[governance] Formal Objection to consensus call

[Louis Pouzin (well)]

Hi all,

Let's be realistic. The consensus rules are stated so that there can't be
any solution. Close the subject, and what next ?

Btw, nothing prevents a group of individuals from sending the proposed
text, if they sign their own name as IGC member's personal position.

Louis
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On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>wrote:

> +1 added to which, believe me, it doesn't pay to intervene much too often
> when interacting directly with heads of state.  Get quoted by a Brazilian
> newspaper that her aides can send her a copy of and you achieve your
> purpose. Once you agree on the text.
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> > On 13-Oct-2013, at 19:02, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Co-ordinators,
> >
> > I don't know what makes an objection formal, but at this point I object
> to the entire process you are rushing through.
> >
> > I beleive:
> >
> > - you do not have consensus on sending a letter
> > - you do not  have agreement on wording of a letter.
> >
> > I do not know what you mean by a formal objection - do you mean I have
> to start an appeals team process.  If necessary I will.  You are using
> silence much too much, especially when fewer the 10% of the membership are
> participating and the length of time you give is too short.  In fact, how
> many people really want this thing.  To have a hand full of people who push
> something hard on a mostly apathetic group is NOT consensus - it is an
> abuse of that term.
> >
> > The establishing of a weekend deadline of less that a day with no time
> for people to react is completely objectionable.
> >
> > So to be clear  I still object to the wording and thus object to sending
> any letter until the wording is corrected.
> >
> >   - it does not address both leaders.  I already gave a recommendations
> for how it was to be reworded - it has to address both of the leaders
> equally with their appropriate honorific
> >
> >   - it contains "Brazil has an exemplary record of genuine civil society
> partnerships with regard to many global as well as domestic issues, and we
> look forward to working with Brazil on this current initiative."  which
> needs to be dropped  We do not have enough knowledge, we do not consensus
> of this statement, and it is irrelevant to the letter.
> >
> > Until such time as the wording is agreeable, I FORMALLY OBJECT to the
> sending/signing of this letter.  The idea of the co-coordinators taking it
> upon themselves to define a consensus in the way they are doing so is
> completely unacceptable.
> >
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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