[governance] I think we debated this ~7 years ago, but it seems to have come up again...

[Carlos A. Afonso]

Wow, wow, wow... let us be less dramatic. There are at several national
Internet registries in successful operation (Brazil, Japan, Mexico among
others). For a full list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Internet_registry

I know little about how this is done in the other countries, but having
IP allocation done by a national registry in Brazil simply works. To
begin with, it is done by CGI.br, which as you know is a pluralist
commission in which its administrative and operational arm is a
non-profit non-commercial organization called NIC.br.

NIC.br also runs all technical facilities for LACNIC (LA&C regional IP
registry). So the fact that India wants to run a NIR does not mean
"government will control everything", or the sky will fall on people's
heads. Let us see how exactly they plan to do it, hopefully building on
the existing experiences.

[]s fraternos

--c.a.

On 10/22/2011 04:39 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
> Hello MacTim,
> 
> 
> It is a very bad idea in its present form. It is difficult to see this as
> anything other than a move to control the Internet by an anachronistic
> proposal to nationalize the allocation of Internet address space. The idea
> of 'country-wide' and  'contiguous' allocation together with the implied
> idea of 'All IPv6 addresses ONLY through the National Internet
> Registry',  would
> result in the unintended(?) outcome of reducing the Internet from being a
> free, open and universal medium to a Government controlled communication
> platform defined by national boundaries.
> 
> It is likely that this is another proposal that is a reflection of wrong
> inputs to the policy makers. The ISPs do not require any form of Government
> help in the process of obtaining address blocks from the Regional Internet
> Registry. They need to be free, and continue with the status quo of
> uncomplicated processes in obtaining address blocks. With the relatively
> unlimited IPv6 space, the RIR processes could actually become a lot less
> complicated.
> 
> Static IPv4 addresses have been expensive for the end-user in India, hope
> this will not be case with IPv6 address, on the present model of RIR - ISP
> relationship, free of Government mediation. With continued freedom, could we
> hope that the ISPs in India make it an automatic process for the end-users
> to obtain static IPv6 user blocks for connecting their computers and other
> devices, without bundling IP addresses with expensive bandwidth subscription
> plans?
> 
> Sivasubramanian M
> India.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>
>> wrote:
>>> There was a thread on India-GII discussing this.  Folks on this list
>>> might find it of interest.
>>>
>>> The first post, by Suresh Ramasubramanian (who finds the Indian proposal
>>> a ghastly idea):
>>
>> That's because it is.
>>
>>
>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/india-gii/2011-09/msg00121.html
>>
>> I will check it out, thanks!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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