<p dir="ltr">Thank you Mawaki. That is my point of view too. Yesterday I heard a very interesting quote "we knew we were doing the wrong thing, but nobody asked us to stop".</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards <br>
Mwendwa Kivuva</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 12, 2015 5:15 AM, "ymshana2003" <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>+1</div><div>Nawaki Chango..</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from Samsung Mobile</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Mawaki Chango <u></u> <br>Date:12/11/2015 09:38 (GMT+02:00) <br>To: "Carlos A. Afonso" <u></u> <br>Cc: Felipe Sanches <u></u>,Internet Governance <u></u>,Renata Aquino Ribeiro <u></u>,BestBits list <u></u> <br>Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] update on Brazilian activists <br><br><p dir="ltr">N.B. I have read the posts that came after this one re opening up the rules to a multistakeholder process. But since they weren't posted to IGC list I'm replying at this level in the thread. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">The argument in favor of banishing all forms of unscripted collective expression at a UN event is a bit strange, though. That the ability (right?) to protest must be subject to an organization's procedural rules defined by bureaucrats?</p>
<p dir="ltr">To the best of my knowledge, the right for people to protest has never been gladly granted by any authority before they demanded it. And I thought protests in free societies were only expected to stand the test of legality, which is defined by national law (the fact that the venue of a UN event is considered a UN territory notwithstanding.) Even people protest illegally when the laws are unjust or illegitimate. </p>
<p dir="ltr">In any case, it's obvious this rule needs some multistakeholder scrutiny for the good of the right to free and peaceful expression, including protests.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Mawaki</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 11, 2015 3:50 PM, "Carlos Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I do hope they do not. This caused a huge problem for all of us (civil<br>
society here at the IGF). We had (event organizers, the BR gov, CGI.br)<br>
a very hard time to have the UN revert the decision to reinstate the<br>
credentials and not to suspend others.<br>
<br>
Now the UN is checking bags for "harmful or suspicious" content.<br>
<br>
There are several forms of advocacy and manifestation, and some may do<br>
more harm than good. Unfortunately this was one case.<br>
<br>
Strangely enough, the rules are published in the IGF page (FAQs<br>
section), and some CS people argued they did not know the rules because<br>
they were not published.<br>
<br>
fraternal regards<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
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On 11-11-15 12:32, Felipe Sanches wrote:<br>
> Now I hope they raise their banners again :-)<br>
><br>
> "Paz sem voz é medo" (Peace without voice is fear)<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has<br>
> been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who<br>
> contributed w/ the negotiation<br>
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