<div dir="ltr"><div>+1, Carlos y George.</div><div><br></div><div>Willi - I reckon the Unconference will be lovely and I plan to attend, at least in part, given commitments.</div><div><br></div><div>As a MAG member who has given a lot of her free time to coordinating (for the first time) the drafting of guidelines for workshop proposals, and with the help of the community translating said guidelines into <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/workshop-proposals/considerations-for-workshop-proposers#unofficial-translations" target="_blank">multiple languages</a> (which I suspect led to the marked increase of proposals from first-timers and developing countries), I would say that the characterisation of the IGF in your email is not entirely on point.</div><div><br></div><div>With that said, if the Ungovernance forum would like to distinguish itself from the IGF, then I'd suggest emphasizing the "<a href="http://barcamp.org/w/page/405173/TheRulesOfBarCamp">bar camp style</a>" of organization of the program (i.e. made on the day with those participants involved, all-inclusive) as opposed to making broad and sweeping statements about the integrity of the IGF. </div><div><br></div><div>Let's be positive and collaborative here, not combative. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Susan</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><br>Susan Chalmers<br>susan@chalmers.associates<br><br><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><b>CHALMERS</b> & ASSOCIATES</span><br><a href="http://chalmers.associates" target="_blank">http://chalmers.associates</a></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:31 PM, George Sadowsky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:george.sadowsky@gmail.com" target="_blank">george.sadowsky@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Carlos,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your comprehensive note and for being a voice of reason. IGF truly _is_ what different stakeholders make of it.<br>
<br>
George<br>
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On Jul 6, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear people,<br>
><br>
> I write this, as usual, in my personal capacity, now with the help of a<br>
> few other colleagues.<br>
><br>
> Personally I have nothing against "unconferences" or parallel meetings.<br>
> Every group has the right to organize events on their own taking<br>
> advantage of the occasion.<br>
><br>
> However, the justifications for the "unconference" at the 10th IGF, as<br>
> presented in the announcement message below, start from false premises.<br>
> IGF is a UN event with special characteristics -- it is a pluralist<br>
> space (unlike, for example, the recently proposed Internet Social Forum,<br>
> which requires previous adherence to a letter of commitments, in<br>
> practice excluding many groups and individuals from the dialogue).<br>
><br>
> IGF is what the different stakeholders make of it, and organized civil<br>
> society has always had space to propose and participate since the very<br>
> first IGF in 2006. I recommend that the promoters of parallel events<br>
> overview the more than 100 workshops approved for the upcoming IGF to<br>
> conclude that the event is far from being "controlled by business and<br>
> governments". The workshops' list (and descriptions) is here:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/workshop-proposals/list-of-published-workshop-proposals" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/workshop-proposals/list-of-published-workshop-proposals</a><br>
><br>
> Here are some examples of workshops, among many others, which deal with<br>
> issues of obvious interest to civil society, with multistakeholder<br>
> participation (as required by IGF):<br>
><br>
> No. 10 FOSS & a Free, Open Internet: Synergies for Development<br>
> No. 31 The “Right to be Forgotten” Rulings and their Implications<br>
> No. 49 No Grey Areas – Against Sexual Exploitation of Children<br>
> No. 60 Benchmarking ICT companies on digital rights<br>
> No. 68 Can civil society impact Global Internet Governance?<br>
> No. 96 #AfricanInternetRights: whose rights are these anyway?<br>
> No. 134 Organising an Internet Social Forum - Occupy the Internet<br>
> No. 152 Political dissent & online anonymity in developing countries<br>
> No. 186 A multistakeholder and humanrights approach to cybersecurity<br>
> No. 188 Spectrum allocations: challenges & opportunities at the edge<br>
> No. 214 Internet interconnection under regulatory pressure<br>
> No. 224 Civil Society and Information Controls in the Global South<br>
> No. 226 Internet governance and Open Government Data initiatives<br>
> No. 239 Bitcoin, Blockchain and Beyond: FLASH HELP!<br>
> No. 242 The Manila Principles on Intermediary Liability<br>
><br>
> Workshops might be flash sessions, panels or roundtables, lasting from<br>
> 30 to 90 minutes. There are also the "dynamic coalitions", organized<br>
> groups of people and entities working together on several crucial themes<br>
> independently of the IGF (but stimulated by it and which hold meetings<br>
> during the event):<br>
><br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and Disability<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Child Online Safety<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Freedom of Expression and Freedom of the Media on<br>
> the Internet<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Gender and Internet Governance<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Internet and Climate Change<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Network Neutrality<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Platform Responsibility (DC PR)<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on Public Access in Libraries<br>
> Dynamic Coalition on the Internet of Things<br>
> Youth Coalition on Internet Governance<br>
><br>
> It is relevant to notice that most of the more than 100 workshops<br>
> accepted this year were proposed by civil society organizations.<br>
> Proposals by governments and intergovernmental organizations were just a<br>
> few. Information on the proposing organizations is on the IGF Web site.<br>
> Also, nearly half of the approved workshops were proposed by<br>
> organizations from developing countries.<br>
><br>
> The Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG/IGF) recommends that in every<br>
> workshop and main sessions there should be balanced participation of<br>
> panelists, discussants and other invitees taking into account the<br>
> diversity of nations, continents, sectors (government, business, civil<br>
> society, technical/academic community), and gender. This diversity has<br>
> been a relevant factor in approving the workshops, and the IGF<br>
> secretariat will work together with workshops' organizers to make sure<br>
> this directive is taken into account.<br>
><br>
> I notice also that the promoters of the unconference call "on our<br>
> participants to resist seeing the problems of the Internet as only<br>
> technological and void of its materiality." It is quite possible that<br>
> other forums or entities, according to their scopes and goals, treat the<br>
> Internet from a purely technical point of view. This is certainly not<br>
> the case of the IGF, created precisely as a dialogue for non-technical<br>
> questions which do not find space in other forums. A rapid reading of<br>
> the workshops' descriptions listed above illustrates this fact quite<br>
> well. There are just a few approved workshops which limit themselves to<br>
> technical issues. Nearly all try to consider social, cultural, economic<br>
> and political aspects related to the development and use of the<br>
> Internet, always with a multistakeholder approach.<br>
><br>
> I strongly recommend that you all participate in the IGF, either<br>
> remotely or in person, without excluding participation in other parallel<br>
> events as you wish, of course.<br>
><br>
> fraternal regards<br>
><br>
> --c.a.<br>
><br>
> On 06/25/2015 12:47 PM, willi uebelherr wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Dear friends,<br>
>><br>
>> 2014 we had the Internet Ungovernance Forum in Istanbul in Turkey. Now,<br>
>> this year, this people organize it in Brasil.<br>
>><br>
>> I think, this is the most important event in this year to the theme:<br>
>> Internet Governance.<br>
>><br>
>> many greetings, willi<br>
>> Porto Alegre, Brasil<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Internet Ungovernance Forum Brasil<br>
>> November 2015<br>
>> João Pessoa - Paraíba, Brasil<br>
>> <a href="http://iuf.partidopirata.org/index-en.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://iuf.partidopirata.org/index-en.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> Internet Ungovernance Forum Brasil is for those of us who demand free,<br>
>> secure, and open internet for all!<br>
>><br>
>> We're organizing the Internet Ungovernance Forum on November 2015, for<br>
>> everyone who demand that fundamental freedoms, openness, unity and net<br>
>> neutrality remain the building blocks of the Internet. Our objective is<br>
>> to talk about the true and real problems of the internet, how can we<br>
>> solve them and to chart a path for action.<br>
>><br>
>> Our forum will be in parallel to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF)<br>
>> 2015 which will also be held in João Pessoa in november. Interested<br>
>> parties all around the world will join and follow this important event.<br>
>> However, we see that at IGF the most urgent problems of the Internet do<br>
>> not get proper attention. Due to its format, the main perpetrators of<br>
>> many of the Internet's problems, for example the governments and<br>
>> corporations, are getting representation in IGF that they don’t deserve.<br>
>> Given these circumstances, we decided to take initiative to defend the<br>
>> Internet as we know it and to create a parallel space to raise the<br>
>> voices of civil society initiatives, activists and common people.<br>
>><br>
>> For us, the most vital problems today are censorship and freedom of<br>
>> speech; surveillance and privacy; excessive commercialization and<br>
>> super-monopolies; protective, prohibitionist and conservative governance<br>
>> approaches; awful governance examples as in the case of Brasil and the<br>
>> list goes on. Further, we do not see any of these problems independent<br>
>> of the greater political, social and economic contexts in which the<br>
>> Internet and related digital infrastructures are embedded in.<br>
>><br>
>> We want to reclaim the Internet as a fundamental infrastructure of our<br>
>> societies, cities, education, health, work, media, communications,<br>
>> culture and everyday activities.<br>
>><br>
>> We call on our participants to resist seeing the problems of the<br>
>> Internet as only technological and void of its materiality.<br>
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