<div><div dir="auto">Very much agree Nigel. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And using the political environment and this election which has made people suffer just to repeat the old baseless argument that it was the neoliberals fault is absolutely wrong in my opinion. </div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:28 AM Nigel Hickson <<a href="mailto:nigel.hickson@icann.org">nigel.hickson@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_19142132447316494WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Good morning <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The spirit of the people of Brazil cannot be eradicated by one man. Bad leaders come and (hopefully) go; <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Nigel <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>> on behalf of Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, 29 October 2018 at 06:15<br><b>To: </b>parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Wow! I agree with Parminder! Ah!<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 29/10/18 3:47 AM, <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Very sad that this has happened, Carlos. Lurches to the right seem commonplace these days. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Brazil was a great leader as regards multistakeholder internet governance initiatives, and I do hope that all is not lost with this change. Certainly what has been achieved in the past sets a great example and part of history which I hope is not forgotten.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ian<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>I dont want to make capital out of unfortunate times, but truth is as important to speak out at such times, if we are not just to make pro forma regrets but to look ahead with vision and purpose, and thus any real hope....<u></u><u></u></p><p>Dear Ian, do you really think that a multistakeholder model which culminated in trying to install a World Economic Forum based global Internet Governance regime instead of a UN based one was itself not a lurch to right? That is also history that must not be forgotten, and released from its responsibilities.<u></u><u></u></p><p>The current Trumpian phenomenon is precisely the product of a trans-national elite seeking their common economic advantages often using the cover of social liberalism without economic egalitarianism -- where market without political governance was to be the defender of rights! This is a direct result of promotion of an one-sided talk of human rights -- only civil and political ones and not social and economic ones, which have openly been flouted even ridiculed on , yes, IG civil society lists.... Dot ask me for real examples, bec I have followed this and I know many.... Ok, take two, the very concept and not just the real implementation of 'public interest' has been ridiculed on the NCUC (of ICANN's)website, to which many CS stalwarts of IG belong. A key leader of CS community has said 'social justice' is a meaningless concept, another that the term 'democracy carries baggage', and when appeals (like at UNESCO's key Paris meeting on IG) were circulated to simply ensure that social and economic rights get mentioned along with civil and public rights in the conf document there wasnt much sympathy on these lists.. And yes, also when all progressive civil society is fighting for a binding treaty on human rights abuses by corporations, key leaders write here why any such thing is a bad idea .... .I can go on and on ...<u></u><u></u></p><p>And so lets not assume innocence about this creeping death of progressive and democratic ideals that the global trans-national elite has brought on us in blind pursuit of their global economic interests (Zizek's 'Clinton not Trump is the problem' precisely captures it). <u></u><u></u></p><p>This is the dispossessed reacting against the global neoliberal excesses in the only ways they could think of, or were made available to them, however deleterious the results are finally going to be for them. But lets not look away from what or who is responsible here.....<u></u><u></u></p><p>When we seethe market, the embodiment of un-restrained self-interest, as the institution that will govern us in all areas (which is the definition of neoliberalism) including of rights, welfare, etc, then one can very well expect a Trump and a Bolsanaro to come along and say, well self-interest, fine, this is what it politically is, everyone fending for oneself and one's narrow interests, and avowedly and unabashedly so ... Trump and Bolsorno are the other side of the same trans-national neo-liberalism of which Internet governance space has been a key, often pioneering arena. It is a local, political response of the justifiably angry and dispossessed, even if a suicidal one... T and B are simply neoliberalism's narrow profession of unbridled self-interest without the spin and false sophisticated sheen that is just there to reflect away deserved criticism -- it is the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. <u></u><u></u></p><p>With hope and solidarity<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>parminder <u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">------ Original Message ------<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From: "Carlos Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: "BestBits List" <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 28/10/2018 1:29:02 AM<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [bestbits] OFF-TOPIC - Brazil: Return to Terror<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div id="m_19142132447316494m_5884133044364644117xb71ef0e52fa84e5"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Dear colleagues, this article may give you an idea of what might happen<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">in Brazil with the presidential elections tomorrow.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Sorry for this, but the situation may be terrifying for anyone who<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">opposes the ultra-right-wing candidate. The article by Pablo Villaça (in<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">English) is an accurate review:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.rogerebert.com_far-2Dflung-2Dcorrespondents_brazilian-2Delection-2D2018-2Dbolsonaro&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=cqhruVEaSZ2dxhFez02DlPN_zLCuNED-Ue1ZK4F0bZQ&s=_sE7gIYMTB6OB6pp0JT6cAgKUXDv4MOPKILUBlNWJy8&e=" target="_blank">https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/brazilian-election-2018-bolsonaro [rogerebert.com]</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">The article is also attached in PDF.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Bolsonaro threatens to liquidate all NGOs and social movements -- who<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">can choose between prison and exile. Fundamental achievements like our<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">multistakeholder Internet governance system, our Internet Bill of<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Rights, and many other human rights-related laws are at risk.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">fraternal regards<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">--c.a.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New",serif">Carlos A. 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