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I am not going to reopen this discussion but Parminder you were on
one side of it, and there is another side which has a very different
perspective. I have written a paper which revisits this and gives
both sides. Here is the link to the preprint:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.malcolm.id.au/owncloud/s/l1khaU4JGiPRnXR">http://www.malcolm.id.au/owncloud/s/l1khaU4JGiPRnXR</a><br>
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Don't worry the paper is very neutral and even-handed (compared to
some of our earlier, more heated debates).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/7/17 2:44 am, parminder wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Thanks James, you are very clear, and
indeed I agree. <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">These are clear and specific requirements
of academic and civil society transparency, which should be
upheld by all<br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Alas though some participating groups
asked for the same in the initial years of this bestbits
coalition, in terms of those organisations that become key
steer-ers of this global coalition. The involved major groups
refused to divulge their funding (like as you mention, with an
end of year annual reporting and such), and the people/ groups
who had asked for accountability were kind of pushed off the
group. One of them was a listed founding member of bestbits
who asked to be removed from the list of founders as a
consequence of this disagreement. Sorry, I digress here
perhaps. But then just saying that, unfortunately, this civil
society coalition itself does not pass the criterion of
"transparency" that you rightly frame. <br>
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<p>parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 17 July 2017 01:40 PM,
James Gannon wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hope
I’m interpreting the question right but I would 100%
support a requirement that where direct funding has been
received by a civil society actor or an academic to
support a campaign or a paper that that is disclosed as
part of the documentation (Campaign info or in the
acknowledgements of the paper/research).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For
indirect funding I think that yes similar to a non-profits
990 at the end of the fiscal year there should be a
reporting of sources of indirect funding by both groups
also. Topically webfoundations donor page is a great
example <a
href="http://webfoundation.org/about/funding-partners/"
moz-do-not-send="true">
http://webfoundation.org/about/funding-partners/</a>,
now an argument might be made that that might be a lot of
overhead for an academic, maybe that is an opportunity for
CS is out space to help, a small project setup to help
academics report on their funding, I certainly don’t know
of many academics that are looking to actively hide their
funding, but rather there is no easy or standardised way
of reporting it leading to situations like we have now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
this is not what your were aiming at please feel free to
steer me in the right direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> parminder [<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2017 05:51<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><james@cyberinvasion.net></a>;
Renata Avila <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><renata.avila@webfoundation.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Renata Aquino Ribeiro <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><raquino@gmail.com></a>;
Jeremy Malcolm <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><jmalcolm@eff.org></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>"
moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a>
< <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Accountability group
puts Google in same league as big oil and big tobacco<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 14 July 2017 01:32 AM, James
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Agree on the final
point for sure and 100% on transparency.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Sure, everybody is for 100 % transparency, but then only
till we actually begin to talk what that means.<br>
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So let me ask you, James, what would the 100% transparency
be that you agree with..... Like civil society groups should
disclose their funding (unless compelling circumstances
which makes is counter-productive can be proved)? This is a
long history of that discussion in the matter of formation
and governance of this very group bestbits. Maybe you can
contribute to it. Look forward to hearing your response.<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Renata Avila [<a
href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 July 2017 21:00<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon <a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><james@cyberinvasion.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Renata Aquino Ribeiro <a
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><raquino@gmail.com></a>;
Jeremy Malcolm <a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><jmalcolm@eff.org></a>; <a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>"
moz-do-not-send="true">
bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a> < <a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Accountability group puts
Google in same league as big oil and big tobacco</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
respectfully disagree on your restrictive
interpretation of ICANN mission. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
also disagree on relaxing accountability on who
funds academic research and its impact. On the
contrary, I think limiting our work to some sort of
transparency is insufficient. Strict accountability
is needed to limit the power of such powerful
companies (which are involved in broader sectors,
like defense, health, etc.). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We
need more and better accountability and also make
visible how big companies (as big Pharma did) are
influencing through lobby, research and
"philanthropy" the public agendas and apply the
experience from other sector, like public health and
the environment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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to continue the dialogue off list. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Avila<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
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Digital Rights
Advisor</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:8.5pt">1110
Vermont Ave
NW, Suite 500,
Washington DC
20005, USA</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt">| </span></b><a
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:52 PM,
James Gannon <<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">No
because the auction funds are also bounded by
ICANN mission.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
think that we should trust academics to be
able to conduct research in an independent
manner, that we need to stop looking at the
GAFA conspiracy theories and that we shouldn’t
sully those academics who are working on
critical areas of research for us by claiming
that once they are ever ‘tainted’ by corporate
funding that they should forever have to walk
around with a a Google/FB/etc disclaimer on
every word they write or talk they give or
opinion they express. <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Renata Avila [mailto:<a
href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 July 2017 20:31</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> James Gannon <<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>>;
Jeremy Malcolm <<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>;
<a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>
< <<a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits]
Accountability group puts Google in same
league as big oil and big tobacco<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Well, there is more:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">The
proceeds from New </span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">gTLD</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> Program
auctions, <b>which will total more
than $230 million, are being
reserved.</b> The multistakeholder
community will develop proposals for
how these proceeds could be
distributed. A community-based
drafting team is currently working
on a charter for a Cross-Community
Working Group that will create
recommendations for Board
consideration. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2016-07-28-en"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2016-07-28-en</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My point: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">- Google funds
everything, especially advocacy and
research in poor countries. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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If not google, it is Facebook.<o:p></o:p></p>
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That harms legitimacy. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Funds
are really scarce for research,
advocacy and policy. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Meanwhile,
ICANN = 230 million plus 70 million
reserves. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">What
if we advocate for those funds to <b>support
public interest research</b>, via a
Foundation or similar, instead of
Google (or other companies) funding
research. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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it clear now? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:21 PM, James
Gannon <<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
ICANN reserve fund is designed
to keep ICANN running in the
event of financial distress and
is not subject to any external
use outside of ICANN, and even
if it was it would still be
bound by ICANNs mission.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Im
not seeing the relationship to
the current discussion at all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-James<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Renata Avila
[mailto:<a
href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 July 2017
20:19<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon <<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Renata Aquino
Ribeiro <<a
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>>;
Jeremy Malcolm <<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>;
<a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>
< <<a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[bestbits] Accountability
group puts Google in same
league as big oil and big
tobacco<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Its reserve fund. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It could be modified,
any time, to support
broader areas... </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Figures in USD
(millions) Page 9. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Link: <a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/fy17-unaudited-financials-31mar17-en.pdf"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/fy17-unaudited-financials-31mar17-en.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">R.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.5pt">Senior
Digital Rights
Advisor</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at
9:09 PM, James Gannon
<<a
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Can you
elaborate on this
piece? What ICANN
money, ICANN does
some very limited
funding of
research but
doesn’t fund
anything in the
area of advocacy,
and there is very
little research
that is within
ICANNs mission
anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-J<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> <a
href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
[mailto:<a
href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Renata Avila<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13
July 2017 20:05<br>
<b>To:</b>
Renata Aquino
Ribeiro <<a
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b>
Jeremy Malcolm
<<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>; <a
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>
< <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [bestbits]
Accountability
group puts
Google in same
league as big
oil and big
tobacco</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
second
Renata. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Our
research and
advocacy space
is suffering
from a funding
problem and it
is harming its
credibility.
It will be
great to have
a larger pool
of funds
supporting our
efforts, which
are becoming
more
mainstream and
relevant for
the next 50
years
(especially
for developing
countries).
The production
of research is
extremely
concentrated
and, as
austerity is
rampant all
over the
World, State
funding to
research is
shrinking by
the day even
for developed
countries at
the same pace
as tax evasion
(or elusion)
(Google is not
guilt free in
this area <a
href="http://fortune.com/2016/03/11/apple-google-taxes-eu/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://fortune.com/2016/03/11/apple-google-taxes-eu/</a>)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">And
in small
countries,
priorities of
both
governments
and private
sector to
support
research
support
traditional
areas, such as
health or
education.
Certainly,
local funds
are not
supporting
local advocacy
efforts for
privacy, net
neutrality,
etc. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
think the
problem is
deeper and I
think that, in
order to
continue our
work and
efforts with
impartiality
and
credibility,
we need a
coordinated
effort to get
a diverse pool
of donors and
ways towards
sustainability.
I think the
comparisons of
Big Oil
funding
Greenpeace,
when we talk
about giants
like Facebook
or Google, is
valid now. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What
about all the
ICANN money?
Will it be
enough to fund
all global and
local advocacy
and at least
part of the
relevant
research? A
global fund?
Crowdfunding
for advocacy
and more
pressure on
governments
for research? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Renata
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<p><b><span
style="font-size:9.5pt">Senior
Digital Rights
Advisor</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="mailto:renata.avila@webfoundation.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">renata.avila@webfoundation.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt">1110
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Jul
13, 2017 at
8:20 PM,
Renata Aquino
Ribeiro <<a
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unless they
are
transparent
about it and
clear about it
not
interfering
with their
research
ethics.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In the public
education
system in
developing
countries it
is quite
common to see
funding being
misused.
Researchers
who get money
from
international
organizations,
even some
national ones,
using public
universities
to advance an
agenda. And
yes, this can
be sometimes
an
astroturfing
exercise. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Which is why
access and
production of
knowledge
needs to be
always
transparent
and public.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unfortunately
most of
internet
policy has not
waken up to
this yet. I
wonder if it
ever will. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Em 13/07/2017
15:09, "Jeremy
Malcolm" <<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>
escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">But here's an
article
putting the
other side of
the story:<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://www.chronicle.com/article/Scholars-Cry-Foul-at-Their/240635"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.chronicle.com/article/Scholars-Cry-Foul-at-Their/240635</a><br>
<br>
We place
Google Policy
Fellows at
EFF, too.
Does that mean
that whatever
work they do
for the rest
of their
careers is
tainted by the
few thousand
they received
to support
their living
expenses as an
EFF fellow?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 13/7/17
3:21 am,
parminder
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="line-height:18.0pt;background:white;margin:1rem;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#333333">Google
has spent
millions
funding
academic
research in
the US and<span
class="m-5706486385254671925m8016028645852022803m4332408754697446506m-8478249900900100860m4692170354545645344m-8149673231526419264apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#005689">Europe</span></a><span
class="m-5706486385254671925m8016028645852022803m4332408754697446506m-8478249900900100860m4692170354545645344m-8149673231526419264apple-converted-space"> </span>to
try to
influence
public opinion
and
policymakers,
a watchdog has
claimed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="line-height:18.0pt;background:white;margin:1rem;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#333333">Over
the last
decade, Google
has funded
research
papers that
appear to
support the
technology
company’s
business
interests and
defend against
regulatory
challenges
such as
antitrust and
anti-piracy,
the US-based
Campaign for
Accountability
(CfA) said<span
class="m-5706486385254671925m8016028645852022803m4332408754697446506m-8478249900900100860m4692170354545645344m-8149673231526419264apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://campaignforaccountability.org/new-report-reveals-googles-extensive-financial-support-for-academia/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#005689">in a
report</span></a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="line-height:18.0pt;background:white;margin:1rem;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#333333">“Google
uses its
immense wealth
and power to
attempt to
influence
policymakers
at every
level,” said
Daniel
Stevens, CfA
executive
director. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#333333">................
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#333333">Academics
were directly
funded by
Google in more
than half of
the cases and
in the rest of
the cases
funded
indirectly by
groups or
institutions
supported by
Google, the
CfA said.
Authors, who
were paid
between $5,000
and $400,000
(£3,900-£310,000)
by Google, did
not disclose
the source of
their funding
in 66% of all
cases, and in
26% of those
cases directly
funded by
Google,
according to
the report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
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Google’s bad
behaviour is
exposed, it
invariably
points the
finger at
someone else,”
said Stevens.
“Instead of
deflecting
blame, Google
should address
its record of
academic
astroturfing,
which puts it
in the same
league as big
oil and <a
href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/series/tobacco-a-deadly-business"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"> big tobacco</a>.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/13/google-millions-academic-research-influence-opinion"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/13/google-millions-academic-research-influence-opinion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As
we know Google
has recently
been fined $
2.7 billion
for
anti-competitive
practices by
the EU
regulator,
which only
means that in
all countries
that are too
weak to take
on google (or
benefit from
its profits,
meaning the
US) Google
remains in
violation of
competition
(and many
other)
laws..... All
this Google
funded
research and
advocacy, of
dont regulate
the Internet
(read,
Internet
companies),
are playing a
dangerous
game,
seriously
compromising
public
interest. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It
is time we
declare the
honeymoon of
civil society
and academic
love for
digital global
corporations
over. They are
today like big
oil companies
-- no doubt
the latter
provide what
is still the
main energy
resource that
keeps our
societies
ticking but in
the bargain
they very
often, and
systemically,
indulge in
stuff that
needs
academics and
NGOs to be
watching
against. It is
pretty
difficult to
undertake such
watching while
taking
considerable
money from
them. It is a
simple truism,
but the
digital sector
tends to
ignore it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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