[governance] FYI: Letter from Bulgarian Internet community

Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law froomkin at law.miami.edu
Sun May 31 15:43:46 EDT 2009


Er, how about the restructuring of the board to have a controlling number 
of seats for paying members than those who formerly controled ISOC?

Isn't that a form a 'favoritism'?  (Apologies if I have the timing wrong, 
but wasn't that during your tenure?)


On Sun, 31 May 2009, George Sadowsky wrote:

> This is getting to be a silly argument.
>
> Norbert: you know full well that ISOC is not governed the way Cambodia is. 
> Why make the post?
>
> Parminder:  You seem to have a lot of problems.
>
> I was on the ISOC Board for 7 years, stepping down in 2004.  I never saw any 
> evidence of favoritism to commercial entities that were donors to ISOC.  I 
> doubt that this has changed.
>
> I suggest that if you want an explanation of of what this membership 
> applications means, you go directly to ISOC and ask them.
>
> George
>
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> At 12:40 AM +0700 6/1/09, Norbert Klein wrote:
>> Thanks, Parminder, for extending the text of the quote.
>> 
>> Living in Cambodia, I know what "sponsorship" can mean.
>> 
>> 
>> Norbert
>> 
>> =
>> 
>> On Sunday, 31 May 2009 23:20:47 Parminder wrote:
>> 
>> >   George Sadowsky wrote:
>> > >  All,
>> > > 
>> > >  I believe that what Jefsey writes about platinum members of ISOC being
>> > >  able to designate areas for standardization (presumably in the IETF,
>> > >  since that's where that happens) is and incorrect.  The quote below
>> > >  does not come from the page he references.
>> > 
>> >   George,
>> > 
>> >   What Jefsey wrote does come directly from the document he links, if you
>> >   keep reading it after the quote you refer to. The full quote in the
>> >   document is:
>> > 
>> >   "The Platinum Sponsorship Program allows your  company to specifically
>> >   designate areas or projects to be supported in the fields of a)
>> >   Standards, b) Public Policy or c) Education and Training. Your
>> >   organization will have enhanced, direct consultation with ISOC 
>> >   regarding
>> >   its activities in your funded area. Additional benefits also apply."
>> > 
>> > >  The actual quote on that page is:
>> > > 
>> > >      "Supporting our Platinum Program gives your company the ability to
>> > >      focus your contributions specifically on the essential work of the
>> > >      IETF and our Standards activities.."
>> > > 
>> > >  Supporting the standards activities in general is not the same as, as
>> > >  he suggests,  specifically designating areas or projects to be
>> > >  supported in the fields of standards.
>> > > 
>> > >  George
>> > 
>> >   Now that you know what he quoted is correct, what are your comments on
>> >   it, as someone who I understand is closely associated with ISOC.  BTW
>> >   the term 'enhanced .... consultations' reminds me of something :) but
>> >   that is another matter .
>> > 
>> >   I have a huge problem with anyone being allowed to buy a position on 
>> >   the
>> >   governance system of a body which is either closely involved in policy
>> >   making, or claims to be  a civil society body (and ISOCs seems to do
>> >   both). I also have problem with providing any kind of preferred access
>> >   to policy spaces for private interests that are impacted by the
>> >   concerned policies, which is expressly mentioned in the above quote. My
>> >   concerns follow from what are hallowed canons of democratic societies,
>> >   and the fact that we are increasingly compromising them is indeed 
>> >   alarming.
>> > 
>> >   I find these practices fundamentally antithetical to building of
>> >   legitimate and democratic governance and civil society structures and
>> >   basically against public interest. However, regrettably, the ideology
>> >   behind these kinds of practices is catching on which I think is one of
>> >   the biggest dangers our society faces today. (Remember, it was tried at
>> >   the IGF as well, with a threat to pull out funding if certain issues
>> >   were raised at the IGF.)
>> > 
>> >   I brought up exactly the same point at the recent workshop on APC-CoE's
>> >   proposed code of good practices on participation, transparency etc. The
>> >   list of the IG organizations reviewed in the study done by David Souter
>> >   for the above proposed code included ISOC. I inter alia raised the 
>> >   issue
>> >   that we also need to review practices related to the relationship of
>> >  funding with seats in governance structures and preferred access to
>> >   policy spaces. This is an important aspect of participation and
>> >   transparency, which just cannot be left out.
>> > 
>> >   I earnestly hope that ISOC as a body involved in policy making, or as a
>> >   civil society entity, or both, will respond to these key issues that 
>> >   are
>> >   being raised about its practices.
>> > 
>> >   Parminder
>> > 
>> >   PS: At another place the ISOC doc says: "...you can direct your support
>> >   dollars towards  the Internet Society's public policy activities and
>> >   ensure that your voice will be heard on  these critical issues". Does
>> >   ISOC act as a lobbying organization on behalf of any big corporate that
>> >   can afford to pay it? Are the public policy positions of ISOC then not
>> >   obviously disproportionately influenced by these big corporate funders?
>> >   These are important questions ISOC must answer as a key player in the
>> >   public arena vis a vis IG issues.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> If you want to know what is going on in Cambodia, please visit
>> The Mirror, a regular review of the Cambodian language press in English.
>> 
>> This is the latest weekly editorial:
>> 
>> Law Enforcement
>> http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/law-enforcement-sunday-24-5-2009/
>> (To read it, click on the line above.)
>> 
>> And here is something new every day:
>> http://cambodiamirror.wordpress.com
>> 
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