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governance
processes should be selected through open , democratic, and
transparent processes. Different <i><b>stakeholder groups
should self -
manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known,
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 31 October 2015 01:19 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 31 October 2015 12:47 PM,
Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Parminder,</div>
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<div>While I agree with your analysis,</div>
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Ian, I am not sure you are seeing it the way I am. This is not
about 4-5 of us getting a few minutes from the podium. This is
about civil society representation will be chosen in the IG space.
And if you really feel it the way i do, why would you not agree to
write as such to those in charge of the process. <br>
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<div> I don’t think there is any chance at all that this
process will be changed in the short timeframe involved,
however strong a protest we make. </div>
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As I said, it does not matter if it changes. There is a larger
structural point here. On the other hand, I am about 90 percent
sure that if all groups involved in CSCG writes that this is not
right, and please let us do our own selection they would agree.
Civil society seems to have forgotten to leverage its legitimacy,
and we seem to cave in to just about everything, a being beyond us
to influence. This is not how it should be at all, <br>
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<div>So my own thoughts are that it is probably best to get
involved, and from that position make a strong statement
that the process is flawed and problematic from our point
of view.</div>
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Are you saying that the chosen speakers will speak from the podium
that this process is flawed, and in this way? Please be clear. But
if we are ready to have our speakers speak about it at the high
level meeting, why would we not want to write about it to the
co-facilitators and the concerned UN bureaucracy? Isnt that much
simpler, and at least have the potential of meaningful impact.<br>
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face="Calibri" size="3">I also feel that we should be
involved because in doing so we are able to correct
some excesses from our point of view, but certainly
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<font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Again, did not understand.
What excesses, and how are they corrected?</font></font><br>
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that’s just a personal point of view. We have just
opened a discussion on this in CSCG and decisions may be
quite different.</div>
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problem is that CSCG as such cannot nominate. Those who
can according to this process are: </div>
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These criteria are for those individuals who want to apply to be
on the multistakeholder selection committee. My proposal is to
disassociate CS selection from this multistakeholder selection
process, and ask for CSCG to do it (I find it highly likely that
they'd agree). So, the issue of the creteria you mention simply
does not apply to the proposal I am making and seeking your and
other people's views on. <br>
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style="face: "Times" new="" roman?="">Non-governmental
organizations in consultative status with the Economic
and Social Council • Organizations accredited to the
World Summit on the Information Society held in Geneva
(2003) and Tunis (2005) • Organizations accredited to
the WSIS Forum held from 2011 to 2015 • Organizations
with observer status with the United Nations
Conference on Trade and Development • Attendees of the
UNESCO WSIS+10 - ICT4D Conference or the UNESCO WSIS -
Connecting the Dots Conference • Organizations
accredited to the Financing for Development (FFD)
process • Organizations accredited to the United
Nations Sustainable Development Summit 2015 •
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if CSCG as such is involved, it will have to be with our
nominations as representatives of civil society
organisations who do fit one at least of the above
criteria.</div>
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I am not asking for the CSCG to get involved with this
multistakeholder selection process. On the contrary, I am asking
for us to disassociate from it. <br>
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problem is that the time frame for selecting speakers is
roughly that of IGF – and with a 15 hour estimated
commitment it may not be easy to find people able to
represent us. I believe that if we are involved we
should try to fill both civil society slots on the
selection panel. But that will have to be as two
separate nominations (backed by CSCG) from different CS
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Again, you are speaking of CSCG getting involved with the current
process, which is fundamentally different from my proposal to ask
for CS nominations to be taken off the multistakeholder process,
and be taken over by CSCG itself. Same about the rest of your
email below.<br>
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Ian, lets look at it in two parts. Do the involved CS groups agree
that other stakeholders - big business, gov, ICANN/ ISOC - should
not be involved in selection of its reps? Yes or no. If yes, then
let us that put down in a letter. I am happy to fight the case,
but if we have such a position and want to fight the case. We
cannot keep citing expediency for just everything. But if we are
ok with such a process, that is a different matter, and let
different groups and individuals give their views... Their has to
be some limit to - we agree it is wrong, but....<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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if we do nominate representatives on the selection
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if I may add a further factor – I will be stepping down
as the Independent Chair of CSCG shortly, as my term
expires soon. I will not be standing again, as various
factors are making it difficult for me to maintain an
active involvement in these forums; and I think it is
time for one of our very talented (and younger) members
to take over. CSCG is currently drafting an EOI to seek
a new independent Chair, with the aim of opening that
process before IGF so that people get a chance to
discuss it while many are present in Brazil. So the
replacement process hopefully will complete by the end
of this year.</div>
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in these circumstances – it would be good to hear from
anyone who has an interest in working with CSCG as part
of this particular process; I don’t necessarily want to
be involved if we have good reps able to consult with
CSCG members. If anyone is interested in this and wants
to contact me privately to assist in this way, I would
be happy to discuss further and approach CSCG as regards
their involvement.</div>
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for opening up a discussion on this. </div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:32 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] NOTE - Call for
Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General
Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10</div>
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face="Verdana">Please see the below announcement.<br>
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It seems that there is a strong effort to
institutionalise a system of civil society reps for
speaker roles, but perhaps later also for more
substantive roles, </font>being selected by
multistakeholder committees, meaning that big business and
technical community gets a veto over civil society rep
selection. (Do remember here that 'technical community'
here is not that odd free and open software group
volunteering their time in supporting government schools
or the such. This term is accepted in the IG world now to
denote those who work for and represent organisations
engaged with technical governance of the Internet, and
thus represent a governance status quo group. The semantic
confusion about the term, as being people with technical
capacities, is deliberate in order to utilise a certain
legitimacy for what is a power based governance system.)<br>
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The structural problem with such a process should be
obvious.<br>
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This is not acceptable for me, my organisation and the
networks that I work with. Civil society has traditionally
been fiercely protective of its independence, which
includes the right to choose its own nominees (for
instance, any efforts at national govs 'clearing' civil
society reps from their countries has been strongly
resisted at the UN and other global governance levels). I
think we need to write back to those responsible for this
process that , thanks but no thanks, you tell us how many
CS sepakers you want and we have a process of selection
for CS reps and we will deliver the names by the date you
want.<br>
<br>
May I appeal to Ian and the CSCG to frame and send such a
letter to WSIS process co-facilitators, and the concerned
UN bureaucracy, at the earliest. Before these mentioned
deadlines pass.<br>
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Meanwhile, let me give some background on this....<br>
<br>
Just Net Coalition did write a letter addressed to the
co-facilitators against such a process of big business
sitting over decisions on CS reps. It seems to have had no
effect.<br>
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A few years back, there was an attempt by a certain group
in the IGF MAG, led by the then Exec Director of the IGF,
Markus Kummer, to institute a method of selections of non
gov MAG members by a committee of older non gov MAG
members. I was able to attend MAG meetings in those days
as a Special Advisor to the chair. I opposed such a
process of CS nominee selection by a committee that
included big business and technical community (read the
ICANN/ ISOC system). I was able to get the support of a
few CS MAG members in the room, and I distinctly remember
Graciala, Katitza, and Foaud in this regard, and perhaps a
person or two more whose names may have dropped from my
memory (my apologies).... And because of the CS opposition
this problematic move had to be abandoned. Now it seems
to be coming back from another door, and we need to stand
up against it once again.<br>
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Again, we have very little turnaround time here. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 30 October 2015
08:04 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote:<br>
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Date: Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM<br>
Subject: [NGO News:] Call for Nomination:
Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly
High-level Meeting on WSIS+10<br>
To: <a href="mailto:crossini@publicknowledge.org"
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<p><strong>Deadlines: </strong></p>
<p><span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>8
November 2015: Apply for Selection Committee</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>12
November 2015: Apply for Speaking Roles</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>The General Assembly High-level Meeting
on the overall review of the implementation of
the outcomes of the World Summit on the
Information Society will take place on 15-16
December 2015 at the UN Headquarters in New
York.</strong></p>
<p>This high-level meeting will provide an
opportunity for in-depth discussions on
important issues in the implementation of the
WSIS outcomes, including the progress, gaps and
challenges, as well as areas for future actions.</p>
<p><strong>To apply to speak at the High-level
Meeting, please complete the form available <a
href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ffRSw8C5UGYRKrzdpCiWnyc2EMVTbmZ1SVGNnhs0FcQ/viewform"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">here</a></strong>.
Applications will be accepted from <strong>30
October to</strong> <strong>12 November 2015</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>A Selection Committee will be
established</strong> in order to ensure broad
and inclusive participation of stakeholders in
the high-level meeting. Applications to the
Selection Committee will be accepted from <strong>30
October to 8 November 2015</strong>. To learn
more about the Selection Committee, please see
the Terms of Reference <span>by <a
href="http://csonet.org/content/documents/WSIS+10_ToR_Steering_Committee.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">clicking
on this link</a></span>. <strong>To apply
to participate in the stakeholder Selection
Committee, please complete the form available
</strong><a
href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pzCRKLri16XUMNYNA9QECFnhCrO9Ub7ex0Ho2vdYp2k/viewform"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><strong>here</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Background</strong></p>
<p>In December of 2003, the world came together in
Geneva at the World Summit on Information
Society (WSIS) to declare a "common desire and
commitment to build a people-centred, inclusive
and development-oriented Information Society,"
and ushered in an era of harnessing the power of
information and communication technology to
contribute to the achievement of the Millennium
Development Goals (MDGs). The resulting Geneva
Plan of Action established targets and the
eleven action lines, which guide development in
specific areas.</p>
<p>The second phase of WSIS, conducted in Tunis in
2005, built upon the achievements of the Geneva
Plan, with the resulting Tunis Agenda addressing
additional issues, such as financing and
internet governance. Paragraph 111 of the Tunis
Agenda, endorsed by the General Assembly in
resolution 60/252, requested the General
Assembly to undertake the overall review of the
implementation of the outcomes of WSIS in 2015.
In response, the General Assembly in resolution
68/302, decided that the overall review will be
concluded by a two-day high-level meeting of the
General Assembly, to be preceded by an
intergovernmental process that also takes into
account inputs from all relevant stakeholders of
WSIS.</p>
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