[governance] Tangential (On Exceptionalism Wikileaks) America's vassal acts decisively and illegally
Adam Peake
ajp at glocom.ac.jp
Sun Aug 19 09:18:16 EDT 2012
>You know that the 5 biggest financial
>institutions Bank of America, Visa, mastercard,
>wester union and paypal decided to block
>donations to wikileaks reducing it in 95%?
>Censorship? Have here an IG issue as requested
>for some people here?
Yes, but what have the 5 banks to do with Assange's alleged assaults?
Don't get me wrong, wikileaks is incredibly
important, but I do not see the connection
between the issues in this thread and Internet
governance. If you want to change the subject,
fine :-)
Pussy Riot more relevant, part of their "crime"
being posting their protest on the Internet.
Adam
>you can still send donations using https://flattr.com/
>
>Carlos Vera
>
>
>Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
>El 19/08/2012, a las 6:42, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> escribió:
>
>> Dominique, hi.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
>>> Rape? Charged?
>>>
>>
>> Assange's lawyer's say accused. But the european arrest warrant the
>> UK believes it must enforce says he is wanted for prosecution. I'm
>> not a lawyer, not clue about the difference.
>>
>>
>>> 1. Assange is not (yet) charged. The judge only wants to ask him some
>>> questions. Telecom provide some means, indeed...
>>> 2. Rape? Perhaps some of us on this list, men AND women, are rapers at a
>>> Swedish sense:
>>>
>>
>> I very much hope not.
>>
>> Indecent assault isn't that common, is it? As you note the offense
>> carries a maximum 4 year sentence. Not trivial.
>>
>>
>>> "Under Swedish law, there are legal gradations of the definition of rape.
>>> There is the most serious kind, involving major violence.
>>> But below that there is the concept of 'regular rape', still involving
>>> violence but not violence of the utmost horror.
>>> And below that there is the idea of 'unlawful coercion'. Talking generally,
>>> and not about the Assange case, this might involve putting emotional
>>> pressure on someone.
>>>
>>> The three categories involve prison sentences of 10, six and four years
>>> respectively.
>>> The lawyer for the two women who have
>>>complained against Mr Assange will not
>>> spell out the details because he says that would give too much away to the
>>> accused man. But he does indicate that it is a four-year sentence that Mr
>>> Assange could expect, indicating that he is suspected of this third, less
>>> serious category."
>>>
>>> And the great conclusion is:
>>>
>>> "The attitude towards rape in Sweden -
>>>informed by a strong sense of women's
>>> rights - means that it is more likely to be reported to police.
>>> Some 53 rape offences are reported per 100,000 people, the highest rate in
>>> Europe.
>>> The figures may reflect a higher number of actual rapes committed but it
>>> seems more likely that tough attitudes and a
>>>broader definition of the crime
>>> are more significant factors."
>>>
>>> See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11946652
>>>
>>> Isn't it a bit unbalanced, facing whistleblowers issue?
>>>
>>> Yes, Adam, CIA or not CIA, this case seems to me two Internet Governance
>>> issues.
>>> - Lawful here, unlawful there.
>>> - Whistleblowers right at the Digital age.
>>>
>>> How would you deal with these questions?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, don't get it, what has Assange's situation to do with Internet
>> governance, even in its broadest sense? He didn't do anything online
>> or on the Internet, he is accused of assaulting two women. And those
>> two people seem to be being very much overlooked at the moment.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>> @+, Dominique
>>>
>>> Dominique Lacroix
>>> Société européenne de l'Internet
>>> http://www.ies-france.eu
>>> +33 (0)6 63 24 39 14
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 19/08/12 12:28, Fahd A. Batayneh a écrit :
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I admire Assange. I am glad he has the courage to carry out his WikiLeaks
>>>> work. I don't think he should be persecuted, or face politically motivated
>>>> harassment or charge.
> >>> I don't think being a legitimate social hero allows him to avoid facing
>>>> charges of rape if the are legitimate.
>>>>
>>>> Ginger
>>>
>>>
>>> That makes us 2 Ginger. ROCK ON!
>>>
>>> Fahd
>>>
>>>
>>>
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