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<div>Dear all, <br></div><div><br></div><div>(dropping IGC as this is
just for Bestbits members) Firstly, happy new year! I am writing to
follow up on the conversation with regards to a proposal to merge IGC
and Bestbits, discussed by those who attended the call organised last December. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As
noted earlier, the merger of the two groups was suggested as a way of
avoiding duplication of work between groups, pooling resources and
streamlining efforts so that they're more focused and coordinated -
particularly around key forums and events. <br></div><div><br></div><div>It would be interesting to hear feedback on this idea, positive or otherwise. Otherwise, I suggest another call to decide next steps? <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Sheetal. </div>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 02:46, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>Hi Arsene,</div><div><br></div><div>Mergers are difficult and imagine that both sides are going to have to change structurally so that they can work together. Both organisations have working rules and practices, changing both sets will be complex and I think unnecessary.</div><div><br></div><div>My opinion is that, in this case, BB should just decide to fold - and in doing so, encourage its members to join IGC if they are not already involved.</div><div><br></div><div>That's a lot simpler and leaves IGC intact and continuing as an umbrella groups for civil society involvement in internet governance.</div><div><br></div><div>(Best Bits copied in). Just suggesting this because I think it is a lot easier. </div><div><br></div><div>Ian Peter</div>
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<div>To: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></div>
<div>Cc: "Farzaneh Badiei" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits</div><div><br></div>
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<tt style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line">Milton, i think i tried to explain why i was suggesting that. Sorry if that was not clear. The reason is simple: we agreed to take time to discuss the merger issue within the two groups separately. So, if we Cc both lists that means to me we are not doing separately anymore. That’s my understanding and i may be wrong.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> On 20 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Why segregate the discussions, Arsene?</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a fragmented and uncoordinated civil society!</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> -----Original Message-----</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> From: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.riseup.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-" target="_blank">governance-</a></div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> <a href="mailto:request@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">request@lists.riseup.net</a>] On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> To: Farzaneh Badiei <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Cc: <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>> < <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>;</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Farzaneh, all,</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the discussion, may I please</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should be discussed</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Each group needs to have an internal discussion.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some members are</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> on both lists and have posting rights on both but others don't, this may lead</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is responding.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Hope this makes sense.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Thanks,</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Arsene</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> 2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>:</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Thanks Arsene.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion comes</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> from the fact that we have not been active much during the past year.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having multiple</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really minimal</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not really</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> recommendable.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus method if I</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was created and</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel about</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be convinced,</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> maybe not.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong objection</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> (multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons as to why</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> BestBits should remain even if dormant), then we can decide on the</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> merge. If there are strong objections, then we will not go with the merge.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> From what I see from BestBits website, the following individuals are</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> at the steering committee of BestBits:</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Nighat Dad</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Poncelet Ileleji</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Renata Ribeiro</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Dave Burstein</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Imran Ahmed Shah [second term of election]</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Antonella Perini [co-opted by committee]</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Besbits CSCG Representatives</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Claudio Lucena Neto (2018-2019)</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> - Sheetal Kumar (2017-2018)</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Does this list still stand? Do the steering committee members of</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> BestBits and the reps on CSCG would like to weigh in?</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> I know Sheetal was on the call. Would be good to hear from others.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:00 AM Arsène Tungali</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">governance@lists.riseup.net</a>></div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> wrote:</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Hi everyone,</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> You have probably seen this already on a different thread but thought</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> it well to have this discussion solely on the IGC list (as I expect</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started this thread hoping to</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> hear from you on this important question.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> This need for merging was raised by some IGC members during a civil</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits participants; many of</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members. The call happened last</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to the recording.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> I will not go into much details about the rationale but would welcome</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on whether or not we</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> should merge both lists. We will need to also answer the question on</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is the IGC going to become</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working towards a different</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> group where members of both groups will all be added?</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> This brings back to my memory the whole hassle we had to migrate</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> (SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this discussion list (which</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> hasn't been quite active for a few months but where many feel safe to</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss and take into account</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> the technical cost of the merging process (should it happen).</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus about this question on</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> this list? Should we vote? How long do we take to decide? Should we</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators separately and ask</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> them what they think?</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a decision by</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> mid-January and we hope this is realistic given the holiday season.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> We will then report to the group.</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> </div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> I just wanted to throw this all here and would REALLY appreciate a</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> discussion that will help us move forward and come to a conclusion.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-3799941486794551183plain_line"> Best regards,</div>
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