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<p>I support Ian's idea as well.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:53:02 PM<br>
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<p>HI,</p>
<p>I support Ian's idea</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2019 3:35 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">
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<div>I support the idea of merging. BB served a useful purpose for a while but that time has past.</div>
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<div>I suggest the easiest way to do this is for BB to decide to disband, and encourage any remaining members who are not already on the IGC mailing list to join up there. </div>
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<div>Cc: "< <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>">
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<div>Sent: 9/01/2019 4:52:30 AM</div>
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<div dir="auto">A good idea as this is, can we get the genesis of how CS was split into different groupings?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 8:31 PM Sheetal Kumar <<a href="mailto:sheetal@gp-digital.org" moz-do-not-send="true">sheetal@gp-digital.org</a> wrote:<br>
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<div>(dropping IGC as this is just for Bestbits members) Firstly, happy new year! I am writing to follow up on the conversation with regards to a proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits, discussed by those who attended the call organised last December.
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<div>As noted earlier, the merger of the two groups was suggested as a way of avoiding duplication of work between groups, pooling resources and streamlining efforts so that they're more focused and coordinated - particularly around key forums and events.
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<div>It would be interesting to hear feedback on this idea, positive or otherwise. Otherwise, I suggest another call to decide next steps?
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ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Arsene,</div>
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<div>Mergers are difficult and imagine that both sides are going to have to change structurally so that they can work together. Both organisations have working rules and practices, changing both sets will be complex and I think unnecessary.</div>
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<div>My opinion is that, in this case, BB should just decide to fold - and in doing so, encourage its members to join IGC if they are not already involved.</div>
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<div>That's a lot simpler and leaves IGC intact and continuing as an umbrella groups for civil society involvement in internet governance.</div>
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<div>(Best Bits copied in). Just suggesting this because I think it is a lot easier. </div>
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<div>Ian Peter</div>
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<div>To: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "Farzaneh Badiei" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>"
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<div>Sent: 21/12/2018 9:12:28 AM</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Milton, i think i tried to explain why i was suggesting that. Sorry if that was not clear. The reason is simple: we agreed to take time to discuss the merger issue within the two groups
separately. So, if we Cc both lists that means to me we are not doing separately anymore. That’s my understanding and i may be wrong.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">On 20 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Why segregate the discussions, Arsene?</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a fragmented and uncoordinated civil society!</div>
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governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">governance-</a></div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">To: Farzaneh Badiei <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Cc: <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">
bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> < <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>;</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Farzaneh, all,</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the discussion, may I please</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should be discussed</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Each group needs to have an internal discussion.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some members are</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">on both lists and have posting rights on both but others don't, this may lead</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is responding.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Hope this makes sense.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Thanks,</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Arsene</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>:</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Thanks Arsene.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion comes</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">from the fact that we have not been active much during the past year.</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having multiple</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really minimal</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not really</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">recommendable.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus method if I</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was created and</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel about</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be convinced,</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">maybe not.</div>
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<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong objection</div>
<div class="m_5985270793517241451gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">(multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons as to why</div>
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