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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 14 July 2017 03:11 AM, Nick
      Ashton-Hart wrote:<br>
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      The CFA is also not as transparent as it urges everyone else to
      be, it has refused to say who funds it in the past, has no details
      of who funds it on its website, either - though Oracle confirmed
      at one point it was one of its funders.</blockquote>
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    It is certainly very odd that CfA (Campaign for Accountability) with
    the name and mandate it has, and which alleges Google funds
    academics but hides that information, while using the outcome
    research for its private purposes, itself refuses to divulge its
    donors.. I find it unacceptable. In fact I wrote to them questioning
    them on this strange policy and  asking to let us know their list of
    donors. They responded, quite promptly, that they do not divulge
    their donors and "their work speaks for itself". I will presently
    forward our exchange to this elist.<br>
    <br>
    Meanwhile, we still do need to take the information that CfA
    divulges very seriously, for the implication it has for our sector.
    The information shows how their funding peaked when they were caught
    in regulatory problems. And of course we know from our own
    experience how google has gone around the world setting up Internet
    policy centres, supporting existing ones, and placing google policy
    fellows. It is never black and white. It depends on the total impact
    that a corporation is able to control in an area of its private
    interest. It depends on the extent to which it is into legal/
    regulatory trouble, and can be considered as an offender in this
    respect, and such things. On all these counts, IMHO, Google has
    crossed the redline, big time and long ago, and we need to assess
    its funding of this sector, both civil society and academic. This
    must be discussed in these spaces.<br>
    <br>
    Google participates, indeed leads, many government transparency
    projects... That should also mean that they should themselves be
    transparent in what is supposed to be their public interest work
    Unless their academic and CS funding is not public interest but
    private interest work, which in that case is ipso facto problematic.
    We should be able to get up and ask this obvious question in
    numerous panels that we - as in civil society - sits alongside
    Google. <br>
    <br>
    I do, however, feel that the broad brush that the report applies to
    indiscriminately name academics that may at any time may have
    accepted google funds for some projects is problematic, and should
    have been avoided. But that does not serve to excuse those cases,
    which is a very huge number, where it seems that funds were directly
    accepted in areas in which google in involved in regularly trouble -
    current or possible future ones, and often such funding was not
    disclosed. <br>
    <br>
    As we accept that such reports should not take extreme black and
    white approach to condemn all kinds of corporate funding, similarly
    we as civil society groups, eager to watch out to protect public
    interest, cannot take a similar blanket view that everything is well
    with google and other cooperate funding. <br>
    <br>
    parminder<br>
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              <div class="">On 13 Jul 2017, at 20:08, Jeremy Malcolm
                <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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                  here's an article putting the other side of the story:<br
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href="http://www.chronicle.com/article/Scholars-Cry-Foul-at-Their/240635"
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                  We place Google Policy Fellows at EFF, too.  Does that
                  mean that whatever work they do for the rest of their
                  careers is tainted by the few thousand they received
                  to support their living expenses as an EFF fellow?<br
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/7/17 3:21 am,
                    parminder wrote:<br class="">
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                          class="">Google has spent millions funding
                          academic research in the US and<span
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                            href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news"
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                            moz-do-not-send="true">Europe</a><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to try
                          to influence public opinion and policymakers,
                          a watchdog has claimed.</p>
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                          class="">Over the last decade, Google has
                          funded research papers that appear to support
                          the technology company’s business interests
                          and defend against regulatory challenges such
                          as antitrust and anti-piracy, the US-based
                          Campaign for Accountability (CfA) said<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://campaignforaccountability.org/new-report-reveals-googles-extensive-financial-support-for-academia/"
                            data-link-name="in body link"
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                            moz-do-not-send="true">in a report</a>.</p>
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                            class="">“Google uses its immense wealth and
                            power to attempt to influence policymakers
                            at every level,” said Daniel Stevens, CfA
                            executive director. </span><span
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                          class="">................ <br class="">
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                          class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
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                            class="">Academics were directly funded by
                            Google in more than half of the cases and in
                            the rest of the cases funded indirectly by
                            groups or institutions supported by Google,
                            the CfA said. Authors, who were paid between
                            $5,000 and $400,000 (£3,900-£310,000) by
                            Google, did not disclose the source of their
                            funding in 66% of all cases, and in 26% of
                            those cases directly funded by Google,
                            according to the report.</span></p>
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                            class="">...........</span></p>
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                          class="">“Whenever Google’s bad behaviour is
                          exposed, it invariably points the finger at
                          someone else,” said Stevens. “Instead of
                          deflecting blame, Google should address its
                          record of academic astroturfing, which puts it
                          in the same league as big oil and </span><a
href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/series/tobacco-a-deadly-business"
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                          moz-do-not-send="true">big tobacco</a><span
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                          class="">.”</span><br class="">
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                    <p class=""><font class="" face="Verdana"><a
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/13/google-millions-academic-research-influence-opinion"
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                    <p class=""><font class="" face="Verdana">As we know
                        Google has recently been fined $ 2.7 billion for
                        anti-competitive practices by the EU regulator,
                        which only means that in all countries that are
                        too weak to take on google (or benefit from its
                        profits, meaning the US) Google remains in
                        violation of competition (and many other)
                        laws..... All this Google funded research and
                        advocacy, of dont regulate the Internet (read,
                        Internet companies), are playing a dangerous
                        game, seriously compromising public interest. <br
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                    <p class=""><font class="" face="Verdana">It is time
                        we declare the honeymoon of civil society and
                        academic love for digital global corporations
                        over. They are today like big oil companies --
                        no doubt the latter provide what is still the
                        main energy resource that keeps our societies
                        ticking but in the bargain they very often, and
                        systemically, indulge in stuff that needs
                        academics and NGOs to be watching against. It is
                        pretty difficult to undertake such watching
                        while taking considerable money from them. It is
                        a simple truism, but the digital sector tends to
                        ignore it.</font></p>
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