree with Parminder. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, wrote:  HI Bruna/ All Good morning to all! Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it...Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and pleaseensurethat these do not clash. Thanks. While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can bedoneamong however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the mainandauthoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I requesteveryone's attention to. thanks and best regards parminderOn 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance MailingList) wrote: Dear IGC members, As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions aroundthemerger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convenedto discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that alsoentailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well asthedecision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list. Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our nextsteps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Anotheragenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinatorselections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, thereisalso the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well asproperoutreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to joinIGC. For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created thisdoodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for thecall: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 Best Regards, --*Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos at boomartins ---To unsubscribe: List help:  ---To unsubscribe: List help:   ---To unsubscribe: List help:    --  *Sheetal Kumar*Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITALSecond Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JLT: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7FE592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|    --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 08:46:36 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:46:36 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear Bruna, I agree and it was not my intention to fight. I was merely expressing an observation of how I perceived the leadership. Having said this, it is all our responsibility to ensure that the IGC is functional. The first step is ensuring that we have 2 co-coordinators. Arsene's term ended so he has no legitimate authority as a former co-coordinator as this is vacant. Secondly, we have more than enough time to map out a strategy for engagement in August 2019 to August 2020. Clearly, the IGF is only one part of this. We have other forums. You can issue a call for input into ideas of engagement and also map who is doing what and call for people to lead initiatives within an agreed strategy. >From time to time, you will have issues cropping up such as today's media release that Macron is taxing internet companies or other issues that members bring up that people want to develop statements on. However, this must be brought to the list and taken to an ether pad for development. To a large extent, this means taking the reins and getting it done. To wait for November is also not acceptable because it would mean that the coordinator would rotate out at almost the same time and you need one on for sustainability. Wishing you the best as you get this sorted. Feel free to contact us offline and off list as well. Hope this helps. Sala On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 1:40 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Sala, > > While you are free to comment on the process and show your disagreement, > the discussions about the IGC and BestBits merger have been going on since > - at least - january. And, to be very honest, if it wasnt for this > discussion IGC would have continue to be in the limbo it was before - zero > discussions, emails or members showing interest. So im taking this revived > interest from our members at our list is an important moment. > > So, while I respect your opinions (as always), I dont think I am one to be > called incompetent - especially because we have been tirelessly trying to > put the discussion forward on this list. And regardless of what we do, the > discussion is always shut down in some way. > > On my email I mentioned that the agenda items for the upcoming call would > be - charter revision, elections and one day zero event - this does not > mean that Arsene and I decided unilaterally on a revision, but that we > wanted to hear what membership thought of it and the ways in which it > should be done. The same goes for elections, with the low participation in > the list after all the problems we went through, I am afraid that if we > open elections now there would be only arsene, Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and > Yourself voting - considering the charter requirements to be a voting > member - is that legitimate ? > > Once again, I am interested in hearing back from all of you on possible > ways forward and I dont really believe in losing time in infighting. The > so-called merger has already been decided on with bestbits agreeing on its > closure and having their members joining IGC. Now its the time for us to > restructure and restrengthen IGC, but how are we doing it ? > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > >> I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >> The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >> those that participate in last held elections. >> Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >> virtue of Charter. >> >> Get on with the elections! >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What a load of rubbish! >>> The elections need to take place asap. >>> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>> >>> >>> Get it together! >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is >>>> ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>>> involved in such a group if she can be. >>>> >>>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Sheetal. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>>> >>>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >>>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >>>>> taken by Berlin? >>>>> >>>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >>>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>>> >>>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>>> >>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>>> > >>>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >>>>> well >>>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >>>>> taking it >>>>> > forward. >>>>> > >>>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>>> > >>>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>>>> that >>>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>>> > >>>>> > Ian Peter >>>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >>>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >>>>> "Parminder" >>>>> > ; "governance" < >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>>> > >>>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>>>> charter >>>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>>> steps. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Regards, >>>>> >>Arsene >>>>> >> >>>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> >>> Dear all, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, >>>>> we >>>>> >>> have >>>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>>>> need to >>>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >>>>> been >>>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC >>>>> but >>>>> >>> likely >>>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>>>> join to >>>>> >>> join >>>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call >>>>> to >>>>> >>> agree >>>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to >>>>> be >>>>> >>> w/c >>>>> >>> August 5. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Best >>>>> >>> Sheetal >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>>> getting the >>>>> >>>> IGC >>>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >>>>> June >>>>> >>>> 26 >>>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>>>> would >>>>> >>>> get >>>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>>> Day >>>>> >>>> zero >>>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, < >>>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>>>> >>>>> it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>>> please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >>>>> can be >>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that >>>>> the main >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>>>> >>>>> request >>>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>>>> Mailing >>>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >>>>> around >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>>>> >>>>> convened >>>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and >>>>> that also >>>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>>>> well as >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >>>>> list >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss >>>>> our next >>>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>>> >>>>> Another >>>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>>> co-coordinators >>>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>>>> >>>>> there >>>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well >>>>> as >>>>> >>>>> proper >>>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members >>>>> to join >>>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>>> created this >>>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>>>> availability for >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --- >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>> 0603 >>>>> >>> DD7F >>>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>-- >>>>> >>------------------------ >>>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>> >>*, >>>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>>> >> >>>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>>> >>< >>>>> >> >>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>>> >> Member. UN IGF >>>>> MAG >>>>> >> Member >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------ >>>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>> *, >>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>>>> >>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>>> < >>>>> >>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>>> Member. UN IGF MAG >>>>> Member >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 08:50:07 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:50:07 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I agree with Parminder. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 12:19 pm parminder, wrote: > On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: > > Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > > I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last > ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter > has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > > Arsene > > I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... > > There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to > those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want > to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's > charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify > it). > > And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use > that language . > > I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, > especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. > > And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC > co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this > elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's > assent tp the sentiment. > > > > I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. > > You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may > wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or > consequence for it. > > regards > > parminder > > > > > Regards, > Arsene > > 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > > Dear all, > > While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have > agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to > take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been > agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely > will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > > As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join > and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree > next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c > August 5. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: > > > Bruna, > > On a more substantive matter - > > Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the > IGC > Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 > you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get > back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? > > Ian Peter > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Parminder" > Cc: "governance" > Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero > event and other subjects > > Agree with Parminder. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > wrote: > > > HI Bruna/ All > > Good morning to all! > > Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > > As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... > Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please > ensure > that these do not clash. Thanks. > > While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be > done > among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main > and > authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request > everyone's attention to. > > thanks and best regards > > parminder > On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > List) wrote: > > Dear IGC members, > > As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around > the > merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > > Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened > to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also > entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as > the > decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list . > > Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next > steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another > agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators > elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there > is > also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as > proper > outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join > IGC. > > For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this > doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the > call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > > Best Regards, > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 09:15:32 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:15:32 +0200 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. This is noted. And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you calling coordinators incompetent? It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was interested in elections at some point. And you should thank those who have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves for that. Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to thank me for my service :) But this is not the point here as I don't always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else who provided help. The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! I look forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have voting rights, as per the charter. Regards, Arsene 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro : > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by > those that participate in last held elections. > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by virtue > of Charter. > > Get on with the elections! > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> What a load of rubbish! >> The elections need to take place asap. >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >> >> >> Get it together! >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is >>> ok >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>> involved >>> in such a group if she can be. >>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >>>> taken by Berlin? >>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>> > >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >>>> well >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking >>>> it >>>> > forward. >>>> > >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>> > >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>>> > that >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>> > >>>> > Ian Peter >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" >>>> > ; "governance" >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>> > >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>>> >> charter >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>> >> steps. >>>> >> >>>> >>Regards, >>>> >>Arsene >>>> >> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, >>>> >>> we >>>> >>> have >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>>> need to >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >>>> been >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC >>>> >>> but >>>> >>> likely >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>>> >>> join >>>> to >>>> >>> join >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> agree >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to >>>> >>> be >>>> >>> w/c >>>> >>> August 5. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Best >>>> >>> Sheetal >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>> >>>> getting >>>> the >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >>>> June >>>> >>>> 26 >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>>> >>>> would >>>> >>>> get >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>> Day >>>> >>>> zero >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>>> >>>>> it... >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>> >>>>> please >>>> >>>>> ensure >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >>>> >>>>> can >>>> be >>>> >>>>> done >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >>>> main >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>>> >>>>> request >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>>> Mailing >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >>>> around >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>>> >>>>> convened >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that >>>> also >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>>> well as >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >>>> >>>>> list >>>> >>>>> . >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our >>>> next >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>> >>>>> Another >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>> co-coordinators >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>>> >>>>> there >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well >>>> >>>>> as >>>> >>>>> proper >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to >>>> join >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created >>>> this >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability >>>> for >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>> 0603 >>>> >>> DD7F >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>------------------------ >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> >>*, >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> >>< >>>> >> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> >> Member. UN IGF MAG >>>> >> Member >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------ >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> *, >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> < >>>> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> Member. UN IGF MAG >>>> Member >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 09:22:42 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:22:42 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Response is inline; On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, wrote: > It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. > This is noted. > > And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no > details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you > calling coordinators incompetent? > 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year for January's elections. 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership issue. > > It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because > there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was > interested in elections at some point. Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. And you should thank those who > have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the > history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were > called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves > for that. > The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it is the leadership that needs revival. > > Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything > was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to > thank me for my service :) Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take responsibility. But this is not the point here as I don't > always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful > to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else > who provided help. > > The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. I look > forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have > voting rights, as per the charter. > > Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. > Regards, > Arsene > > > 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > : > > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. > > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by > > those that participate in last held elections. > > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by > virtue > > of Charter. > > > > Get on with the elections! > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> What a load of rubbish! > >> The elections need to take place asap. > >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. > >> > >> > >> Get it together! > >> > >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is > >>> ok > >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is > >>> involved > >>> in such a group if she can be. > >>> > >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much > appreciated. > >>> > >>> Best > >>> Sheetal. > >>> > >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. > >>>> > >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an > >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim > >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that > >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we > >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big > >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes > >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be > >>>> taken by Berlin? > >>>> > >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done > >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been > >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official > >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is > >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been > >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two > >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? > >>>> > >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please > >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. > >>>> > >>>> I hope this helps. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Arsene > >>>> > >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: > >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. > >>>> > > >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you > >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go > >>>> well > >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in > the > >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a > >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like > to > >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the > >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group > taking > >>>> it > >>>> > forward. > >>>> > > >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. > >>>> > > >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that > it > >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and > >>>> > that > >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. > >>>> > > >>>> > Ian Peter > >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ > >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" > >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta > T. > >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; > "Parminder" > >>>> > ; "governance" > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM > >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > >>>> > zero event and other subjects > >>>> > > >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the > last > >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new > >>>> >> charter > >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next > >>>> >> steps. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>Regards, > >>>> >>Arsene > >>>> >> > >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > >>>> >>> Dear all, > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, > >>>> >>> we > >>>> >>> have > >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations > >>>> need to > >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has > >>>> been > >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC > >>>> >>> but > >>>> >>> likely > >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to > >>>> >>> join > >>>> to > >>>> >>> join > >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call > >>>> >>> to > >>>> >>> agree > >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to > >>>> >>> be > >>>> >>> w/c > >>>> >>> August 5. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Best > >>>> >>> Sheetal > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> Bruna, > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards > >>>> >>>> getting > >>>> the > >>>> >>>> IGC > >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On > >>>> June > >>>> >>>> 26 > >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and > >>>> >>>> would > >>>> >>>> get > >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Ian Peter > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" > >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" > >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF > >>>> Day > >>>> >>>> zero > >>>> >>>> event and other subjects > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > >>>> >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> wrote: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you > plan > >>>> >>>>> it... > >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and > >>>> >>>>> please > >>>> >>>>> ensure > >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions > >>>> >>>>> can > >>>> be > >>>> >>>>> done > >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that > the > >>>> main > >>>> >>>>> and > >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I > >>>> >>>>> request > >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> parminder > >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance > >>>> Mailing > >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions > >>>> around > >>>> >>>>> the > >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of > us > >>>> >>>>> convened > >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and > that > >>>> also > >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as > >>>> well as > >>>> >>>>> the > >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits > >>>> >>>>> list > >>>> >>>>> >. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss > our > >>>> next > >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in > November. > >>>> >>>>> Another > >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC > >>>> co-coordinators > >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related > subjects, > >>>> >>>>> there > >>>> >>>>> is > >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well > >>>> >>>>> as > >>>> >>>>> proper > >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members > to > >>>> join > >>>> >>>>> IGC. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar > created > >>>> this > >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their > availability > >>>> for > >>>> >>>>> the > >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> -- > >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > >>>> >>>>> @boomartins > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> --- > >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> List help: < > https://riseup.net/lists> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> --- > >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>> >>>>> List help: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> --- > >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>> >>>> List help: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> -- > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* > >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 > >>>> 0603 > >>>> >>> DD7F > >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > >>>> >>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >>-- > >>>> >>------------------------ > >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * > >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > >>>> >>*, > >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 > >>>> >> > >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > >>>> >>< > >>>> >> > >>>> > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > >>>> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > >>>> >> Member. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:24:35 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Response is inline; > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, > wrote: > >> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. >> This is noted. >> >> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you >> calling coordinators incompetent? >> > > 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year > for January's elections. > > 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to > blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". > > I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people > personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership > issue. > >> >> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because >> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was >> interested in elections at some point. > > > Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of > interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. > > And you should thank those who >> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the >> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were >> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves >> for that. >> > > The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it is > the leadership that needs revival. > >> >> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything >> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to >> thank me for my service :) > > > Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities > not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do > us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not > calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take > responsibility. > > But this is not the point here as I don't >> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful >> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else >> who provided help. >> >> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! > > The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means > having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. > > I look >> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have >> voting rights, as per the charter. >> >> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. >> > > Regards, >> Arsene >> >> >> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> : >> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >> > those that participate in last held elections. >> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >> virtue >> > of Charter. >> > >> > Get on with the elections! >> > >> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> What a load of rubbish! >> >> The elections need to take place asap. >> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >> >> >> >> >> >> Get it together! >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Dear all, >> >>> >> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is >> >>> ok >> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >> >>> involved >> >>> in such a group if she can be. >> >>> >> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >> appreciated. >> >>> >> >>> Best >> >>> Sheetal. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >> >>>> >> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of >> an >> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should >> be >> >>>> taken by Berlin? >> >>>> >> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has >> been >> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >> >>>> >> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >> >>>> >> >>>> I hope this helps. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regards, >> >>>> Arsene >> >>>> >> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >> >>>> well >> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in >> the >> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like >> to >> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with >> the >> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >> taking >> >>>> it >> >>>> > forward. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that >> it >> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >> >>>> > that >> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Ian Peter >> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta >> T. >> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >> "Parminder" >> >>>> > ; "governance" >> >>>> > > >>>> > >> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >> Day >> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >> >>>> > >> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the >> last >> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >> >>>> >> charter >> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you >> are. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >> >>>> >> steps. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>Regards, >> >>>> >>Arsene >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar > >: >> >>>> >>> Dear all, >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for >> Bestbits, >> >>>> >>> we >> >>>> >>> have >> >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >> >>>> need to >> >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure >> has >> >>>> been >> >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC >> >>>> >>> but >> >>>> >>> likely >> >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >> >>>> >>> join >> >>>> to >> >>>> >>> join >> >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The >> call >> >>>> >>> to >> >>>> >>> agree >> >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going >> to >> >>>> >>> be >> >>>> >>> w/c >> >>>> >>> August 5. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Best >> >>>> >>> Sheetal >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >> >>>> >>>> getting >> >>>> the >> >>>> >>>> IGC >> >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? >> On >> >>>> June >> >>>> >>>> 26 >> >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >> >>>> >>>> would >> >>>> >>>> get >> >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >> >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >> >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, >> IGF >> >>>> Day >> >>>> >>>> zero >> >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you >> plan >> >>>> >>>>> it... >> >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >> >>>> >>>>> please >> >>>> >>>>> ensure >> >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >> >>>> >>>>> can >> >>>> be >> >>>> >>>>> done >> >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that >> the >> >>>> main >> >>>> >>>>> and >> >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >> >>>> >>>>> request >> >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> parminder >> >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >> >>>> Mailing >> >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >> >>>> around >> >>>> >>>>> the >> >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of >> us >> >>>> >>>>> convened >> >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and >> that >> >>>> also >> >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >> >>>> well as >> >>>> >>>>> the >> >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >> >>>> >>>>> list >> >>>> >>>>> > >. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss >> our >> >>>> next >> >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in >> November. >> >>>> >>>>> Another >> >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >> >>>> co-coordinators >> >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related >> subjects, >> >>>> >>>>> there >> >>>> >>>>> is >> >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as >> well >> >>>> >>>>> as >> >>>> >>>>> proper >> >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members >> to >> >>>> join >> >>>> >>>>> IGC. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >> created >> >>>> this >> >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >> availability >> >>>> for >> >>>> >>>>> the >> >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> -- >> >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> --- >> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> List help: < >> https://riseup.net/lists> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> --- >> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>> >>>>> List help: >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>> --- >> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>> >>>> List help: >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> -- >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >> >>>> 0603 >> >>>> >>> DD7F >> >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>-- >> >>>> >>------------------------ >> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >>>> >>*, >> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>>> >>< >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >>>> >> Member. UN IGF >> MAG >> >>>> >> Member >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> ------------------------ >> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >>>> *, >> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >> >>>> >> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>>> < >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >>>> Member. UN IGF >> MAG >> >>>> Member >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* * >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> *, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> GPG: 523644A0 >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> < >> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> > >> >> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> Member >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 10:09:45 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:09:45 -0300 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear all, Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ? *CS Meeting Agenda * 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC) 2. Charter review discussion 3. IGC New Website 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event 6. AOB Is there any other subject our members wish to add ? Best, Bruna Santos Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Response is inline; >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, >> wrote: >> >>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. >>> This is noted. >>> >>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you >>> calling coordinators incompetent? >>> >> >> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year >> for January's elections. >> >> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to >> blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". >> >> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people >> personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership >> issue. >> >>> >>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because >>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was >>> interested in elections at some point. >> >> >> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of >> interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. >> >> And you should thank those who >>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the >>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were >>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves >>> for that. >>> >> >> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it >> is the leadership that needs revival. >> >>> >>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything >>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to >>> thank me for my service :) >> >> >> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities >> not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do >> us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not >> calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take >> responsibility. >> >> But this is not the point here as I don't >>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful >>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else >>> who provided help. >>> >>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! >> >> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means >> having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. >> >> I look >>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have >>> voting rights, as per the charter. >>> >>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. >>> >> >> Regards, >>> Arsene >>> >>> >>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> : >>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >>> > those that participate in last held elections. >>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >>> virtue >>> > of Charter. >>> > >>> > Get on with the elections! >>> > >>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> What a load of rubbish! >>> >> The elections need to take place asap. >>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Get it together! >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone >>> is >>> >>> ok >>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>> >>> involved >>> >>> in such a group if she can be. >>> >>> >>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >>> appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >> > >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of >>> an >>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should >>> be >>> >>>> taken by Berlin? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has >>> been >>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>>> Arsene >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will >>> go >>> >>>> well >>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in >>> the >>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would >>> like to >>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with >>> the >>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >>> taking >>> >>>> it >>> >>>> > forward. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important >>> that it >>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>> >>>> > that >>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Ian Peter >>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; >>> "Salanieta T. >>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >>> "Parminder" >>> >>>> > ; "governance" >>> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>> Day >>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the >>> last >>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>> >>>> >> charter >>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you >>> are. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>> >>>> >> steps. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>Regards, >>> >>>> >>Arsene >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >> >: >>> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for >>> Bestbits, >>> >>>> >>> we >>> >>>> >>> have >>> >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>> >>>> need to >>> >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure >>> has >>> >>>> been >>> >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on >>> IGC >>> >>>> >>> but >>> >>>> >>> likely >>> >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>> >>>> >>> join >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> >>> join >>> >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The >>> call >>> >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> >>> agree >>> >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going >>> to >>> >>>> >>> be >>> >>>> >>> w/c >>> >>>> >>> August 5. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> Best >>> >>>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>> >>>> >>>> getting >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> >>>> IGC >>> >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? >>> On >>> >>>> June >>> >>>> >>>> 26 >>> >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>> >>>> >>>> would >>> >>>> >>>> get >>> >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, >>> IGF >>> >>>> Day >>> >>>> >>>> zero >>> >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you >>> plan >>> >>>> >>>>> it... >>> >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>> >>>> >>>>> please >>> >>>> >>>>> ensure >>> >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >>> >>>> >>>>> can >>> >>>> be >>> >>>> >>>>> done >>> >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that >>> the >>> >>>> main >>> >>>> >>>>> and >>> >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which >>> I >>> >>>> >>>>> request >>> >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>> >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>> >>>> Mailing >>> >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some >>> discussions >>> >>>> around >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some >>> of us >>> >>>> >>>>> convened >>> >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and >>> that >>> >>>> also >>> >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>> >>>> well as >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >>> >>>> >>>>> list >>> >>>> >>>>> < >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss >>> our >>> >>>> next >>> >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in >>> November. >>> >>>> >>>>> Another >>> >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>> >>>> co-coordinators >>> >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related >>> subjects, >>> >>>> >>>>> there >>> >>>> >>>>> is >>> >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as >>> well >>> >>>> >>>>> as >>> >>>> >>>>> proper >>> >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for >>> members to >>> >>>> join >>> >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>> created >>> >>>> this >>> >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>> availability >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> List help: < >>> https://riseup.net/lists> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>>> >>>>> List help: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> --- >>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>>> >>>> List help: >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B >>> E9E2 >>> >>>> 0603 >>> >>>> >>> DD7F >>> >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>-- >>> >>>> >>------------------------ >>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> >>>> >>*, >>> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> >>>> >>< >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> >>>> >> Member. UN >>> IGF MAG >>> >>>> >> Member >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> ------------------------ >>> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> >>>> *, >>> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>> >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> >>>> < >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> >>>> Member. UN IGF >>> MAG >>> >>>> Member >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------ >>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> *, >>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> >>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> < >>> >>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>> > >>> >>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 12:29:34 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:29:34 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Looks good to me. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 3:09 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ? > > *CS Meeting Agenda * > > 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC) > 2. Charter review discussion > 3. IGC New Website > 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections > 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event > 6. AOB > > Is there any other subject our members wish to add ? > > Best, > Bruna Santos > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > >> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Response is inline; >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. >>>> This is noted. >>>> >>>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >>>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you >>>> calling coordinators incompetent? >>>> >>> >>> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year >>> for January's elections. >>> >>> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind >>> to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". >>> >>> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of >>> people personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key >>> leadership issue. >>> >>>> >>>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because >>>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was >>>> interested in elections at some point. >>> >>> >>> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of >>> interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. >>> >>> And you should thank those who >>>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the >>>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were >>>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves >>>> for that. >>>> >>> >>> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it >>> is the leadership that needs revival. >>> >>>> >>>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything >>>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to >>>> thank me for my service :) >>> >>> >>> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG >>> activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your >>> service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take >>> responsibility for not calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders >>> must be able to take responsibility. >>> >>> But this is not the point here as I don't >>>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful >>>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else >>>> who provided help. >>>> >>>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! >>> >>> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also >>> means having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. >>> >>> I look >>>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have >>>> voting rights, as per the charter. >>>> >>>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. >>>> >>> >>> Regards, >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> : >>>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >>>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >>>> > those that participate in last held elections. >>>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >>>> virtue >>>> > of Charter. >>>> > >>>> > Get on with the elections! >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> What a load of rubbish! >>>> >> The elections need to take place asap. >>>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Get it together! >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone >>>> is >>>> >>> ok >>>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> in such a group if she can be. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Best >>>> >>> Sheetal. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali < >>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle >>>> of an >>>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should >>>> aim >>>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) >>>> should be >>>> >>>> taken by Berlin? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has >>>> been >>>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will >>>> go >>>> >>>> well >>>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think >>>> in the >>>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would >>>> like to >>>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with >>>> the >>>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >>>> taking >>>> >>>> it >>>> >>>> > forward. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important >>>> that it >>>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>>> >>>> > that >>>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Ian Peter >>>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; >>>> "Salanieta T. >>>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >>>> "Parminder" >>>> >>>> > ; "governance" >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>> Day >>>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the >>>> last >>>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>>> >>>> >> charter >>>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you >>>> are. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>> >>>> >> steps. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>Regards, >>>> >>>> >>Arsene >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar < >>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>: >>>> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for >>>> Bestbits, >>>> >>>> >>> we >>>> >>>> >>> have >>>> >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC >>>> conversations >>>> >>>> need to >>>> >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure >>>> has >>>> >>>> been >>>> >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> >>> but >>>> >>>> >>> likely >>>> >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>>> >>>> >>> join >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>> join >>>> >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The >>>> call >>>> >>>> >>> to >>>> >>>> >>> agree >>>> >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is >>>> going to >>>> >>>> >>> be >>>> >>>> >>> w/c >>>> >>>> >>> August 5. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Best >>>> >>>> >>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>> >>>> >>>> getting >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) >>>> underway? On >>>> >>>> June >>>> >>>> >>>> 26 >>>> >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>>> >>>> >>>> would >>>> >>>> >>>> get >>>> >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, >>>> IGF >>>> >>>> Day >>>> >>>> >>>> zero >>>> >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you >>>> plan >>>> >>>> >>>>> it... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>> >>>> >>>>> please >>>> >>>> >>>>> ensure >>>> >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based >>>> discussions >>>> >>>> >>>>> can >>>> >>>> be >>>> >>>> >>>>> done >>>> >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says >>>> that the >>>> >>>> main >>>> >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, >>>> which I >>>> >>>> >>>>> request >>>> >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>> governance >>>> >>>> Mailing >>>> >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some >>>> discussions >>>> >>>> around >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some >>>> of us >>>> >>>> >>>>> convened >>>> >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and >>>> that >>>> >>>> also >>>> >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, >>>> as >>>> >>>> well as >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the >>>> BestBits >>>> >>>> >>>>> list >>>> >>>> >>>>> < >>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to >>>> discuss our >>>> >>>> next >>>> >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in >>>> November. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Another >>>> >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>> >>>> co-coordinators >>>> >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related >>>> subjects, >>>> >>>> >>>>> there >>>> >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as >>>> well >>>> >>>> >>>>> as >>>> >>>> >>>>> proper >>>> >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for >>>> members to >>>> >>>> join >>>> >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>> created >>>> >>>> this >>>> >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>>> availability >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>> >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: < >>>> https://riseup.net/lists> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B >>>> E9E2 >>>> >>>> 0603 >>>> >>>> >>> DD7F >>>> >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>>> >>------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> >>>> >>*, >>>> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> >>>> >>< >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> >>>> >> Member. 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UN IGF MAG >>>> Member >>>> >>> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Jul 17 12:55:03 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:25:03 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f578557-6767-eee5-3d0b-d1dca34283df@itforchange.net>   Bruno andArsene I am sorry, I want to be most respectful, engaged etc, but one can say something only that many times, and we all have limited  time. A coordinator is before all the custodian and implementer of the constitutional document of  the concerned group/ community, here the IGc charter... I have now many times pointed to the fact, supported by others, that the IGC charter is unequivocal that this*elist is the primary workplace of the IGC*...  But you simply do not respond to that point , for whatever reason. (Nor to others -- admittedly less important points, like a request to know when is the planned day zero meeting and asking to ensure there is no overlap with JNC meeting in the afternoon of that day) Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many months about review of IGC charter.. No one really know why, how, or such about this. Not one word, justification, etc have ever been advanced on this list, much less put that to discussion, on what the charter says as the primary workplace of the IGC. Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the triggers, reasons, justifications......!!???? Is this too much to ask... I have not followed this discussion of this small group, which shows up off and on, but always remains very unclear about what exactly is happening. But in between I read somewhere, someone talking about amending the charter, and another saying the charter may be saying this, the original person pressing for the amendment saying, ok, but where is the charter, I havent seen it !!!???? People want to amend the charter without having seen it... What is happening here. I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions have been made on the behalf of IGC, without following any kind of due procedure, and when the charter is absolutely clear as well as insistent about the due process, and so on, many things.... I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming  a real mess, sorry... Best regards parminder On 17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Dear all,  > > Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ?  > > *CS Meeting Agenda * > > 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC) > 2. Charter review discussion > 3. IGC New Website  > 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections  > 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event  > 6. AOB > > Is there any other subject our members wish to add ?  > > Best,  > Bruna Santos  > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > a > écrit : > > I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, > > wrote: > > Response is inline; > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, > > wrote: > > It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is > your right. > This is noted. > > And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no > details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what > basis are you > calling coordinators incompetent? > > > 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November > last year for January's elections. > > 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for > the wind to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's > term for "rudderless". > > I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and > not of people personally. This is not a personal attack but > addressing a key leadership issue. > > > It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since > January because > there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that > no one was > interested in elections at some point. > > > Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of > people's lack of interest. There was no call put out last > November, 2018. > > And you should thank those who > have helped revive the discussion because those here who > recall the > history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if > elections were > called at that time, close to no one would have nominated > themselves > for that. > > > The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers > globally, it is the leadership that needs revival. > > > Only God knows how many times I called for help here when > everything > was almost dying, I think at some point this community > will have to > thank me for my service :) > > > Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG > activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you > for your service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when > you do not take responsibility for not calling elections. This > is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take responsibility. > > But this is not the point here as I don't > always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I > am thankful > to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and > everyone else > who provided help. > > The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! > > The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it > also means having Frank and open and honest conversations so > we can move forward. > > I look > forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed > time to have > voting rights, as per the charter. > > Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and > scores more. > > > Regards, > Arsene > > > 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > >: > > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the > coordinators. > > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only > be voted on by > > those that participate in last held elections. > > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last > January by virtue > > of Charter. > > > > Get on with the elections! > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > > wrote: > > > >> What a load of rubbish! > >> The elections need to take place asap. > >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. > >> > >> > >> Get it together! > >> > >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering > group, if everyone is > >>> ok > >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that > Farzaneh is > >>> involved > >>> in such a group if she can be. > >>> > >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, > much appreciated. > >>> > >>> Best > >>> Sheetal. > >>> > >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. > >>>> > >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in > the middle of an > >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I > think we should aim > >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the > latest so that > >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in > November, we > >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because > that's the only big > >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year > and then comes > >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and > decisions?) should be > >>>> taken by Berlin? > >>>> > >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I > should have done > >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I > have only been > >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer > take an official > >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to > Bruna who is > >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and > Sheetal who has been > >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at > least the two > >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few > months? > >>>> > >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member > so please > >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. > >>>> > >>>> I hope this helps. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Arsene > >>>> > >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > < > >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com >: > >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. > >>>> > > >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as > everything else you > >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out > process which will go > >>>> well > >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, > but I think in the > >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list > to endorse a > >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process > forward. I would like to > >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list > is happy with the > >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a > leadership group taking > >>>> it > >>>> > forward. > >>>> > > >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. > >>>> > > >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very > important that it > >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have > mentioned, and > >>>> > that > >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. > >>>> > > >>>> > Ian Peter > >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ > >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" > > >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > > >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com > " >; "Salanieta T. > >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >; "Parminder" > >>>> > >; "governance" > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM > >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging > Bestbits in, IGF Day > >>>> > zero event and other subjects > >>>> > > >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with > Bruna during the last > >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to > conduct co-co > >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is > completed, the new > >>>> >> charter > >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am > sure Bruna was > >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, > but here you are. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and > agree on next > >>>> >> steps. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>Regards, > >>>> >>Arsene > >>>> >> > >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar > >: > >>>> >>>  Dear all, > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal > matter for Bestbits, > >>>> >>> we > >>>> >>> have > >>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any > IGC conversations > >>>> need to > >>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point > where the closure has > >>>> been > >>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits > who are not on IGC > >>>> >>> but > >>>> >>> likely > >>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from > Bestbits who want to > >>>> >>> join > >>>> to > >>>> >>> join > >>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator > elections going? The call > >>>> >>> to > >>>> >>> agree > >>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same > page is going to > >>>> >>> be > >>>> >>> w/c > >>>> >>>  August 5. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>  Best > >>>> >>>  Sheetal > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, > ian.peter at ianpeter.com > >>>> >>>  > > >>>> >>>  wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>  Bruna, > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter - > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going > as regards > >>>> >>>> getting > >>>> the > >>>> >>>>  IGC > >>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last > January) underway? On > >>>> June > >>>> >>>> 26 > >>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking > to Arsene and > >>>> >>>> would > >>>> >>>> get > >>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>  Ian Peter > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------ > >>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >>>> >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" > > >>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" > > >>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > >>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging > Bestbits in, IGF > >>>> Day > >>>> >>>> zero > >>>> >>>>  event and other subjects > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > >>>> >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> >>>>  wrote: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all! > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their > internal matter. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the > IGC, when do you plan > >>>> >>>>> it... > >>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on > day zero, and > >>>> >>>>> please > >>>> >>>>>  ensure > >>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call > based discussions > >>>> >>>>> can > >>>> be > >>>> >>>>>  done > >>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter > clearly says that the > >>>> main > >>>> >>>>>  and > >>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this > e-list, which I > >>>> >>>>> request > >>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  parminder > >>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos > (via governance > >>>> Mailing > >>>> >>>>>  List) wrote: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members, > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been > some discussions > >>>> around > >>>> >>>>>  the > >>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the > past months. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon > >, some of us > >>>> >>>>> convened > >>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society > Coordination and that > >>>> also > >>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the > discussion, as > >>>> well as > >>>> >>>>>  the > >>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found > at the BestBits > >>>> >>>>> list > >>>> >>>>>  > . > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a > call to discuss our > >>>> next > >>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, > later in November. > >>>> >>>>> Another > >>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC > website, IGC > >>>> co-coordinators > >>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC > related subjects, > >>>> >>>>> there > >>>> >>>>>  is > >>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for > BestBits, as well > >>>> >>>>> as > >>>> >>>>>  proper > >>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the > possibility for members to > >>>> join > >>>> >>>>>  IGC. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar > > > created > >>>> this > >>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate > their availability > >>>> for > >>>> >>>>> the > >>>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > >>>> >>>>>  > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Best Regards, > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  -- > >>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > >>>> >>>>>  @boomartins > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  --- > >>>> >>>>>  To unsubscribe: > > > >>>> >>>>>  > > >>>> >>>>>  List help: > > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>  --- > >>>> >>>>>  To unsubscribe: > > > >>>> >>>>>  List help: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>  --- > >>>> >>>>  To unsubscribe: > > > >>>> >>>>  List help: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>  -- > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar* > >>>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > >>>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > >>>> >>>  T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | > >>>> >>>  PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: > F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 > >>>> 0603 > >>>> >>> DD7F > >>>> >>>  E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > >>>> >>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >>-- > >>>> >>------------------------ > >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * > >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > >>>> >>*, > >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl > *, > >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 > >>>> >> > >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > >>>> >>< > >>>> >> > >>>> > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > >>>> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > >>>> >> > Member. 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URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Jul 17 13:05:30 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:35:30 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <4559dc9a-97a8-0538-cda1-2fb7fe248f07@itforchange.net> Sheetal About disregard of the process, I must say that the shoe is entirely on the other foot... Having just now locked horns with the IGC co-coordinators on the absolutely unclear issue of IGC charter amendment, If I read your email right, the only real issue we have in front of us is that we ensure that those BB members who are not already in the IGC if they join now -- hopefully within the next 2 weeks or so -- they are able to vote in the next election, given that a 2 month cooling period is required for new members. Very well, is this the real/ main problem... We can try to address it, fine. But is it really just this. Let us be clear about it. You now saw, "IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps." How do I square this with what Arsene said in his email already today, with whatever authority he said it with, that (emphasis added) "I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co elections is right after the merger step is completed*, the new charter****has been adopted *and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps." regards parminder On 17/07/19 5:36 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear all, > > I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. > It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand > is the disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about > a large and until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, > Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and its members who are not > already part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, > it had an active membership, it had a functioning website, it had a > steering group, it used to coordinate, and more. It also had its own > membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event before the global > IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many people who have been > part of that discussion or at least following on Bestbits who are not > on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? Whether its > semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that this has > been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an impact > on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it > makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits > (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want > to run for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a > discussion towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in > this space. It just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits > discussion and to take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind > (again, because of the history of the connection between Bestbits and > IGC). > > I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each > person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before > the election will be given a voter account". > > So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they > couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there > is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. > > For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not > been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, > further down the line. Perhaps. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma > > wrote: > > I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. > Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". > > Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a > click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. > > My 2 cents > > Nnenna > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian > > wrote: > > Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits is to > be wound up, so be it. > >   > > After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC > please subscribe to the list and do so. > >   > >   > > *From: * > on behalf of > parminder > > *Reply to: *parminder > > *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm > *To: *Arsène Tungali >, Sheetal Kumar > > > *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com " > >, > "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >, governance > > > *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, > IGF Day zero event and other subjects > >   > > On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: > > Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >   > > I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last > > ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > > elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter > > has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > > planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > > Arsene > > I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... > > There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it > is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take > that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil > society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than > insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). > > And there is really no merger involved here, even if people > loosely use that language . > > I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC > charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly > are you talking about. > > And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC > co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about > how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also > an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. > >   > > I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. > > You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you > have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, > and would have no meaning or consequence for it. > > regards > > parminder > >   > >   > > Regards, > > Arsene > >   > > 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > > Dear all, > >   > > While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have > > agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to > > take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been > > agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely > > will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > >   > > As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join > > and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree > > next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c > > August 5. > >   > > Best > > Sheetal > >   > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > > > wrote: > >   > > Bruna, > >   > > On a more substantive matter - > >   > > Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the > > IGC > > Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 > > you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get > > back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? > >   > > Ian Peter > >   > >   > >   > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > To: "Parminder" > > Cc: "governance" > > Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero > > event and other subjects > >   > > Agree with Parminder. > >   > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > > wrote: > >   > > HI Bruna/ All > >   > > Good morning to all! > >   > > Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > >   > > As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... > > Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please > > ensure > > that these do not clash. Thanks. > >   > > While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be > > done > > among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main > > and > > authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request > > everyone's attention to. > >   > > thanks and best regards > >   > > parminder > > On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > > List) wrote: > >   > > Dear IGC members, > >   > > As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around > > the > > merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > >   > > Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened > > to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also > > entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as > > the > > decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list > > . > >   > > Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next > > steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another > > agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators > > elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there > > is > > also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as > > proper > > outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join > > IGC. > >   > > For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this > > doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the > > call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > > > >   > > Best Regards, > >   > > -- > > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > >   > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > > @boomartins > >   > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > > > List help: > >   > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > >   > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > >   > >   > > -- > >   > >   > > *Sheetal Kumar* > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F > > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > >   > >   > > --- To unsubscribe: List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > -- > > * > * > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Jul 17 13:21:34 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:51:34 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <5cbf8a88-c405-0beb-7278-5cbd8ca79f67@itforchange.net> So well Cant understand whether this is just an issue of a set of people from another group wanting to join IGC, bec they are dissolving theirs, and there is just this concern (the joining process otherwise being straight forward) that they get that 2 month cooling period to be able to participate in the IGC election (although of course cooling periods too exist for good reason). Because herewe also seem being bequeathed a whole new self appointed leadership , which, excuse me to say it, is nothing short of absolutely stunning. Now this below idea, per force and naturally, occurred to me when I read these emails earlier in the day, But I did  not share it at that time out of geniality. But I am hardly able to repress it now, having been pushed into writing these emails now after it seems that the concerned people -- even after many exchanges over today and earlier --  clearly have  no intention to do anything other than what they were set upon earlier and others have been objecting to   ... It is only in half (and not, full) jest that I quote below thewikipedia entry for 'reverse takeover' ;), with apologies, but sometimes outside analogies can throw good light on a murky subject  -- and how close the analogy reads! A *reverse takeover* or *reverse merger takeover* (reverse IPO ) is the acquisition of a public company  by a private company  so that the private company can bypass the lengthy and complex process of going public.[1]  The transaction typically requires reorganization of capitalization of the acquiring company.[2]  Sometimes, conversely, the private company is bought by the public listed company through an asset swap and share issue.[3] In a reverse takeover, shareholders of the private company purchase control of the public shell company  and then merge it with the private company. The publicly traded corporation is called a "shell" since all that exists of the original company is its organizational structure. The private company shareholders receive a substantial majority of the shares of the public company and control of its board of directors . The transaction can be accomplished within weeks. The transaction involves the private and shell company exchanging information on each other, negotiating the merger terms, and signing a share exchange agreement. At the closing, the shell company issues a substantial majority of its shares and board control to the shareholders of the private company. The private company's shareholders pay for the shell company by contributing their shares in the private company to the shell company that they now control. This share exchange and change of control completes the reverse takeover, transforming the formerly privately held company into a publicly held company. parminder On 17/07/19 4:06 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is > ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is > involved in such a group if she can be. > > And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > wrote: > > Thanks for sharing that, Ian. > > I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an > important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim > at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that > January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we > should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big > physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes > holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be > taken by Berlin? > > If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done > this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been > doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official > position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is > still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been > leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two > individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? > > This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please > consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. > > I hope this helps. > > Regards, > Arsene > > 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > >: > > Thanks for that update Arsene. > > > > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you > > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will > go well > > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think > in the > > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a > > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would > like to > > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the > > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group > taking it > > forward. > > > > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. > > > > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important > that it > > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, > and that > > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. > > > > Ian Peter > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Arsène Tungali" > > > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > > > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com " > >; > "Salanieta T. > > Tamanikaiwaimaro" >; "Parminder" > > >; > "governance" > > > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > > zero event and other subjects > > > >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >> > >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the > last > >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new > charter > >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > >> > >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next > steps. > >> > >>Regards, > >>Arsene > >> > >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar > >: > >>>  Dear all, > >>> > >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for > Bestbits, we > >>> have > >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC > conversations need to > >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure > has been > >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on > IGC but > >>> likely > >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > >>> > >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want > to join to > >>> join > >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The > call to > >>> agree > >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is > going to be > >>> w/c > >>>  August 5. > >>> > >>>  Best > >>>  Sheetal > >>> > >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > >>>  > > >>>  wrote: > >>> > >>>>  Bruna, > >>>> > >>>>  On a more substantive matter - > >>>> > >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards > getting the > >>>>  IGC > >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January) > underway? On June > >>>> 26 > >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene > and would > >>>> get > >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? > >>>> > >>>>  Ian Peter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  ------ Original Message ------ > >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > >>>>  To: "Parminder" > > >>>>  Cc: "governance" > > >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, > IGF Day > >>>> zero > >>>>  event and other subjects > >>>> > >>>>  Agree with Parminder. > >>>> > >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > > > >>>>  wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All > >>>>> > >>>>>  Good morning to all! > >>>>> > >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > >>>>> > >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you > plan > >>>>> it... > >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and > please > >>>>>  ensure > >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based > discussions can be > >>>>>  done > >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says > that the main > >>>>>  and > >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I > >>>>> request > >>>>>  everyone's attention to. > >>>>> > >>>>>  thanks and best regards > >>>>> > >>>>>  parminder > >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via > governance Mailing > >>>>>  List) wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>  Dear IGC members, > >>>>> > >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some > discussions around > >>>>>  the > >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > >>>>> > >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon >, some of us > >>>>> convened > >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and > that also > >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, > as well as > >>>>>  the > >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the > BestBits list > >>>>>  . > >>>>> > >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to > discuss our next > >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in > November. > >>>>> Another > >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC > co-coordinators > >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related > subjects, > >>>>> there > >>>>>  is > >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as > well as > >>>>>  proper > >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for > members to join > >>>>>  IGC. > >>>>> > >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar > created this > >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their > availability for > >>>>> the > >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > >>>>>  > >>>>> > >>>>>  Best Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>>  -- > >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > >>>>> > >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > >>>>>  @boomartins > >>>>> > >>>>>  --- > >>>>>  To unsubscribe: > > >>>>>  > > >>>>>  List help: > > >>>>> > >>>>>  --- > >>>>>  To unsubscribe: > > >>>>>  List help: > >>>>> > >>>>  --- > >>>>  To unsubscribe: > > >>>>  List help: > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>  -- > >>> > >>> > >>>  *Sheetal Kumar* > >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > >>>  T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | > >>>  PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B > E9E2 0603 > >>> DD7F > >>>  E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>------------------------ > >>**Arsène Tungali* * > >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > >>*, > >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, > >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > >>GPG: 523644A0 > >> > >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > >>< > >>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> > >> > >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > >> Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 13:15:33 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:15:33 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <5f578557-6767-eee5-3d0b-d1dca34283df@itforchange.net> References: <5f578557-6767-eee5-3d0b-d1dca34283df@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi everybody, so from what I am hearing on this list these are the points that have been raised: 1. All the discussions should happen on this mailing list. ( just to remind you that they have been indeed taking place on the mailing list. Those who turned up for the meetings didn't make decisions. Bruna reverted to the list and informed the group about action items to be discussed. the discussions have not been undertaken in a small group, they took place on this mailing list and we shared the recorded meetings on the list as well). 2. Charter review:No one has decided single-handedly to review the charter. as Ian, Sala, and others rightly pointed out, we should discuss reviewing the IGC charter and measure whether the consensus over the need to revise it and what should be revised. Nothing has been decided yet. Revising the charter has to follow IGC charter amendment procedure which is in the charter. 3. There seems to be some disagreement as to when and how we should do IGC elections. Some don't want an interim group, some don't want an election yet and some want an election to happen ASAP. Lets discuss this collegially. I can create a new thread to discuss the elections. 4. As to BestBits closure, it is true that it was Bestbits decision. However, now that the closure is being finalized on BestBits, there were some concerns about how to safeguard that past couple of years materials and valuable documents that have been posted on Bestbits website. One way would be to bring those materials to IGC website under a Bestbits history page. This needs to be discussed with IGC members. Another would be to archive the website and keep it. But Jeremy does not (rightly so) want to keep administering Bestbits website and no one else is volunteering. If someone from Bestbits wants to volunteer to preserve the documents/website etc, then I believe we don't have to discuss it at IGC. I hope this is helpful. I think our frank discussions are good but let's also be mindful of the issues we have been facing in getting our act together and help each other to fix them. Farzaneh On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55 PM parminder wrote: > Bruno and Arsene > > I am sorry, I want to be most respectful, engaged etc, but one can say > something only that many times, and we all have limited time. > > A coordinator is before all the custodian and implementer of the > constitutional document of the concerned group/ community, here the IGc > charter... > > I have now many times pointed to the fact, supported by others, that the > IGC charter is unequivocal that this* elist is the primary workplace of > the IGC*... But you simply do not respond to that point , for whatever > reason. (Nor to others -- admittedly less important points, like a request > to know when is the planned day zero meeting and asking to ensure there is > no overlap with JNC meeting in the afternoon of that day) > > Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many months about > review of IGC charter.. No one really know why, how, or such about this. > Not one word, justification, etc have ever been advanced on this list, much > less put that to discussion, on what the charter says as the primary > workplace of the IGC. > > Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the triggers, reasons, > justifications......!!???? Is this too much to ask... > > I have not followed this discussion of this small group, which shows up > off and on, but always remains very unclear about what exactly is > happening. But in between I read somewhere, someone talking about amending > the charter, and another saying the charter may be saying this, the > original person pressing for the amendment saying, ok, but where is the > charter, I havent seen it !!!???? People want to amend the charter without > having seen it... What is happening here. > > I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions have been made on > the behalf of IGC, without following any kind of due procedure, and when > the charter is absolutely clear as well as insistent about the due process, > and so on, many things.... > > I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming a real mess, sorry... > > Best regards > > parminder > > > On 17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > List) wrote: > > Dear all, > > Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ? > > *CS Meeting Agenda * > > 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC) > 2. Charter review discussion > 3. IGC New Website > 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections > 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event > 6. AOB > > Is there any other subject our members wish to add ? > > Best, > Bruna Santos > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > >> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Response is inline; >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. >>>> This is noted. >>>> >>>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >>>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you >>>> calling coordinators incompetent? >>>> >>> >>> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year >>> for January's elections. >>> >>> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind >>> to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". >>> >>> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of >>> people personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key >>> leadership issue. >>> >>>> >>>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because >>>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was >>>> interested in elections at some point. >>> >>> >>> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of >>> interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. >>> >>> And you should thank those who >>>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the >>>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were >>>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves >>>> for that. >>>> >>> >>> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it >>> is the leadership that needs revival. >>> >>>> >>>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything >>>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to >>>> thank me for my service :) >>> >>> >>> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG >>> activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your >>> service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take >>> responsibility for not calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders >>> must be able to take responsibility. >>> >>> But this is not the point here as I don't >>>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful >>>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else >>>> who provided help. >>>> >>>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! >>> >>> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also >>> means having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. >>> >>> I look >>>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have >>>> voting rights, as per the charter. >>>> >>>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. >>>> >>> >>> Regards, >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> : >>>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >>>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >>>> > those that participate in last held elections. >>>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >>>> virtue >>>> > of Charter. >>>> > >>>> > Get on with the elections! >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> What a load of rubbish! >>>> >> The elections need to take place asap. >>>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Get it together! >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone >>>> is >>>> >>> ok >>>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>>> >>> involved >>>> >>> in such a group if she can be. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Best >>>> >>> Sheetal. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali < >>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle >>>> of an >>>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should >>>> aim >>>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) >>>> should be >>>> >>>> taken by Berlin? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has >>>> been >>>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will >>>> go >>>> >>>> well >>>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think >>>> in the >>>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would >>>> like to >>>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with >>>> the >>>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >>>> taking >>>> >>>> it >>>> >>>> > forward. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important >>>> that it >>>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>>> >>>> > that >>>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Ian Peter >>>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; >>>> "Salanieta T. >>>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >>>> "Parminder" >>>> >>>> > ; "governance" >>>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>> Day >>>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the >>>> last >>>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>>> >>>> >> charter >>>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you >>>> are. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>> >>>> >> steps. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>Regards, >>>> >>>> >>Arsene >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar < >>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>: >>>> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for >>>> Bestbits, >>>> >>>> >>> we >>>> >>>> >>> have >>>> >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC >>>> conversations >>>> >>>> need to >>>> >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure >>>> has >>>> >>>> been >>>> >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> >>> but >>>> >>>> >>> likely >>>> >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>>> >>>> >>> join >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>> join >>>> >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The >>>> call >>>> >>>> >>> to >>>> >>>> >>> agree >>>> >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is >>>> going to >>>> >>>> >>> be >>>> >>>> >>> w/c >>>> >>>> >>> August 5. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Best >>>> >>>> >>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>> >>>> >>>> getting >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) >>>> underway? On >>>> >>>> June >>>> >>>> >>>> 26 >>>> >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>>> >>>> >>>> would >>>> >>>> >>>> get >>>> >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, >>>> IGF >>>> >>>> Day >>>> >>>> >>>> zero >>>> >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you >>>> plan >>>> >>>> >>>>> it... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>> >>>> >>>>> please >>>> >>>> >>>>> ensure >>>> >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based >>>> discussions >>>> >>>> >>>>> can >>>> >>>> be >>>> >>>> >>>>> done >>>> >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says >>>> that the >>>> >>>> main >>>> >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, >>>> which I >>>> >>>> >>>>> request >>>> >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>> governance >>>> >>>> Mailing >>>> >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some >>>> discussions >>>> >>>> around >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some >>>> of us >>>> >>>> >>>>> convened >>>> >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and >>>> that >>>> >>>> also >>>> >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, >>>> as >>>> >>>> well as >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the >>>> BestBits >>>> >>>> >>>>> list >>>> >>>> >>>>> < >>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to >>>> discuss our >>>> >>>> next >>>> >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in >>>> November. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Another >>>> >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>> >>>> co-coordinators >>>> >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related >>>> subjects, >>>> >>>> >>>>> there >>>> >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as >>>> well >>>> >>>> >>>>> as >>>> >>>> >>>>> proper >>>> >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for >>>> members to >>>> >>>> join >>>> >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>> created >>>> >>>> this >>>> >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>>> availability >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>> >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: < >>>> https://riseup.net/lists> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B >>>> E9E2 >>>> >>>> 0603 >>>> >>>> >>> DD7F >>>> >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>>> >>------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> >>>> >>*, >>>> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> >>>> >>< >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> >>>> >> Member. UN >>>> IGF MAG >>>> >>>> >> Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>>> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> >>>> *, >>>> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> >>>> < >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> >>>> Member. UN IGF >>>> MAG >>>> >>>> Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>> 0603 >>>> >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------ >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> *, >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>>> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>> < >>>> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>> Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 13:24:30 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:24:30 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <4559dc9a-97a8-0538-cda1-2fb7fe248f07@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <4559dc9a-97a8-0538-cda1-2fb7fe248f07@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hello Parminder, From my understanding, when we talked about the elections on IGC mailing list, Bruna and Arsene on the list told us that they will go and discuss it with each other and get back to us on possible paths forward. They did not make a decision, but also the update was not received, which I think we can fix it and your point is taken. But this has nothing to do with discussing the charter amendment. Which we discussed on the list briefly and some rightly told us that we should follow the charter amendment procedure. I agree with your point all these issues should be discussed on the mailing list. Farzaneh On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:13 PM parminder wrote: > Sheetal > > About disregard of the process, I must say that the shoe is entirely on > the other foot... > > Having just now locked horns with the IGC co-coordinators on the > absolutely unclear issue of IGC charter amendment, If I read your email > right, the only real issue we have in front of us is that we ensure that > those BB members who are not already in the IGC if they join now -- > hopefully within the next 2 weeks or so -- they are able to vote in the > next election, given that a 2 month cooling period is required for new > members. > > Very well, is this the real/ main problem... We can try to address it, > fine. > > But is it really just this. Let us be clear about it. > > You now saw, "IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been agreed to > anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down the line. > Perhaps." > > How do I square this with what Arsene said in his email already today, > with whatever authority he said it with, that (emphasis added) > > "I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co elections is right after the merger step is completed*, the new charter* *has been adopted *and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps." > > regards > > parminder > > On 17/07/19 5:36 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > > Dear all, > > I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's > indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the > disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and > until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has > since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join > IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it > had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, > and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an > event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many > people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on > Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? > Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that > this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an > impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think > it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as > a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run > for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion > towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It > just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to > take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the > history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). > > I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person > who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election > will be given a voter account". > > So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they > couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a > time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. > > For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been > agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down > the line. Perhaps. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma > wrote: > >> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >> >> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to >> accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >> >> My 2 cents >> >> Nnenna >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >> >>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>> up, so be it. >>> >>> >>> >>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>> *Reply to: *parminder >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> zero event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>> >>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>> >>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>> it). >>> >>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>> that language . >>> >>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>> >>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>> assent tp the sentiment. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may >>> wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >>> consequence for it. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> >>> >>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruna, >>> >>> >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> >>> IGC >>> >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> >>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> >>> event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>> ensure >>> >>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>> >>> done >>> >>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>> >>> and >>> >>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>> >>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks and best regards >>> >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >>> >>> List) wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear IGC members, >>> >>> >>> >>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >>> >>> the >>> >>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>> >>> >>> >>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us convened >>> >>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >>> >>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >>> >>> the >>> >>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >>> >>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. Another >>> >>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >>> >>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, there >>> >>> is >>> >>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >>> >>> proper >>> >>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >>> >>> IGC. >>> >>> >>> >>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created this >>> >>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for the >>> >>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>> >>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> >>> @boomartins >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>> >>> >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F >>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- To unsubscribe: List help: >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From milton at gatech.edu Wed Jul 17 13:32:54 2019 From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:32:54 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> , Message-ID: What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying to merge BB and IGC. We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been going through to bring things back together. I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors are doing the reminding for me. It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. Milton L Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: Dear all, I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election will be given a voter account". So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps. Best Sheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma > wrote: I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. My 2 cents Nnenna On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it. After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so. From: > on behalf of parminder > Reply to: parminder > Date: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm To: Arsène Tungali >, Sheetal Kumar > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" >, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >, governance > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. Arsene I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use that language . I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. regards parminder Regards, Arsene 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : Dear all, While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c August 5. Best Sheetal On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Bruna, On a more substantive matter - Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the IGC Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Parminder" Cc: "governance" Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects Agree with Parminder. On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, wrote: HI Bruna/ All Good morning to all! Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please ensure that these do not clash. Thanks. While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be done among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main and authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request everyone's attention to. thanks and best regards parminder On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via Sheetal Kumar Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Jul 17 13:26:22 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:56:22 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <5f578557-6767-eee5-3d0b-d1dca34283df@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <84e0468e-963a-f740-3ea0-fbd53e487fed@itforchange.net> Again I just read one clear issue below -- what to do with BB material. Clear issues, can submit to clear discussion and outcome. I am very fine that it is archived on a BB history page within IGC website. Others can tell their views, and it can be closed, i expect, rather quickly. Can we therefore just stick to clear issues that really need and are are up for resolution. And do it here, on the IGC list. parminder On 17/07/19 10:45 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: > Hi everybody, > > so from what I am hearing on this list these are the points that have > been raised: > 1. All the discussions should happen on this mailing list. ( just to > remind you that they have been indeed taking place on the mailing > list. Those who turned up for  the meetings  didn't make decisions. > Bruna reverted to the list and informed the group about action items > to be discussed. the discussions have not been undertaken in a small > group, they took place on this mailing list and we shared the recorded > meetings on the list as well). > 2. Charter review:No one has decided single-handedly to review the > charter.  as Ian, Sala, and others rightly pointed out, we should > discuss reviewing the IGC charter and measure whether the consensus > over the need to revise it and what should be revised. Nothing has > been decided yet. Revising the charter has to follow IGC charter > amendment procedure which is in the charter.  > 3. There seems to be some disagreement as to when and how we should do > IGC elections. Some don't want an interim group, some don't want an > election yet and some want an election to happen ASAP. Lets discuss > this collegially. I can create a new thread to discuss the elections.  > 4. As to BestBits closure, it is true that it was Bestbits decision. > However, now that the closure is being finalized on BestBits, there > were some concerns about how to safeguard that past couple of years > materials and valuable documents that have been posted on Bestbits > website. One way would be to bring those materials to IGC website > under a Bestbits history page. This needs to be discussed with IGC > members. Another would be to archive the website and keep it. But > Jeremy does not (rightly so) want to keep administering Bestbits > website and no one else is volunteering. If someone from Bestbits > wants to volunteer to preserve the documents/website etc, then I > believe we don't have to discuss it at IGC.  > > > I hope this is helpful. I think our frank discussions are good but > let's also be mindful of the issues we have been facing in getting our > act together and help each other to fix them.  > > > > > > Farzaneh > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55 PM parminder > wrote: > >   Bruno andArsene > > I am sorry, I want to be most respectful, engaged etc, but one can > say something only that many times, and we all have limited  time. > > A coordinator is before all the custodian and implementer of the > constitutional document of  the concerned group/ community, here > the IGc charter... > > I have now many times pointed to the fact, supported by others, > that the IGC charter is unequivocal that this*elist is the primary > workplace of the IGC*...  But you simply do not respond to that > point , for whatever reason. (Nor to others -- admittedly less > important points, like a request to know when is the planned day > zero meeting and asking to ensure there is no overlap with JNC > meeting in the afternoon of that day) > > Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many months > about review of IGC charter.. No one really know why, how, or such > about this. Not one word, justification, etc have ever been > advanced on this list, much less put that to discussion, on what > the charter says as the primary workplace of the IGC. > > Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the triggers, > reasons, justifications......!!???? Is this too much to ask... > > I have not followed this discussion of this small group, which > shows up off and on, but always remains very unclear about what > exactly is happening. But in between I read somewhere, someone > talking about amending the charter, and another saying the charter > may be saying this, the original person pressing for the amendment > saying, ok, but where is the charter, I havent seen it !!!???? > People want to amend the charter without having seen it... What is > happening here. > > I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions have been > made on the behalf of IGC, without following any kind of due > procedure, and when the charter is absolutely clear as well as > insistent about the due process, and so on, many things.... > > I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming  a real mess, sorry... > > Best regards > > parminder > > > On 17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: >> Dear all,  >> >> Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ?  >> >> *CS Meeting Agenda * >> >> 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting >> into IGC) >> 2. Charter review discussion >> 3. IGC New Website  >> 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections  >> 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event  >> 6. AOB >> >> Is there any other subject our members wish to add ?  >> >> Best,  >> Bruna Santos  >> >> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> > > a écrit : >> >> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, >> > > wrote: >> >> Response is inline; >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, >> > >> wrote: >> >> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it >> is your right. >> This is noted. >> >> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On >> what basis are you >> calling coordinators incompetent? >> >> >> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from >> November last year for January's elections. >> >> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting >> for the wind to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use >> Milton's term for "rudderless". >> >> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction >> and not of people personally. This is not a personal >> attack but addressing a key leadership issue. >> >> >> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since >> January because >> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious >> that no one was >> interested in elections at some point. >> >> >> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of >> people's lack of interest. There was no call put out last >> November, 2018. >> >> And you should thank those who >> have helped revive the discussion because those here >> who recall the >> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if >> elections were >> called at that time, close to no one would have >> nominated themselves >> for that. >> >> >> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and >> shakers globally, it is the leadership that needs revival. >> >> >> Only God knows how many times I called for help here >> when everything >> was almost dying, I think at some point this >> community will have to >> thank me for my service :) >> >> >> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying >> of MAG activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst >> I thank you for your service, you do us all a tremendous >> disservice when you do not take responsibility for not >> calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must >> be able to take responsibility. >> >> But this is not the point here as I don't >> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some >> work. I am thankful >> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and >> everyone else >> who provided help. >> >> The future looks great now, let's work to make things >> happen! >> >> The future is always great! Yes we should work together >> but it also means having Frank and open and honest >> conversations so we can move forward. >> >> I look >> forward to having BestBits members join and be >> allowed time to have >> voting rights, as per the charter. >> >> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter >> and scores more. >> >> >> Regards, >> Arsene >> >> >> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> > >: >> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by >> the coordinators. >> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can >> only be voted on by >> > those that participate in last held elections. >> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended >> last January by virtue >> > of Charter. >> > >> > Get on with the elections! >> > >> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. >> Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com >> > wrote: >> > >> >> What a load of rubbish! >> >> The elections need to take place asap. >> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue >> simultaneously. >> >> >> >> >> >> Get it together! >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Dear all, >> >>> >> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering >> group, if everyone is >> >>> ok >> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest >> that Farzaneh is >> >>> involved >> >>> in such a group if she can be. >> >>> >> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so >> far, much appreciated. >> >>> >> >>> Best >> >>> Sheetal. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >> >>>> >> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections >> now in the middle of an >> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I >> think we should aim >> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at >> the latest so that >> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF >> is in November, we >> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because >> that's the only big >> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the >> year and then comes >> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and >> decisions?) should be >> >>>> taken by Berlin? >> >>>> >> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know >> I should have done >> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been >> following, I have only been >> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no >> longer take an official >> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave >> it to Bruna who is >> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, >> and Sheetal who has been >> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust >> at least the two >> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next >> few months? >> >>>> >> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a >> member so please >> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a >> member. >> >>>> >> >>>> I hope this helps. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regards, >> >>>> Arsene >> >>>> >> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >: >> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as >> everything else you >> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out >> process which will go >> >>>> well >> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path >> forward, but I think in the >> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this >> list to endorse a >> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process >> forward. I would like to >> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the >> list is happy with the >> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a >> leadership group taking >> >>>> it >> >>>> > forward. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is >> very important that it >> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others >> have mentioned, and >> >>>> > that >> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and >> endorsed. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Ian Peter >> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >> > > >> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > > >> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> " >> > >; "Salanieta T. >> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> > >; >> "Parminder" >> >>>> > > >; "governance" >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: >> Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >> >>>> > >> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue >> with Bruna during the last >> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time >> to conduct co-co >> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is >> completed, the new >> >>>> >> charter >> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I >> am sure Bruna was >> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some >> point, but here you are. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call >> and agree on next >> >>>> >> steps. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>Regards, >> >>>> >>Arsene >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >> >: >> >>>> >>>  Dear all, >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an >> internal matter for Bestbits, >> >>>> >>> we >> >>>> >>> have >> >>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say >> any IGC conversations >> >>>> need to >> >>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point >> where the closure has >> >>>> been >> >>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on >> Bestbits who are not on IGC >> >>>> >>> but >> >>>> >>> likely >> >>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions >> soon. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from >> Bestbits who want to >> >>>> >>> join >> >>>> to >> >>>> >>> join >> >>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator >> elections going? The call >> >>>> >>> to >> >>>> >>> agree >> >>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the >> same page is going to >> >>>> >>> be >> >>>> >>> w/c >> >>>> >>>  August 5. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>  Best >> >>>> >>>  Sheetal >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >>>> >>>  > > >> >>>> >>>  wrote: >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>>  Bruna, >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter - >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is >> going as regards >> >>>> >>>> getting >> >>>> the >> >>>> >>>>  IGC >> >>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last >> January) underway? On >> >>>> June >> >>>> >>>> 26 >> >>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be >> talking to Arsene and >> >>>> >>>> would >> >>>> >>>> get >> >>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>  Ian Peter >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" > > >> >>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" >> > > >> >>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: >> Merging Bestbits in, IGF >> >>>> Day >> >>>> >>>> zero >> >>>> >>>>  event and other subjects >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder. >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>>  wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all! >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their >> internal matter. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for >> the IGC, when do you plan >> >>>> >>>>> it... >> >>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post >> lunch on day zero, and >> >>>> >>>>> please >> >>>> >>>>>  ensure >> >>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method >> call based discussions >> >>>> >>>>> can >> >>>> be >> >>>> >>>>>  done >> >>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the >> charter clearly says that the >> >>>> main >> >>>> >>>>>  and >> >>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be >> this e-list, which I >> >>>> >>>>> request >> >>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  parminder >> >>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos >> Santos (via governance >> >>>> Mailing >> >>>> >>>>>  List) wrote: >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members, >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has >> been some discussions >> >>>> around >> >>>> >>>>>  the >> >>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for >> the past months. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon >> > >, some of us >> >>>> >>>>> convened >> >>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil >> Society Coordination and that >> >>>> also >> >>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary >> of the discussion, as >> >>>> well as >> >>>> >>>>>  the >> >>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be >> found at the BestBits >> >>>> >>>>> list >> >>>> >>>>>  >> . >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to >> arrange a call to discuss our >> >>>> next >> >>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the >> IGF, later in November. >> >>>> >>>>> Another >> >>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC >> website, IGC >> >>>> co-coordinators >> >>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally >> to IGC related subjects, >> >>>> >>>>> there >> >>>> >>>>>  is >> >>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure >> for BestBits, as well >> >>>> >>>>> as >> >>>> >>>>>  proper >> >>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the >> possibility for members to >> >>>> join >> >>>> >>>>>  IGC. >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >> > > created >> >>>> this >> >>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to >> indicate their availability >> >>>> for >> >>>> >>>>> the >> >>>> >>>>>  call: >> https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >>>> >>>>>  >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Best Regards, >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  -- >> >>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> >>>> >>>>>  @boomartins >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  --- >> >>>> >>>>>  To unsubscribe: >> > > >> >>>> >>>>>  > > >> >>>> >>>>>  List help: >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>  --- >> >>>> >>>>>  To unsubscribe: >> > > >> >>>> >>>>>  List help: >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>  --- >> >>>> >>>>  To unsubscribe: >> > > >> >>>> >>>>  List help: >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>  -- >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, >> E1 5JL >> >>>> >>>  T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 >> (0)7739569514  | >> >>>> >>>  PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP >> Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >> >>>> 0603 >> >>>> >>> DD7F >> >>>> >>>  E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>-- >> >>>> >>------------------------ >> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi >> international >> >>>> >>*, >> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >> *, >> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>>> >>< >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >>>> >> >> >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> >>>> >> >> >> Member >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> ------------------------ >> >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >> >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >>>> *, >> >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >> *, >> >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >> >>>> >> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>>> < >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >>>> >> >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> >>>> >> Member >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >> 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* * >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> *, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >> *, >> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> GPG: 523644A0 >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> < >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >> >> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >> Member. UN IGF MAG >> Member >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > > >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 14:03:02 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:03:02 -0300 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear Parminder and all, First of all, I would like to clear up the information about the meeting Arsene mentioned that we had back at the ICANN meeting. It was just a brief conversation for us to update each other on the state of the things past the meeting at RightsCon about general CS convening and not yet about conducting elections or amending the charter. I believe I have been nothing but respectful of this list and the discussions here, the idea of debating charter amendments was brought up by contribution of members to this very list a few months ago. But instead of doing an unilateral discussion with Arsene and undermine the consensus bulding model of IGC, we wanted to hear back from our members if they consider that such thing is necessary and why. Your considerations are very important to this process too, Parminder, and if theres any new point you feel like adding to the agenda in this upcoming call or if you feel like that this should be an IGC exclusively meeting, we can all discuss that. About the Day Zero Event, I will check with @Sheetal Kumar the time allocation in order to avoid any clash as most of us here also happen to attend the JNC meetings. Back in RightsCon we avoided this clash and I think it should not be too hard this time. Best, Bruna Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 14:33, Mueller, Milton L a écrit : > What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying to > merge BB and IGC. We are trying to create a more unified civil society > presence. We don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this > group. Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need > us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have > been going through to bring things back together. I hope I don’t need to > remind people why a significant chunk of civil society broke off from IGC > to begin with - but it looks like certain actors are doing the reminding > for me. > > It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. > Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can > someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? Do some people > like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they can be a big fish > in a small pond? I hope not. > > Milton L Mueller > Professor, School of Public Policy > Georgia Institute of Technology > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > > Dear all, > > I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's > indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the > disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and > until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has > since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join > IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it > had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, > and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an > event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many > people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on > Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? > Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that > this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an > impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think > it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as > a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run > for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion > towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It > just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to > take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the > history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). > > I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person > who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election > will be given a voter account". > > So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they > couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a > time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. > > For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been > agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down > the line. Perhaps. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma > wrote: > >> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >> >> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to >> accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >> >> My 2 cents >> >> Nnenna >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >> >>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>> up, so be it. >>> >>> >>> >>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>> *Reply to: *parminder >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> zero event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>> >>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>> >>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>> it). >>> >>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>> that language . >>> >>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>> >>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>> assent tp the sentiment. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may >>> wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >>> consequence for it. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> >>> >>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruna, >>> >>> >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> >>> IGC >>> >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> >>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> >>> event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>> ensure >>> >>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>> >>> done >>> >>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>> >>> and >>> >>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>> >>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks and best regards >>> >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>> >>> > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 14:33:28 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:33:28 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I think you may forgive me if I disagree with you Milton. The original purpose stated for this discussion was your second point " We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence." One way of achieving this is to merge Bestbits with IGC. And the discussion began because both Bestbits and IGC had become more or less dormant. IGC has a long history and a powerful reputation. However both history and reputation count for nothing if there is only silence. Membership organisations need active members to define them. And membership organisations are held together by the possibility of mutual trust even where there is disagreement. In recent years governments have lost trust, the big tech companies have lost trust, are we going to be unable to find trust in one another? There is an URGENT need for a united civil society to be able to voice its concerns - even those that may be mutually incompatible - together Otherwise we will simply be crushed Or at least that's how it seems to me. Deirdre On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 13:33, Mueller, Milton L wrote: > What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying to > merge BB and IGC. We are trying to create a more unified civil society > presence. We don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this > group. Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need > us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have > been going through to bring things back together. I hope I don’t need to > remind people why a significant chunk of civil society broke off from IGC > to begin with - but it looks like certain actors are doing the reminding > for me. > > It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. > Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can > someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? Do some people > like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they can be a big fish > in a small pond? I hope not. > > Milton L Mueller > Professor, School of Public Policy > Georgia Institute of Technology > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > > Dear all, > > I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's > indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the > disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and > until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has > since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join > IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it > had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, > and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an > event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many > people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on > Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? > Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that > this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an > impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think > it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as > a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run > for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion > towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It > just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to > take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the > history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). > > I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person > who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election > will be given a voter account". > > So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they > couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a > time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. > > For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been > agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down > the line. Perhaps. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma > wrote: > >> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >> >> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to >> accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >> >> My 2 cents >> >> Nnenna >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >> >>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>> up, so be it. >>> >>> >>> >>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>> *Reply to: *parminder >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> zero event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>> >>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>> >>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>> it). >>> >>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>> that language . >>> >>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>> >>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>> assent tp the sentiment. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may >>> wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >>> consequence for it. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> >>> >>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruna, >>> >>> >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> >>> IGC >>> >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> >>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> >>> event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>> ensure >>> >>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>> >>> done >>> >>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>> >>> and >>> >>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>> >>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks and best regards >>> >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>> >>> > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Wed Jul 17 15:18:12 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:18:12 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: — inline — > On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > ... > > I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only arsene, Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering the charter requirements to be a voting member - is that legitimate ? Most decidedly not the case. Whether folks post, they are out here. Check the membership (listserve) list. They are out here. Need to be respected. Via terms of the charter. There is one. David > > > > ... > > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > a écrit : > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by those that participate in last held elections. > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by virtue of Charter. > > Get on with the elections! > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, > wrote: > What a load of rubbish! > The elections need to take place asap. > The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. > > > Get it together! > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, > wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved in such a group if she can be. > > And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > wrote: > Thanks for sharing that, Ian. > > I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an > important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim > at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that > January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we > should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big > physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes > holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be > taken by Berlin? > > If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done > this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been > doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official > position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is > still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been > leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two > individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? > > This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please > consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. > > I hope this helps. > > Regards, > Arsene > > 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >: > > Thanks for that update Arsene. > > > > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you > > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well > > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the > > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a > > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to > > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the > > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it > > forward. > > > > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. > > > > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it > > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that > > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. > > > > Ian Peter > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Arsène Tungali" > > > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > > > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com " >; "Salanieta T. > > Tamanikaiwaimaro" >; "Parminder" > > >; "governance" > > > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > > zero event and other subjects > > > >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. > >> > >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last > >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co > >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter > >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was > >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. > >> > >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. > >> > >>Regards, > >>Arsene > >> > >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >: > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we > >>> have > >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to > >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been > >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but > >>> likely > >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. > >>> > >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to > >>> join > >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to > >>> agree > >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be > >>> w/c > >>> August 5. > >>> > >>> Best > >>> Sheetal > >>> > >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > >>> > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Bruna, > >>>> > >>>> On a more substantive matter - > >>>> > >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the > >>>> IGC > >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June > >>>> 26 > >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would > >>>> get > >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? > >>>> > >>>> Ian Peter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > >>>> To: "Parminder" > > >>>> Cc: "governance" > > >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day > >>>> zero > >>>> event and other subjects > >>>> > >>>> Agree with Parminder. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> HI Bruna/ All > >>>>> > >>>>> Good morning to all! > >>>>> > >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. > >>>>> > >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan > >>>>> it... > >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please > >>>>> ensure > >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be > >>>>> done > >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main > >>>>> and > >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I > >>>>> request > >>>>> everyone's attention to. > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks and best regards > >>>>> > >>>>> parminder > >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > >>>>> List) wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear IGC members, > >>>>> > >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around > >>>>> the > >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. > >>>>> > >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon >, some of us > >>>>> convened > >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also > >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as > >>>>> the > >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list > >>>>> >. > >>>>> > >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next > >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. > >>>>> Another > >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators > >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, > >>>>> there > >>>>> is > >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as > >>>>> proper > >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join > >>>>> IGC. > >>>>> > >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar > created this > >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for > >>>>> the > >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> Best Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > >>>>> > >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > >>>>> @boomartins > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> To unsubscribe: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> List help: > > > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> To unsubscribe: > > >>>>> List help: > > >>>>> > >>>> --- > >>>> To unsubscribe: > > >>>> List help: > > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> *Sheetal Kumar* > >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > >>> DD7F > >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>------------------------ > >>**Arsène Tungali* >* > >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > >>>*, > >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >*, > >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > >>GPG: 523644A0 > >> > >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > >>< > >>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > >> > >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > >>> Member. UN IGF MAG > >>> Member > > > -- > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* >* > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > >*, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >*, > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) > GPG: 523644A0 > > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow > < > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > > > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member > > Member. UN IGF MAG > > Member > > > -- > > > Sheetal Kumar > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > -- > Bruna Martins dos Santos > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 15:28:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:28:18 -0300 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear David, Thank you very much for your reply! If at my email it sounded as if im questioning the need for elections, let me be clear: I am not against it and happen to think its past overdue. Last IGC elections were conducted in 2017 and I agree with everyone who highlighted that we should have done it already instead of allowing for one of the Co-Coordinators term to expire. But at the same time, the list was facing some other issues related to website, server and so on. So I take part of the fault for not kickstarting elections before. The concern here is the timing of it and if whether or not we are giving it a little time for new members to be able to vote. I think both sides have very good arguments and it would be great if we could discuss it more openly either here or at the call. Best, Bruna Santos Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 16:18, a écrit : > — inline — > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > ... > > I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only arsene, > Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering the charter > requirements to be a voting member - is that legitimate ? > > > Most decidedly not the case. Whether folks post, they are out here. > > Check the membership (listserve) list. They are out here. > > Need to be respected. Via terms of the charter. There is one. > > David > > > > > ... > > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > >> I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >> The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >> those that participate in last held elections. >> Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >> virtue of Charter. >> >> Get on with the elections! >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What a load of rubbish! >>> The elections need to take place asap. >>> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>> >>> >>> Get it together! >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is >>>> ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>>> involved in such a group if she can be. >>>> >>>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Sheetal. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>>> >>>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >>>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >>>>> taken by Berlin? >>>>> >>>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >>>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>>> >>>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>>> >>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>>> > >>>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >>>>> well >>>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >>>>> taking it >>>>> > forward. >>>>> > >>>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>>> > >>>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>>>> that >>>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>>> > >>>>> > Ian Peter >>>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >>>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >>>>> "Parminder" >>>>> > ; "governance" < >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>>> > >>>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>>>> charter >>>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>>> steps. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Regards, >>>>> >>Arsene >>>>> >> >>>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> >>> Dear all, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, >>>>> we >>>>> >>> have >>>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>>>> need to >>>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >>>>> been >>>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC >>>>> but >>>>> >>> likely >>>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>>>> join to >>>>> >>> join >>>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call >>>>> to >>>>> >>> agree >>>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to >>>>> be >>>>> >>> w/c >>>>> >>> August 5. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Best >>>>> >>> Sheetal >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>>> getting the >>>>> >>>> IGC >>>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >>>>> June >>>>> >>>> 26 >>>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>>>> would >>>>> >>>> get >>>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>>> Day >>>>> >>>> zero >>>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, < >>>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>>>> >>>>> it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>>> please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >>>>> can be >>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that >>>>> the main >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>>>> >>>>> request >>>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>>>> Mailing >>>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >>>>> around >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >>>>> >>>>> convened >>>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and >>>>> that also >>>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>>>> well as >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >>>>> list >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss >>>>> our next >>>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>>>> >>>>> Another >>>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>>> co-coordinators >>>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>>>> >>>>> there >>>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well >>>>> as >>>>> >>>>> proper >>>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members >>>>> to join >>>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>>> created this >>>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>>>> availability for >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> List help: >>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --- >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>> 0603 >>>>> >>> DD7F >>>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>-- >>>>> >>------------------------ >>>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>> >>*, >>>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>>> >> >>>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>>> >>< >>>>> >> >>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>>> >> Member. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Jul 17 15:29:30 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:29:30 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <5cbf8a88-c405-0beb-7278-5cbd8ca79f67@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <5cbf8a88-c405-0beb-7278-5cbd8ca79f67@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Parminder, I think your email below is out of the line and accusatory. Especially jumping to the conclusion, interpreting what Sheetal and Arsene are saying wrongly and then accusing people of self-appointing themselves to leadership roles. While it is important to pay attention to processes and not violate them and remind ourselves what processes are in place, it is quite wrong to observe the process which had started in December 2018, be quiet about it and then suddenly jump in not with constructive feedback but with accusations. I think our community has to stand up against such an accusatory and unfair attitude. You could have made your points without accusing people and by being patient, hearing them out and suggesting the right course of action. Also every time we are discussing to have a civil society meeting, you bring up the JNC meetings. We had discussions to reinvigorate the network of civil society and had planned to have a meeting before RightsCon - But you had gone ahead and scheduled JNC meeting without coordinating at all. We had to reschedule to accommodate you and we did. Again this time you believe that the civil society meeting that is going to happen on day 0 of IGF should consider not to clash with JNC instead of wanting to collaborate to make the IGC meeting happen. With Bestbits closing down and some of its members joining IGC, we will be a much stronger civil society network that can take collective action and be less fragmented. We did not benefit from the fragmentation that happened a couple of years ago, and we need to stop that from happening again. I invite you to collaborate constructively with IGC. Best regards, Farzaneh On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM parminder wrote: > So well > > Cant understand whether this is just an issue of a set of people from > another group wanting to join IGC, bec they are dissolving theirs, and > there is just this concern (the joining process otherwise being straight > forward) that they get that 2 month cooling period to be able to > participate in the IGC election (although of course cooling periods too > exist for good reason). > > Because herewe also seem being bequeathed a whole new self appointed > leadership , which, excuse me to say it, is nothing short of absolutely > stunning. > > Now this below idea, per force and naturally, occurred to me when I read > these emails earlier in the day, But I did not share it at that time out > of geniality. But I am hardly able to repress it now, having been pushed > into writing these emails now after it seems that the concerned people -- > even after many exchanges over today and earlier -- clearly have no > intention to do anything other than what they were set upon earlier and > others have been objecting to ... > > It is only in half (and not, full) jest that I quote below the wikipedia > entry for 'reverse takeover' > ;), with apologies, but > sometimes outside analogies can throw good light on a murky subject -- and > how close the analogy reads! > > A *reverse takeover* or *reverse merger takeover* (reverse IPO > ) is the > acquisition of a public company > by a private company > so that the private > company can bypass the lengthy and complex process of going public.[1] > > The transaction typically requires reorganization of capitalization of > the acquiring company.[2] > Sometimes, > conversely, the private company is bought by the public listed company > through an asset swap and share issue.[3] > > > > In a reverse takeover, shareholders of the private company purchase > control of the public shell company > and then merge it > with the private company. The publicly traded corporation is called a > "shell" since all that exists of the original company is its organizational > structure. The private company shareholders receive a substantial majority > of the shares of the public company and control of its board of directors > . The transaction can > be accomplished within weeks. > > The transaction involves the private and shell company exchanging > information on each other, negotiating the merger terms, and signing a > share exchange agreement. At the closing, the shell company issues a > substantial majority of its shares and board control to the shareholders of > the private company. The private company's shareholders pay for the shell > company by contributing their shares in the private company to the shell > company that they now control. This share exchange and change of control > completes the reverse takeover, transforming the formerly privately held > company into a publicly held company. > > > parminder > > > > > On 17/07/19 4:06 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > > Dear all, > > I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok > with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved > in such a group if she can be. > > And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >> >> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >> taken by Berlin? >> >> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >> >> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Arsene >> >> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >> > >> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well >> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it >> > forward. >> > >> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >> > >> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that >> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >> > >> > Ian Peter >> > ------ Original Message ------ >> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; "Salanieta T. >> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Parminder" >> > ; "governance" >> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> > zero event and other subjects >> > >> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >> >> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >> >> >> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >> >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Arsene >> >> >> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >> >>> Dear all, >> >>> >> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >> >>> have >> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need >> to >> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >> been >> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >> >>> likely >> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >>> >> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join >> to >> >>> join >> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >> >>> agree >> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >> >>> w/c >> >>> August 5. >> >>> >> >>> Best >> >>> Sheetal >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Bruna, >> >>>> >> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >> >>>> >> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting >> the >> >>>> IGC >> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >> June >> >>>> 26 >> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >> >>>> get >> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >> >>>> >> >>>> Ian Peter >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >>>> To: "Parminder" >> >>>> Cc: "governance" >> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> >>>> zero >> >>>> event and other subjects >> >>>> >> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Good morning to all! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >> >>>>> it... >> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >> >>>>> ensure >> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can >> be >> >>>>> done >> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >> main >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >> >>>>> request >> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> thanks and best regards >> >>>>> >> >>>>> parminder >> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >> Mailing >> >>>>> List) wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >> around >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some of us >> >>>>> convened >> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that >> also >> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well >> as >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >> >>>>> . >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our >> next >> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >> >>>>> Another >> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >> >>>>> there >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >> >>>>> proper >> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to >> join >> >>>>> IGC. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar created >> this >> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability >> for >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best Regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> >>>>> @boomartins >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> List help: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>>> List help: >> >>>>> >> >>>> --- >> >>>> To unsubscribe: >> >>>> List help: >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> >>> DD7F >> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>------------------------ >> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >>*, >> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>GPG: 523644A0 >> >> >> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>< >> >> >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >> > >> >> >> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >> Member. 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URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Wed Jul 17 16:03:52 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:03:52 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <675646CB-EC5D-40AB-8060-A701FCAA49E1@post.harvard.edu> What are the grounds – the evidence – for thinking there is some large group of BestBits adherents who have not previously also joined IGC? Indeed, the expectation is that many came from IGC, are still here. Or, also joined iGC, because was felt important to see the IGC discussions too. And these deliberations re BestBits' denouement have been gong on for months, perhaps well over half a year now. All this would tend in the direction: That there could be a few who may not have also joined IGC. But the likelihood seems that there is _unlikely_ to be a large group outstanding. One could say: See if there is some large number joining in the next, say, week. If not, when some joint BB member here alerts BB, then the matter would seem to be moot. And the charter could be honored for a change. With, decidedly, more voting than supposed earlier below. David > On Jul 17, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thank you very much for your reply! If at my email it sounded as if im questioning the need for elections, let me be clear: I am not against it and happen to think its past overdue. Last IGC elections were conducted in 2017 and I agree with everyone who highlighted that we should have done it already instead of allowing for one of the Co-Coordinators term to expire. But at the same time, the list was facing some other issues related to website, server and so on. So I take part of the fault for not kickstarting elections before. > > The concern here is the timing of it and if whether or not we are giving it a little time for new members to be able to vote. I think both sides have very good arguments and it would be great if we could discuss it more openly either here or at the call. > > Best, > Bruna Santos > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 16:18, > a écrit : > — inline — > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: >> >> ... >> >> I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only arsene, Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering the charter requirements to be a voting member - is that legitimate ? > > Most decidedly not the case. Whether folks post, they are out here. > > Check the membership (listserve) list. They are out here. > > Need to be respected. Via terms of the charter. There is one. > > David > >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Bruna Santos >> >> >> >> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > a écrit : >> I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >> The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by those that participate in last held elections. >> Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by virtue of Charter. >> >> Get on with the elections! >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, > wrote: >> What a load of rubbish! >> The elections need to take place asap. >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >> >> >> Get it together! >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, > wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved in such a group if she can be. >> >> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > wrote: >> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >> >> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >> taken by Berlin? >> >> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >> >> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Arsene >> >> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >: >> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >> > >> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well >> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it >> > forward. >> > >> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >> > >> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that >> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >> > >> > Ian Peter >> > ------ Original Message ------ >> > From: "Arsène Tungali" > >> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > >> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com " >; "Salanieta T. >> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" >; "Parminder" >> > >; "governance" > >> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> > zero event and other subjects >> > >> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >> >> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >> >> >> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >> >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Arsene >> >> >> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >: >> >>> Dear all, >> >>> >> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >> >>> have >> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >> >>> likely >> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >>> >> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to >> >>> join >> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >> >>> agree >> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >> >>> w/c >> >>> August 5. >> >>> >> >>> Best >> >>> Sheetal >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >>> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Bruna, >> >>>> >> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >> >>>> >> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >> >>>> IGC >> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June >> >>>> 26 >> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >> >>>> get >> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >> >>>> >> >>>> Ian Peter >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >> >>>> To: "Parminder" > >> >>>> Cc: "governance" > >> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >> >>>> zero >> >>>> event and other subjects >> >>>> >> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, > >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Good morning to all! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >> >>>>> it... >> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >> >>>>> ensure >> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >> >>>>> done >> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >> >>>>> request >> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> thanks and best regards >> >>>>> >> >>>>> parminder >> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >> >>>>> List) wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions around >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon >, some of us >> >>>>> convened >> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that also >> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well as >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list >> >>>>> >. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our next >> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >> >>>>> Another >> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators >> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >> >>>>> there >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as >> >>>>> proper >> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to join >> >>>>> IGC. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar > created this >> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability for >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best Regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> >>>>> @boomartins >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> List help: > > >> >>>>> >> >>>>> --- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >> >>>>> List help: > >> >>>>> >> >>>> --- >> >>>> To unsubscribe: > >> >>>> List help: > >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> >>> DD7F >> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>------------------------ >> >>**Arsène Tungali* >* >> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >>>*, >> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >*, >> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> >>GPG: 523644A0 >> >> >> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> >>< >> >>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > >> >> >> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> >>> Member. UN IGF MAG >> >>> Member >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* >* >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> >*, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >*, >> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >> GPG: 523644A0 >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >> < >> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html > >> >> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >> > Member. 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URL: From jeanette at wzb.eu Wed Jul 17 16:26:15 2019 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette hofmann) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:26:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <675646CB-EC5D-40AB-8060-A701FCAA49E1@post.harvard.edu> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <675646CB-EC5D-40AB-8060-A701FCAA49E1@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: I asked myself the same question. Is there more than a handful of people who are members of bestbits but not of the caucus? And also, whether we vote now or in a month or two, does this really matter? No issue seems trivial enough to cause yet another pointless fight on this list... jeanette Am 17.07.19 um 22:03 schrieb david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu: > What are the grounds – the evidence – for thinking there is some large > group of BestBits adherents who have not previously also joined IGC? >  Indeed, the expectation is that many came from IGC, are still here. >  Or, also joined iGC, because was felt important to see the IGC > discussions too. > > And these deliberations re BestBits' denouement have been gong on for > months, perhaps well over half a year now. > > All this would tend in the direction: That there could be a few who may > not have also joined IGC.  But the likelihood seems that there is > _unlikely_ to be a large group outstanding. > > One could say:  See if there is some large number joining in the next, > say, week.  If not, when some joint BB member here alerts BB, then the > matter would seem to be moot. > > And the charter could be honored for a change. > > With, decidedly, more voting than supposed earlier below. > > David > > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos >> > wrote: >> >> Dear David, >> >> Thank you very much for your reply! If at my email it sounded as if im >> questioning the need for elections, let me be clear: I am not against >> it and happen to think its past overdue. Last IGC elections were >> conducted in 2017 and I agree with everyone who highlighted that we >> should have done it already instead of allowing for one of the >> Co-Coordinators term to expire. But at the same time, the list was >> facing some other issues related to website, server and so on. So I >> take part of the fault for not kickstarting elections before. >> >> The concern here is the timing of it and if whether or not we are >> giving it a little time for new members to be able to vote. I think >> both sides have very good arguments and it would be great if we could >> discuss it more openly either here or at the call. >> >> Best, >> Bruna Santos >> >> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 16:18, > > a écrit : >> >> — inline — >> >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>> governance Mailing List) >> > wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>  I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only >>> arsene, Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering >>> the charter requirements to be a voting member - is that >>> legitimate ? >> >> Most decidedly not the case.  Whether folks post, they are out here. >> >> Check the membership (listserve) list.  They are out here. >> >> Need to be respected.  Via terms of the charter.  There is one. >> >> David >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ... >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Bruna Santos >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >> > a écrit : >>> >>> I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the >>> coordinators. >>> The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be >>> voted on by those that participate in last held elections. >>> Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last >>> January by virtue of Charter. >>> >>> Get on with the elections! >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> What a load of rubbish! >>> The elections need to take place asap. >>> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>> >>> >>> Get it together! >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering >>> group, if everyone is ok with that. Apart from Bruna, >>> I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved in >>> such a group if she can be. >>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so >>> far, much appreciated. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>> >>> I really don't see a point of having elections >>> now in the middle of an >>> important process that we all look forward to. I >>> think we should aim >>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the >>> latest so that >>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is >>> in November, we >>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because >>> that's the only big >>> physical gathering for most of us here for the >>> year and then comes >>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and >>> decisions?) should be >>> taken by Berlin? >>> >>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know >>> I should have done >>> this long time ago but if you have been >>> following, I have only been >>> doing my best to help out here) and will no >>> longer take an official >>> position here. I remain a member and will leave >>> it to Bruna who is >>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and >>> Sheetal who has been >>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust >>> at least the two >>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next >>> few months? >>> >>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a >>> member so please >>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a >>> member. >>> >>> I hope this helps. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Arsene >>> >>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00,ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >> >: >>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>> > >>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as >>> everything else you >>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out >>> process which will go well >>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path >>> forward, but I think in the >>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this >>> list to endorse a >>> > leadership group who will guide this process >>> forward. I would like to >>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the >>> list is happy with the >>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a >>> leadership group taking it >>> > forward. >>> > >>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>> > >>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is >>> very important that it >>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others >>> have mentioned, and that >>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and >>> endorsed. >>> > >>> > Ian Peter >>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>> >> > >>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >> > >>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> " >>> >> >; "Salanieta T. >>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >> >; >>> "Parminder" >>> > >> >; "governance" >>> >> > >>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging >>> Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> > zero event and other subjects >>> > >>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >> >>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with >>> Bruna during the last >>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time >>> to conduct co-co >>> >>elections is right after the merger step is >>> completed, the new charter >>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I >>> am sure Bruna was >>> >>planning to report this to the list at some >>> point, but here you are. >>> >> >>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call >>> and agree on next steps. >>> >> >>> >>Regards, >>> >>Arsene >>> >> >>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >>> >> >: >>> >>>  Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal >>> matter for Bestbits, we >>> >>> have >>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say >>> any IGC conversations need to >>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point >>> where the closure has been >>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on >>> Bestbits who are not on IGC but >>> >>> likely >>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> >>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from >>> Bestbits who want to join to >>> >>> join >>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator >>> elections going? The call to >>> >>> agree >>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the >>> same page is going to be >>> >>> w/c >>> >>>  August 5. >>> >>> >>> >>>  Best >>> >>>  Sheetal >>> >>> >>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at >>> 06:29,ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>>  >> > >>> >>>  wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>  Bruna, >>> >>>> >>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter - >>> >>>> >>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is >>> going as regards getting the >>> >>>>  IGC >>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last >>> January) underway? On June >>> >>>> 26 >>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be >>> talking to Arsene and would >>> >>>> get >>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >>> >>>> >>> >>>>  Ian Peter >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >> > >>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" >> > >>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" >>> >> > >>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: >>> Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> >>>> zero >>> >>>>  event and other subjects >>> >>>> >>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >> > >>> >>>>  wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Good morning to all! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their >>> internal matter. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the >>> IGC, when do you plan >>> >>>>> it... >>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch >>> on day zero, and please >>> >>>>>  ensure >>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method >>> call based discussions can be >>> >>>>>  done >>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter >>> clearly says that the main >>> >>>>>  and >>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be >>> this e-list, which I >>> >>>>> request >>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  parminder >>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos >>> Santos (via governance Mailing >>> >>>>>  List) wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has >>> been some discussions around >>> >>>>>  the >>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for >>> the past months. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon >>> >> >, some of us >>> >>>>> convened >>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society >>> Coordination and that also >>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of >>> the discussion, as well as >>> >>>>>  the >>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be >>> found at the BestBits list >>> >>>>> >>> . >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange >>> a call to discuss our next >>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the >>> IGF, later in November. >>> >>>>> Another >>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC >>> website, IGC co-coordinators >>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to >>> IGC related subjects, >>> >>>>> there >>> >>>>>  is >>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure >>> for BestBits, as well as >>> >>>>>  proper >>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the >>> possibility for members to join >>> >>>>>  IGC. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>> >> > created this >>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to >>> indicate their availability for >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>>  call:https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>>>>  >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Best Regards, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  -- >>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> >>>>>  @boomartins >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  --- >>> >>>>>  To unsubscribe: >>> >> > >>> >>>>>  >> > >>> >>>>>  List help: >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>  --- >>> >>>>>  To unsubscribe: >>> >> > >>> >>>>>  List help: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>  --- >>> >>>>  To unsubscribe: >>> >> > >>> >>>>  List help: >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>  -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>  *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>>  Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>>  Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, >>> E1 5JL >>> >>>  T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >>> >>>  PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: >>> F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> >>> DD7F >>> >>>  E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>-- >>> >>------------------------ >>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi >>> international >>> >>>> >*, >>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >>> *, >>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>> >> >>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> >>< >>> >>http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>> >> >>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> >> >>> Member. UN IGF MAG >>> >> >>> Member >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------ >>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> >> >*, >>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >>> *, >>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> >>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> < >>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> >>> >>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> Member. >>> UN IGF MAG >>> >>> Member >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ** >>> * >>> * >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 |PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D >>> 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >> > >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* >>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> @boomartins >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> */Bruna Martins dos Santos /* >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > From Jeremy at Malcolm.id.au Wed Jul 17 17:52:04 2019 From: Jeremy at Malcolm.id.au (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:52:04 -0700 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <84e0468e-963a-f740-3ea0-fbd53e487fed@itforchange.net> References: <5f578557-6767-eee5-3d0b-d1dca34283df@itforchange.net> <84e0468e-963a-f740-3ea0-fbd53e487fed@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <04fc2502-6449-95ab-edd7-84b575fa44a7@Malcolm.id.au> On 7/17/19 10:26 AM, parminder wrote: > Again > > I just read one clear issue below -- what to do with BB material. > > Clear issues, can submit to clear discussion and outcome. > > I am very fine that it is archived on a BB history page within IGC > website. Others can tell their views, and it can be closed, i expect, > rather quickly. > > Can we therefore just stick to clear issues that really need and are > are up for resolution. And do it here, on the IGC list. > There actually isn't an IGC website at the moment. I'd be happy to donate the hosting for a website, but I'm not able to offer to administer the site. -- Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i - -O - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There seems to be some objection to it on this list. I also don't know why it should happen. So lets discuss it and discard it if we don't agree. The IGC recorded online meetings are held to facilitate the discussion and receive more feedback. Because frankly having people concentrate for 90 minutes on issues can bring us to a more timely conclusion. We always send the notes to the mailing list and no final decision is taken. I don't think the charter prohibits us from holding meetings as long as we discuss the issues here on the mailing list as well and make the final decisions here. Best Farzaneh On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM parminder wrote: > Again > > I just read one clear issue below -- what to do with BB material. > > Clear issues, can submit to clear discussion and outcome. > > I am very fine that it is archived on a BB history page within IGC > website. Others can tell their views, and it can be closed, i expect, > rather quickly. > > Can we therefore just stick to clear issues that really need and are are up > for resolution. And do it here, on the IGC list. > > parminder > > > On 17/07/19 10:45 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > so from what I am hearing on this list these are the points that have been > raised: > 1. All the discussions should happen on this mailing list. ( just to > remind you that they have been indeed taking place on the mailing list. > Those who turned up for the meetings didn't make decisions. Bruna > reverted to the list and informed the group about action items to be > discussed. the discussions have not been undertaken in a small group, they > took place on this mailing list and we shared the recorded meetings on the > list as well). > 2. Charter review:No one has decided single-handedly to review the > charter. as Ian, Sala, and others rightly pointed out, we should discuss > reviewing the IGC charter and measure whether the consensus over the need > to revise it and what should be revised. Nothing has been decided yet. > Revising the charter has to follow IGC charter amendment procedure which is > in the charter. > 3. There seems to be some disagreement as to when and how we should do IGC > elections. Some don't want an interim group, some don't want an election > yet and some want an election to happen ASAP. Lets discuss this > collegially. I can create a new thread to discuss the elections. > 4. As to BestBits closure, it is true that it was Bestbits decision. > However, now that the closure is being finalized on BestBits, there were > some concerns about how to safeguard that past couple of years materials > and valuable documents that have been posted on Bestbits website. One way > would be to bring those materials to IGC website under a Bestbits history > page. This needs to be discussed with IGC members. Another would be to > archive the website and keep it. But Jeremy does not (rightly so) want to > keep administering Bestbits website and no one else is volunteering. If > someone from Bestbits wants to volunteer to preserve the documents/website > etc, then I believe we don't have to discuss it at IGC. > > > I hope this is helpful. I think our frank discussions are good but let's > also be mindful of the issues we have been facing in getting our act > together and help each other to fix them. > > > > > > Farzaneh > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55 PM parminder > wrote: > >> Bruno and Arsene >> >> I am sorry, I want to be most respectful, engaged etc, but one can say >> something only that many times, and we all have limited time. >> >> A coordinator is before all the custodian and implementer of the >> constitutional document of the concerned group/ community, here the IGc >> charter... >> >> I have now many times pointed to the fact, supported by others, that the >> IGC charter is unequivocal that this* elist is the primary workplace of >> the IGC*... But you simply do not respond to that point , for whatever >> reason. (Nor to others -- admittedly less important points, like a request >> to know when is the planned day zero meeting and asking to ensure there is >> no overlap with JNC meeting in the afternoon of that day) >> >> Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many months about >> review of IGC charter.. No one really know why, how, or such about this. >> Not one word, justification, etc have ever been advanced on this list, much >> less put that to discussion, on what the charter says as the primary >> workplace of the IGC. >> >> Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the triggers, reasons, >> justifications......!!???? Is this too much to ask... >> >> I have not followed this discussion of this small group, which shows up >> off and on, but always remains very unclear about what exactly is >> happening. But in between I read somewhere, someone talking about amending >> the charter, and another saying the charter may be saying this, the >> original person pressing for the amendment saying, ok, but where is the >> charter, I havent seen it !!!???? People want to amend the charter without >> having seen it... What is happening here. >> >> I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions have been made on >> the behalf of IGC, without following any kind of due procedure, and when >> the charter is absolutely clear as well as insistent about the due process, >> and so on, many things.... >> >> I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming a real mess, sorry... >> >> Best regards >> >> parminder >> >> >> On 17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >> List) wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ? >> >> *CS Meeting Agenda * >> >> 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC) >> 2. Charter review discussion >> 3. IGC New Website >> 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections >> 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event >> 6. AOB >> >> Is there any other subject our members wish to add ? >> >> Best, >> Bruna Santos >> >> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : >> >>> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Response is inline; >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. >>>>> This is noted. >>>>> >>>>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >>>>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you >>>>> calling coordinators incompetent? >>>>> >>>> >>>> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last >>>> year for January's elections. >>>> >>>> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind >>>> to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". >>>> >>>> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of >>>> people personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key >>>> leadership issue. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because >>>>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was >>>>> interested in elections at some point. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack >>>> of interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. >>>> >>>> And you should thank those who >>>>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the >>>>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were >>>>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves >>>>> for that. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it >>>> is the leadership that needs revival. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything >>>>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to >>>>> thank me for my service :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG >>>> activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your >>>> service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take >>>> responsibility for not calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders >>>> must be able to take responsibility. >>>> >>>> But this is not the point here as I don't >>>>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful >>>>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else >>>>> who provided help. >>>>> >>>>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! >>>> >>>> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also >>>> means having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. >>>> >>>> I look >>>>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have >>>>> voting rights, as per the charter. >>>>> >>>>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>> : >>>>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >>>>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on >>>>> by >>>>> > those that participate in last held elections. >>>>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by >>>>> virtue >>>>> > of Charter. >>>>> > >>>>> > Get on with the elections! >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> What a load of rubbish! >>>>> >> The elections need to take place asap. >>>>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Get it together! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, < >>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Dear all, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if >>>>> everyone is >>>>> >>> ok >>>>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>>>> >>> involved >>>>> >>> in such a group if she can be. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much >>>>> appreciated. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Best >>>>> >>> Sheetal. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali < >>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com> >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle >>>>> of an >>>>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should >>>>> aim >>>>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>>>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>>>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only >>>>> big >>>>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>>>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) >>>>> should be >>>>> >>>> taken by Berlin? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have >>>>> done >>>>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only >>>>> been >>>>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an >>>>> official >>>>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>>>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has >>>>> been >>>>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>>>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>>>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>>>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>: >>>>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>>>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which >>>>> will go >>>>> >>>> well >>>>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think >>>>> in the >>>>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>>>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would >>>>> like to >>>>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy >>>>> with the >>>>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group >>>>> taking >>>>> >>>> it >>>>> >>>> > forward. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important >>>>> that it >>>>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, >>>>> and >>>>> >>>> > that >>>>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > Ian Peter >>>>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" >>>>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>>>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" ; >>>>> "Salanieta T. >>>>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; >>>>> "Parminder" >>>>> >>>> > ; "governance" >>>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, >>>>> IGF Day >>>>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during >>>>> the last >>>>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>>>> >>>> >> charter >>>>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you >>>>> are. >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>>> >>>> >> steps. >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>Regards, >>>>> >>>> >>Arsene >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>: >>>>> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for >>>>> Bestbits, >>>>> >>>> >>> we >>>>> >>>> >>> have >>>>> >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC >>>>> conversations >>>>> >>>> need to >>>>> >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the >>>>> closure has >>>>> >>>> been >>>>> >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on >>>>> IGC >>>>> >>>> >>> but >>>>> >>>> >>> likely >>>>> >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want >>>>> to >>>>> >>>> >>> join >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> >>>> >>> join >>>>> >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The >>>>> call >>>>> >>>> >>> to >>>>> >>>> >>> agree >>>>> >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is >>>>> going to >>>>> >>>> >>> be >>>>> >>>> >>> w/c >>>>> >>>> >>> August 5. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> Best >>>>> >>>> >>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>>>> >>>> >>>> getting >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>> >>>> IGC >>>>> >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) >>>>> underway? On >>>>> >>>> June >>>>> >>>> >>>> 26 >>>>> >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene >>>>> and >>>>> >>>> >>>> would >>>>> >>>> >>>> get >>>>> >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits >>>>> in, IGF >>>>> >>>> Day >>>>> >>>> >>>> zero >>>>> >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do >>>>> you plan >>>>> >>>> >>>>> it... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>>>> >>>> >>>>> please >>>>> >>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based >>>>> discussions >>>>> >>>> >>>>> can >>>>> >>>> be >>>>> >>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says >>>>> that the >>>>> >>>> main >>>>> >>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, >>>>> which I >>>>> >>>> >>>>> request >>>>> >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>>> governance >>>>> >>>> Mailing >>>>> >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some >>>>> discussions >>>>> >>>> around >>>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon , some >>>>> of us >>>>> >>>> >>>>> convened >>>>> >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination >>>>> and that >>>>> >>>> also >>>>> >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, >>>>> as >>>>> >>>> well as >>>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the >>>>> BestBits >>>>> >>>> >>>>> list >>>>> >>>> >>>>> < >>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to >>>>> discuss our >>>>> >>>> next >>>>> >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in >>>>> November. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Another >>>>> >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>>>> >>>> co-coordinators >>>>> >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related >>>>> subjects, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> there >>>>> >>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as >>>>> well >>>>> >>>> >>>>> as >>>>> >>>> >>>>> proper >>>>> >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for >>>>> members to >>>>> >>>> join >>>>> >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar >>>>> created >>>>> >>>> this >>>>> >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their >>>>> availability >>>>> >>>> for >>>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>>> >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: < >>>>> https://riseup.net/lists> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>> >>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>> >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>> >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>> >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>> >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B >>>>> E9E2 >>>>> >>>> 0603 >>>>> >>>> >>> DD7F >>>>> >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>-- >>>>> >>>> >>------------------------ >>>>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* * >>>>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>> >>>> >>*, >>>>> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, >>>>> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>>>> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>>>> >>>> >>< >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>>>> >>>> >> Member. 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UN IGF MAG >>>>> Member >>>>> >>>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Thu Jul 18 02:43:01 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 02:43:01 -0400 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <5f578557-6767-eee5-3d0b-d1dca34283df@itforchange.net> <84e0468e-963a-f740-3ea0-fbd53e487fed@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <8CBBE6EF-B9DF-4FA1-9328-DDDA42FFA8E0@post.harvard.edu> We could wait an indefinite period of time, for folks to join … which could go on indefinitely. Pretty clearly, the question is whether there are a material number who haven’t yet decided. As noted, the logic suggests likely not. That would suggest that it is time to set a time and proceed. Unless there is clear evidence otherwise. David > On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:39 PM, farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > if Arsene wants to propose that we delay the elections until Bestbits members join us, then we can discuss that proposal. No decision has been made. There seems to be some objection to it on this list. I also don't know why it should happen. So lets discuss it and discard it if we don't agree. > > The IGC recorded online meetings are held to facilitate the discussion and receive more feedback. Because frankly having people concentrate for 90 minutes on issues can bring us to a more timely conclusion. We always send the notes to the mailing list and no final decision is taken. I don't think the charter prohibits us from holding meetings as long as we discuss the issues here on the mailing list as well and make the final decisions here. > > > > Best > > Farzaneh > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM parminder > wrote: > Again > > I just read one clear issue below -- what to do with BB material. > > Clear issues, can submit to clear discussion and outcome. > > I am very fine that it is archived on a BB history page within IGC website. Others can tell their views, and it can be closed, i expect, rather quickly. > > Can we therefore just stick to clear issues that really need and are are up for resolution. And do it here, on the IGC list. > > parminder > > > > On 17/07/19 10:45 PM, farzaneh badii wrote: >> Hi everybody, >> >> so from what I am hearing on this list these are the points that have been raised: >> 1. All the discussions should happen on this mailing list. ( just to remind you that they have been indeed taking place on the mailing list. Those who turned up for the meetings didn't make decisions. Bruna reverted to the list and informed the group about action items to be discussed. the discussions have not been undertaken in a small group, they took place on this mailing list and we shared the recorded meetings on the list as well). >> 2. Charter review:No one has decided single-handedly to review the charter. as Ian, Sala, and others rightly pointed out, we should discuss reviewing the IGC charter and measure whether the consensus over the need to revise it and what should be revised. Nothing has been decided yet. Revising the charter has to follow IGC charter amendment procedure which is in the charter. >> 3. There seems to be some disagreement as to when and how we should do IGC elections. Some don't want an interim group, some don't want an election yet and some want an election to happen ASAP. Lets discuss this collegially. I can create a new thread to discuss the elections. >> 4. As to BestBits closure, it is true that it was Bestbits decision. However, now that the closure is being finalized on BestBits, there were some concerns about how to safeguard that past couple of years materials and valuable documents that have been posted on Bestbits website. One way would be to bring those materials to IGC website under a Bestbits history page. This needs to be discussed with IGC members. Another would be to archive the website and keep it. But Jeremy does not (rightly so) want to keep administering Bestbits website and no one else is volunteering. If someone from Bestbits wants to volunteer to preserve the documents/website etc, then I believe we don't have to discuss it at IGC. >> >> >> I hope this is helpful. I think our frank discussions are good but let's also be mindful of the issues we have been facing in getting our act together and help each other to fix them. >> >> >> >> >> >> Farzaneh >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55 PM parminder > wrote: >> Bruno and Arsene >> >> I am sorry, I want to be most respectful, engaged etc, but one can say something only that many times, and we all have limited time. >> >> A coordinator is before all the custodian and implementer of the constitutional document of the concerned group/ community, here the IGc charter... >> >> I have now many times pointed to the fact, supported by others, that the IGC charter is unequivocal that this elist is the primary workplace of the IGC... But you simply do not respond to that point , for whatever reason. (Nor to others -- admittedly less important points, like a request to know when is the planned day zero meeting and asking to ensure there is no overlap with JNC meeting in the afternoon of that day) >> >> Now, it seems that some discussion is happening for many months about review of IGC charter.. No one really know why, how, or such about this. Not one word, justification, etc have ever been advanced on this list, much less put that to discussion, on what the charter says as the primary workplace of the IGC. >> >> Who is proposing such amendment, and why? What are the triggers, reasons, justifications......!!???? Is this too much to ask... >> >> I have not followed this discussion of this small group, which shows up off and on, but always remains very unclear about what exactly is happening. But in between I read somewhere, someone talking about amending the charter, and another saying the charter may be saying this, the original person pressing for the amendment saying, ok, but where is the charter, I havent seen it !!!???? People want to amend the charter without having seen it... What is happening here. >> >> I do not want to bring up issues about how submissions have been made on the behalf of IGC, without following any kind of due procedure, and when the charter is absolutely clear as well as insistent about the due process, and so on, many things.... >> >> I was trying to stay off, but this is becoming a real mess, sorry... >> >> Best regards >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> On 17/07/19 7:39 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Can we agree on the proposed agenda for the upcoming call ? >>> >>> CS Meeting Agenda >>> >>> 1. Onboarding new IGC Members (Bestbits members who are opting into IGC) >>> 2. Charter review discussion >>> 3. IGC New Website >>> 4. IGC Co-Coordinator Elections >>> 5. IGF 2019 Day Zero event >>> 6. AOB >>> >>> Is there any other subject our members wish to add ? >>> >>> Best, >>> Bruna Santos >>> >>> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 10:32, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > a écrit : >>> I forgot to add failing to deliver the website on time. >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:22 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, > wrote: >>> Response is inline; >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 2:15 pm Arsène Tungali, > wrote: >>> It is noted that you don't want to apologize and it is your right. >>> This is noted. >>> >>> And you don't have to call people "incompetent" with no >>> details/explanation to substantiate your claim. On what basis are you >>> calling coordinators incompetent? >>> >>> 1)Pending elections and not calling for nominees from November last year for January's elections. >>> >>> 2)Not driving a call for strategic engagement and waiting for the wind to blow the IGC in any direction. I will use Milton's term for "rudderless". >>> >>> I will underscore that the criticism is on the inaction and not of people personally. This is not a personal attack but addressing a key leadership issue. >>> >>> It is okay to say now that Arsene is term ended since January because >>> there are activities on the list, but it was obvious that no one was >>> interested in elections at some point. >>> >>> Again, this is rubbish. A call for elections is void of people's lack of interest. There was no call put out last November, 2018. >>> >>> And you should thank those who >>> have helped revive the discussion because those here who recall the >>> history, we have gone through a lot of issues and if elections were >>> called at that time, close to no one would have nominated themselves >>> for that. >>> >>> The IGC was never dead. Its members are movers and shakers globally, it is the leadership that needs revival. >>> >>> Only God knows how many times I called for help here when everything >>> was almost dying, I think at some point this community will have to >>> thank me for my service :) >>> >>> Again hogwash. You were always putting emails notifying of MAG activities not engaged in core leadership. Whilst I thank you for your service, you do us all a tremendous disservice when you do not take responsibility for not calling elections. This is not acceptable. Leaders must be able to take responsibility. >>> >>> But this is not the point here as I don't >>> always seek for praises whenever I am doing some work. I am thankful >>> to Bruna for her support since the day she joined and everyone else >>> who provided help. >>> >>> The future looks great now, let's work to make things happen! >>> The future is always great! Yes we should work together but it also means having Frank and open and honest conversations so we can move forward. >>> >>> I look >>> forward to having BestBits members join and be allowed time to have >>> voting rights, as per the charter. >>> >>> Please digest what Parminder raised on this matter and scores more. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Arsene >>> >>> >>> 2019-07-17 14:20 UTC+02:00, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> >: >>> > I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators. >>> > The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by >>> > those that participate in last held elections. >>> > Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by virtue >>> > of Charter. >>> > >>> > Get on with the elections! >>> > >>> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > wrote: >>> > >>> >> What a load of rubbish! >>> >> The elections need to take place asap. >>> >> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Get it together! >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is >>> >>> ok >>> >>> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is >>> >>> involved >>> >>> in such a group if she can be. >>> >>> >>> >>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali > >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an >>> >>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim >>> >>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that >>> >>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we >>> >>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big >>> >>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes >>> >>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be >>> >>>> taken by Berlin? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done >>> >>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been >>> >>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official >>> >>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is >>> >>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been >>> >>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two >>> >>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please >>> >>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I hope this helps. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>> >>>> Arsene >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> >>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com >: >>> >>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you >>> >>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go >>> >>>> well >>> >>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the >>> >>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a >>> >>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to >>> >>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the >>> >>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking >>> >>>> it >>> >>>> > forward. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it >>> >>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and >>> >>>> > that >>> >>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Ian Peter >>> >>>> > ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" > >>> >>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > >>> >>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com " >; "Salanieta T. >>> >>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" >; "Parminder" >>> >>>> > >; "governance" >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM >>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> >>>> > zero event and other subjects >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new >>> >>>> >> charter >>> >>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>> >>>> >> steps. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>Regards, >>> >>>> >>Arsene >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >: >>> >>>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, >>> >>>> >>> we >>> >>>> >>> have >>> >>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations >>> >>>> need to >>> >>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has >>> >>>> been >>> >>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC >>> >>>> >>> but >>> >>>> >>> likely >>> >>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to >>> >>>> >>> join >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> >>> join >>> >>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call >>> >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> >>> agree >>> >>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to >>> >>>> >>> be >>> >>>> >>> w/c >>> >>>> >>> August 5. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> Best >>> >>>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>>> >>> > >>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards >>> >>>> >>>> getting >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> >>>> IGC >>> >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On >>> >>>> June >>> >>>> >>>> 26 >>> >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and >>> >>>> >>>> would >>> >>>> >>>> get >>> >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" > >>> >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" > >>> >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>> >>>> Day >>> >>>> >>>> zero >>> >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan >>> >>>> >>>>> it... >>> >>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and >>> >>>> >>>>> please >>> >>>> >>>>> ensure >>> >>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions >>> >>>> >>>>> can >>> >>>> be >>> >>>> >>>>> done >>> >>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the >>> >>>> main >>> >>>> >>>>> and >>> >>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I >>> >>>> >>>>> request >>> >>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> parminder >>> >>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance >>> >>>> Mailing >>> >>>> >>>>> List) wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members, >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions >>> >>>> around >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon >, some of us >>> >>>> >>>>> convened >>> >>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that >>> >>>> also >>> >>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as >>> >>>> well as >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits >>> >>>> >>>>> list >>> >>>> >>>>> >. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our >>> >>>> next >>> >>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November. >>> >>>> >>>>> Another >>> >>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC >>> >>>> co-coordinators >>> >>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects, >>> >>>> >>>>> there >>> >>>> >>>>> is >>> >>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well >>> >>>> >>>>> as >>> >>>> >>>>> proper >>> >>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to >>> >>>> join >>> >>>> >>>>> IGC. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar > created >>> >>>> this >>> >>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability >>> >>>> for >>> >>>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> >>>>> call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 >>> >>>> >>>>> > >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> >>>> >>>>> @boomartins >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >>> >>>> >>>>> > >>> >>>> >>>>> List help: > > >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> --- >>> >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe: > >>> >>>> >>>>> List help: > >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> --- >>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe: > >>> >>>> >>>> List help: > >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> >>>> >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>> >>>> 0603 >>> >>>> >>> DD7F >>> >>>> >>> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>-- >>> >>>> >>------------------------ >>> >>>> >>**Arsène Tungali* >* >>> >>>> >>Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> >>>> >>>*, >>> >>>> >>CEO,* Smart Services Sarl >*, >>> >>>> >>Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) >>> >>>> >>GPG: 523644A0 >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>2015 Mandela Washington Fellow >>> >>>> >>< >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >>(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member >>> >>>> >>> Member. 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URL: From milton at gatech.edu Thu Jul 18 03:15:22 2019 From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:15:22 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Deirdre It’s amazing that you would see what you say below as disagreement with what I said. I don’t see any disagreement with me here. I am saying exactly the same thing. The essence of what I said was repeated by you: > There is an URGENT need for a united civil society to be able to > voice its concerns - even those that may be mutually incompatible - together That means we need to merge BB and IGC and we need to stop fussing over procedural issues and getting paranoid about “reverse takeovers.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Jul 18 04:35:04 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:05:04 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: > What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact > trying to merge BB and IGC. Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going  in so many circles about it? Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been stated. 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC  need to observe, see and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them somewhere on it, no problem. What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. > We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We > don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? > Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. > It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have > been going through to bring things back together. What process is being disregarded, the one about  which yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >  I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil > society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain > actors are doing the reminding for me.  Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, please do remind us. (Btw,  I was among the founding members of BB, and I remember you werent around that much in those discussions).  In fact any coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. > > It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can > vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing > that? Can someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one read into it. > Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they > can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private pond. I hope not. parminder > > Milton L Mueller > Professor, School of Public Policy > Georgia Institute of Technology > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. >> It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand >> is the disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, >> about a large and until recently active splinter group of IGC >> (namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and its members >> who are not already part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a >> mailing list, it had an active membership, it had a functioning >> website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, and more. It >> also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event >> before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC >> elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the >> point remains that this has been a discussion for a few months that >> should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They >> don't have to, but I think it makes sense for them to considering the >> history of IGC and Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm >> not saying this because I want to run for any elections necessarily, >> I've only ever been interested a discussion towards a more impactful >> and coordinated civil society in this space. It just seems to make >> sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions >> with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the history >> of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >> >> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each >> person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before >> the election will be given a voter account". >> >> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there >> is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >> >> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not >> been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, >> further down the line. Perhaps. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >> > wrote: >> >> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. >> Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >> >> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a >> click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >> >> My 2 cents >> >> Nnenna >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian >> > wrote: >> >> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits is >> to be wound up, so be it. >> >>   >> >> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the >> IGC please subscribe to the list and do so. >> >>   >> >>   >> >> *From: *> > on behalf of >> parminder > > >> *Reply to: *parminder > > >> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >> *To: *Arsène Tungali > >, Sheetal Kumar >> > >> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> " > >, "Salanieta T. >> Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >, governance >> > > >> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits >> in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >> >>   >> >> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >> >> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >> >>   >> >> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >> >> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >> >> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >> >> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >> >> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >> >> Arsene >> >> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >> >> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and >> it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to >> take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all >> civil society members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than >> insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). >> >> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people >> loosely use that language . >> >> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC >> charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly >> are you talking about. >> >> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about >> how this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and >> also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. >> >>   >> >> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >> >> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you >> have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, >> and would have no meaning or consequence for it. >> >> regards >> >> parminder >> >>   >> >>   >> >> Regards, >> >> Arsene >> >>   >> >> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >> >> Dear all, >> >>   >> >> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >> >> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >> >> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >> >> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >> >> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >> >>   >> >> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >> >> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >> >> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >> >> August 5. >> >>   >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal >> >>   >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >>   >> >> Bruna, >> >>   >> >> On a more substantive matter - >> >>   >> >> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >> >> IGC >> >> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >> >> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >> >> back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >> >>   >> >> Ian Peter >> >>   >> >>   >> >>   >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >> To: "Parminder" >> >> Cc: "governance" >> >> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >> >> event and other subjects >> >>   >> >> Agree with Parminder. >> >>   >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >> >> wrote: >> >>   >> >> HI Bruna/ All >> >>   >> >> Good morning to all! >> >>   >> >> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >> >>   >> >> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >> >> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >> >> ensure >> >> that these do not clash. Thanks. >> >>   >> >> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >> >> done >> >> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >> >> and >> >> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >> >> everyone's attention to. >> >>   >> >> thanks and best regards >> >>   >> >> parminder >> >> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >> >> >> * >> * >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Jul 18 06:45:25 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:15:25 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <910970f5-6795-ecaf-ac0a-16e5701a878f@itforchange.net> Dear Sheetal/ All Some clarifications I knew there was a conversation taking place among BestBits members. IT for Change has been a founding member of BB but latter withdraw form this designation (for reasons I am ready to share if needed) and continued as ordinary participants. I deliberately stayed out of the BB conversation on shutting shop, joining IGC, what thereupon, and so on. I wanted those more closely involved to decide. At some times there were conversations/ call that involved some IGC members as well, especially IGC co-ordinators... I was unclear about what this meant, but they appeared harmless, possibly involving clarifications about joining IGC (for those, likely few, BB members who were not already in the IGC). I watched it out of the corner of my eye, expecting that anything really important requiring IGC membership's attention will specifically be brought to our notice by co-coordinators. Since nothing really much ever was, I felt things were going fine. Even when I felt things were less clear then they could be, I did not step in becuase I did not want in any way to muddy waters if BB people wanted it to fold it up into the IGC. They were indeed welcome to do it. Going further, I can even well understand and appreciate that, following such a deliberate step, it is quite possible that some of these new (or old ones from BB) members of IGC would, in time, like to get something moving within the IGC. That would be a legitimate aspiration, of any member of IGC, or a group of them. Now, all this is quite well. But I could not stop myself when I read that report from Arsene from their ICANN meeting, about elections being held after charter amendment, combined lists of IGC and BB, and so on, and also when no one else, either Bruno, or any other member of the 'calls group' said anything to the contradict Arsene's report. Do you think it was misplaced for me to speak up at this stage ? (why I did not speak earlier is already clarified above). Is it wrong to ask questions like; who is asking for charter amendment, why, what are the key objectives, what exactly has been found amiss with the existing charter, and so on? Do not the concerned people have a responsibility to respond to this? I'd call them the 'calls group' because it is unclear which part was BB process, and which some kind of combined process, and the latter with what IGC authorisation, etc... And is it wrong to jump up when there was this entirely gratuitous offer made of self-appointment to a 'leadership group', and then also including along a colleague (from the same 'calls group', which tentative term has no pejorative sense here -- i just use it bec I am -- and many others are -- unclear whether it was an internal BB process, and if not what process really it was ) . What leadership group of IGC!? What process is/ was that??? Do we still just sit back and not comment and question? regards Parminder On 18/07/19 3:13 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > Dear Parminder, all, > > As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing > Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC > to join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The > information has been continually shared on both this list/among this > community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to > reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. > That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to > communicate better.  > > There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, > and what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part > of the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not > misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's > worth identifying what we agree on and then work through what we > disagree on. > > /If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it > out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we > going  in so many circles about it?/ > > // > > /What process is being disregarded, the one about  which yesterday > Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after > (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, > who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, > and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is > a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually > take its membership with an explicit individual-based process, there > is no merging or combining lists here) ./ > > All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including > by active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been > how to reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those > taking part in these discussions which have been open to everyone from > the start (there is a whole archive of the discussions that have been > continually shared on here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad > here ), that the > existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should > close. As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my > opinion), this could not simply be a matter of closing the list and > telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't > already members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was more than a list > too. Instead, we had conversations about it, that lasted months. Some > people even wanted to create a new group. We decided not to. Among > some suggestions that came out of these conversations was the > opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC members were part > of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was decided or > agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to happen. > Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve all > members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise > are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There > are no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the > Charter. Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed > leadership from what I can see, just people trying to steer things > towards more unity and less fracture. > > /Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one > really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this > certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are > saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  would be so very > illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for voting > stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when it needs > just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and > I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is > much more than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one read into it. > / > > It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the > discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to > decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society > coordination. There were other proposals like I said, including > setting up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement > to close Bestbits and not create a new list or do something else. IGC > is more than a list, sure, but because leadership is I guess key to > reinvigorating things, elections are seen as a way to start. > > Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not > on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My > reasoning is that even if one or two of those people join and have the > energy and commitment to run for elections and coordinate going > forward, we should wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? > David and Jeanette have pointed out that we could wait for an > indefinite period of time and it would just be a for a handful of > people to join. That is true, so we could undertake an exercise > comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to them directly. > Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August 05 (I will > send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then for the > closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. And > then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new > members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) > we can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 > months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, > including the handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. > Also, we can discuss the day 0 event together. If we don't do the > closure properly then we risk relevant and interested people losing > out on the opportunity to discuss these things. > > So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of > Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an > agenda, and have a conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? > > Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X.  > > Best > > Sheetal > > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder > wrote: > > > On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact >> trying to merge BB and IGC. > > Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is > no merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if > conditions are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. > > If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state > it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why > are we going  in so many circles about it? > > Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been > stated. > > 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members > can go through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be > done, and there has been no major opposition to it (Although, > frankly, if you ask me, I really do not understand why this hurry > and absolute insistence on voting right away . That should not be > such a big thing. Cooling periods are there for a reason. People > who havent ever been on the IGC  need to observe, see and know and > mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for their > choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is > the plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) > > 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much > problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can > put them somewhere on it, no problem. > > What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us > clearly, rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. > >> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We >> don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. > > Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people > -- other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? > > >> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they >> need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the >> process we have been going through to bring things back together. > > What process is being disregarded, the one about  which yesterday > Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held > after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what > is this, who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what > justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), > and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, > one has to individually take its membership with an explicit > individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists > here) . > > >>  I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of >> civil society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks >> like certain actors are doing the reminding for me.  > > Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational > abyss, please do remind us. (Btw,  I was among the founding > members of BB, and I remember you werent around that much in those > discussions).  In fact any coming back of BB member to IGC -- if > you really think so --should perhaps be helped by visiting the > original conditions of why they went away and so on... We are > capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be afraid. > Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And > then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were > able to achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, > why, and what are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back > to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker and lost now than when > they left it. > >> >> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers >> can vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by >> doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold >> elections? > > Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one > really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this > certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal > are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  would be > so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for > voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when > it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me > wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator > election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? > What does one read into it. > >> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where >> they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. > > (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their > private pond. I hope not. > > > parminder > >> >> Milton L Mueller >> Professor, School of Public Policy >> Georgia Institute of Technology >> >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar > > wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the >>> Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I >>> don't understand is the disregard for a process that has been >>> ongoing for months, about a large and until recently active >>> splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed >>> to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active >>> membership, it had a functioning website, it had a steering >>> group, it used to coordinate, and more. It also had its own >>> membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event before the >>> global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many people who >>> have been part of that discussion or at least following on >>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC >>> elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', >>> the point remains that this has been a discussion for a few >>> months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the IGC >>> elections. They don't have to, but I think it makes sense for >>> them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as a >>> splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want >>> to run for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been >>> interested a discussion towards a more impactful and coordinated >>> civil society in this space. It just seems to make sense not to >>> disregard that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with >>> the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the history >>> of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>> >>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each >>> person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months >>> before the election will be given a voter account". >>> >>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then >>> they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? >>> If there is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good >>> to discuss. >>> >>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its >>> not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to >>> discuss, further down the line. Perhaps. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. >>> Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >>> >>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only >>> takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the >>> mailing list. >>> >>> My 2 cents >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits >>> is to be wound up, so be it. >>> >>>   >>> >>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in >>> the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so. >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>> *From: *>> > on behalf >>> of parminder >> > >>> *Reply to: *parminder >> > >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>> *To: *Arsène Tungali >> >, Sheetal Kumar >>> > >>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> " >> >, "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >, >>> governance >> > >>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging >>> Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >>> >>>   >>> >>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>> >>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>>   >>> >>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>> >>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, >>> and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in >>> IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do >>> welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated >>> reasons, to modify it). >>> >>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if >>> people loosely use that language . >>> >>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new >>> IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! >>> What exactly are you talking about. >>> >>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an >>> IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear >>> email about how this elist is the primary work place for >>> the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the >>> sentiment. >>> >>>   >>> >>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps >>> you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's >>> procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> parminder >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>>   >>> >>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>>   >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>>   >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>>   >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>>   >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>   >>> >>> Bruna, >>> >>>   >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>>   >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> >>> IGC >>> >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> >>> back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >>> >>>   >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> >>> event and other subjects >>> >>>   >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>>   >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>   >>> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>>   >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>>   >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>>   >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>> ensure >>> >>> that these do not clash. 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URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Thu Jul 18 07:28:57 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 12:28:57 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <910970f5-6795-ecaf-ac0a-16e5701a878f@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> <910970f5-6795-ecaf-ac0a-16e5701a878f@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear Parminder, Thanks for the clarifications and explanations of why you hadn't been directly involved in the conversations earlier, which definitely helps me understand better. I don't think it's wrong to ask the questions you asked, and I hope that my email helped clarify that there is no attempt to skirt around process and do things in an illegitimate fashion. The suggestion of a 'leadership group' I thought was just a suggested way of, ironically, introducing some clarity and legitimacy to an informal voluntary steering process underway. I appreciate its been a messy and unclear process at times but hopefully we can move forward with the trust that no one is trying to drive things away from clear and transparent processes and the Charter. As for the day zero event, I'll get in touch with the IGF Secretariat to find out if anything can be done! Best On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 11:45, parminder wrote: > Dear Sheetal/ All > > Some clarifications > > I knew there was a conversation taking place among BestBits members. IT > for Change has been a founding member of BB but latter withdraw form this > designation (for reasons I am ready to share if needed) and continued as > ordinary participants. I deliberately stayed out of the BB conversation on > shutting shop, joining IGC, what thereupon, and so on. I wanted those more > closely involved to decide. > > At some times there were conversations/ call that involved some IGC > members as well, especially IGC co-ordinators... I was unclear about what > this meant, but they appeared harmless, possibly involving clarifications > about joining IGC (for those, likely few, BB members who were not already > in the IGC). I watched it out of the corner of my eye, expecting that > anything really important requiring IGC membership's attention will > specifically be brought to our notice by co-coordinators. Since nothing > really much ever was, I felt things were going fine. > > Even when I felt things were less clear then they could be, I did not step > in becuase I did not want in any way to muddy waters if BB people wanted it > to fold it up into the IGC. They were indeed welcome to do it. > > Going further, I can even well understand and appreciate that, following > such a deliberate step, it is quite possible that some of these new (or old > ones from BB) members of IGC would, in time, like to get something moving > within the IGC. That would be a legitimate aspiration, of any member of > IGC, or a group of them. > > Now, all this is quite well. But I could not stop myself when I read that > report from Arsene from their ICANN meeting, about elections being held > after charter amendment, combined lists of IGC and BB, and so on, and also > when no one else, either Bruno, or any other member of the 'calls group' > said anything to the contradict Arsene's report. Do you think it was > misplaced for me to speak up at this stage ? (why I did not speak earlier > is already clarified above). > > Is it wrong to ask questions like; who is asking for charter amendment, > why, what are the key objectives, what exactly has been found amiss with > the existing charter, and so on? Do not the concerned people have a > responsibility to respond to this? I'd call them the 'calls group' > because it is unclear which part was BB process, and which some kind of > combined process, and the latter with what IGC authorisation, etc... > > And is it wrong to jump up when there was this entirely gratuitous offer > made of self-appointment to a 'leadership group', and then also including > along a colleague (from the same 'calls group', which tentative term has no > pejorative sense here -- i just use it bec I am -- and many others are -- > unclear whether it was an internal BB process, and if not what process > really it was ) . What leadership group of IGC!? What process is/ was > that??? Do we still just sit back and not comment and question? > > regards > > Parminder > > > On 18/07/19 3:13 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > > Dear Parminder, all, > > As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing > Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to > join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The > information has been continually shared on both this list/among this > community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to > reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. > That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to > communicate better. > > There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and > what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the > relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not > misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth > identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. > > * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out > here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in > so many circles about it?* > > *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene > reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC > charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this > demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people > simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC > is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit > individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* > > All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by > active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to > reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part > in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there > is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on > here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here > ), that the > existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. > As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this > could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to > move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned > before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations > about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new > group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these > conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC > members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was > decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to > happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve > all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise > are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are > no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. > Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what > I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less > fracture. > > > * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really > is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot > be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for > more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just > the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it > over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it > does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the > coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? > What does one read into it. * > > It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the > discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide > to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. > There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. > So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not > create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but > because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are > seen as a way to start. > > Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on > IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is > that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and > commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should > wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have > pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it > would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could > undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to > them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August > 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then > for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. > And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new > members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we > can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. > Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the > handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss > the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk > relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss > these things. > > So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits > who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a > conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? > > Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. > > Best > > Sheetal > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder wrote: > >> >> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> >> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >> to merge BB and IGC. >> >> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >> >> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out >> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in >> so many circles about it? >> >> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been stated. >> >> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there >> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there >> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see >> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >> >> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much problem >> with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them somewhere >> on it, no problem. >> >> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >> >> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >> >> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >> >> >> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. It >> is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >> going through to bring things back together. >> >> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >> >> >> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors >> are doing the reminding for me. >> >> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I >> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps >> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so >> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are >> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly >> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >> >> >> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. >> Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >> >> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really is >> insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot be >> the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more >> than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >> What does one read into it. >> >> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >> >> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >> pond. I hope not. >> >> >> parminder >> >> >> Milton L Mueller >> Professor, School of Public Policy >> Georgia Institute of Technology >> >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and >> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it >> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that >> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think >> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as >> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to >> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >> >> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election >> will be given a voter account". >> >> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >> >> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been >> agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down >> the line. Perhaps. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>> >>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>> >>> My 2 cents >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>>> up, so be it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>> zero event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>> >>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>> >>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>> >>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>> >>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>>> it). >>>> >>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>>> that language . >>>> >>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>> >>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>> >>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>> >>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>> >>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>> >>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>> >>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>> >>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>> >>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>> >>>> August 5. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>> >>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>> >>>> ensure >>>> >>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>> >>>> done >>>> >>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>> >>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>> >>>> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > > >> List help: >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Jul 18 07:13:16 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:43:16 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <23b87f7d-f764-149d-8e8a-3d16a9293793@itforchange.net> On 18/07/19 3:13 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > snnip > > Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. > Unfortunately, JNC event is planned 1400-1800 hrs.. Is it possible to ask the CS event to be done 1200-1400 or something, if possible, so that all of us can attend it? thanks, parminder > Best > > Sheetal > > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder > wrote: > > > On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact >> trying to merge BB and IGC. > > Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is > no merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if > conditions are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. > > If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state > it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why > are we going  in so many circles about it? > > Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been > stated. > > 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members > can go through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be > done, and there has been no major opposition to it (Although, > frankly, if you ask me, I really do not understand why this hurry > and absolute insistence on voting right away . That should not be > such a big thing. Cooling periods are there for a reason. People > who havent ever been on the IGC  need to observe, see and know and > mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for their > choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is > the plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) > > 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much > problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can > put them somewhere on it, no problem. > > What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us > clearly, rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. > >> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We >> don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. > > Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people > -- other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? > > >> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they >> need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the >> process we have been going through to bring things back together. > > What process is being disregarded, the one about  which yesterday > Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held > after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what > is this, who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what > justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), > and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, > one has to individually take its membership with an explicit > individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists > here) . > > >>  I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of >> civil society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks >> like certain actors are doing the reminding for me.  > > Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational > abyss, please do remind us. (Btw,  I was among the founding > members of BB, and I remember you werent around that much in those > discussions).  In fact any coming back of BB member to IGC -- if > you really think so --should perhaps be helped by visiting the > original conditions of why they went away and so on... We are > capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be afraid. > Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And > then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were > able to achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, > why, and what are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back > to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker and lost now than when > they left it. > >> >> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers >> can vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by >> doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold >> elections? > > Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one > really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this > certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal > are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  would be > so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for > voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when > it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me > wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator > election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? > What does one read into it. > >> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where >> they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. > > (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their > private pond. I hope not. > > > parminder > >> >> Milton L Mueller >> Professor, School of Public Policy >> Georgia Institute of Technology >> >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar > > wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the >>> Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I >>> don't understand is the disregard for a process that has been >>> ongoing for months, about a large and until recently active >>> splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed >>> to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active >>> membership, it had a functioning website, it had a steering >>> group, it used to coordinate, and more. It also had its own >>> membership of the CSCG and used to convene an event before the >>> global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many people who >>> have been part of that discussion or at least following on >>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC >>> elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', >>> the point remains that this has been a discussion for a few >>> months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the IGC >>> elections. They don't have to, but I think it makes sense for >>> them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as a >>> splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want >>> to run for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been >>> interested a discussion towards a more impactful and coordinated >>> civil society in this space. It just seems to make sense not to >>> disregard that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with >>> the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the history >>> of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>> >>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each >>> person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months >>> before the election will be given a voter account". >>> >>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then >>> they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? >>> If there is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good >>> to discuss. >>> >>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its >>> not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to >>> discuss, further down the line. Perhaps. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. >>> Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >>> >>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only >>> takes a click to accept the charter and be added to the >>> mailing list. >>> >>> My 2 cents >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If Bestbits >>> is to be wound up, so be it. >>> >>>   >>> >>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in >>> the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so. >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>> *From: *>> > on behalf >>> of parminder >> > >>> *Reply to: *parminder >> > >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>> *To: *Arsène Tungali >> >, Sheetal Kumar >>> > >>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> " >> >, "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >, >>> governance >> > >>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging >>> Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >>> >>>   >>> >>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>> >>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>>   >>> >>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>> >>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, >>> and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not already in >>> IGC to take that route if they want to. Meanwhile we do >>> welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated >>> reasons, to modify it). >>> >>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if >>> people loosely use that language . >>> >>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new >>> IGC charter, especially as an already decided thing! >>> What exactly are you talking about. >>> >>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an >>> IGC co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear >>> email about how this elist is the primary work place for >>> the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's assent tp the >>> sentiment. >>> >>>   >>> >>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps >>> you have you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's >>> procedure, and would have no meaning or consequence for it. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> parminder >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>>   >>> >>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>>   >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>>   >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>>   >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>>   >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>   >>> >>> Bruna, >>> >>>   >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>>   >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> >>> IGC >>> >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> >>> back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >>> >>>   >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>>   >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> >>> event and other subjects >>> >>>   >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>>   >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>   >>> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>>   >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>>   >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>>   >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>> ensure >>> >>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>>   >>> >>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>> >>> done >>> >>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>> >>> and >>> >>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>> >>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>>   >>> >>> thanks and best regards >>> >>>   >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>> >>> >>> * >>> * >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: > > > > -- > > * > * > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 07:37:21 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:37:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> <910970f5-6795-ecaf-ac0a-16e5701a878f@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I think it is clear for anyone who has read my email where I reported the brief discussion I had with Bruna at ICANN, but just in case it was not clear or it was misleading, for the record, here is what I meant: We had briefly discussed, for something like 3 or 4 minutes about the whole discussion going on and we agreed that we can submit to the list that we wait to hold elections until we are done with the ongoing process (the one that has started for over 7 months now). This was not a decision but was a proposal to be submitted to the list for discussion and possible agreement. And I am glad it is being discussed. I meant to share this since Parminder has called my name more than once on this very same thing. I hope it is clear now; and Bruna and Sheetal have also clarified this as well as the whole process. I think this chapter can be closed now. Thanks, Arsene 2019-07-18 13:28 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > Dear Parminder, > > Thanks for the clarifications and explanations of why you hadn't been > directly involved in the conversations earlier, which definitely helps me > understand better. I don't think it's wrong to ask the questions you asked, > and I hope that my email helped clarify that there is no attempt to skirt > around process and do things in an illegitimate fashion. The suggestion of > a 'leadership group' I thought was just a suggested way of, ironically, > introducing some clarity and legitimacy to an informal voluntary steering > process underway. I appreciate its been a messy and unclear process at > times but hopefully we can move forward with the trust that no one is > trying to drive things away from clear and transparent processes and the > Charter. > > As for the day zero event, I'll get in touch with the IGF Secretariat to > find out if anything can be done! > > Best > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 11:45, parminder wrote: > >> Dear Sheetal/ All >> >> Some clarifications >> >> I knew there was a conversation taking place among BestBits members. IT >> for Change has been a founding member of BB but latter withdraw form this >> designation (for reasons I am ready to share if needed) and continued as >> ordinary participants. I deliberately stayed out of the BB conversation >> on >> shutting shop, joining IGC, what thereupon, and so on. I wanted those >> more >> closely involved to decide. >> >> At some times there were conversations/ call that involved some IGC >> members as well, especially IGC co-ordinators... I was unclear about what >> this meant, but they appeared harmless, possibly involving clarifications >> about joining IGC (for those, likely few, BB members who were not already >> in the IGC). I watched it out of the corner of my eye, expecting that >> anything really important requiring IGC membership's attention will >> specifically be brought to our notice by co-coordinators. Since nothing >> really much ever was, I felt things were going fine. >> >> Even when I felt things were less clear then they could be, I did not >> step >> in becuase I did not want in any way to muddy waters if BB people wanted >> it >> to fold it up into the IGC. They were indeed welcome to do it. >> >> Going further, I can even well understand and appreciate that, following >> such a deliberate step, it is quite possible that some of these new (or >> old >> ones from BB) members of IGC would, in time, like to get something moving >> within the IGC. That would be a legitimate aspiration, of any member of >> IGC, or a group of them. >> >> Now, all this is quite well. But I could not stop myself when I read that >> report from Arsene from their ICANN meeting, about elections being held >> after charter amendment, combined lists of IGC and BB, and so on, and >> also >> when no one else, either Bruno, or any other member of the 'calls group' >> said anything to the contradict Arsene's report. Do you think it was >> misplaced for me to speak up at this stage ? (why I did not speak earlier >> is already clarified above). >> >> Is it wrong to ask questions like; who is asking for charter amendment, >> why, what are the key objectives, what exactly has been found amiss with >> the existing charter, and so on? Do not the concerned people have a >> responsibility to respond to this? I'd call them the 'calls group' >> because it is unclear which part was BB process, and which some kind of >> combined process, and the latter with what IGC authorisation, etc... >> >> And is it wrong to jump up when there was this entirely gratuitous offer >> made of self-appointment to a 'leadership group', and then also including >> along a colleague (from the same 'calls group', which tentative term has >> no >> pejorative sense here -- i just use it bec I am -- and many others are -- >> unclear whether it was an internal BB process, and if not what process >> really it was ) . What leadership group of IGC!? What process is/ was >> that??? Do we still just sit back and not comment and question? >> >> regards >> >> Parminder >> >> >> On 18/07/19 3:13 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >> >> Dear Parminder, all, >> >> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing >> Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to >> join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The >> information has been continually shared on both this list/among this >> community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to >> reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. >> That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to >> communicate better. >> >> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and >> what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the >> relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not >> misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's >> worth >> identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. >> >> * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >> out >> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going >> in >> so many circles about it?* >> >> *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the >> IGC >> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered >> this >> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, >> IGC >> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an >> explicit >> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* >> >> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by >> active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to >> reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking >> part >> in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start >> (there >> is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared >> on >> here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >> ), that the >> existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should >> close. >> As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this >> could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to >> move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I >> mentioned >> before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations >> about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new >> group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these >> conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC >> members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was >> decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to >> happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and >> involve >> all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says >> otherwise >> are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There >> are >> no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. >> Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from >> what >> I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less >> fracture. >> >> >> * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly >> cannot >> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour >> it >> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such >> insistence!!? >> What does one read into it. * >> >> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the >> discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to >> decide >> to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society >> coordination. >> There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. >> So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not >> create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, >> but >> because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are >> seen as a way to start. >> >> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on >> IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is >> that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and >> commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should >> wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have >> pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it >> would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we >> could >> undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to >> them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c >> August >> 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then >> for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. >> And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including >> new >> members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we >> can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. >> Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the >> handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can >> discuss >> the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we >> risk >> relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss >> these things. >> >> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits >> who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a >> conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? >> >> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>> >>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >>> to merge BB and IGC. >>> >>> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >>> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >>> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >>> >>> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out >>> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going >>> in >>> so many circles about it? >>> >>> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been >>> stated. >>> >>> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >>> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and >>> there >>> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >>> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on >>> voting >>> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are >>> there >>> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, >>> see >>> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >>> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is >>> the >>> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >>> >>> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much >>> problem >>> with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them >>> somewhere >>> on it, no problem. >>> >>> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >>> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >>> >>> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >>> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >>> >>> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >>> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >>> >>> >>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. >>> It >>> is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >>> going through to bring things back together. >>> >>> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >>> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the >>> IGC >>> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered >>> this >>> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >>> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, >>> IGC >>> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an >>> explicit >>> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >>> >>> >>> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >>> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain >>> actors >>> are doing the reminding for me. >>> >>> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >>> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and >>> I >>> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >>> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should >>> perhaps >>> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and >>> so >>> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >>> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >>> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able >>> to >>> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what >>> are >>> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which >>> admittedly >>> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >>> >>> >>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. >>> Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >>> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >>> >>> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >>> is >>> insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >>> be >>> the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >>> more >>> than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >>> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >>> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >>> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >>> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such >>> insistence!!? >>> What does one read into it. >>> >>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >>> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >>> >>> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >>> pond. I hope not. >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> Milton L Mueller >>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >>> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >>> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large >>> and >>> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >>> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC >>> 'join >>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, >>> it >>> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to >>> coordinate, >>> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene >>> an >>> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >>> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >>> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains >>> that >>> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >>> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I >>> think >>> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits >>> (as >>> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to >>> run >>> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a >>> discussion >>> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >>> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and >>> to >>> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of >>> the >>> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>> >>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >>> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the >>> election >>> will be given a voter account". >>> >>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >>> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is >>> a >>> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >>> >>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not >>> been >>> agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further >>> down >>> the line. Perhaps. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>>> >>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>>> >>>> My 2 cents >>>> >>>> Nnenna >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be >>>>> wound >>>>> up, so be it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>>> zero event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>> >>>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>>> >>>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up >>>>> to >>>>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they >>>>> want >>>>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to >>>>> iGC's >>>>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to >>>>> modify >>>>> it). >>>>> >>>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely >>>>> use >>>>> that language . >>>>> >>>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking >>>>> about. >>>>> >>>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an >>>>> ex-coordinator's >>>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next >>>>> steps. >>>>> >>>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we >>>>> have >>>>> >>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>> >>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but >>>>> likely >>>>> >>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to >>>>> join >>>>> >>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to >>>>> agree >>>>> >>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be >>>>> w/c >>>>> >>>>> August 5. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>> >>>>> IGC >>>>> >>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June >>>>> 26 >>>>> >>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would >>>>> get >>>>> >>>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>>> zero >>>>> >>>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >> > >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> >>> List help: >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From sheetal at gp-digital.org Thu Jul 18 05:43:41 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:43:41 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear Parminder, all, As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The information has been continually shared on both this list/among this community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to communicate better. There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in so many circles about it?* *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here ), that the existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less fracture. * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one read into it. * It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are seen as a way to start. Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss these things. So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. Best Sheetal On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder wrote: > > On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: > > What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying to > merge BB and IGC. > > Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no > merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions > are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. > > If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out > here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in > so many circles about it? > > Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been stated. > > 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go > through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there > has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I > really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting > right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there > for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see > and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for > their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the > plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) > > 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much problem > with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them somewhere > on it, no problem. > > What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, rather > than going in circles and creating so much confusion. > > We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t do > that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. > > Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- other > than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? > > > Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. It > is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been > going through to bring things back together. > > What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene > reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC > charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this > demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people > simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC > is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit > individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . > > > I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil > society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors > are doing the reminding for me. > > Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, > please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I > remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any > coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps > be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so > on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be > afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And > then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to > achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are > the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly > is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. > > > It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. > Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can > someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? > > Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really is > insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot be > the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more > than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the > issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it > over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it > does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the > coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? > What does one read into it. > > Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they can > be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. > > (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private > pond. I hope not. > > > parminder > > > Milton L Mueller > Professor, School of Public Policy > Georgia Institute of Technology > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: > > Dear all, > > I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's > indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the > disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and > until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has > since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join > IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it > had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, > and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an > event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many > people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on > Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? > Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that > this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an > impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think > it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as > a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run > for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion > towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It > just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to > take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the > history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). > > I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person > who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election > will be given a voter account". > > So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they > couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a > time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. > > For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been > agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down > the line. Perhaps. > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma > wrote: > >> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >> >> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click to >> accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >> >> My 2 cents >> >> Nnenna >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >> >>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>> up, so be it. >>> >>> >>> >>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>> *Reply to: *parminder >>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>> zero event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>> >>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>> >>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>> >>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>> >>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>> >>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>> >>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>> it). >>> >>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>> that language . >>> >>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>> >>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>> assent tp the sentiment. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>> >>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you may >>> wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >>> consequence for it. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> >>> >>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>> >>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>> >>> >>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>> >>> August 5. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>> >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruna, >>> >>> >>> >>> On a more substantive matter - >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>> >>> IGC >>> >>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>> >>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>> >>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Parminder" >>> >>> Cc: "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>> >>> event and other subjects >>> >>> >>> >>> Agree with Parminder. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> HI Bruna/ All >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning to all! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>> >>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>> >>> ensure >>> >>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>> >>> done >>> >>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>> >>> and >>> >>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>> >>> everyone's attention to. >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks and best regards >>> >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>> >>> > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca Thu Jul 18 10:57:12 2019 From: roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:57:12 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear Sheetal, Thank you for this summary. I would like to suggest that the topic of a Code of Conduct for the IGC be added to the agenda proposed for the call on August 5th. Tools are available online (example of just one of many resources for this: https://www.cid.org.nz/assets/CID-Resources/Fact-Sheets/FS5.-2014-format.-Code-of-conduct.pdf). I do not know if IGC has had one in the past, but it seems from list postings over the past week that one might be helpful going forward. Very best, Becky Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill University (through December 31, 2019) Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, the University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 15:14:43 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:14:43 +0100 Subject: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, 1.The IGC's first priority should be in electing a new co-coordinator to replace the vacancy from 2017. 2 years has lapsed which is substantial delay. 2.The conflict stemming from several discussions lie in ignorance of the IGC charter which could have easily been avoided if the coordinators delivered the website in 2017 as was promised then. The website also contains a record of members. 3.Jeremy has offered to pay for IGC website hosting. It follows that Bruna needs to find someone to build the website. 4. It is not good practice to have a single coordinator as two are needed to reason, and work together. Bruna cannot be expected to do things alone hence the need to accelerate the overdue electoral process. 5. In terms of the electoral process, if Bruna is struggling, a call may be put to the Community to recommend a neutral entity or create a platform to conduct the elections. 6.It is the height of irony to desire to put external civil society coordination, before cleaning up our organisational mess and getting our coordinators in place. 7.Delaying the elections to November means that we will be calling for both coordinators replacements as Bruna rotates out once call is issued and there is no sustainability as is why one would rotate out one year and the other the next. 8.As has been the practice, we engage in discussion on the list until we reach consensus which is the role of the coordinators to facilitate. With best wishes, Sala On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, 9:08 am Bruna Martins dos Santos, < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Sala, > > Thank you very much for your email. I agree with many of the points raised > here by you and Ian. > > I will chat with Arsene this week just so we can kick off a new election > process and will be referring back to the list asap. As for the website, I > think we will take on @farzaneh badii offer in > order to revitalize it and bring back the archives and so on. > > I also hope we can take this very fortunate event in which there is a > considerable amount of consensus around the need for more CS coordination > and manage to arrange a Day Zero meeting for Berlin. These spaces and > coordination made a lot of difference in the past and I do think we have > been missing it as a stakeholder group. > > > Best, > Bruna > > Le mer. 26 juin 2019 à 20:47, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit : > >> That's fantastic Farzaneh. >> In total agreement with Ian, doing nothing is not an option. >> >> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 11:31 pm farzaneh badii, >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Sala >>> >>> As to the archive and bringing the website back, I can work with Bruna >>> and others to bring the website back and revitalize archives etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:13 AM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list >>>> that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last year >>>> in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should have >>>> been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 >>>> years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 following the >>>> February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia. >>>> 2. Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open Call for >>>> candidates in December and held the elections by February 2019. >>>> 3. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on >>>> migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April 27, 2017 >>>> and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that email was >>>> www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed >>>> the IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of interests to do the >>>> website, he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website >>>> would have been from September 2016 and onwards. >>>> 4. Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the migration >>>> of content was completed. >>>> 5. An election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy >>>> that currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members to >>>> apply (looking at *Sheetal* and *Farzaneh*) and non-discriminately >>>> encouraging others too. >>>> 6. An update should be sent to all members about the status of the >>>> IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and >>>> diverse fora. >>>> 7. There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we have >>>> to encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and provide an >>>> update. Should any of the co-coordinators need assistance there are many >>>> past coordinators who can give advice offline. >>>> 8. There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the Charter >>>> needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Arsène Tungali >>>> Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >>>> Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until >>>> May 10th! >>>> To: Internet Governance >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> >>>> It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >>>> Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me >>>> (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called >>>> “Co-coordinators”. >>>> >>>> >>>> I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick >>>> start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our >>>> server but also I informed that I will be launching this once we have >>>> submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). >>>> This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I >>>> did launch this call while we were still working on the server but so many >>>> of you only saw it later on when the system was restored back. >>>> >>>> >>>> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with >>>> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as >>>> Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is >>>> to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and >>>> attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: >>>> >>>> - Your full name >>>> >>>> - Your country of origin and of residence >>>> >>>> - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with >>>> IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >>>> >>>> - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the >>>> IGC? (Max 200 words) >>>> >>>> - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? >>>> Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as >>>> priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >>>> >>>> >>>> The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >>>> 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles >>>> and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new >>>> co-coordinator. >>>> >>>> >>>> You can check duties and responsibilities on our website ( >>>> www.igcaucus.org) >>>> >>>> I do encourage all of you who wish to >>>> have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public >>>> policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group >>>> so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> IGC Co-coordinator >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>> *, >>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa >>>> Forum * >>>> Tel: +243 993810967 >>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* >>>> >>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>>> (YALI) >>>> - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >>>> >>>> & Mexico >>>> >>>> ) - AFRISIG 2016 - >>>> Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >>>> & Marrakech >>>> >>>> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >>>> >>>> )* - *IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >>>> Internet Freedom. >>>> >>>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you were >>>>> both elected? Basically month and year. >>>>> >>>>> On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that deserve >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived >>>>> info so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current site is. >>>>> >>>>> Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>>>> participation etc? >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Sala >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < >>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Sala, >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Bruna >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < >>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>> Sala >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>>> List help: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >>>> >>>> *P. O. Box 17862* >>>> >>>> *Suva* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Republic of Fiji* >>>> >>>> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >>>> >>>> *Home: +679 3362003* >>>> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >>>> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Notably, there were no nominations from the IGC to the IGF Secretariat on IGF 2020 nominees so this is perhaps something that future coordinators can lock into their calendar. 5. Notably the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Internet Rights and Principles Dynamic Coalition is being picked up by some regulators around the world. 6. To this end, it would be great to see how the IGC is involved in the various Dynamic Coalitions and Best Practice Forums. Members of the IGC are members of some of these in their individual capacity but it would be great to see the IGC publishing statements and contributing to the work in these IGF intersessionals. 7. It would also be great for the IGC to take part in the WTO or at least submit consensus statements particularly in the area of E-commerce as some of the rules being debated within the last 3 years will affect aspects of internet governance. There are some members who are active in the space who can provide updates. 8. The World Economic Forum is another Forum where it would be good for the IGC to send representatives to participate within the Forum. 9. It would also be great to see a unified response or statement by the IGC on Women's Economic Empowerment. Notably, when the UN Secretary General then convened the High Level Panel on Women's Economic Empowerment in 2016 which following with a fact finding mission, public consultations and a Report, they had made recommendations which are being rolled out three years later. 10. As a matter of update, within Asia Pacific, through the generous funding of the Canadian Government, initiatives in ICT development, women's economic empowerment are being rolled out. Currently consultations are taking place on training needs assessments for the purposes of training public policy officials across various government ministries. So it would be great to see other "gender" initiatives globally. 11. Strategic capacity building initiatives around the area of internet governance, such as the Summer Schools on Internet Governance around the world, ISOC, ICANN, Diplo Foundation etc. 12. The listserv used to be a place where people shared interesting developments happening in their part of the world and it is time we moved towards that again. 13. At some point when we have built capacity, it may be worthwhile exploring having virtual notice boards and updates from around the world where people can send what is most relevant or interesting and this be consolidated and featured or a twitter # that can be aggregated to the new website which brings me to the next point, which is the creation of the website and starting simply by hosting archived content including Charter, members etc. 14. The invitations for the 2019 Paris Peace Forum are also out. 15. That's all for now, be good to hear others thoughts. -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. 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URL: From roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca Thu Jul 18 16:44:40 2019 From: roberta.lentz at mcgill.ca (Becky Lentz) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:44:40 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter Message-ID: Please excuse if I’ve missed this already, but can someone please confirm where to access the current Charter? If nothing has been updated for 2 years, I’m concerned I may be consulting the wrong version. Also, what if any links are there to previous discussions about how to help fund the work of the IGC? Thank you. — Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill University (through December 31, 2019) Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, the University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu) From: > on behalf of "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\" (via governance Mailing List)" > Reply-To: > Date: Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:14 PM To: Bruna Santos > Cc: farzaneh badii >, governance > Subject: Re: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? Dear All, 1.The IGC's first priority should be in electing a new co-coordinator to replace the vacancy from 2017. 2 years has lapsed which is substantial delay. 2.The conflict stemming from several discussions lie in ignorance of the IGC charter which could have easily been avoided if the coordinators delivered the website in 2017 as was promised then. The website also contains a record of members. 3.Jeremy has offered to pay for IGC website hosting. It follows that Bruna needs to find someone to build the website. 4. It is not good practice to have a single coordinator as two are needed to reason, and work together. Bruna cannot be expected to do things alone hence the need to accelerate the overdue electoral process. 5. In terms of the electoral process, if Bruna is struggling, a call may be put to the Community to recommend a neutral entity or create a platform to conduct the elections. 6.It is the height of irony to desire to put external civil society coordination, before cleaning up our organisational mess and getting our coordinators in place. 7.Delaying the elections to November means that we will be calling for both coordinators replacements as Bruna rotates out once call is issued and there is no sustainability as is why one would rotate out one year and the other the next. 8.As has been the practice, we engage in discussion on the list until we reach consensus which is the role of the coordinators to facilitate. With best wishes, Sala On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, 9:08 am Bruna Martins dos Santos, > wrote: Dear Sala, Thank you very much for your email. I agree with many of the points raised here by you and Ian. I will chat with Arsene this week just so we can kick off a new election process and will be referring back to the list asap. As for the website, I think we will take on @farzaneh badii offer in order to revitalize it and bring back the archives and so on. I also hope we can take this very fortunate event in which there is a considerable amount of consensus around the need for more CS coordination and manage to arrange a Day Zero meeting for Berlin. These spaces and coordination made a lot of difference in the past and I do think we have been missing it as a stakeholder group. Best, Bruna Le mer. 26 juin 2019 à 20:47, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > a écrit : That's fantastic Farzaneh. In total agreement with Ian, doing nothing is not an option. On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 11:31 pm farzaneh badii, > wrote: Hello Sala As to the archive and bringing the website back, I can work with Bruna and others to bring the website back and revitalize archives etc. Farzaneh On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:13 AM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > wrote: Dear Colleagues, 1. It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last year in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should have been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 following the February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia. 2. Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open Call for candidates in December and held the elections by February 2019. 3. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April 27, 2017 and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that email was www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed the IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of interests to do the website, he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website would have been from September 2016 and onwards. 4. Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the migration of content was completed. 5. An election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy that currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members to apply (looking at Sheetal and Farzaneh) and non-discriminately encouraging others too. 6. An update should be sent to all members about the status of the IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and diverse fora. 7. There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we have to encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and provide an update. Should any of the co-coordinators need assistance there are many past coordinators who can give advice offline. 8. There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the Charter needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! Sincerely, Sala ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Arsène Tungali > Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until May 10th! To: Internet Governance > Dear colleagues, It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called “Co-coordinators”. I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only saw it later on when the system was restored back. We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: - Your full name - Your country of origin and of residence - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the IGC? (Max 200 words) - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new co-coordinator. You can check duties and responsibilities on our website (www.igcaucus.org) I do encourage all of you who wish to have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. Kind regards, Arsene IGC Co-coordinator ------------------------ *Arsène Tungali* Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international, CEO, Smart Services Sarl, Mabingwa Forum Tel: +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil & Mexico) - AFRISIG 2016 - Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles & Marrakech). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius) - IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom. Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: Dear Bruna, Arsene, Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you were both elected? Basically month and year. On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that deserve discussion. Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived info so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current site is. Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of participation etc? Kind Regards, Sala On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, > wrote: Dear Sala, Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. Best, Bruna On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", > wrote: Dear All, Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? Many thanks, Sala --- To unsubscribe: > List help: -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle --- To unsubscribe: > List help: -- Bruna Martins dos Santos Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Jul 18 17:17:22 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:17:22 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Becky, I dont think there have been any updates or changes for several years to the IGC Charter. Here is I think the accurate version of the Charter (courtesy the wonderful work of the Internet Archive) http://web.archive.org/web/20161109171019/http://igcaucus.org/charter Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Becky Lentz" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:44:40 AM Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter >Please excuse if I’ve missed this already, but can someone please >confirm where to access the current Charter? If nothing has been >updated for 2 years, I’m concerned I may be consulting the wrong >version. > >Also, what if any links are there to previous discussions about how to >help fund the work of the IGC? > >Thank you. >— >Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill >University (through December 31, 2019) > >Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for >Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, >the University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu) > > > > >From: on behalf of "\"Salanieta >T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\" (via governance Mailing List)" > >Reply-To: >Date: Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:14 PM >To: Bruna Santos >Cc: farzaneh badii , governance > >Subject: Re: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and >Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? > >Dear All, > >1.The IGC's first priority should be in electing a new co-coordinator >to replace the vacancy from 2017. 2 years has lapsed which is >substantial delay. > >2.The conflict stemming from several discussions lie in ignorance of >the IGC charter which could have easily been avoided if the >coordinators delivered the website in 2017 as was promised then. The >website also contains a record of members. > >3.Jeremy has offered to pay for IGC website hosting. It follows that >Bruna needs to find someone to build the website. > >4. It is not good practice to have a single coordinator as two are >needed to reason, and work together. Bruna cannot be expected to do >things alone hence the need to accelerate the overdue electoral >process. > >5. In terms of the electoral process, if Bruna is struggling, a call >may be put to the Community to recommend a neutral entity or create a >platform to conduct the elections. > >6.It is the height of irony to desire to put external civil society >coordination, before cleaning up our organisational mess and getting >our coordinators in place. > >7.Delaying the elections to November means that we will be calling for >both coordinators replacements as Bruna rotates out once call is issued >and there is no sustainability as is why one would rotate out one year >and the other the next. > >8.As has been the practice, we engage in discussion on the list until >we reach consensus which is the role of the coordinators to facilitate. > >With best wishes, >Sala > > >On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, 9:08 am Bruna Martins dos Santos, > wrote: >>Dear Sala, >> >>Thank you very much for your email. I agree with many of the points >>raised here by you and Ian. >> >>I will chat with Arsene this week just so we can kick off a new >>election process and will be referring back to the list asap. As for >>the website, I think we will take on @farzaneh badii >> offer in order to revitalize it and >>bring back the archives and so on. >> >>I also hope we can take this very fortunate event in which there is a >>considerable amount of consensus around the need for more CS >>coordination and manage to arrange a Day Zero meeting for Berlin. >>These spaces and coordination made a lot of difference in the past and >>I do think we have been missing it as a stakeholder group. >> >> >>Best, >>Bruna >> >>Le mer. 26 juin 2019 à 20:47, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> a écrit : >>>That's fantastic Farzaneh. >>>In total agreement with Ian, doing nothing is not an option. >>> >>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 11:31 pm farzaneh badii, >>> wrote: >>>>Hello Sala >>>> >>>>As to the archive and bringing the website back, I can work with >>>>Bruna and others to bring the website back and revitalize archives >>>>etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Farzaneh >>>> >>>> >>>>On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:13 AM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> wrote: >>>>>Dear Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>>It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list >>>>>that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed >>>>>last year in December, 2018 where the elections for a new >>>>>co-coordinator should have been held to ensure rotation. IC >>>>>co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 years. Arsene was elected and >>>>>began serving in March 2016 following the February 2016 elections >>>>>facilitated by Analia.Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open >>>>>Call for candidates in December and held the elections by February >>>>>2019. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on >>>>>migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April >>>>>27, 2017 and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that >>>>>email was www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had >>>>>informed the IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of >>>>>interests to do the website, he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In >>>>>essence work on the website would have been from September 2016 and >>>>>onwards.Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the >>>>>migration of content was completed.An election should be held >>>>>immediately to replace the vacancy that currently exists. I would >>>>>encourage energetic and committed members to apply (looking at >>>>>Sheetal and Farzaneh) and non-discriminately encouraging others >>>>>too.An update should be sent to all members about the status of the >>>>>IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, >>>>>WTO and diverse fora.There have been some content about a >>>>>rudderless IGC and we have to encourage Bruna to get on with it as >>>>>per the Charter and provide an update. Should any of the >>>>>co-coordinators need assistance there are many past coordinators >>>>>who can give advice offline.There is need to align the IGC to the >>>>>Charter and if the Charter needs changing and leadership needs >>>>>revamping so be it! >>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>Sala >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>From: Arsène Tungali >>>>>Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >>>>>Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open >>>>>until May 10th! >>>>>To: Internet Governance >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dear colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >>>>>Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work >>>>>with me (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two >>>>>volunteers called “Co-coordinators”. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick >>>>>start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating >>>>>our server but also I informed that I will be launching this once >>>>>we have submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which >>>>>we did today). This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with >>>>>me. You will remember I did launch this call while we were still >>>>>working on the server but so many of you only saw it later on when >>>>>the system was restored back. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check >>>>>with them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate >>>>>themselves as Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. >>>>>All you need to do is to send TO THE LIST your statement of >>>>>interest (in the body of an email and attached in a .doc file) with >>>>>the following elements: >>>>> >>>>>- Your full name >>>>> >>>>>- Your country of origin and of residence >>>>> >>>>>- Anything we need to know about your work/involvement >>>>>with IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >>>>> >>>>>- Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for >>>>>the IGC? (Max 200 words) >>>>> >>>>>- What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if >>>>>elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you >>>>>will consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >>>>>2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's >>>>>profiles and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to >>>>>elect our new co-coordinator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You can check duties and responsibilities on our website >>>>>(www.igcaucus.org) >>>>> >>>>>I do encourage all of you who wish to >>>>>have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet >>>>>public policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to >>>>>revitalize our group so we need someone very dynamic that will >>>>>bring a push to support me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>>Arsene >>>>> >>>>>IGC Co-coordinator >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------ >>>>>*Arsène Tungali * >>>>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international >>>>>, >>>>>CEO, Smart Services Sarl , Mabingwa >>>>>Forum >>>>>Tel: +243 993810967 >>>>>GPG: 523644A0 >>>>>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo >>>>> >>>>>2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>>>> >>>>>(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >>>>> >>>>>& Mexico >>>>>) >>>>>- AFRISIG 2016 - >>>>>Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >>>>> & Marrakech >>>>>). >>>>>AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >>>>>) >>>>>- IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >>>>>Internet Freedom. >>>>> >>>>>Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>>>>http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>>>>> >>>>>>Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you >>>>>>were both elected? Basically month and year. >>>>>> >>>>>>On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that >>>>>>deserve discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>>Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived >>>>>>info so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current >>>>>>site is. >>>>>> >>>>>>Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>>>>>participation etc? >>>>>> >>>>>>Kind Regards, >>>>>>Sala >>>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>Dear Sala, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best, >>>>>>>Bruna >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>Dear All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Many thanks, >>>>>>>>Sala >>>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>>>>List help: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T >>>>>P. O. Box 17862 >>>>>Suva >>>>>Republic of Fiji >>>>> >>>>>Cell: +679 7656770; >>>>>Home: +679 3362003 >>>>>Twitter: @SalanietaT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is >>>>>the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." >>>>> >>>>>Aristotle >>>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>List help: >> >> >>-- >>Bruna Martins dos Santos >> >>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>@boomartins >> >--- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 17:21:41 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:21:41 -0300 Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Becky and Ian, There hasnt been any changes to the charter since the time I joined as co-coordinator (2017), so Im taking this is also the latest version of the charter. Hope @Arsène Tungali or previous co-coordinators can help us with that. Best, Bruna Le jeu. 18 juil. 2019 à 18:18, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> a écrit : > Hi Becky, > > I dont think there have been any updates or changes for several years to > the IGC Charter. > > Here is I think the accurate version of the Charter (courtesy the > wonderful work of the Internet Archive) > > http://web.archive.org/web/20161109171019/http://igcaucus.org/charter > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Becky Lentz" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:44:40 AM > Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter > > Please excuse if I’ve missed this already, but can someone please confirm > where to access the *current* Charter? If nothing has been updated for 2 > years, I’m concerned I may be consulting the wrong version. > > Also, what if any links are there to previous discussions about how to > help fund the work of the IGC? > > Thank you. > — > > Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill > University (through December 31, 2019) > > Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for > Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, the > University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu) > > > > From: on behalf of "\"Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro\" (via governance Mailing List)" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> > Reply-To: > Date: Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:14 PM > To: Bruna Santos > Cc: farzaneh badii , governance < > governance at lists.riseup.net> > Subject: Re: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and > Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? > > Dear All, > > 1.The IGC's first priority should be in electing a new co-coordinator to > replace the vacancy from 2017. 2 years has lapsed which is substantial > delay. > > 2.The conflict stemming from several discussions lie in ignorance of the > IGC charter which could have easily been avoided if the coordinators > delivered the website in 2017 as was promised then. The website also > contains a record of members. > > 3.Jeremy has offered to pay for IGC website hosting. It follows that Bruna > needs to find someone to build the website. > > 4. It is not good practice to have a single coordinator as two are needed > to reason, and work together. Bruna cannot be expected to do things alone > hence the need to accelerate the overdue electoral process. > > 5. In terms of the electoral process, if Bruna is struggling, a call may > be put to the Community to recommend a neutral entity or create a platform > to conduct the elections. > > 6.It is the height of irony to desire to put external civil society > coordination, before cleaning up our organisational mess and getting our > coordinators in place. > > 7.Delaying the elections to November means that we will be calling for > both coordinators replacements as Bruna rotates out once call is issued and > there is no sustainability as is why one would rotate out one year and the > other the next. > > 8.As has been the practice, we engage in discussion on the list until we > reach consensus which is the role of the coordinators to facilitate. > > With best wishes, > Sala > > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, 9:08 am Bruna Martins dos Santos, < > bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Sala, >> >> Thank you very much for your email. I agree with many of the points >> raised here by you and Ian. >> >> I will chat with Arsene this week just so we can kick off a new election >> process and will be referring back to the list asap. As for the website, I >> think we will take on @farzaneh badii offer >> in order to revitalize it and bring back the archives and so on. >> >> I also hope we can take this very fortunate event in which there is a >> considerable amount of consensus around the need for more CS coordination >> and manage to arrange a Day Zero meeting for Berlin. These spaces and >> coordination made a lot of difference in the past and I do think we have >> been missing it as a stakeholder group. >> >> >> Best, >> Bruna >> >> Le mer. 26 juin 2019 à 20:47, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit : >> >>> That's fantastic Farzaneh. >>> In total agreement with Ian, doing nothing is not an option. >>> >>> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 11:31 pm farzaneh badii, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Sala >>>> >>>> As to the archive and bringing the website back, I can work with Bruna >>>> and others to bring the website back and revitalize archives etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Farzaneh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:13 AM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing >>>>> list that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last >>>>> year in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should >>>>> have been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 >>>>> years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 following the >>>>> February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia. >>>>> 2. Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open Call for >>>>> candidates in December and held the elections by February 2019. >>>>> 3. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on >>>>> migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April 27, 2017 >>>>> and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that email was >>>>> www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed >>>>> the IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of interests to do the >>>>> website, he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website >>>>> would have been from September 2016 and onwards. >>>>> 4. Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the migration >>>>> of content was completed. >>>>> 5. An election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy >>>>> that currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members to >>>>> apply (looking at *Sheetal* and *Farzaneh*) and non-discriminately >>>>> encouraging others too. >>>>> 6. An update should be sent to all members about the status of the >>>>> IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and >>>>> diverse fora. >>>>> 7. There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we have >>>>> to encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and provide an >>>>> update. Should any of the co-coordinators need assistance there are many >>>>> past coordinators who can give advice offline. >>>>> 8. There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the >>>>> Charter needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Sala >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: Arsène Tungali >>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >>>>> Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until >>>>> May 10th! >>>>> To: Internet Governance >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >>>>> Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me >>>>> (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called >>>>> “Co-coordinators”. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick >>>>> start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our >>>>> server but also I informed that I will be launching this once we have >>>>> submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). >>>>> This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I >>>>> did launch this call while we were still working on the server but so many >>>>> of you only saw it later on when the system was restored back. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with >>>>> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as >>>>> Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is >>>>> to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and >>>>> attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: >>>>> >>>>> - Your full name >>>>> >>>>> - Your country of origin and of residence >>>>> >>>>> - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with >>>>> IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >>>>> >>>>> - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the >>>>> IGC? (Max 200 words) >>>>> >>>>> - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if >>>>> elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will >>>>> consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >>>>> 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles >>>>> and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new >>>>> co-coordinator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can check duties and responsibilities on our website ( >>>>> www.igcaucus.org) >>>>> >>>>> I do encourage all of you who wish to >>>>> have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public >>>>> policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group >>>>> so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> IGC Co-coordinator >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------ >>>>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>>>> *, >>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa >>>>> Forum * >>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 >>>>> GPG: 523644A0 >>>>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* >>>>> >>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>>>> (YALI) >>>>> - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >>>>> >>>>> & Mexico >>>>> >>>>> ) - AFRISIG 2016 - >>>>> Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >>>>> & Marrakech >>>>> >>>>> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >>>>> >>>>> )* - *IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >>>>> Internet Freedom. >>>>> >>>>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you were >>>>>> both elected? Basically month and year. >>>>>> >>>>>> On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that deserve >>>>>> discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived >>>>>> info so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current site is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>>>>> participation etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> Sala >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < >>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Sala, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Bruna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < >>>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>> Sala >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>>>> List help: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * >>>>> >>>>> *P. O. Box 17862 * >>>>> >>>>> *Suva * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Republic of Fiji * >>>>> >>>>> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >>>>> >>>>> *Home: +679 3362003 * >>>>> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >>>>> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- To unsubscribe: List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Jul 18 17:27:37 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:27:37 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PS The Charter does include a Code of Conduct. Also, since we have a topic on the Charter now: I might be responsible for suggesting a discussion as to whether the Charter should be amended. My concerns were basically with the tedious nomcom and other processes, and a general suggestion that reviewing these things every few years is a good idea always to see if they are still fit for purpose. However - right now IGC is in some sort of a crisis of leadership and organisational capabilities. I do not believe charter revision is any sort of immediate priority in these circumstances: I would suggest getting the leadership and the website sorted out are the big priorities, and any charter amendments should be way down the list of priorities in the current circumstances. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" To: "Becky Lentz" ; "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 7:17:22 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter >Hi Becky, > >I dont think there have been any updates or changes for several years >to the IGC Charter. > >Here is I think the accurate version of the Charter (courtesy the >wonderful work of the Internet Archive) > >http://web.archive.org/web/20161109171019/http://igcaucus.org/charter > >Ian > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Becky Lentz" >To: "governance" >Sent: 19/07/2019 6:44:40 AM >Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter > >>Please excuse if I’ve missed this already, but can someone please >>confirm where to access the current Charter? If nothing has been >>updated for 2 years, I’m concerned I may be consulting the wrong >>version. >> >>Also, what if any links are there to previous discussions about how to >>help fund the work of the IGC? >> >>Thank you. >>— >>Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill >>University (through December 31, 2019) >> >>Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for >>Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public >>Affairs, the University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu) >> >> >> >> >>From: on behalf of "\"Salanieta >>T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\" (via governance Mailing List)" >> >>Reply-To: >>Date: Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:14 PM >>To: Bruna Santos >>Cc: farzaneh badii , governance >> >>Subject: Re: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and >>Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC >>Co-coordinators? >> >>Dear All, >> >>1.The IGC's first priority should be in electing a new co-coordinator >>to replace the vacancy from 2017. 2 years has lapsed which is >>substantial delay. >> >>2.The conflict stemming from several discussions lie in ignorance of >>the IGC charter which could have easily been avoided if the >>coordinators delivered the website in 2017 as was promised then. The >>website also contains a record of members. >> >>3.Jeremy has offered to pay for IGC website hosting. It follows that >>Bruna needs to find someone to build the website. >> >>4. It is not good practice to have a single coordinator as two are >>needed to reason, and work together. Bruna cannot be expected to do >>things alone hence the need to accelerate the overdue electoral >>process. >> >>5. In terms of the electoral process, if Bruna is struggling, a call >>may be put to the Community to recommend a neutral entity or create a >>platform to conduct the elections. >> >>6.It is the height of irony to desire to put external civil society >>coordination, before cleaning up our organisational mess and getting >>our coordinators in place. >> >>7.Delaying the elections to November means that we will be calling for >>both coordinators replacements as Bruna rotates out once call is >>issued and there is no sustainability as is why one would rotate out >>one year and the other the next. >> >>8.As has been the practice, we engage in discussion on the list until >>we reach consensus which is the role of the coordinators to >>facilitate. >> >>With best wishes, >>Sala >> >> >>On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, 9:08 am Bruna Martins dos Santos, >> wrote: >>>Dear Sala, >>> >>>Thank you very much for your email. I agree with many of the points >>>raised here by you and Ian. >>> >>>I will chat with Arsene this week just so we can kick off a new >>>election process and will be referring back to the list asap. As for >>>the website, I think we will take on @farzaneh badii >>> offer in order to revitalize it and >>>bring back the archives and so on. >>> >>>I also hope we can take this very fortunate event in which there is a >>>considerable amount of consensus around the need for more CS >>>coordination and manage to arrange a Day Zero meeting for Berlin. >>>These spaces and coordination made a lot of difference in the past >>>and I do think we have been missing it as a stakeholder group. >>> >>> >>>Best, >>>Bruna >>> >>>Le mer. 26 juin 2019 à 20:47, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> a écrit : >>>>That's fantastic Farzaneh. >>>>In total agreement with Ian, doing nothing is not an option. >>>> >>>>On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 11:31 pm farzaneh badii, >>>> wrote: >>>>>Hello Sala >>>>> >>>>>As to the archive and bringing the website back, I can work with >>>>>Bruna and others to bring the website back and revitalize archives >>>>>etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Farzaneh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:13 AM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>Dear Colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>>It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list >>>>>>that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed >>>>>>last year in December, 2018 where the elections for a new >>>>>>co-coordinator should have been held to ensure rotation. IC >>>>>>co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 years. Arsene was elected >>>>>>and began serving in March 2016 following the February 2016 >>>>>>elections facilitated by Analia.Bruna and Arsene should have >>>>>>started the Open Call for candidates in December and held the >>>>>>elections by February 2019. The co-coordinators have been working >>>>>>with the community on migrating the content as you can see from >>>>>>the email below of April 27, 2017 and preparing a new website. The >>>>>>website mentioned in that email was www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on >>>>>>September, 2016, Arsene had informed the IGC that whilst he had >>>>>>received 3 statement of interests to do the website, he had >>>>>>accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website would have >>>>>>been from September 2016 and onwards.Kindly advise what the new >>>>>>website is and whether the migration of content was completed.An >>>>>>election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy that >>>>>>currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed >>>>>>members to apply (looking at Sheetal and Farzaneh) and >>>>>>non-discriminately encouraging others too.An update should be sent >>>>>>to all members about the status of the IGC, and strategic >>>>>>framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and diverse >>>>>>fora.There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we >>>>>>have to encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and >>>>>>provide an update. Should any of the co-coordinators need >>>>>>assistance there are many past coordinators who can give advice >>>>>>offline.There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the >>>>>>Charter needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>>Sala >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>From: Arsène Tungali >>>>>>Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >>>>>>Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open >>>>>>until May 10th! >>>>>>To: Internet Governance >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dear colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to >>>>>>replace Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to >>>>>>work with me (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two >>>>>>volunteers called “Co-coordinators”. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick >>>>>>start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating >>>>>>our server but also I informed that I will be launching this once >>>>>>we have submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which >>>>>>we did today). This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with >>>>>>me. You will remember I did launch this call while we were still >>>>>>working on the server but so many of you only saw it later on when >>>>>>the system was restored back. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check >>>>>>with them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate >>>>>>themselves as Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. >>>>>>All you need to do is to send TO THE LIST your statement of >>>>>>interest (in the body of an email and attached in a .doc file) >>>>>>with the following elements: >>>>>> >>>>>>- Your full name >>>>>> >>>>>>- Your country of origin and of residence >>>>>> >>>>>>- Anything we need to know about your work/involvement >>>>>>with IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >>>>>> >>>>>>- Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for >>>>>>the IGC? (Max 200 words) >>>>>> >>>>>>- What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if >>>>>>elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you >>>>>>will consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >>>>>>2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's >>>>>>profiles and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to >>>>>>elect our new co-coordinator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You can check duties and responsibilities on our website >>>>>>(www.igcaucus.org) >>>>>> >>>>>>I do encourage all of you who wish to >>>>>>have a different experience with international advocacy or >>>>>>Internet public policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need >>>>>>to revitalize our group so we need someone very dynamic that will >>>>>>bring a push to support me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Arsene >>>>>> >>>>>>IGC Co-coordinator >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------ >>>>>>*Arsène Tungali * >>>>>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international >>>>>>, >>>>>>CEO, Smart Services Sarl , Mabingwa >>>>>>Forum >>>>>>Tel: +243 993810967 >>>>>>GPG: 523644A0 >>>>>>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo >>>>>> >>>>>>2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>>>>> >>>>>>(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >>>>>> >>>>>>& Mexico >>>>>>) >>>>>>- AFRISIG 2016 - >>>>>>Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >>>>>> & >>>>>>Marrakech >>>>>>). >>>>>>AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >>>>>>) >>>>>>- IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >>>>>>Internet Freedom. >>>>>> >>>>>>Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >>>>>> >>>>>>To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>>>>>http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you >>>>>>>were both elected? Basically month and year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that >>>>>>>deserve discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on >>>>>>>archived info so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what >>>>>>>our current site is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>>>>>>participation etc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kind Regards, >>>>>>>Sala >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>Dear Sala, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Best, >>>>>>>>Bruna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Dear All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Many thanks, >>>>>>>>>Sala >>>>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>>>>>List help: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T >>>>>>P. O. Box 17862 >>>>>>Suva >>>>>>Republic of Fiji >>>>>> >>>>>>Cell: +679 7656770; >>>>>>Home: +679 3362003 >>>>>>Twitter: @SalanietaT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is >>>>>>the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." >>>>>> >>>>>>Aristotle >>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>>List help: >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Bruna Martins dos Santos >>> >>>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>>@boomartins >>> >>--- To unsubscribe: List >>help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 17:31:31 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:31:31 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) Message-ID: Dear All, 1. Thought I would create a separate thread so things are easily tracked. 2. Jeremy has offered to pay for web hosting. 3. Farzaneh had offered on 26th June to work with others to build the website and restore the archives. 4. Bruna, suggest you issue a call for volunteers and ask previous coordinators like Ian about content. 5. All the best. Many thanks, Sala Many thanks, Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 18:34:24 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:34:24 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sala Thanks. My offer still stands. As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get to work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website in the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything is there to go live. Best Farzaneh On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:18 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > 1. Thought I would create a separate thread so things are easily tracked. > > 2. Jeremy has offered to pay for web hosting. > > 3. Farzaneh had offered on 26th June to work with others to build the > website and restore the archives. > > 4. Bruna, suggest you issue a call for volunteers and ask previous > coordinators like Ian about content. > > 5. All the best. > > > Many thanks, > Sala > > > Many thanks, > Sala > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 18:41:48 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:41:48 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 18:35 farzaneh badii, wrote: > Hi Sala > > Thanks. My offer still stands. > > As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get > to work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website > in the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. > > I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything > is there to go live. > > > > Best > > Farzaneh > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:18 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> 1. Thought I would create a separate thread so things are easily tracked. >> >> 2. Jeremy has offered to pay for web hosting. >> >> 3. Farzaneh had offered on 26th June to work with others to build the >> website and restore the archives. >> >> 4. Bruna, suggest you issue a call for volunteers and ask previous >> coordinators like Ian about content. >> >> 5. All the best. >> >> >> Many thanks, >> Sala >> >> >> Many thanks, >> Sala >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- > Farzaneh > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Jul 18 18:48:06 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:48:06 +0000 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space! If I may summarise: 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down the track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been restored. 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic) 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in place. I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no choice but to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be another one in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections. So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am not happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. Ian Peter - ------ Original Message ------ From: "Sheetal Kumar" To: "parminder" Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" ; "Nnenna Nwakanma" ; "governance" Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >Dear Parminder, all, > >As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing >Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to >join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The >information has been continually shared on both this list/among this >community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to >reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. >That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to >communicate better. > >There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, >and what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part >of the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not >misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's >worth identifying what we agree on and then work through what we >disagree on. >If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we >going in so many circles about it? > > >What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday >Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after >(1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, >who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, >and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a >combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually take >its membership with an explicit individual-based process, there is no >merging or combining lists here) . > >All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including >by active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been >how to reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those >taking part in these discussions which have been open to everyone from >the start (there is a whole archive of the discussions that have been >continually shared on here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad >here ), that the >existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should >close. As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my >opinion), this could not simply be a matter of closing the list and >telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already >members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was more than a list too. >Instead, we had conversations about it, that lasted months. Some people >even wanted to create a new group. We decided not to. Among some >suggestions that came out of these conversations was the opportunity to >revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC members were part of this >discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in >that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to happen. Any such >process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve all members. >Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise are >simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are >no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. >Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from >what I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity >and less fracture. > >Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly >cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has >been on for more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, >no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the >process, but why labour it over 7 months when it needs just 2 months >cooling period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat, why >such a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much more than >that... Why such insistence!!? What does one read into it. > >It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the >discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to >decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society >coordination. There were other proposals like I said, including setting >up a new group. So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close >Bestbits and not create a new list or do something else. IGC is more >than a list, sure, but because leadership is I guess key to >reinvigorating things, elections are seen as a way to start. > >Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not >on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning >is that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and >commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should >wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have >pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it >would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we >could undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and >reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a >call in w/c August 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can >collectively set a date then for the closure of Bestbits, requesting >those not already on IGC to join. And then we'll be all having this >conversation on this list, including new members. Once new BB members >have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we can then decide whether to >hold elections right away or wait 2 months. Maybe everyone will want to >just hold elections right away, including the handful of new members. >Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss the day 0 event >together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk relevant and >interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss these >things. > >So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of >Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, >and have a conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? > >Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. > >Best > >Sheetal > > > >On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >wrote: >> >> >>On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>>What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact >>>trying to merge BB and IGC. >>Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >>merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if >>conditions are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >> >>If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >>out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we >>going in so many circles about it? >> >>Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been >>stated. >> >>1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can >>go through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, >>and there has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if >>you ask me, I really do not understand why this hurry and absolute >>insistence on voting right away . That should not be such a big thing. >>Cooling periods are there for a reason. People who havent ever been on >>the IGC need to observe, see and know and mingle before insisting on >>some absolute rights to vote for their choice of coordinator. So, why, >>really this insistence ? What is the plan? But anyway, I really said I >>am fine either way.) >> >>2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much >>problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put >>them somewhere on it, no problem. >> >>What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >>rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >> >>>We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We >>>don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >>Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >>other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >> >> >> >>>Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need >>>us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we >>>have been going through to bring things back together. >>What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday >>Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will be held after >>(1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, >>who triggered this demand, with what objectives, what justifications, >>and so on, and people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is >>a combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually >>take its membership with an explicit individual-based process, there >>is no merging or combining lists here) . >> >> >> >>> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of >>>civil society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like >>>certain actors are doing the reminding for me. >>Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >>please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, >>and I remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In >>fact any coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so >>--should perhaps be helped by visiting the original conditions of why >>they went away and so on... We are capable of an adult conversation >>here, and should not be afraid. Important public facts are always good >>to know and discuss. And then one may also discuss what happened with >>BB, whether they were able to achieve the objectives they set >>themselves for, if not, why, and what are the reasons of BB's >>dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker >>and lost now than when they left it. >> >>> >>>It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can >>>vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing >>>that? Can someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >>Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >>is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly >>cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has >>been on for more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, >>no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the >>process, but why labour it over 7 months when it needs just 2 months >>cooling period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat, why >>such a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much more >>than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one read into it. >> >>>Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where >>>they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >>(Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >>pond. I hope not. >> >> >> >>parminder >> >>> >>>Milton L Mueller >>>Professor, School of Public Policy >>>Georgia Institute of Technology >>> >>>On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Dear all, >>>> >>>>I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. >>>>It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand >>>>is the disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, >>>>about a large and until recently active splinter group of IGC >>>>(namely, Bestbits) which has since agreed to close and its members >>>>who are not already part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a >>>>mailing list, it had an active membership, it had a functioning >>>>website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, and more. >>>>It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >>>>event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how >>>>many people who have been part of that discussion or at least >>>>following on Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of >>>>the IGC elections? Whether its semantic or not to call it a >>>>'merger', the point remains that this has been a discussion for a >>>>few months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold the IGC >>>>elections. They don't have to, but I think it makes sense for them >>>>to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as a splinter group >>>>of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run for any >>>>elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >>>>towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this >>>>space. It just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits >>>>discussion and to take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in >>>>mind (again, because of the history of the connection between >>>>Bestbits and IGC). >>>> >>>>I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each >>>>person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before >>>>the election will be given a voter account". >>>> >>>>So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then >>>>they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If >>>>there is a time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to >>>>discuss. >>>> >>>>For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not >>>>been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, >>>>further down the line. Perhaps. >>>> >>>>Best >>>>Sheetal >>>> >>>>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >>>> wrote: >>>>>I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>>>>Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>>>> >>>>>Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a >>>>>click to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>>>> >>>>>My 2 cents >>>>> >>>>>Nnenna >>>>> >>>>>On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be >>>>>>wound up, so be it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC >>>>>>please subscribe to the list and do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>From: on behalf of parminder >>>>>> >>>>>>Reply to: parminder >>>>>>Date: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>>>To: Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar >>>>>> >>>>>>Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta >>>>>>T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , >>>>>>governance >>>>>>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>>>>Day zero event and other subjects >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>>>>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>>>>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>>>>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>>>>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>>>Arsene >>>>>> >>>>>>I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>>>> >>>>>>There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is >>>>>>up to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that >>>>>>route if they want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society >>>>>>members adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, >>>>>>unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). >>>>>> >>>>>>And there is really no merger involved here, even if people >>>>>>loosely use that language . >>>>>> >>>>>>I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC >>>>>>charter, especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are >>>>>>you talking about. >>>>>> >>>>>>And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>>>>co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how >>>>>>this elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an >>>>>>ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>>>>You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have >>>>>>you may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would >>>>>>have no meaning or consequence for it. >>>>>> >>>>>>regards >>>>>> >>>>>>parminder >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>Arsene >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>>>>>Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>>>>>>agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>>>>>take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>>>>>agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>>>>>>will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>>>>>>and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>>>>>>next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>>>>>>August 5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Best >>>>>>>>Sheetal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bruna, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On a more substantive matter - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>>>>>>IGC >>>>>>>>>Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>>>>>>>you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>>>>>>>back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ian Peter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>>>>>>To: "Parminder" >>>>>>>>>Cc: "governance" >>>>>>>>>Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>>>>>>>event and other subjects >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Agree with Parminder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>HI Bruna/ All >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Good morning to all! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>>>>>>>Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>>>>>>>ensure >>>>>>>>>>that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>>>>>>>done >>>>>>>>>>among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>>>>>>>>everyone's attention to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>thanks and best regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>parminder >>>>>>>>>>On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>> >>>> >>>>Sheetal Kumar >>>>Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>>--- >>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>List help: >>> >>>--- >>>To unsubscribe: >>>List help: > > >-- > > >Sheetal Kumar >Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Jul 18 18:29:39 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:29:39 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure I can add much here, but I am happy to be part of a smaller group working on getting the logistics of this together. Thanks Farzaneh and Jeremy for your offers to get this moving. My suggestion is we just go ahead with a voluntary small working group unless there are major objections, reporting back here as things progress. Perhaps others with useful skills and ideas can volunteer here to work on this and Farzaneh can co-ordinate the build process? Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 7:31:31 AM Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) >Dear All, > >1. Thought I would create a separate thread so things are easily >tracked. > >2. Jeremy has offered to pay for web hosting. > >3. Farzaneh had offered on 26th June to work with others to build the >website and restore the archives. > >4. Bruna, suggest you issue a call for volunteers and ask previous >coordinators like Ian about content. > >5. All the best. > > >Many thanks, >Sala > > >Many thanks, >Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 19:07:40 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:07:40 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Ditto everything that Ian said. On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a > credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if > there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space! > > If I may summarise: > > 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down the > track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been > restored. > > 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards > website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with > a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic) > > 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, > others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in > place. I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for > instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no > choice but to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be > another one in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an > argument to do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will > be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: > > If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most > supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim > leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from > Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an > interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on > the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections. > > So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am not > happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. > > Ian Peter > - > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Sheetal Kumar" > To: "parminder" > Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" ; "Nnenna Nwakanma" < > nnenna75 at gmail.com>; "governance" > Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero > event and other subjects > > Dear Parminder, all, > > As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing > Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to > join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The > information has been continually shared on both this list/among this > community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to > reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. > That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to > communicate better. > > There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and > what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the > relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not > misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth > identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. > > * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out > here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in > so many circles about it?* > > *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene > reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC > charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this > demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people > simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC > is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit > individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* > > All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by > active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to > reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part > in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there > is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on > here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here > ), that the > existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. > As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this > could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to > move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned > before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations > about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new > group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these > conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC > members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was > decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to > happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve > all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise > are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are > no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. > Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what > I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less > fracture. > > > * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really > is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot > be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for > more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just > the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it > over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it > does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the > coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? > What does one read into it. * > > It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the > discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide > to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. > There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. > So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not > create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but > because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are > seen as a way to start. > > Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on > IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is > that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and > commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should > wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have > pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it > would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could > undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to > them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August > 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then > for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. > And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new > members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we > can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. > Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the > handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss > the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk > relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss > these things. > > So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits > who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a > conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? > > Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. > > Best > > Sheetal > > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder wrote: > >> >> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> >> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >> to merge BB and IGC. >> >> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >> >> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out >> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in >> so many circles about it? >> >> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been stated. >> >> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there >> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there >> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see >> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >> >> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much problem >> with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them somewhere >> on it, no problem. >> >> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >> >> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >> >> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >> >> >> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. It >> is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >> going through to bring things back together. >> >> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >> >> >> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors >> are doing the reminding for me. >> >> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I >> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps >> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so >> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are >> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly >> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >> >> >> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. >> Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >> >> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really is >> insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot be >> the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more >> than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >> What does one read into it. >> >> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >> >> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >> pond. I hope not. >> >> >> parminder >> >> >> Milton L Mueller >> Professor, School of Public Policy >> Georgia Institute of Technology >> >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and >> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it >> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that >> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think >> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as >> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to >> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >> >> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election >> will be given a voter account". >> >> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >> >> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been >> agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down >> the line. Perhaps. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>> >>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>> >>> My 2 cents >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>>> up, so be it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>> zero event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>> >>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>> >>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>> >>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>> >>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>>> it). >>>> >>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>>> that language . >>>> >>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>> >>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>> >>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>> >>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>> >>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>> >>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>> >>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>> >>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>> >>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>> >>>> August 5. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>> >>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>> >>>> ensure >>>> >>>> that these do not clash. 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URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Thu Jul 11 05:07:55 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:07:55 +0100 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: References: <20190410131012.GA17542@auk.tarvainen.info> <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dear all, Thank you for your responses to the proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits into one list. This proposal requires the closing of Bestbits and therefore we will proceed with this course of action. I am including below a doodle to arrange a call to discuss next steps, including the organisation of a day 0 event at the global IGF in Berlin in November. The proposal for an event has been accepted, but the event is for 2.5 hours only, not the full day event originally proposed. On the call we suggest discussing reviving the IGC website, the proposal to conduct a revision of the IGC Charter, and elections. We'll also agree the process for closing Bestbits, and the outreach necessary to ensure that the information is communicated in a clear and transparent way. Please indicate your availability for this call here: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26 Thanks everyone! Best Sheetal. -- *Sheetal Kumar* On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:28, Poncelet Ileleji wrote: > Hello Sheetal, > > I concur accordingly and have no objections at all to the proposal so I > have no further inputs. > > Poncelet > > Kind Regards > > Poncelet > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 13:24, Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Thanks to all those who have inputted so far! It's great to see support >> for the proposal shared earlier this month. This is just a gentle reminder >> to weigh in on the proposal before *July 5th*, which I've recopied in >> italics below. >> >> Best >> Sheetal. >> >> *Meeting of IGC & BB participants, June 11th, 2019, RightsCon, Tunis* >> >> *Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from those >> who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a discussion of >> what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & coordination, >> those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or consolidating, >> efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four options suggested >> in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see attached). This >> discussion also draws on and continues a series of online conversations >> facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see a summary of >> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >> . There was a need >> identified for more streamlined information sharing and expectation that >> opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or issues will arise >> from more structured and streamlined information sharing. It was also >> agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a future >> document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and general >> framework should be developed.* >> >> >> *Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >> Committee processes on cybersecurity). * >> >> >> *If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >> outlined above, please share your perspectives by 05 July. Should there be >> no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented after July >> 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, please do >> get in touch with us.* >> >> *Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra >> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), Milton >> Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter Micek >> (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of Expression), >> Arsene Tungali (Rudi International)* >> >> >> *Agenda followed:* >> >> >> >> *1) Introductions 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed 3) >> Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why organise >> the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? 4) >> Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? Agreement on >> roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps * >> >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Remmy Nweke wrote: >> >>> Thanks >>> A better option. >>> Regards >>> Remmy Nweke >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Sheetal Kumar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I am writing here on behalf of the thirteen members of IGC and/or >>>> Bestbits which met on June 11, day 0 of RightsCon in Tunis to take forward >>>> our discussion on how to better coordinate civil society efforts (see >>>> agenda & participants at bottom of this email). Please see our proposal >>>> below. >>>> >>>> Following a discussion of the history of coordination efforts from >>>> those who had been involved in the early set up of the IGC, and a >>>> discussion of what is needed to address challenges to information sharing & >>>> coordination, those present agreed that the proposal for combining, or >>>> consolidating, efforts should be taken forward (this was one of the four >>>> options suggested in a survey to Bestbits members earlier this year - see >>>> attached). This discussion also draws on and continues a series of online >>>> conversations facilitated by members of IGC and Bestbits, which you can see >>>> a summary of here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture. >>>> There was a need identified for more streamlined information sharing and >>>> expectation that opportunities to collaborate around common priorities or >>>> issues will arise from more structured and streamlined information sharing. >>>> It was also agreed that the current IGC Charter could form a basis for a >>>> future document but that it should be revisited and a more lightweight and >>>> general framework should be developed. >>>> >>>> Therefore, the group proposes that those interested in civil society >>>> coordination efforts related to the original vision of the IGC Charter (see >>>> attached), join the IGC and that Bestbits is closed, with an automatic >>>> response instituted for those posting on Bestbits, redirecting them to join >>>> IGC. Within IGC, following this merger, we propose that those interested >>>> form a small drafting group to draft a revised and more lightweight version >>>> of the Charter. Those present also agreed to work towards the organisation >>>> of a day 0 event before the global IGF this year in Berlin, in concert with >>>> German civil society groups. The day 0 event will be dedicated to >>>> finalising the revised Charter and sharing updates on relevant global >>>> processes (the UN High Level Panel on Digital Cooperation & the UN First >>>> Committee processes on cybersecurity). >>>> >>>> If you have strong concerns or if you oppose the merger proposal as >>>> outlined above, please share your perspectives by *05 July*. Should >>>> there be no objections, we suggest the process as outlined is implemented >>>> after July 05. If you have any questions at all about the process so far, >>>> please do get in touch with us. >>>> >>>> Participants: Leena Romppainen (Effi), Gayatri Khandhadai (APC), Pavitra >>>> Ramanujam (APC), Sheetal Kumar (GPD), Anriette Esterhuysen (APC), >>>> Milton Mueller (Georgia Tech), Jamila Venturini (Derechos Digitales), Peter >>>> Micek (Access Now), Rafik Dammak, Bruna Martins dos Santos (Coding Rights), >>>> Nadira Alaraj, Bach Avezdjanov (Columbia Global Freedom of >>>> Expression), Arsene Tungali (Rudi International) >>>> >>>> Agenda followed: >>>> 1) Introductions >>>> 2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed >>>> 3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? >>>> 4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 16:36, Sheetal Kumar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to seeing those of you who can make it to our meeting >>>>> in Tunis tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> If you're attending to come but haven't yet let me know, please drop >>>>> me a line if you can. >>>>> >>>>> Please find the details below: >>>>> >>>>> *Where:* Room DOUGGA on Tuesday, June 11th from 9am-12:30pm >>>>> >>>>> *Why/Aims/intended outcome:* >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> *Agreed next steps for organising a day 0 event * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *What/the agenda: * >>>>> >>>>> *1) Introductions (15 minutes)* >>>>> >>>>> *2) Context/background: bringing everyone up to speed (15 minutes)* >>>>> >>>>> *3) Organising a day 0 event: what would we want to get out of it? Why >>>>> organise the event? Can we set outcomes? How ambitious do we want to be? >>>>> (1-1.5 hours)* >>>>> *4) Practicalities of organising the event: steering committee? >>>>> Agreement on roles and responsibilities, further outreach, next steps (45 >>>>> minutes) * >>>>> >>>>> Do let me know if you have any questions! >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> *Best* >>>>> >>>>> *Sheetal.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 10:24, Sheetal Kumar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan >>>>>> the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Room Dougga >>>>>> - June 11, *9am-12:30pm * >>>>>> - Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be >>>>>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet >>>>>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed >>>>>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope to see many of you soon! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies >>>>>>> off-thread expressing interest in the effort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the >>>>>>> RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will you be >>>>>>> at RightsCon? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the way forward: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to >>>>>>> attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of course we'd like >>>>>>> to accommodate everyone who can attend >>>>>>> - If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please >>>>>>> do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated and you can >>>>>>> input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have >>>>>>> good wifi) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov < >>>>>>> ba2482 at columbia.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire if >>>>>>>> we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please let me know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bach Avezdjanov >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phone: 212 854 1591 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Columbia Global Freedom of Expression >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter! >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto: >>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Lee W McKnight >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter >>>>>>>> Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance; Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad >>>>>>>> where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet >>>>>>>> Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic >>>>>>>> Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the >>>>>>>> creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles >>>>>>>> among other positive outcomes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; >>>>>>>> ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS >>>>>>>> coordination right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and >>>>>>>> methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at >>>>>>>> times to this prof). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net < >>>>>>>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy; >>>>>>>> Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < >>>>>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on >>>>>>>> the future of Bestbits: next steps >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of >>>>>>>> those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants >>>>>>>> here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see >>>>>>>> below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going >>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day >>>>>>>> 0 event at IGF >>>>>>>> - Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal >>>>>>>> steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as >>>>>>>> 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation >>>>>>>> of the event however they see fit >>>>>>>> - Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal >>>>>>>> agenda has been put together >>>>>>>> - Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this >>>>>>>> effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of >>>>>>>> focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already >>>>>>>> been proposed) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've >>>>>>>> now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the >>>>>>>> discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level >>>>>>>> coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an >>>>>>>> agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please provide your views on this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the >>>>>>>> recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary >>>>>>>> at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should >>>>>>>> provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about >>>>>>>> civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call >>>>>>>> reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work >>>>>>>> together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and >>>>>>>> discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported >>>>>>>> exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the >>>>>>>> mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call >>>>>>>> mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage >>>>>>>> and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, >>>>>>>> we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC >>>>>>>> would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant >>>>>>>> of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put >>>>>>>> something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback >>>>>>>> before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple >>>>>>>> proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the >>>>>>>> call wants to chime in with more information please do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions, please do let us know! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen < >>>>>>>> tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will >>>>>>>> report on the meeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tapani Tarvainen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an >>>>>>>> hour at 1 >>>>>>>> > PM UTC (see the link below). >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Best >>>>>>>> > Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Meeting room details >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Meeting ID >>>>>>>> > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>> > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>> > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > Dear all >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on >>>>>>>> *Wednesday, >>>>>>>> > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below >>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Best >>>>>>>> > > Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Meeting room details >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > *Meeting URL* >>>>>>>> > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Meeting ID >>>>>>>> > > 524 189 381 >>>>>>>> > > Want to dial in from a phone? >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Dial one of the following numbers: >>>>>>>> > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>> > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>> > > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by # >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Connecting from a room system? >>>>>>>> > > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & >>>>>>>> passcode >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> > > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone >>>>>>>> relevant. >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > Suggested agenda >>>>>>>> > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of >>>>>>>> what's happened >>>>>>>> > > so far >>>>>>>> > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>> > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>> > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>> > > 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> Dear Akinremi, >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the >>>>>>>> participants of >>>>>>>> > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> > >> merging should be limited to each group". If riseup.net is >>>>>>>> working, >>>>>>>> > >> then I do not have concerns. >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> Thank you. >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>> > >> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>> > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org >>>>>>>> mailbox is not >>>>>>>> > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net >>>>>>>> mailing-list. >>>>>>>> > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do >>>>>>>> so as to be >>>>>>>> > >>> able to help. >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> Regards. >>>>>>>> > >>> Peter >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy < >>>>>>>> > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits >>>>>>>> list to >>>>>>>> > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different >>>>>>>> problem. The >>>>>>>> > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is >>>>>>>> managing the >>>>>>>> > >>>> Governance lists please? >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> >>>>>>>> > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>>>>>>> > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be >>>>>>>> limited to >>>>>>>> > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should >>>>>>>> be limited to >>>>>>>> > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an >>>>>>>> independent >>>>>>>> > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the >>>>>>>> group should cease >>>>>>>> > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC >>>>>>>> group wants IGC >>>>>>>> > >>>>> to remain as it is. >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some >>>>>>>> contacts on the >>>>>>>> > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you >>>>>>>> are referring to. >>>>>>>> > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any >>>>>>>> privacy issue that >>>>>>>> > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on >>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society >>>>>>>> organization in the >>>>>>>> > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing >>>>>>>> many hat remains. >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> > >>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M < >>>>>>>> > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited >>>>>>>> response, only >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> about 8 respondents. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list? >>>>>>>> Possibly the poll >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only >>>>>>>> to the IGC list. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of >>>>>>>> Bestbits" rather than >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society". >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society >>>>>>>> coordination, and I know >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The >>>>>>>> conversations have >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the >>>>>>>> current situation >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination >>>>>>>> network), and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil >>>>>>>> society coordination >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which >>>>>>>> gathered a >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a >>>>>>>> summary report of >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris >>>>>>>> there was discussion >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do >>>>>>>> that however, it >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and >>>>>>>> agree a way >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It >>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can >>>>>>>> confirm the date and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> set up a room. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and >>>>>>>> contributions so far! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with >>>>>>>> a summary included >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the >>>>>>>> first half >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way >>>>>>>> forward (45 minutes-1 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC >>>>>>>> founders and other >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate >>>>>>>> call too. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to >>>>>>>> find a way >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus >>>>>>>> to change >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in >>>>>>>> finding a way >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the >>>>>>>> widest possible >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions >>>>>>>> on how to proceed, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle >>>>>>>> for a follow up >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> call. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it >>>>>>>> would be great >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>> If you could fill >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much >>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to >>>>>>>> decide next >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> steps next week. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank >>>>>>>> you to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views >>>>>>>> if you can, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will >>>>>>>> feed into the next set >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, >>>>>>>> please see a >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of >>>>>>>> Bestbits. Following a >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well >>>>>>>> as members of IGC, it >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to >>>>>>>> gather views of all members. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information >>>>>>>> note which >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and >>>>>>>> links to the summaries of >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are >>>>>>>> invited to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in >>>>>>>> a timely way, please >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call >>>>>>>> yesterday. For >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the >>>>>>>> list of participants >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways >>>>>>>> forward for >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in >>>>>>>> December and the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both >>>>>>>> Bestbits and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their >>>>>>>> objectives, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we >>>>>>>> agreed to circulate a >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four >>>>>>>> suggested ways forward >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested >>>>>>>> that this survey with >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the >>>>>>>> future of the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to >>>>>>>> both lists shortly, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on >>>>>>>> next steps is >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. >>>>>>>> The full >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've >>>>>>>> updated the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad < >>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the >>>>>>>> best time >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The >>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are >>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. >>>>>>>> Looking forward >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the >>>>>>>> 11th! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways * >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: * >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC < >>>>>>>> http://worldtimebuddy.com/> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: * >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc >>>>>>>> -or-199.48.152.152 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone : >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Dial: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Enter Conference ID : 819760256 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like >>>>>>>> to record and share the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing >>>>>>>> list. Please let us know if >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an >>>>>>>> open mailing list if you >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: * >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and >>>>>>>> IGC lists, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other >>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>> issues faced in >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as >>>>>>>> information sharing >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process >>>>>>>> for decision >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated >>>>>>>> they were available for >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits >>>>>>>> member you can join the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is >>>>>>>> just to have a vague idea >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this >>>>>>>> topic, and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their >>>>>>>> perspectives and the relevant >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to >>>>>>>> touch base >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way >>>>>>>> forward. The discussions here >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and >>>>>>>> Farzaneh has kindly offered to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second >>>>>>>> call to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and >>>>>>>> issues faced >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of >>>>>>>> lists/establishment >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists >>>>>>>> as information sharing >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last >>>>>>>> call, we >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but >>>>>>>> that we also reach out to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background >>>>>>>> and inform the discussion >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end >>>>>>>> of next >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send >>>>>>>> the conference room link >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, >>>>>>>> and have a >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line >>>>>>>> with what Nnenna and Jeremy >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together >>>>>>>> within IGC and Bestbits >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again >>>>>>>> really improve participation? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs >>>>>>>> to be done, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people >>>>>>>> who started >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same >>>>>>>> perceptions and perspectives, same >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems >>>>>>>> unlikely that >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC >>>>>>>> (which many >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having >>>>>>>> some difficulty with >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management >>>>>>>> tasks for the group. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss >>>>>>>> issues and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way >>>>>>>> to do that now or do we need >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering >>>>>>>> Committee >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while >>>>>>>> since it had >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, >>>>>>>> the 2012 ITU >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on >>>>>>>> joint action >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both >>>>>>>> inside and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer >>>>>>>> steering >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that >>>>>>>> had driven >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. >>>>>>>> There were >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various >>>>>>>> participants having >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own >>>>>>>> funding. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability >>>>>>>> resulted in >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set >>>>>>>> of rules >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people >>>>>>>> weren't >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that >>>>>>>> the more >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for >>>>>>>> that. But I >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time >>>>>>>> to it as >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new >>>>>>>> nonprofit >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' >>>>>>>> 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on >>>>>>>> the list: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize >>>>>>>> Economics, 1979 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>> 114D 173B >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>> 114D 173B >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>> 114D 173B >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>> 114D 173B >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 >>>>>>>> 114D 173B >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D >>>>>>>> 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D >>>>>>>> 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D >>>>>>>> 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D >>>>>>>> 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> List help: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> 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> -- >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B >>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 >>>>>>>> > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F >>>>>>>> > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>>> > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>>>>>>> > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS > Coordinator > The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio > MDI Road Kanifing South > P. O. Box 421 Banjul > The Gambia, West Africa > Tel: (220) 4370240 > Fax:(220) 4390793 > Cell:(220) 9912508 > Skype: pons_utd > > > *www.ymca.gm http://jokkolabs.net/en/ > * > > *https://www.netfreedompioneers.org/ > * > > > > *www.waigf.org www,insistglobal.com > www.npoc.org * > > > > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 19:06:41 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:06:41 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed Ian and Farzaneh. Let's get a small group of volunteers to get this moving. The content already exists on the archives site, only a matter of developing fresh site map. This is a longstanding project so there is no need to wait. Happy to be part of the small group with Ian and Farzaneh and happy for Farzaneh to take lead on it. Will be travelling between 20th July and 5th Aug but should be able to contribute. On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:34 pm farzaneh badii, wrote: > Hi Sala > > Thanks. My offer still stands. > > As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get > to work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website > in the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. > > I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything > is there to go live. > > > > Best > > Farzaneh > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:18 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> 1. Thought I would create a separate thread so things are easily tracked. >> >> 2. Jeremy has offered to pay for web hosting. >> >> 3. Farzaneh had offered on 26th June to work with others to build the >> website and restore the archives. >> >> 4. Bruna, suggest you issue a call for volunteers and ask previous >> coordinators like Ian about content. >> >> 5. All the best. >> >> >> Many thanks, >> Sala >> >> >> Many thanks, >> Sala >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- > Farzaneh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 20:22:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (sivasubramanian muthusamy (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:52:14 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 4:19 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a > credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if > there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space! > > If I may summarise: > > 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down the > track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been > restored. > > 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards > website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with > a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic) > > 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, > others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in > place. > Agree with IAN. It is not really important to consider formalizing coordination a pressing priority. Sivasubramanian M I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for instance, > which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no choice but > to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be another one > in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to do > both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will be happy for > whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: > > If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most > supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim > leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from > Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an > interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on > the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections. > > So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am not > happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. > > Ian Peter > - > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Sheetal Kumar" > To: "parminder" > Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" ; "Nnenna Nwakanma" < > nnenna75 at gmail.com>; "governance" > Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero > event and other subjects > > Dear Parminder, all, > > As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing > Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to > join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The > information has been continually shared on both this list/among this > community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to > reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. > That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to > communicate better. > > There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and > what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the > relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not > misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth > identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. > > * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out > here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in > so many circles about it?* > > *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene > reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC > charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this > demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people > simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC > is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit > individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* > > All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by > active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to > reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part > in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there > is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on > here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here > ), that the > existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. > As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this > could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to > move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned > before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations > about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new > group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these > conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC > members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was > decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to > happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve > all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise > are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are > no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. > Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what > I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less > fracture. > > > * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really > is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot > be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for > more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just > the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it > over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it > does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the > coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? > What does one read into it. * > > It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the > discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide > to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. > There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. > So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not > create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but > because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are > seen as a way to start. > > Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on > IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is > that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and > commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should > wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have > pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it > would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could > undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to > them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August > 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then > for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. > And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new > members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we > can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. > Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the > handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss > the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk > relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss > these things. > > So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits > who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a > conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? > > Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. > > Best > > Sheetal > > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder wrote: > >> >> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> >> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >> to merge BB and IGC. >> >> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >> >> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out >> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in >> so many circles about it? >> >> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been stated. >> >> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there >> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there >> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see >> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >> >> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much problem >> with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them somewhere >> on it, no problem. >> >> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >> >> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >> >> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >> >> >> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. It >> is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >> going through to bring things back together. >> >> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >> >> >> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors >> are doing the reminding for me. >> >> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I >> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps >> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so >> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are >> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly >> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >> >> >> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. >> Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >> >> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really is >> insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot be >> the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more >> than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >> What does one read into it. >> >> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >> >> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >> pond. I hope not. >> >> >> parminder >> >> >> Milton L Mueller >> Professor, School of Public Policy >> Georgia Institute of Technology >> >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and >> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it >> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that >> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think >> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as >> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to >> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >> >> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election >> will be given a voter account". >> >> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >> >> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not been >> agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further down >> the line. Perhaps. >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>> >>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>> >>> My 2 cents >>> >>> Nnenna >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be wound >>>> up, so be it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta T. >>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" , governance < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day >>>> zero event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>> >>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>> >>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>> >>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>> >>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up to >>>> to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they want >>>> to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to iGC's >>>> charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify >>>> it). >>>> >>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely use >>>> that language . >>>> >>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>> >>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>> >>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>> >>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>> >>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>> >>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>> >>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>> >>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>> >>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>> >>>> August 5. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>> >>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>> >>>> ensure >>>> >>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>> >>>> done >>>> >>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>> >>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>> >>>> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > > >> List help: >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Jul 18 20:42:08 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <294324005.4071647.1563496928391@mail.yahoo.com> By the way I also have offered coordinators similar option for the immediate revival of the IGCaucus website. I would like to be part of the volunteers working group. Thanks Imran On Friday, 19 July 2019, 04:46:48 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Agreed Ian and Farzaneh.Let's get a small group of volunteers to get this moving. The content already exists on the archives site, only a matter of developing fresh site map. This is a longstanding project so there is no need to wait. Happy to be part of the small group with Ian and Farzaneh and happy for Farzaneh to take lead on it. Will be travelling between 20th July and 5th Aug but should be able to contribute. On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:34 pm farzaneh badii, wrote: Hi Sala Thanks. My offer still stands.  As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get to work. for example we could  convene a small group that ran the website in the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life.  I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything is there to go live.  Best  Farzaneh  On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:18 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" wrote: Dear All, 1. Thought I would create a separate thread so things are easily tracked. 2. Jeremy has offered to pay for web hosting. 3. Farzaneh had offered on 26th June to work with others to build the website and restore the archives. 4. Bruna, suggest you issue a call for volunteers and ask previous coordinators like Ian about content. 5. All the best. Many thanks,Sala Many thanks,Sala--- To unsubscribe: List help: -- Farzaneh --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Jul 19 00:04:26 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:34:26 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> There is going to be no fancy 'leadership group' No one has mentioned its need, justification, etc. I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue till elections, and they should. Sala, you were the greatest proponent for early even intimidate elections. Now, you agree with Ian below that no "immediate coco election" "seems to be he most supported option"? Anyway... If elections are due, they should take place. If they are postponed, clear reasons may be described and action be taken as per.... Charter amendment is out from such a list of reasons... Website work is independent and nothing to do with elections (although remember IGC was never much about a great website, it needs to first gets its 'substance' right which is nearly at about 'zero' right now, but new things are always welcome, pl go ahead. But let not the website volunteer list become anything else meanwhile). Are elections therefore being postponed bec BB members (that are not already in the IGC) need to be able to get to vote  (although no one has really explained why that such a tearing hurry to vote for what everyone agrees is likely a pretty small number, but anyway)?  Pl be clear and specific in response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who know about this matter. election postponement is a big thing.  Thanks. Let us clearly be told why elections are being postponed... If the above BB issue, then we want clarity on; is BB closure and folding into the IGC decided, when would the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, any time lines etc for that.. That alone is the clear issue in front of us, related to coco elections. So please convey clarity to the IGC membership asap on this matter, and I request cocos special attention to this Thanks and regards parminder On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Ditto everything that Ian said. > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com > , > wrote: > > Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a > credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, > even if there are big differences as regards how to revive things > in this space! > > If I may summarise: > > 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed > down the track after a credible web presence and leadership > structure have been restored. > > 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) > regards website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot > take place now with a small group reporting back here. (see > separate topic) > > 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco > election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of months until > other matters are in place. I am not convinced either way - do we > have a membership list, for instance, which is necessary for > elections? If not, there seems to be no choice but to delay. And > if there is one election now, there will also be another one in > less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to > do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will be > happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: > > If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the > most supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an > interim leadership group until it is practical to hold such > elections. Apart from Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and > Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely > necessary, I believe, if the group decides on the call not to > proceed immediately with coco elections. > > So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I > am not happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue.  > > Ian Peter >  - > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Sheetal Kumar" > > To: "parminder" > > Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" >; "Nnenna Nwakanma" >; "governance" > > > Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF > Day zero event and other subjects > >> Dear Parminder, all, >> >> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about >> closing Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not >> already on IGC to join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been >> ongoing for months. The information has been continually shared >> on both this list/among this community and on the Bestbits list. >> Anyway, we could have done more to reach out to key people and >> communicated things more clearly perhaps. That's something I've >> learned. We did try but we can always do more to communicate >> better.  >> >> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity >> on, and what follows is my reading of things as someone who has >> been part of the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do >> hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing >> earlier, I think it's worth identifying what we agree on and then >> work through what we disagree on. >> >> /If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please >> state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working >> space. Why are we going  in so many circles about it?/ >> >> // >> >> /What process is being disregarded, the one about  which >> yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that elections will >> be held after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have been >> asking what is this, who triggered this demand, with what >> objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people simply >> refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, >> IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its membership >> with an explicit individual-based process, there is no merging or >> combining lists here) ./ >> >> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, >> including by active, long-standing and even founding members of >> both, has been how to reinvigorate civil society coordination. It >> was agreed by those taking part in these discussions which have >> been open to everyone from the start (there is a whole archive of >> the discussions that have been continually shared on here and on >> Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >> ), that the >> existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits >> should close. As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, >> in my opinion), this could not simply be a matter of closing the >> list and telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if they >> weren't already members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was more >> than a list too. Instead, we had conversations about it, that >> lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new group. We >> decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these >> conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. >> Founding IGC members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I >> repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it >> would be bizarre for that to happen. Any such process would have >> to respect the IGC charter and involve all members. Of course. >> Anything that has been shared which says otherwise are simply >> unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are >> no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the >> Charter. Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed >> leadership from what I can see, just people trying to steer >> things towards more unity and less fracture. >> >> /Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one >> really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this >> certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal >> are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  would be >> so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility for >> voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months when >> it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does make >> me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such >> insistence!!? What does one read into it. >> / >> >> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in >> the discussions which have been open to everyone since the >> beginning to decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack >> of civil society coordination. There were other proposals like I >> said, including setting up a new group. So here we are. 7 months >> later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not create a new list >> or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but because >> leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are >> seen as a way to start. >> >> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that >> are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its >> 20. My reasoning is that even if one or two of those people join >> and have the energy and commitment to run for elections and >> coordinate going forward, we should wait for them to join. Do we >> have much to lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that we >> could wait for an indefinite period of time and it would just be >> a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could >> undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and >> reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to >> have a call in w/c August 05 (I will send the details soon) and >> we can collectively set a date then for the closure of Bestbits, >> requesting those not already on IGC to join. And then we'll be >> all having this conversation on this list, including new members. >> Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we >> can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 >> months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right >> away, including the handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want >> to wait. Also, we can discuss the day 0 event together. If we >> don't do the closure properly then we risk relevant and >> interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss these >> things. >> >> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of >> Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an >> agenda, and have a conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? >> >> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X.  >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >> > wrote: >> >> >> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in >>> fact trying to merge BB and IGC. >> >> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there >> is no merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, >> and if conditions are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >> >> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please >> state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working >> space. Why are we going  in so many circles about it? >> >> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have >> been stated. >> >> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new >> members can go through their 2 month cooling period.... I >> said that can be done, and there has been no major opposition >> to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I really do not >> understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling >> periods are there for a reason. People who havent ever been >> on the IGC  need to observe, see and know and mingle before >> insisting on some absolute rights to vote for their choice of >> coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >> >> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not >> much problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, >> we can put them somewhere on it, no problem. >> >> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us >> clearly, rather than going in circles and creating so much >> confusion. >> >>> We are trying to create a more unified civil society >>> presence. We don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls >>> around this group. >> >> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB >> people -- other than those who already are there-- from >> joining IGC, ? >> >> >>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as >>> they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to >>> disregard the process we have been going through to bring >>> things back together. >> >> What process is being disregarded, the one about  which >> yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that elections >> will be held after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have >> been asking what is this, who triggered this demand, with >> what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined >> list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to individually take >> its membership with an explicit individual-based process, >> there is no merging or combining lists here) . >> >> >>>  I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant >>> chunk of civil society broke off from IGC to begin with - >>> but it looks like certain actors are doing the reminding for >>> me.  >> >> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a >> confrontational abyss, please do remind us. (Btw,  I was >> among the founding members of BB, and I remember you werent >> around that much in those discussions).  In fact any coming >> back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should >> perhaps be helped by visiting the original conditions of why >> they went away and so on... We are capable of an adult >> conversation here, and should not be afraid. Important public >> facts are always good to know and discuss. And then one may >> also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, >> and what are the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back >> to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker and lost now than >> when they left it. >> >>> >>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the >>> newcomers can vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal >>> is achieved by doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost >>> if we don’t hold elections? >> >> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No >> one really is insisting that we hold elections like today . >> But this certainly cannot be the reason for a process that >> you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more than 6 months >> now. That  would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why >> labour it over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling >> period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and I repeat, why >> such a strong focus on the coordinator election!! IGC is much >> more than that... Why such insistence!!? What does one read >> into it. >> >>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place >>> where they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >> >> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their >> private pond. I hope not. >> >> >> parminder >> >>> >>> Milton L Mueller >>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the >>>> Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what >>>> I don't understand is the disregard for a process that has >>>> been ongoing for months, about a large and until recently >>>> active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >>>> since agreed to close and its members who are not already >>>> part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing >>>> list, it had an active membership, it had a functioning >>>> website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >>>> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and >>>> used to convene an event before the global IGF. And now it >>>> is closing. Who knows how many people who have been part of >>>> that discussion or at least following on Bestbits who are >>>> not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >>>> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the >>>> point remains that this has been a discussion for a few >>>> months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold >>>> the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it makes >>>> sense for them to considering the history of IGC and >>>> Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying >>>> this because I want to run for any elections necessarily, >>>> I've only ever been interested a discussion towards a more >>>> impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >>>> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits >>>> discussion and to take decisions with the Bestbits >>>> discussion in mind (again, because of the history of the >>>> connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>>> >>>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: >>>> Each person who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) >>>> months before the election will be given a voter account". >>>> >>>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined >>>> then they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for >>>> 2-3 months? If there is a time sensitive reason not to, >>>> that would be good to discuss. >>>> >>>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an >>>> idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just >>>> something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Sheetal >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. >>>> Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >>>> >>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it >>>> only takes a click to accept the charter and be added >>>> to the mailing list. >>>> >>>> My 2 cents >>>> >>>> Nnenna >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If >>>> Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus >>>> in the IGC please subscribe to the list and do so. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> *From: *>>> > on >>>> behalf of parminder >>> > >>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>> > >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali >>> >, Sheetal Kumar >>>> >>> > >>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> " >>>> >>> >, "Salanieta T. >>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>> >, >>>> governance >>> > >>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging >>>> Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>> >>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>> >>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>> >>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>> >>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>> >>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>> >>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the >>>> IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not >>>> already in IGC to take that route if they want to. >>>> Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members >>>> adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting >>>> for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). >>>> >>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even >>>> if people loosely use that language . >>>> >>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a >>>> new IGC charter, especially as an already decided >>>> thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>> >>>> And I am further pained for you, being still >>>> perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all >>>> responding to my clear email about how this elist >>>> is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an >>>> ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>> >>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever >>>> steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part >>>> of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >>>> consequence for it. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Arsene >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>> >>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>> >>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>> >>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>> >>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>> >>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>> >>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>> >>>> August 5. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Sheetal >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Bruna, >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>> >>>> IGC >>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Ian Peter >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" >>>> >>>> Cc: "governance" >>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>> >>>> event and other subjects >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Good morning to all! >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>> >>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>> >>>> ensure >>>> >>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>> >>>> done >>>> >>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>> >>>> everyone's attention to. >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> thanks and best regards >>>> >>>>   >>>> >>>> parminder >>>> >>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B >>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> >> * >> * >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 >> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Jul 19 00:10:04 2019 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:40:04 +0530 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <614f8948-fb70-25f7-c6b4-dd9590f674d7@itforchange.net> On 19/07/19 9:34 AM, parminder wrote: > > There is going to be no fancy 'leadership group' > > No one has mentioned its need, justification, etc. > > I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue till elections, and they should. > > Sala, you were the greatest proponent for early even intimidate > immediate > elections. Now, you agree with Ian below that no "immediate coco > election" "seems to be he most supported option"? Anyway... > > If elections are due, they should take place. > > If they are postponed, clear reasons may be described and action be > taken as per.... Charter amendment is out from such a list of > reasons... Website work is independent and nothing to do with > elections (although remember IGC was never much about a great website, > it needs to first gets its 'substance' right which is nearly at about > 'zero' right now, but new things are always welcome, pl go ahead. But > let not the website volunteer list become anything else meanwhile). > > Are elections therefore being postponed bec BB members (that are not > already in the IGC) need to be able to get to vote  (although no one > has really explained why that such a tearing hurry to vote for what > everyone agrees is likely a pretty small number, but anyway)?  Pl be > clear and specific in response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB > who know about this matter. election postponement is a big thing.  > Thanks. > > Let us clearly be told why elections are being postponed... If the > above BB issue, then we want clarity on; is BB closure and folding > into the IGC decided, when would the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, > any time lines etc for that.. > > That alone is the clear issue in front of us, related to coco > elections. So please convey clarity to the IGC membership asap on this > matter, and I request cocos special attention to this > > Thanks and regards > > parminder > > > On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: >> Ditto everything that Ian said. >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> , > > wrote: >> >> Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of >> a credible voice for civil society in the internet governance >> field, even if there are big differences as regards how to revive >> things in this space! >> >> If I may summarise: >> >> 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed >> down the track after a credible web presence and leadership >> structure have been restored. >> >> 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) >> regards website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot >> take place now with a small group reporting back here. (see >> separate topic) >> >> 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco >> election now, others suggest a delay of a couple of months until >> other matters are in place. I am not convinced either way - do we >> have a membership list, for instance, which is necessary for >> elections? If not, there seems to be no choice but to delay. And >> if there is one election now, there will also be another one in >> less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an argument to >> do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will be >> happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: >> >> If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the >> most supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an >> interim leadership group until it is practical to hold such >> elections. Apart from Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and >> Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an interim group is absolutely >> necessary, I believe, if the group decides on the call not to >> proceed immediately with coco elections. >> >> So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but >> I am not happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this >> issue.  >> >> Ian Peter >>  - >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Sheetal Kumar" > > >> To: "parminder" > > >> Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" > >; "Nnenna Nwakanma" >> >; "governance" >> > >> Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >> Day zero event and other subjects >> >>> Dear Parminder, all, >>> >>> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about >>> closing Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not >>> already on IGC to join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been >>> ongoing for months. The information has been continually shared >>> on both this list/among this community and on the Bestbits list. >>> Anyway, we could have done more to reach out to key people and >>> communicated things more clearly perhaps. That's something I've >>> learned. We did try but we can always do more to communicate >>> better.  >>> >>> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity >>> on, and what follows is my reading of things as someone who has >>> been part of the relevant discussions from the beginning so I do >>> hope I'm not misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing >>> earlier, I think it's worth identifying what we agree on and >>> then work through what we disagree on. >>> >>> /If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please >>> state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working >>> space. Why are we going  in so many circles about it?/ >>> >>> // >>> >>> /What process is being disregarded, the one about  which >>> yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that elections >>> will be held after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I have >>> been asking what is this, who triggered this demand, with what >>> objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people simply >>> refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, >>> IGC is not a list, one has to individually take its membership >>> with an explicit individual-based process, there is no merging >>> or combining lists here) ./ >>> >>> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, >>> including by active, long-standing and even founding members of >>> both, has been how to reinvigorate civil society coordination. >>> It was agreed by those taking part in these discussions which >>> have been open to everyone from the start (there is a whole >>> archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on >>> here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >>> ), that the >>> existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits >>> should close. As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, >>> in my opinion), this could not simply be a matter of closing the >>> list and telling everyone to move off onto another (IGC) if they >>> weren't already members. As I mentioned before, Bestbits was >>> more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations about it, >>> that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new >>> group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out >>> of these conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC >>> charter. Founding IGC members were part of this discussion, >>> nothing, and I repeat, nothing was decided or agreed in that >>> regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to happen. Any such >>> process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve all >>> members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says >>> otherwise are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we >>> should move on. There are no reverse takeovers taking place, no >>> desire to rip apart the Charter. Respect for process is key. >>> There is no self-appointed leadership from what I can see, just >>> people trying to steer things towards more unity and less fracture. >>> >>> /Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one >>> really is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this >>> certainly cannot be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal >>> are saying has been on for more than 6 months now. That  would >>> be so very illogical, no..... Is just the issue of eligibility >>> for voting stopping the process, but why labour it over 7 months >>> when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it does >>> make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >>> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such >>> insistence!!? What does one read into it. >>> / >>> >>> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those >>> in the discussions which have been open to everyone since the >>> beginning to decide to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack >>> of civil society coordination. There were other proposals like I >>> said, including setting up a new group. So here we are. 7 months >>> later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not create a new >>> list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but >>> because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, >>> elections are seen as a way to start. >>> >>> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that >>> are not on IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its >>> 20. My reasoning is that even if one or two of those people join >>> and have the energy and commitment to run for elections and >>> coordinate going forward, we should wait for them to join. Do we >>> have much to lose? David and Jeanette have pointed out that we >>> could wait for an indefinite period of time and it would just be >>> a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could >>> undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and >>> reach out to them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to >>> have a call in w/c August 05 (I will send the details soon) and >>> we can collectively set a date then for the closure of Bestbits, >>> requesting those not already on IGC to join. And then we'll be >>> all having this conversation on this list, including new >>> members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 >>> people) we can then decide whether to hold elections right away >>> or wait 2 months. Maybe everyone will want to just hold >>> elections right away, including the handful of new members. Or >>> maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss the day 0 event >>> together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk >>> relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to >>> discuss these things. >>> >>> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of >>> Bestbits who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an >>> agenda, and have a conversation about when to hold elections etc >>> etc? >>> >>> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X.  >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in >>>> fact trying to merge BB and IGC. >>> >>> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, >>> there is no merging happening... Some new people want to >>> join IGC, and if conditions are fulfilled they are indeed >>> welcome. >>> >>> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please >>> state it out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working >>> space. Why are we going  in so many circles about it? >>> >>> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have >>> been stated. >>> >>> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new >>> members can go through their 2 month cooling period.... I >>> said that can be done, and there has been no major >>> opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I really >>> do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on >>> voting right away . That should not be such a big thing. >>> Cooling periods are there for a reason. People who havent >>> ever been on the IGC  need to observe, see and know and >>> mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >>> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence >>> ? What is the plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine >>> either way.) >>> >>> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not >>> much problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC >>> website, we can put them somewhere on it, no problem. >>> >>> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us >>> clearly, rather than going in circles and creating so much >>> confusion. >>> >>>> We are trying to create a more unified civil society >>>> presence. We don’t do that by throwing up procedural walls >>>> around this group. >>> >>> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB >>> people -- other than those who already are there-- from >>> joining IGC, ? >>> >>> >>>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as >>>> they need us. It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to >>>> disregard the process we have been going through to bring >>>> things back together. >>> >>> What process is being disregarded, the one about  which >>> yesterday Arsene reported that it was decided that elections >>> will be held after (1) the IGC charter is amended (and I >>> have been asking what is this, who triggered this demand, >>> with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and >>> people simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a >>> combined list (sorry, IGC is not a list, one has to >>> individually take its membership with an explicit >>> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining >>> lists here) . >>> >>> >>>>  I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant >>>> chunk of civil society broke off from IGC to begin with - >>>> but it looks like certain actors are doing the reminding >>>> for me.  >>> >>> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a >>> confrontational abyss, please do remind us. (Btw,  I was >>> among the founding members of BB, and I remember you werent >>> around that much in those discussions).  In fact any coming >>> back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should >>> perhaps be helped by visiting the original conditions of why >>> they went away and so on... We are capable of an adult >>> conversation here, and should not be afraid. Important >>> public facts are always good to know and discuss. And then >>> one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they >>> were able to achieve the objectives they set themselves for, >>> if not, why, and what are the reasons of BB's dissolution >>> and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly is far weaker >>> and lost now than when they left it. >>> >>>> >>>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the >>>> newcomers can vote. Can someone tell me what positive goal >>>> is achieved by doing that? Can someone tell me what is lost >>>> if we don’t hold elections? >>> >>> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No >>> one really is insisting that we hold elections like today . >>> But this certainly cannot be the reason for a process that >>> you / Sheetal are saying has been on for more than 6 months >>> now. That  would be so very illogical, no..... Is just the >>> issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but >>> why labour it over 7 months when it needs just 2 months >>> cooling period? -- Although it does make me wonder, and I >>> repeat, why such a strong focus on the coordinator >>> election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such >>> insistence!!? What does one read into it. >>> >>>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place >>>> where they can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >>> >>> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC >>> their private pond. I hope not. >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>>> >>>> Milton L Mueller >>>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the >>>>> Charter. It's indeed pretty straightforward. However, what >>>>> I don't understand is the disregard for a process that has >>>>> been ongoing for months, about a large and until recently >>>>> active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >>>>> since agreed to close and its members who are not already >>>>> part of IGC 'join IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing >>>>> list, it had an active membership, it had a functioning >>>>> website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >>>>> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and >>>>> used to convene an event before the global IGF. And now it >>>>> is closing. Who knows how many people who have been part >>>>> of that discussion or at least following on Bestbits who >>>>> are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >>>>> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the >>>>> point remains that this has been a discussion for a few >>>>> months that should, IMHO, have an impact on when to hold >>>>> the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think it >>>>> makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and >>>>> Bestbits (as a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not >>>>> saying this because I want to run for any elections >>>>> necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >>>>> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in >>>>> this space. It just seems to make sense not to disregard >>>>> that Bestbits discussion and to take decisions with the >>>>> Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the history >>>>> of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>>>> >>>>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting >>>>> process: Each person who is subscribed to the list at >>>>> least two (2) months before the election will be given a >>>>> voter account". >>>>> >>>>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC >>>>> joined then they couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we >>>>> wait for 2-3 months? If there is a time sensitive reason >>>>> not to, that would be good to discuss. >>>>> >>>>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an >>>>> idea, its not been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just >>>>> something to discuss, further down the line. Perhaps. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by  Berlin IGF. >>>>> Joining the IGC from BB  should not be  "a process". >>>>> >>>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it >>>>> only takes a click to accept the charter and be added >>>>> to the mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> My 2 cents >>>>> >>>>> Nnenna >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh >>>>> Ramasubramanian >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder.  If >>>>> Bestbits is to be wound up, so be it. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to >>>>> caucus in the IGC please subscribe to the list and >>>>> do so. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> *From: *>>>> > on >>>>> behalf of parminder >>>> > >>>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>> > >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali >>>> >, Sheetal Kumar >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> " >>>>> >>>> >, "Salanieta T. >>>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>> >, >>>>> governance >>>> > >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging >>>>> Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>> >>>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>>> >>>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the >>>>> IGC, and it is up to to those in Bestbits and not >>>>> already in IGC to take that route if they want to. >>>>> Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members >>>>> adhering to iGC's charter (rather than insisting >>>>> for, unclear and unstated reasons, to modify it). >>>>> >>>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even >>>>> if people loosely use that language . >>>>> >>>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about >>>>> a new IGC charter, especially as an already >>>>> decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>>> >>>>> And I am further pained for you, being still >>>>> perhaps an IGC co-coordinator, not at all >>>>> responding to my clear email about how this elist >>>>> is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an >>>>> ex-coordinator's assent tp the sentiment. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>>> >>>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever >>>>> steps you have you may wish to -- that is no part >>>>> of IGC's procedure, and would have no meaning or >>>>> consequence for it. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>>> >>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>> >>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>> >>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>>> >>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>>> >>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>>> >>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>>> >>>>> August 5. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>> >>>>> IGC >>>>> >>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>>> >>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>>> >>>>> back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>>> >>>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>>   >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. 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I don't see a need to wait for new members migrating from Bestbits to be approved and become eligible to vote either: not only there aren't likely to be many such, but elections aren't the only or main activity: even if someone misses voting now they can still be as active as they want otherwise, and participate in the elections next time. And after the lengthy discussion on Bestbits list I'd expect active people there to have subscribed to IGC list already (does anyone have numbers of recent subscriptions?). Not that waiting an extra two months would be a big deal either, especially since I think it'll take at least a month to get it done in any case. As for the website, if a decision is made to move the mailing list as well, I can help there if need be: I've got lots of experience in moving Mailman instances along with their archives &c. -- Tapani Tarvainen From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org Fri Jul 19 01:33:05 2019 From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:33:05 +0300 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 06:34:24PM -0400, farzaneh badii (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > My offer still stands. > > As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get to > work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website in > the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. > > I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything > is there to go live. This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Let's get on with it. -- Tapani Tarvainen From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 01:54:03 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 07:54:03 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Great move, i am sure at some point this small group will need to reach out to Avri Doria and Akinremi Peter for help. Throwing their names here (also cced) just in case they miss this communication! Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:33, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 06:34:24PM -0400, farzaneh badii (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: >> >> My offer still stands. >> >> As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will get to >> work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website in >> the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. >> >> I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until everything >> is there to go live. > > This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Let's get on with it. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 02:12:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:12:18 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re ignorance of the IGC charter In-Reply-To: <20190719052008.GA15581@tarvainen.info> References: <20190719052008.GA15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: <43E930FE-C0F5-4B57-B814-DBC06842A810@gmail.com> If this is approved to move the list at some point, Tapani i am sure you will need Akinremi Peter as part of this process as he was tremendously helpful for the last migration. He can advise! I would really like to thank Peter for his help, dedication and the time he had put into this task (for most of the technical stuffs, Bruna and I always would rely at him) for the past few years of crisis! Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:20, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 09:27:37PM +0000, ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) wrote: >> >> However - right now IGC is in some sort of a crisis of leadership and >> organisational capabilities. I do not believe charter revision is any sort >> of immediate priority in these circumstances: I would suggest getting the >> leadership and the website sorted out are the big priorities, and any >> charter amendments should be way down the list of priorities in the current >> circumstances. > > Agreed. > > Let's get elections organized and move on. > > I don't see a need to wait for new members migrating from Bestbits to > be approved and become eligible to vote either: not only there aren't > likely to be many such, but elections aren't the only or main > activity: even if someone misses voting now they can still be as > active as they want otherwise, and participate in the elections next > time. And after the lengthy discussion on Bestbits list I'd expect > active people there to have subscribed to IGC list already (does > anyone have numbers of recent subscriptions?). > > Not that waiting an extra two months would be a big deal either, > especially since I think it'll take at least a month to get it > done in any case. > > As for the website, if a decision is made to move the mailing list as > well, I can help there if need be: I've got lots of experience in > moving Mailman instances along with their archives &c. > > -- > Tapani Tarvainen > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 02:39:32 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:39:32 +1200 Subject: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Dear All, We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the community. If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* *Website Development Team* *Confirmed* - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) - Farzaneh Badii (technical) - Ian Peter (content) - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* - Avri Doria - Akinremi Peter *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm *Suggested General Strategy* - To create a Project Timeline - To develop a Site Map - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on the site - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members to comment - Launch the website Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:54 PM Arsène Tungali wrote: > Great move, i am sure at some point this small group will need to reach > out to Avri Doria and Akinremi Peter for help. Throwing their names here > (also cced) just in case they miss this communication! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:33, Tapani Tarvainen > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 06:34:24PM -0400, farzaneh badii ( > governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > >> > >> My offer still stands. > >> > >> As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will > get to > >> work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website > in > >> the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. > >> > >> I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until > everything > >> is there to go live. > > > > This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Let's get on with it. > > > > -- > > Tapani Tarvainen > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. 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Traditionally, the list of members have always been published including those who had voted in previous elections. 3. Obviously, this information will have to be pieced from Archives. 4. It worried me that Bruna had mentioned that in her mind if there were elections there would only be 5 people voting and I assume she based that on the number of people she saw commenting. 5. There are many who lurk, merely observe and are not engaged unless something interests them or catches their attention to participate. 6. To this end the challenge for IGC Leadership is to ensure that every member is engaged. 7. I would like to ask Bruna to start working on getting the list of members and identify those that voted in the last elections. 8. This may already exist in the Archives. 9. Also information on how to subscribe to the IGC and commit to following its charter. 10. Parminder had highlighted the cooling period between when one joins and when one participates. 11. If anyone has any questions or issues about membership, suggest they raise it here. 12. When the website goes up, it will obviously be easier to subscribe individually. Best Wishes -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 03:13:10 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Chaitanya Dhareshwar (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:43:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGC Membership [Restoring Archives and other related matters] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Sala. I agree on point #5, personally, I've been a lurker since 2014-sometime but try to read as many of the messages as possible (across the fora that I participate in). I am looking forward to #9 - how to continue my participation (albeit passive). I'm writing mainly to address point #4 - because a decrease in the coordinator's confidence in the list can undermine the integrity & life of the list... Bruna, it's worth noting that many valuable participants may not remain consistently active, but are still participants who greatly value the list and what it means to be a part of it. Best regards, Chaitanya On Fri 19 Jul, 2019, 12:20 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > > 1. I remember that at one stage, the membership list was between 80 to > 100 or even more. > 2. Traditionally, the list of members have always been published > including those who had voted in previous elections. > 3. Obviously, this information will have to be pieced from Archives. > 4. It worried me that Bruna had mentioned that in her mind if there > were elections there would only be 5 people voting and I assume she based > that on the number of people she saw commenting. > 5. There are many who lurk, merely observe and are not engaged unless > something interests them or catches their attention to participate. > 6. To this end the challenge for IGC Leadership is to ensure that > every member is engaged. > 7. I would like to ask Bruna to start working on getting the list of > members and identify those that voted in the last elections. > 8. This may already exist in the Archives. > 9. Also information on how to subscribe to the IGC and commit to > following its charter. > 10. Parminder had highlighted the cooling period between when one > joins and when one participates. > 11. If anyone has any questions or issues about membership, suggest > they raise it here. > 12. When the website goes up, it will obviously be easier to subscribe > individually. > > Best Wishes > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 04:18:09 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:18:09 +1200 Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) In-Reply-To: References: <20190719053305.GB15581@tarvainen.info> Message-ID: Dear All. I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. For a bird's eye view: [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] followed by Migration and website maintenance. [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] Kind Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further > comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. > We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise > in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can > continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can > oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the > community. > > If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. > > *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* > > *Website Development Team* > > *Confirmed* > > - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) > - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) > - Farzaneh Badii (technical) > - Ian Peter (content) > - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) > > *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* > > - Avri Doria > - Akinremi Peter > > > *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm > > *Suggested General Strategy* > > - To create a Project Timeline > - To develop a Site Map > - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on > the site > - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team > - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members > to comment > - Launch the website > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC Website (Way Forward) >Dear All. > >I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be >good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today >and getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for >migration issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet >that is attached. > >For a bird's eye view: > >Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png > > >followed by Migration and website maintenance. > >Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png > > > >Kind Regards, >Sala > >On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >>Dear All, >> >>We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to >>help. We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who >>specialise in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start >>and people can continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst >>working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report >>back to Bruna and the community. >> >>If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >> >>Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks >> >>Website Development Team >> >>Confirmed >>Imran Ahmed Shah (technical)Tapani Tarvainen (technical)Farzaneh >>Badii (technical)Ian Peter (content)Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro >>(content) >>Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions >>Avri Doria Akinremi Peter >> >>Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting: Jeremy Malcolm >> >>Suggested General Strategy >>To create a Project TimelineTo develop a Site MapTo find archived >>information for the purposes of restoring these on the siteDevelop a >>Technical Team and a Content TeamOnce this is ready, can invite all >>former coordinators and members to commentLaunch the website >> >>Kind Regards, >>Sala >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on end. Best Regards, Sala On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website in > stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before > commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing > existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then > looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh > suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC > Website (Way Forward) > > Dear All. > > I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good > for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and > getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration > issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is > attached. > > For a bird's eye view: > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] > > followed by Migration and website maintenance. > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] > > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >> community. >> >> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >> >> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >> >> *Website Development Team* >> >> *Confirmed* >> >> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >> - Ian Peter (content) >> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >> >> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >> >> - Avri Doria >> - Akinremi Peter >> >> >> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >> >> *Suggested General Strategy* >> >> - To create a Project Timeline >> - To develop a Site Map >> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these on >> the site >> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members >> to comment >> - Launch the website >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. > Be great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some > which are in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be > out of range for a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide > work so it is faster such as content, technical and design but I defer > to your preference as I will be intermittently responding from here on > end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > wrote: > > Hi Sala, > > earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new > website in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this > happening before commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path > forward like importing existing (still relevant) content and > outline to a new basic site, and then looking at enhancements?  In > any case I would like to see how Farzeneh suggests we proceed. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > To: "governance" > > Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM > Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ > Was IGC Website (Way Forward) > >> Dear All. >> >> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and >> be good for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is >> starting today and getting it ready by end of August with the >> view of observing for migration issues in September, 2019. For >> details, see Excel spreadsheet that is attached. >> >> For a bird's eye view: >> >> Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png >> >> followed by Migration and website maintenance.  >> >> Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> > > wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any >> further comments. As you can see, you have support of people >> stepping up to help. We need some more volunteers and be good >> to have some people who specialise in graphics or are >> naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst >> working. Bruna can oversee the work and a Website Project >> lead, report back to Bruna and the community. >> >> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can >> start.  >> >> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >> >> *Website Development Team* >> >> *Confirmed* >> >> * Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >> * Tapani Tarvainen  (technical) >> * Farzaneh Badii (technical) >> * Ian Peter  (content) >> * Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >> >> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >> >> * Avri Doria  >> * Akinremi Peter >> >> >> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >> >> *Suggested General Strategy* >> >> * To create a Project Timeline >> * To develop a Site Map >> * To find archived information for the purposes of >> restoring these on the site >> * Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >> * Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators >> and members to comment >> * Launch the website >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> > > > -- > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T > * > *P. O. Box 17862 > * > *Suva > * > *Republic of Fiji > > * > *Cell: +679 7656770; > * > *Home: +679 3362003 > * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > /* > */ > /*"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." > > Aristotle*/ > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to Arsene, Bruna, Avria, and Jeremy, who responded and offered help during this period. Going forward, I would like to remind us to use a simple system for ease of maintenance and migration. And that, of hosting provider that won't fade away soon. I would be happy to contribute if there is a chance to do so. Regards. Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:31 AM avri at acm.org wrote: > Hi, > > I never left and follow with continuing interest. I am willing to help > whenever called upon to do so. > > > Avri > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Arsène Tungali > Date: 7/19/19 07:54 (GMT+01:00) > To: Tapani Tarvainen > Cc: governance at lists.riseup.net, avri at acm.org, Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > compsoftnet at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Website (Way Forward) > > Great move, i am sure at some point this small group will need to reach > out to Avri Doria and Akinremi Peter for help. Throwing their names here > (also cced) just in case they miss this communication! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:33, Tapani Tarvainen > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 06:34:24PM -0400, farzaneh badii ( > governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > >> > >> My offer still stands. > >> > >> As soon as there is an agreement on the best course of action I will > get to > >> work. for example we could convene a small group that ran the website > in > >> the past, collect the bits and pieces and bring it back to life. > >> > >> I think we should start rebuilding it slowly and not wait until > everything > >> is there to go live. > > > > This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Let's get on with it. > > > > -- > > Tapani Tarvainen > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > -- Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me know how and when and to whom. > > Anriette > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/07/19 10:34, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Good Point Ian. Be good Farzaneh for you to take the lead from here. Be > great to see how you envisage the stages. I have suggested some which are > in the earlier email. I am on a flight tomorrow so will be out of range for > a couple of days. I would recommend that we divide work so it is faster > such as content, technical and design but I defer to your preference as I > will be intermittently responding from here on end. > > Best Regards, > Sala > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 8:27 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sala, >> >> earlier on Farzeneh suggested the concept of developing the new website >> in stages - I would like to see how she envisages this happening before >> commiting to any timetable. Perhaps a simple path forward like importing >> existing (still relevant) content and outline to a new basic site, and then >> looking at enhancements? In any case I would like to see how Farzeneh >> suggests we proceed. >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 19/07/2019 6:18:09 PM >> Subject: [governance] Draft Project Plan for Website Restoration/ Was IGC >> Website (Way Forward) >> >> Dear All. >> >> I have enclosed a Draft Project Plan to kickstart the process and be good >> for you all to see if the dates are doable. This is starting today and >> getting it ready by end of August with the view of observing for migration >> issues in September, 2019. For details, see Excel spreadsheet that is >> attached. >> >> For a bird's eye view: >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png] >> >> followed by Migration and website maintenance. >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.16.38 PM.png] >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We need to get cracking. Bruna, let us know if you have any further >>> comments. As you can see, you have support of people stepping up to help. >>> We need some more volunteers and be good to have some people who specialise >>> in graphics or are naturally artistic. I think we can start and people can >>> continue to volunteer and we just slide them in whilst working. Bruna can >>> oversee the work and a Website Project lead, report back to Bruna and the >>> community. >>> >>> If there are no pressing objections to the work, then we can start. >>> >>> *Suggested Timeline: 2 weeks* >>> >>> *Website Development Team* >>> >>> *Confirmed* >>> >>> - Imran Ahmed Shah (technical) >>> - Tapani Tarvainen (technical) >>> - Farzaneh Badii (technical) >>> - Ian Peter (content) >>> - Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro (content) >>> >>> *Yet To Be Confirmed from suggestions* >>> >>> - Avri Doria >>> - Akinremi Peter >>> >>> >>> *Confirmed Sponsor for Web Hosting:* Jeremy Malcolm >>> >>> *Suggested General Strategy* >>> >>> - To create a Project Timeline >>> - To develop a Site Map >>> - To find archived information for the purposes of restoring these >>> on the site >>> - Develop a Technical Team and a Content Team >>> - Once this is ready, can invite all former coordinators and members >>> to comment >>> - Launch the website >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >>> > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2019-07-19 at 8.15.21 PM.png Type: image/png Size: 64778 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This needs to be done in democratic way with proper values of transperancy and accountability in selecting the person and process. The main question that comes here is why are we all beating the bush. The civil society process needs to be clear about the selection process in the most transperant and accountabile way. The revival of ICG or merger is not a question but the LEADERSHIP is. If with such chaos and lack of credibility if we revive or representated the civil society group it will always be lacking the democratice values. The difference in between mutual understanding and having election is a small thing but the process is what is IMPORTANT. If anything done wrong in the right process, it can be corrected with proper values but anything done with the wrong process starts a new trend of manipulation, power and politcs Just my two cent comment from a least developed country. Shreedeep Rayamajhi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreedeep_Rayamajhi On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 6:07 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 4:19 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a >> credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if >> there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space! >> >> If I may summarise: >> >> 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down >> the track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been >> restored. >> >> 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards >> website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with >> a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic) >> >> 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, >> others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in >> place. >> > > Agree with IAN. It is not really important to consider formalizing > coordination a pressing priority. > > Sivasubramanian M > > I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for >> instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no >> choice but to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be >> another one in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an >> argument to do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will >> be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: >> > >> If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most >> supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim >> leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from >> Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an >> interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on >> the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections. >> >> So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am not >> happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. >> >> Ian Peter >> - >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Sheetal Kumar" >> To: "parminder" >> Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" ; "Nnenna Nwakanma" < >> nnenna75 at gmail.com>; "governance" >> Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >> event and other subjects >> >> Dear Parminder, all, >> >> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing >> Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to >> join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The >> information has been continually shared on both this list/among this >> community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to >> reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. >> That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to >> communicate better. >> >> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and >> what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the >> relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not >> misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth >> identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. >> >> * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >> out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going >> in so many circles about it?* >> >> *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* >> >> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by >> active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to >> reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part >> in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there >> is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on >> here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >> ), that the >> existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. >> As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this >> could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to >> move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned >> before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations >> about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new >> group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these >> conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC >> members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was >> decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to >> happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve >> all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise >> are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are >> no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. >> Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what >> I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less >> fracture. >> >> >> * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >> What does one read into it. * >> >> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the >> discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide >> to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. >> There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. >> So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not >> create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but >> because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are >> seen as a way to start. >> >> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on >> IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is >> that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and >> commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should >> wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have >> pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it >> would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could >> undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to >> them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August >> 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then >> for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. >> And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new >> members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we >> can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. >> Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the >> handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss >> the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk >> relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss >> these things. >> >> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits >> who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a >> conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? >> >> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>> >>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >>> to merge BB and IGC. >>> >>> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >>> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >>> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >>> >>> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out >>> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in >>> so many circles about it? >>> >>> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been >>> stated. >>> >>> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >>> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there >>> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >>> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >>> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there >>> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see >>> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >>> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >>> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >>> >>> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much >>> problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them >>> somewhere on it, no problem. >>> >>> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >>> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >>> >>> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >>> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >>> >>> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >>> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >>> >>> >>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. >>> It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >>> going through to bring things back together. >>> >>> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >>> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >>> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >>> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >>> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >>> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >>> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >>> >>> >>> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >>> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors >>> are doing the reminding for me. >>> >>> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >>> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I >>> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >>> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps >>> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so >>> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >>> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >>> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >>> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are >>> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly >>> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >>> >>> >>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. >>> Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >>> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >>> >>> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >>> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >>> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >>> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >>> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >>> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >>> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >>> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >>> What does one read into it. >>> >>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >>> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >>> >>> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >>> pond. I hope not. >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> Milton L Mueller >>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >>> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >>> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and >>> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >>> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it >>> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >>> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >>> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >>> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >>> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that >>> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >>> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think >>> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as >>> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >>> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >>> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >>> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to >>> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >>> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>> >>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >>> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election >>> will be given a voter account". >>> >>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >>> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >>> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >>> >>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not >>> been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further >>> down the line. Perhaps. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>>> >>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>>> >>>> My 2 cents >>>> >>>> Nnenna >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be >>>>> wound up, so be it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta >>>>> T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , >>>>> governance >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>>> Day zero event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>> >>>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>>> >>>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up >>>>> to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they >>>>> want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to >>>>> iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to >>>>> modify it). >>>>> >>>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely >>>>> use that language . >>>>> >>>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>>> >>>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>>> >>>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>>> >>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>> >>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>> >>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>>> >>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>>> >>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>>> >>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>>> >>>>> August 5. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>> >>>>> IGC >>>>> >>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>>> >>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>>> >>>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>>> >>>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >> > >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Jul 19 07:05:37 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:05:37 +0100 Subject: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects In-Reply-To: <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> References: <2e36d032-12cb-3661-bd59-c2b3f2bbf6fd@itforchange.net> <741b4b37-a48e-b6f7-32e7-531bb5e03814@itforchange.net> <27ce1d36-ce82-4721-9edd-bcbc5c72af14@itforchange.net> <136c4125-9a38-89f0-3c20-ac963e5a60b7@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I can't agree more with Parminder points that IGC is not measured by website presence but of substance. Making IGC to have substance should be our main priority. Currently, we have *665* subscribers on the riseup mailing list, but not up to 10 names shows up frequently on the list. Safe me the question of "how", migrated members please. Maybe, we need to start asking ourselves valid questions as to whether others are not participating. To get us to speed, I'll suggest, if visible, that the coordinators reach out to the subscribers to confirm their interest and active participation. Or a kind of roll call that confirm members' presence. And BB member, if willing to be added to build a functioning and active list before any election. With that, the substance as mentioned by Parminder can be seen and restored. Regards. Peter On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:04 AM parminder wrote: > There is going to be no fancy 'leadership group' > > No one has mentioned its need, justification, etc. > > I dont mind Arsene and Bruno to continue till elections, and they should. > > Sala, you were the greatest proponent for early even intimidate elections. > Now, you agree with Ian below that no "immediate coco election" "seems to > be he most supported option"? Anyway... > > If elections are due, they should take place. > > If they are postponed, clear reasons may be described and action be taken > as per.... Charter amendment is out from such a list of reasons... Website > work is independent and nothing to do with elections (although remember IGC > was never much about a great website, it needs to first gets its > 'substance' right which is nearly at about 'zero' right now, but new things > are always welcome, pl go ahead. But let not the website volunteer list > become anything else meanwhile). > > Are elections therefore being postponed bec BB members (that are not > already in the IGC) need to be able to get to vote (although no one has > really explained why that such a tearing hurry to vote for what everyone > agrees is likely a pretty small number, but anyway)? Pl be clear and > specific in response -- both, the cocos, and those from BB who know about > this matter. election postponement is a big thing. Thanks. > > Let us clearly be told why elections are being postponed... If the above > BB issue, then we want clarity on; is BB closure and folding into the IGC > decided, when would the non IGC members enrol in the IGC, any time lines > etc for that.. > > That alone is the clear issue in front of us, related to coco elections. > So please convey clarity to the IGC membership asap on this matter, and I > request cocos special attention to this > > Thanks and regards > > parminder > > > On 19/07/19 4:37 AM, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Ditto everything that Ian said. > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:49 pm ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Well its good to see so many people who care about the future of a >> credible voice for civil society in the internet governance field, even if >> there are big differences as regards how to revive things in this space! >> >> If I may summarise: >> >> 1. IGC Charter revisions are not urgent. They should be discussed down >> the track after a credible web presence and leadership structure have been >> restored. >> >> 2. We have offers of assistance (including Farzeneh and Jeremy) regards >> website restoration. There is no reason why this cannot take place now with >> a small group reporting back here. (see separate topic) >> >> 3. Regarding leadership. Many strong voices argue for coco election now, >> others suggest a delay of a couple of months until other matters are in >> place. I am not convinced either way - do we have a membership list, for >> instance, which is necessary for elections? If not, there seems to be no >> choice but to delay. And if there is one election now, there will also be >> another one in less than six months when Bruna's term expires. So an >> argument to do both together in a few months is reasonable perhaps. I will >> be happy for whatever outcome the call suggests for this, BUT:::::: >> >> If there is not an immediate coco election, which seems to be the most >> supported option, I believe it is essential; we agree to an interim >> leadership group until it is practical to hold such elections. Apart from >> Bruna, capable names like Sheeta and Farzeneh have been mentioned. Such an >> interim group is absolutely necessary, I believe, if the group decides on >> the call not to proceed immediately with coco elections. >> >> So I am happy whichever way the call determines on this one: but I am not >> happy for there to be no action at all to resolve this issue. >> >> Ian Peter >> - >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Sheetal Kumar" >> To: "parminder" >> Cc: "Mueller, Milton L" ; "Nnenna Nwakanma" < >> nnenna75 at gmail.com>; "governance" >> Sent: 18/07/2019 7:43:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >> event and other subjects >> >> Dear Parminder, all, >> >> As you and others have pointed out, the conversation about closing >> Bestbits and requesting any members there who are not already on IGC to >> join IGC (aka 'merger' to some) has been ongoing for months. The >> information has been continually shared on both this list/among this >> community and on the Bestbits list. Anyway, we could have done more to >> reach out to key people and communicated things more clearly perhaps. >> That's something I've learned. We did try but we can always do more to >> communicate better. >> >> There are just a few things which Parminder you've asked clarity on, and >> what follows is my reading of things as someone who has been part of the >> relevant discussions from the beginning so I do hope I'm not >> misrepresenting anything. As Farzaneh was doing earlier, I think it's worth >> identifying what we agree on and then work through what we disagree on. >> >> * If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it >> out here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going >> in so many circles about it?* >> >> *What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) .* >> >> All that has been discussed, on both IGC and Bestbits lists, including by >> active, long-standing and even founding members of both, has been how to >> reinvigorate civil society coordination. It was agreed by those taking part >> in these discussions which have been open to everyone from the start (there >> is a whole archive of the discussions that have been continually shared on >> here and on Bestbits, including in the etherpad here >> ), that the >> existence of both Bestbits and IGC wasn't helping so Bestbits should close. >> As we are all sticklers for process (a good thing, in my opinion), this >> could not simply be a matter of closing the list and telling everyone to >> move off onto another (IGC) if they weren't already members. As I mentioned >> before, Bestbits was more than a list too. Instead, we had conversations >> about it, that lasted months. Some people even wanted to create a new >> group. We decided not to. Among some suggestions that came out of these >> conversations was the opportunity to revise the IGC charter. Founding IGC >> members were part of this discussion, nothing, and I repeat, nothing was >> decided or agreed in that regard. Indeed it would be bizarre for that to >> happen. Any such process would have to respect the IGC charter and involve >> all members. Of course. Anything that has been shared which says otherwise >> are simply unfortunate misunderstandings, and we should move on. There are >> no reverse takeovers taking place, no desire to rip apart the Charter. >> Respect for process is key. There is no self-appointed leadership from what >> I can see, just people trying to steer things towards more unity and less >> fracture. >> >> >> * Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >> What does one read into it. * >> >> It may seem bizarre, but honestly, it just took ages for those in the >> discussions which have been open to everyone since the beginning to decide >> to close Bestbits as a 'solution' to a lack of civil society coordination. >> There were other proposals like I said, including setting up a new group. >> So here we are. 7 months later, with agreement to close Bestbits and not >> create a new list or do something else. IGC is more than a list, sure, but >> because leadership is I guess key to reinvigorating things, elections are >> seen as a way to start. >> >> Also, others have asked 'how many people are on Bestbits' that are not on >> IGC? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe its 2, maybe its 20. My reasoning is >> that even if one or two of those people join and have the energy and >> commitment to run for elections and coordinate going forward, we should >> wait for them to join. Do we have much to lose? David and Jeanette have >> pointed out that we could wait for an indefinite period of time and it >> would just be a for a handful of people to join. That is true, so we could >> undertake an exercise comparing who is not on both lists and reach out to >> them directly. Alternatively, we are planning to have a call in w/c August >> 05 (I will send the details soon) and we can collectively set a date then >> for the closure of Bestbits, requesting those not already on IGC to join. >> And then we'll be all having this conversation on this list, including new >> members. Once new BB members have joined (even if its just 2-3 people) we >> can then decide whether to hold elections right away or wait 2 months. >> Maybe everyone will want to just hold elections right away, including the >> handful of new members. Or maybe they'll want to wait. Also, we can discuss >> the day 0 event together. If we don't do the closure properly then we risk >> relevant and interested people losing out on the opportunity to discuss >> these things. >> >> So, can we agree that we set a date and time by which members of Bestbits >> who are not members of IGC join IGC and then we set an agenda, and have a >> conversation about when to hold elections etc etc? >> >> Also, btw the day 0 event is from 16h00-18h00 in Room X. >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal >> >> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:35, parminder >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 17/07/19 11:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>> >>> What Sheetal says below is correct in my opinion. We are in fact trying >>> to merge BB and IGC. >>> >>> Only loosely speaking, formally from IGC point of view, there is no >>> merging happening... Some new people want to join IGC, and if conditions >>> are fulfilled they are indeed welcome. >>> >>> If there is anything more? If so, everyone involved, please state it out >>> here, explicitly, on the IGC's primary working space. Why are we going in >>> so many circles about it? >>> >>> Lately, two specific, and what I consider minor, issues have been >>> stated. >>> >>> 1. Can enough time be given to elections so that the new members can go >>> through their 2 month cooling period.... I said that can be done, and there >>> has been no major opposition to it (Although, frankly, if you ask me, I >>> really do not understand why this hurry and absolute insistence on voting >>> right away . That should not be such a big thing. Cooling periods are there >>> for a reason. People who havent ever been on the IGC need to observe, see >>> and know and mingle before insisting on some absolute rights to vote for >>> their choice of coordinator. So, why, really this insistence ? What is the >>> plan? But anyway, I really said I am fine either way.) >>> >>> 2. What to do with BB's web archives, and again there is not much >>> problem with it. Whenever we have a working IGC website, we can put them >>> somewhere on it, no problem. >>> >>> What else? Is there anything more? Why dont people tell us clearly, >>> rather than going in circles and creating so much confusion. >>> >>> We are trying to create a more unified civil society presence. We don’t >>> do that by throwing up procedural walls around this group. >>> >>> Can you be explicit? what procedural walls are blocking BB people -- >>> other than those who already are there-- from joining IGC, ? >>> >>> >>> Face facts, IGC needs the people from BB just as much as they need us. >>> It is destructive, as Sheetal says, to disregard the process we have been >>> going through to bring things back together. >>> >>> What process is being disregarded, the one about which yesterday Arsene >>> reported that it was decided that elections will be held after (1) the IGC >>> charter is amended (and I have been asking what is this, who triggered this >>> demand, with what objectives, what justifications, and so on, and people >>> simply refuse to answer), and (2) when their is a combined list (sorry, IGC >>> is not a list, one has to individually take its membership with an explicit >>> individual-based process, there is no merging or combining lists here) . >>> >>> >>> I hope I don’t need to remind people why a significant chunk of civil >>> society broke off from IGC to begin with - but it looks like certain actors >>> are doing the reminding for me. >>> >>> Sure, Milton, since you are now going towards a confrontational abyss, >>> please do remind us. (Btw, I was among the founding members of BB, and I >>> remember you werent around that much in those discussions). In fact any >>> coming back of BB member to IGC -- if you really think so --should perhaps >>> be helped by visiting the original conditions of why they went away and so >>> on... We are capable of an adult conversation here, and should not be >>> afraid. Important public facts are always good to know and discuss. And >>> then one may also discuss what happened with BB, whether they were able to >>> achieve the objectives they set themselves for, if not, why, and what are >>> the reasons of BB's dissolution and coming back to an IGC, which admittedly >>> is far weaker and lost now than when they left it. >>> >>> >>> It is exclusionary to hold elections now, before the newcomers can vote. >>> Can someone tell me what positive goal is achieved by doing that? Can >>> someone tell me what is lost if we don’t hold elections? >>> >>> Any newcomer needs just 2 months of membership to vote.. No one really >>> is insisting that we hold elections like today . But this certainly cannot >>> be the reason for a process that you / Sheetal are saying has been on for >>> more than 6 months now. That would be so very illogical, no..... Is just >>> the issue of eligibility for voting stopping the process, but why labour it >>> over 7 months when it needs just 2 months cooling period? -- Although it >>> does make me wonder, and I repeat, why such a strong focus on the >>> coordinator election!! IGC is much more than that... Why such insistence!!? >>> What does one read into it. >>> >>> Do some people like for IGC to be a small and hostile place where they >>> can be a big fish in a small pond? I hope not. >>> >>> (Just to match) Or are some people planning to make IGC their private >>> pond. I hope not. >>> >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> Milton L Mueller >>> Professor, School of Public Policy >>> Georgia Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 14:07, Sheetal Kumar wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I agree that it is easy to join IGC if you sign up to the Charter. It's >>> indeed pretty straightforward. However, what I don't understand is the >>> disregard for a process that has been ongoing for months, about a large and >>> until recently active splinter group of IGC (namely, Bestbits) which has >>> since agreed to close and its members who are not already part of IGC 'join >>> IGC'. Bestbits was not just a mailing list, it had an active membership, it >>> had a functioning website, it had a steering group, it used to coordinate, >>> and more. It also had its own membership of the CSCG and used to convene an >>> event before the global IGF. And now it is closing. Who knows how many >>> people who have been part of that discussion or at least following on >>> Bestbits who are not on IGC would like to be part of the IGC elections? >>> Whether its semantic or not to call it a 'merger', the point remains that >>> this has been a discussion for a few months that should, IMHO, have an >>> impact on when to hold the IGC elections. They don't have to, but I think >>> it makes sense for them to considering the history of IGC and Bestbits (as >>> a splinter group of IGC). Also, I'm not saying this because I want to run >>> for any elections necessarily, I've only ever been interested a discussion >>> towards a more impactful and coordinated civil society in this space. It >>> just seems to make sense not to disregard that Bestbits discussion and to >>> take decisions with the Bestbits discussion in mind (again, because of the >>> history of the connection between Bestbits and IGC). >>> >>> I've looked at the IGC Charter and it says "Voting process: Each person >>> who is subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election >>> will be given a voter account". >>> >>> So, even if Bestbits members who are not part of IGC joined then they >>> couldn't vote right away. Shouldn't we wait for 2-3 months? If there is a >>> time sensitive reason not to, that would be good to discuss. >>> >>> For clarity, revising the IGC charter was only ever an idea, its not >>> been agreed to anywhere by anyone. It's just something to discuss, further >>> down the line. Perhaps. >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 12:40, Nnenna Nwakanma < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I think we can pull off an IGC elections by Berlin IGF. >>>> Joining the IGC from BB should not be "a process". >>>> >>>> Once an individual decides that it is worth it.. it only takes a click >>>> to accept the charter and be added to the mailing list. >>>> >>>> My 2 cents >>>> >>>> Nnenna >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian < >>>> suresh at hserus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Much to my surprise I agree with Parminder. If Bestbits is to be >>>>> wound up, so be it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After which, those from Bestbits who wish to caucus in the IGC please >>>>> subscribe to the list and do so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: * on behalf of parminder < >>>>> parminder at itforchange.net> >>>>> *Reply to: *parminder >>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17 July 2019 at 4:50 pm >>>>> *To: *Arsène Tungali , Sheetal Kumar < >>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org> >>>>> *Cc: *"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" , "Salanieta >>>>> T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" , >>>>> governance >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF >>>>> Day zero event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 3:25 PM, Arsène Tungali wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last >>>>> >>>>> ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co >>>>> >>>>> elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter >>>>> >>>>> has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was >>>>> >>>>> planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are. >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you mean about a unified list... >>>>> >>>>> There is a clear, and rather easy, way to join the IGC, and it is up >>>>> to to those in Bestbits and not already in IGC to take that route if they >>>>> want to. Meanwhile we do welcome all civil society members adhering to >>>>> iGC's charter (rather than insisting for, unclear and unstated reasons, to >>>>> modify it). >>>>> >>>>> And there is really no merger involved here, even if people loosely >>>>> use that language . >>>>> >>>>> I remain astonished about the repeated talk about a new IGC charter, >>>>> especially as an already decided thing! What exactly are you talking about. >>>>> >>>>> And I am further pained for you, being still perhaps an IGC >>>>> co-coordinator, not at all responding to my clear email about how this >>>>> elist is the primary work place for the IGC, and also an ex-coordinator's >>>>> assent tp the sentiment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps. >>>>> >>>>> You can make whatever calls and agree on whatever steps you have you >>>>> may wish to -- that is no part of IGC's procedure, and would have no >>>>> meaning or consequence for it. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Arsene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we have >>>>> >>>>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need to >>>>> >>>>> take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has been >>>>> >>>>> agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but likely >>>>> >>>>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join to join >>>>> >>>>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to agree >>>>> >>>>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be w/c >>>>> >>>>> August 5. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Sheetal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bruna, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On a more substantive matter - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting the >>>>> >>>>> IGC >>>>> >>>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On June 26 >>>>> >>>>> you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would get >>>>> >>>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Parminder" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "governance" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero >>>>> >>>>> event and other subjects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agree with Parminder. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good morning to all! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan it... >>>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please >>>>> >>>>> ensure >>>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can be >>>>> >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the main >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I request >>>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> parminder >>>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >> > >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Peter Taiwo Akinremi about.me/petertaiwoakinremi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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