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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Totally agree with you, Bruna.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns@gmail.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 30 October 2018 at 7:20 am<br>
<b>To: </b>parminder <parminder@itforchange.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>farzaneh badii BADII <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson@icann.org>, Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini@gmail.com>, Bestbits <bestbits@lists.bestbits.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [bestbits] [Ext] Re: OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hey all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Just my two cents here: I dont personally think that the problem with Bolsonaro is neoliberalism - If this was the problem I dont think brazilians would be utterly concerned with him. He can go from defending
little or none regulation to the internet (like his campaign which circulated content criticizing the Marco Civil da internet) to denying that situations such as the Holocaust happened, and for such incoherence I dont think there is a word. I dont even dare
call Bolsonaro a liberal because from the positions he openly takes he can easily be considered as a hard-right nationalist.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Anyways, these ought to be hard times for us in Brazil and I think we should keep on advocating for our values and principles. Trying to find someone to put the blame here Isnt much of a way forward. We should
be taking both the American and Brazilian elections vastly dominated by the spread of fake news as an example to think of solutions to the problem - if there's any. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Bruna Santos <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Em seg, 29 de out de 2018 às 09:34, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 29/10/18 5:01 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Very much agree Nigel. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">And using the political environment and this election which has made people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion.
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Interesting, very few people actually defend neo-liberalism, esp in global civil society groups. But sure, you well may...
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Evidently, from Trump to Brexit to Bolsorno, and I am not mentioning a few other names, very similar things are happening across the world.... Obviously that kind of seemingly unconnected very similar events need a theory to explain.
You dont agree with mine, so may I ask what is yours... What do you think is happening? I do not think that a politically active and mature CS group should just comment on such important events without any analysis, much less 'what to do', at all.
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">And to Nigel's comment below. "The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man.". You really think Bolsorno is one man?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Good morning <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad leaders come and (hopefully) go;
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<b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>> on behalf of Carolina
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15<br>
<b>To: </b>parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">
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<span lang="EN-GB">Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem commonplace these days. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history which I hope
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any
real hope....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch
to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where
market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed
on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to
which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were circulated to simply
ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses
by corporations, key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on and on ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's
'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them.
But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one
can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and Bolsorno are the other side
of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow
profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost.
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<span lang="EN-GB">From: "Carlos Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">To: "BestBits List" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB">opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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