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<DIV>Thanks Jeremy. Not much discussion elsewhere, would be interested in what
people think about this.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jmalcolm@eff.org>Jeremy
Malcolm</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: Re: [governance] [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now
google calls for internationaldigital agreements</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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copying to the Best Bits list, because I know we have a number of members here
who choose not to be on the IGC or Just Net lists... and this seems like a
relevant and interesting discussion to have here.<BR>
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<TD>Re: [governance] [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now google calls for
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<TD>Sun, 2 Jul 2017 15:36:46 +0530</TD></TR>
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<TD>Ian Peter <A
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<DIV>Hi Parminder, I am copying this also to the IGC list:</DIV>
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<DIV>Because I am wondering if there is widespread support for developing a
civil society statement supporting these efforts, and urging the development of
(a framework?) (a set of principles?) to deal with these issues?</DIV>
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<DIV>Although Microsoft is approaching this more from cyberwarfare concerns, and
Google more from lack of standards dealing with surveillance requests, there is
a common ground here which relates to good governance which supports basic
rights when dealing with requests for data for digital surveillance.</DIV>
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<DIV>In my own mind I am sure there is a set of good principles/guidelines which
could (and should) be developed which could cover both of these concerns, and I
personally feel that we in civil society should be supporting and encouraging
such developments: while at the same time helping to set the agenda for what
might be appropriate developments.</DIV>
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<DIV>GCCS2017 might be one event to move this forward: but in the mean time if
we can develop a strong consensus statement welcoming further discussion and
developments in this area, that might be a useful contribution.</DIV>
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<DIV>But others might feel another approach might be more productive?</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=parminder@itforchange.net
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 1, 2017 6:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=forum@justnetcoalition.org
moz-do-not-send="true">Forum@Justnetcoalition. Org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [JNC - Forum] After Microsoft now google calls for
internationaldigital agreements</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Verdana>Microsoft recently called for a cyber geneva convention <A
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href="https://www.wired.com/2017/05/microsoft-right-need-digital-geneva-convention/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.wired.com/2017/05/microsoft-right-need-digital-geneva-convention/</A>
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<P><FONT face=Verdana>Now, Google has called for international agreement on
legal access to data. </FONT><BR>
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face="Arial, sans-serif">"We need international agreements to lay out the
rules of the road to deal with what is not a hypothetical problem,” said
Walker. “We are dealing with tens of thousands of these requests every year,
and we’re just one of the companies wrestling with this. We do need an
international agreed upon framework to move forward in a reliable way that
people can have confidence in.”"</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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