[governance] ¿Quien es responsable de esta desorganización?
José Félix Arias Ynche
jaryn56 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 11:55:39 EST 2013
¿Se puede saber a quien o a quienes le toco esta responsabilidad? porque
ahora nadie tiene la culpa de que estemos en este lió de reglamentos...
No empleen el refrán de; Divide y Vencerás
Lo que necesitamos es una; Enmienda al reglamento
Estamos quedando ante los ojos del Mundo como cómo Desorganizados
*Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche*
* Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo*
2013/2/18 Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> I usually find myself agreeing with Ginger and Izumi, but this time I
> agree with Kerry.
> If a group creates rules for itself then it should follow those rules, or
> change them if the need arises, in the way that it has agreed.
> And writing that first sentence gave me another perspective on the earlier
> suggestion of transferring one's vote to a like-minded party. :-)
> Deirdre
>
> On 18 February 2013 10:51, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 for extension and reminder.
>>
>> izumi
>>
>>
>> 2013/2/18 shaila mistry <shailam at yahoo.com>
>>
>>> +1
>>> Shaila
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> * From: * Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>;
>>> * To: * governance at lists.igcaucus.org <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>;
>>> Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>;
>>> * Cc: * Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
>>> * Subject: * Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>> * Sent: * Mon, Feb 18, 2013 2:36:53 PM
>>>
>>> I agree with Ian: I support extending the voting period and reminding
>>> list members to vote as soon as possible.
>>> Thanks gp
>>>
>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>
>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>> Diplo Foundation
>>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>>> **
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2013 13:35, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> sorry if my last message wasn't clear - I am in favour of counting the
>>>> existing votes as valid, and just looking to boost the numbers of votes
>>>> count, rather than running the whole process again.
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Peake
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:27 AM
>>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter
>>>> Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>
>>>> Agree it would be helpful to know how many votes.
>>>>
>>>> But before re-doing the vote (how many times, until 'we' get the
>>>> result we want?), could we have the amendments presented again. With
>>>> time for discussion, and then see if again there is support to hold a
>>>> vote.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sala,
>>>>>
>>>>> How many votes short are we of a positive result?
>>>>>
>>>>> That would determine perhaps the best way to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this case I dont think there is any great risk in re-opening the
>>>>> vote to
>>>>> get extra responses. The results in each ballot are clearly in favour
>>>>> of the
>>>>> reforms, the will of the caucus seems clear, it’s just a technicality
>>>>> that
>>>>> we have not had enough responses. (I would feel differently if on any
>>>>> of the
>>>>> ballots the no votes were roughly equivalent to the yes votes)
>>>>>
>>>>> So I would suggest re-opening the ballot to allow those who havent
>>>>> voted to
>>>>> do so – accompanied by encouragement and reminders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:17 PM
>>>>> To: Ian Peter
>>>>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Ian and All,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are correct. I apologize to the IGC for the oversight, the mistake
>>>>> is
>>>>> mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> As such, we currently have two options and they are:-
>>>>>
>>>>> Option 1
>>>>> Accept from the votes that all the proposals have failed based on the
>>>>> results of the votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Option 2
>>>>> Re-run the votes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If we take Option 2, we run the risk of setting a precedent for
>>>>> extending
>>>>> voting periods for other things that require voting including
>>>>> coordinator
>>>>> elections. Should we consider the current votes invalid and cast fresh
>>>>> votes
>>>>> or extend the votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event, the current revisions to the Charter that are on the
>>>>> website
>>>>> will be reversed to reflect what it originally was.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the sake of completeness, the record of the votes is as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> 76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not answer all
>>>>> questions, as none of them were compulsory.
>>>>>
>>>>> On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.
>>>>> On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.
>>>>> On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.
>>>>> On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you and Kind Regards,
>>>>> Sala
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sala, are you sure?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The charter amendment process states that it is 2/3 of membership
>>>>>> required
>>>>>> for charter amendments, not 2/3 of those who bothered to vote. My
>>>>>> understanding is that none of the votes result in charter amendments,
>>>>>> because none of them had over 2/3 of members supporting. The relevant
>>>>>> charter quote is below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amendments to the Charter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than
>>>>>> ten
>>>>>> (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are
>>>>>> based
>>>>>> on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter,
>>>>>> everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> amending the charter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (perhaps it should be different but it isn’t on my reading)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:11 AM
>>>>>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>>> Subject: [governance] Results of IGC Charter Amendment Poll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings! This is a brief update on the results of the IGC Charter
>>>>>> Amendment Poll. Here are the results:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 76 responses were submitted, though some respondents did not answer
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> questions, as none of them were compulsory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On proposal 1, 70 voted in favour, 4 against, and 2 did not vote.
>>>>>> On proposal 2, 62 voted in favour, 5 against, and 9 did not vote.
>>>>>> On proposal 3, 71 voted in favour, 2 against, and 3 did not vote.
>>>>>> On proposal 4, 65 voted in favour, 3 against, and 8 did not vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This means that all proposals pass with greater than 80% approval,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> is excess of the 2/3 requirement. The text of the amendments is
>>>>>> found at
>>>>>> http://igcaucus.org/formally-**proposed-charter-amendments<http://igcaucus.org/formally-proposed-charter-amendments>and the charter as
>>>>>> amended is at http://igcaucus.org/charter and
>>>>>> http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-**process<http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also like to acknowledge and thank you all for your
>>>>>> contributions,
>>>>>> elaborate discussion and for taking the time to vote. Thank you to
>>>>>> all those
>>>>>> who proposed the amendments and initiated the process and to all
>>>>>> those who
>>>>>> took part. Special thanks also to Norbert for conducting the Poll and
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Jeremy for helping out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Kind Regards,
>>>>>> Sala (on behalf of the Coordinators)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>>>>>> P.O. Box 17862
>>>>>> Suva
>>>>>> Fiji
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @SalanietaT
>>>>>> Skype:Salanieta.**Tamanikaiwaimaro
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>>>>>> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> P.O. Box 17862
>>>>> Suva
>>>>> Fiji
>>>>>
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