[governance] Taking down a site [was: beijing ticket scam]

[Rui Correia]

Hi Ian Peter

Taking it up from your point about take-downs not being automatic
without validation, perhaps you or others can shed some light on a
parallel issue.

In the past few days, I've come across two racist websites, full of
hate speech, but not directly inciting racial hatred.

Any idea where I can report these sites? Someone at international
level or at national level in South Africa?



On 04/08/2008, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> Thanks John. The site is now down, but I am interested in the process, as
>  this was a known scam since last March and was linked to via Forbes, MSNBC,
>  among others until they found out (somehow). And was live until a few hours
>  ago. That's a pretty healthy long life for such a site.
>
>  So am I to understand that the response in this case is purely an industry
>  self regulation one (via MAAWG and/or APWG). I have no problem with industry
>  self-regulation per se, but is there no legal loop, no ICANN loop, or do
>  police and/or Interpol complain to MAAWG or APWG (either?). Or is that
>  optional?
>
>
>  I see your point that takedowns can't be automatic without some validation.
>  But as you say, this would be an excellent area for some governance
>  guidelines!
>
>
>
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: John Levine [mailto:icggov at johnlevine.com]
>  > Sent: 04 August 2008 23:42
>  > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>  > Cc: ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>  > Subject: Re: [governance] beijing ticket scam - is this governed at all?
>  >
>  > >Very interested in analysis of why this is so when it is a known
>  > >major fraud site that has victims in many countries. Is there any
>  > >mechanism to stop major international scams?
>  >
>
> > Sort of, keeping in mind that this particular example is a minor scam,
>  > not a major one.
>  >
>  > There are probably several dozen scam sites like that set up every
>  > day.  There are two interrelated problems -- one is that it's common
>  > for the registrar to be in one country, the web site in a second, and
>  > the mail servers sending promotional spam to be in yet a third through
>  > 50th.  The other is that there's a great deal of finger pointing.  Is
>  > the responsible party the registrar, eNom in this case?  The hosting
>  > company where the web site is located, Servepath?  The office-in-a-box
>  > in Arizona that's listed as their address?  All of the above?  MAAWG
>  > and the APWG have been working on setting up semi-formal contact
>  > systems to get registrars and hosters to take down bogus sites, but
>  > they can't just do a takedown on every random complaint, or else they
>  > get grief like Godaddy for turning off legitimate sites who have
>  > annoyed someone.
>  >
>  > This would be an excellent area for some governance guidelines.  Too
>  > bad we're too busy deciding what font the ballots should be printed
>  > in.
>  >
>  > R's,
>  > John
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