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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 30 May 2016 06:07 PM, John
Curran wrote:<br>
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<div>The meaning of the term “community” often varies based on the
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Thanks Curran, lets then speak about the meaning of the term
"community" in the specific context of the current process of IANA
transition, or, how NTIA (US gov) calls it, 'transition of key
Internet name domain functions". As per <a
href="https://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-release/2014/ntia-announces-intent-transition-key-internet-domain-name-functions">NTIA's
announcement</a> , these functions were to be transferred to "the
global multistakeholder community".<br>
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<div class="">The phrase “ICANN community” is often used to refer
to all of those parties that</div>
<div class="">participate in the various aspects of DNS policy
development. It is sometimes
<div class="">used to mean all those participating in the ICANN
processes of any type, e.g. </div>
<div class="">ICANN overall governance processes. <br>
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Agreed, John. Andrew Sullivan, chair of IAB, used this term with
similar meaning in his recent testimony to the US congress on the
transition. But then, this you would agree is not what can be called
as "global multistakeholder community" of NTIA's announcement.
Andrew also agrees that the "empowered community" to which the
oversight powers over ICANN are being transitioned is this same
"ICANN community" as more or less you describe. To quote his
testimony, "<font face="sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt"
size="3">......depends
on the newly empowered community. We already know what that
community is like, because it comprises the very same structures
that
ICANN has relied upon for many years.”</font></font>
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It is therefore evident that oversight power has been transitioned
to the "ICANN community" and not as asked for by NTIA to the "global
multistakeholder community". Do you see this as a problem? I see a
big political problem - a really big one. What US gov asked for and
promised has not at all been done - something quite different has
been done. <br>
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This is the kind of politically expedient slipping between different
meanings of 'community' that we find problematic, and has become an
endemic feature of the 'ICANN model', and is the subject of this
discussion thread. <br>
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Not only has the oversight power been transitioned to this narrow
"ICANN community" but it is also the same one that came up with the
proposal for such a transition (within the often expressed and
unexpressed commandments by the US gov and ICANN board, who have
mostly spoken the same things).<br>
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What I am trying to understand is, where is the "global
multistakeholder community" here, which was supposed to exercise the
new oversight? (If you are now going to establish a representative
relationship between the two communities that would be interesting,
and we should discuss it.)<br>
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Not that the concerned people dont understand that there is a world
outside the narrow ICANN community, the global public whose
interests are implicated. But that public is not invoked when
decision making processes are working - as mentioned, the transition
proposal was developed by the "ICANN community" itself (anyone
arguing against this?). But when political rhetoric is to be
employed to claim political legitimacy, see how the language twists
(the below is from the same testimony of IAB chief)<br>
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<blockquote>"<font face="sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt"
size="3">Finally,
it would undermine the multistakeholder processes that have
been a
foundation of the Internet’s success, by telling the global
Internet community that its historic, worldwide consensus
around this
proposal is meaningless."</font></font>
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And of course everyone know that "global multistakeholder
community", which is the original term used by NTIA in the original
announcement, is something else altogether. Below again from the
same testimony. <br>
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<blockquote>"<font face="sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt"
size="3">A
consensus this broad will be frustrated and fragile when faced
with
delay, and such a delay would represent an attack on the
global
multistakeholder community."</font></font>
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</style>Wow! When required for political rhetoric, the "global MS
community " is back! It has just temporarily gone missing when real
decisions were being taken. <br>
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parminder <br>
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cite="mid:6D460168-FFBD-473D-ABA1-E5550779A851@istaff.org"
type="cite">Thus confusion in meaning is inevitable
<div class="">given that the DNS community is not organized
distinctly from ICANN, as opposed</div>
<div class="">some defect inherent in the term “community”...</div>
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<div class="">/John</div>
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<div class="">Disclaimers: my thoughts alone - do not impinge on
the good reputation any </div>
<div class="">other person or organization by misattribution of
these inchoate musings…</div>
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