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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 25 May 2016 06:33 PM,
Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Pranesh,
<div>I also have a concern - serious at least in my view. The
third paragraph of the statement begins with this sentence <span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"<span
style="color:rgb(87,87,87);font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:20px">When
the Internet community came together in Marrakech in March
2016 to endorse and forward the IANA transition package to
NTIA, there was consensus that the product of two years of
challenging hard work was robust and credible and met the
key NTIA criteria."</span><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:20px"><font
color="#444444"> </font></span><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:20px"><font
color="#444444">I have noticed, and questioned publicly,
the spreading</font><font color="#000000"> "loose" use
of the word "community" which is leading, again in my
view, to a rather dangerous conflation of concepts. To
my mind it is incorrect to suggest that the ICANN
community, which met in Marrakech in March, is the same
thing as the internet community of which the ICANN
community is a subset. This - deliberately? - confusing
use of the word "community" has been going on for
several years.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:20px"><font
color="#000000">I wonder does anyone else consider it to
be a matter for concern?</font></span></span></div>
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The problem with the abuse of the term 'community' is not limited to
a particular para of this CS letter -- it is endemic to the ICANN
structure, including very prominently in the IANA transition
process. The US gov conditions for IANA transition spoke of
transition of oversight to global multi-stakeholder community ....
It then somehow become 'internet community' and then even narrower
'icann community'. All these concepts get used inter-changeably, as
per convenience of making some point or the other. I have often
written to the CCWG list (the WG looking at ICANN accountability)
asking people to define what exactly is considered 'community' here,
especially when 'community' or 'empowered community' is actually
entering the legal language around ICANN. And this question was
addressed to the group which otherwise, in drafting transition
documents , has been hair splitting over each word, concept and term
for precise meaning.... The group never ever replies to this
question. <br>
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So, Deirdre, you are referring to what is a very foundational
problem -- is community everyone who is interested in Internet gov
and policies being impacted by it - but then why it is not 'public',
the traditional political/ policy/ gov term.... But if this
community is a smaller subset of the 'public', what boundaries or
conditions define it? you wont find any response answer, bec any
response would open up the question of political legitimacy of the
ICANN structure... 'community' is a multistakeholderist term of art
that covers for 'public' because they dont like the 'public' term...
Why they dont like it is something that I would leave it for you and
others to guess :) <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:20px"><font
color="#000000">Best wishes</font></span></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:20px"><font
color="#000000">Deirdre</font></span></span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 May 2016 at 04:11, Pranesh
Prakash <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pranesh@cis-india.org" target="_blank">pranesh@cis-india.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br>
I recently came across this:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bestbits.net/iana-transition/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/iana-transition/</a><br>
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However, I never saw its contents being discussed on this
list. Did I somehow fail to receive those messages?<br>
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I am quite concerned about the way the letter takes an
uncritical global North approach to the IANA transition, and
refuses to contend with the power dynamics at play.<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The undersigned civil society and public interest groups
believe that the IANA transition is a positive development
for the Domain Name System and for the Internet at large,
and that the process to develop the transition proposal
has been a successful expression of multistakeholder
approaches to Internet decision-making.<br>
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I have pointed out in the past that this IANA transition
process fails the requirements of the NetMundial Statement,
and was primarily led by corporate interests in the US, and
men:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/global-multistakeholder-community-neither-global-nor-multistakeholder"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/global-multistakeholder-community-neither-global-nor-multistakeholder</a><br>
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Regards,<br>
Pranesh<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-- <br>
Pranesh Prakash<br>
Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cis-india.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cis-india.org</a>
| tel:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B91%2080%2040926283" value="+918040926283"
target="_blank">+91 80 40926283</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sip%3Apranesh@ostel.co" target="_blank">sip:pranesh@ostel.co</a>
| <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xmpp%3Apranesh@cis-india.org"
target="_blank">xmpp:pranesh@cis-india.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/pranesh" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://twitter.com/pranesh</a><br>
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