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+1 to Claudio and Anriette.<br>
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Since we do not work in IP and relevant areas so did not comment on
the thread.<br>
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...but I have to say that increasingly I find the lists to be quite
hostile. It wasn't like that earlier. Can we try to work towards
better environment of online interactions?<br>
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I fear that newcomers won't be able to contribute much otherwise.
Yes, we can disagree but still be much more productive and goal
oriented.<br>
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Best wishes and regards<br>
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Shahzad<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/21/15 12:43 AM, Claudio Ruiz
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<pre wrap="">Strong +1 to Anriette as well.
It’s heartbreaking to me to receive so much emails about the definition of MS on every single thread someone put on the list no matter whether the thread is exactly that or one of the most important initiatives on copyright and public interest around the world such as the Global Congress.
There are people who apparently really enjoy to have this long discussions on long emails threads transforming everything into a discussion on MS or ICANN or, lately, what public interest means.
Personally speaking, it would be a better use of my time to use our BestBits mailing list to have substantive and productive exchange of ideas, experiences and points of view, rather than to convert it as a public space for a handful of people with apparently time and resources to share endless discussions about they think it’s important. And, let me tell you: it isn’t.
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<pre wrap="">On May 19, 2015, at 14:13, Anriette Esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"><anriette@apc.org></a> wrote:
Dear all
I am writing against my better judgement, but here goes anyway.
The Global Congress on IP has been one of the most important spaces were
radical civil society has mobilised and strategised against some of the
most problematic US-government lead initiatives with regard to impact on
access to knowledge in recent years - ACTA and TPP.
I have only ever been an observer at the Global Congress (when it was in
Cape Town in 2013) but have always learnt a lot, and I really value the
work that this community does in WIPO among other spaces. In Africa the
Global Congress has collaborated with projects such as the African
Access to Knowledge project.. people that we have done really important
work with, and who have influenced intellectual property legislation
positively. They work with groups such as councils for the blind and
visually impaired, and the library community. People that we need in
internet governance spaces if we want to build movement for social
justice in internet governance.
I find it extremely disappointing and distressing that the debate in
this thread is not about substantial issues that the Global Congress
will address, but about whether it is 'multistakeholder' or not -
evolving into yet another set of assertions that everyone who supports
the notion of multistakeholder in ANY sense at all is by definition
coopted by empire.
Why not write about substantive issues, and about how to pursue a social
justice agenda around the issues that are internet-related that the
Global Congress will address?
Anriette
On 19/05/2015 18:51, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Coming to the context of the series of congresses on 'Intellectual
property and public interest', here is the list of participants
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Participants-Handout1.pdf"><http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Participants-Handout1.pdf></a>of
the 2011 Congress . Just one big business participant - Google among
scores and scores others. And none in program committee, or among the
hosing group or funders (except one, again Google, which is certainly
an oddity, perhaps explainable but wont go there right now) . No way
to me this looks like a multistakeholder or MS conference, as we have
come to understand the term in the Internet governance space.
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Apples and oranges; the Global Congress on IP and the Public Interest
never purported to be a multi-stakeholder event; it is closer to a Best
Bits meeting or your Internet Social Forum, both of which are civil
society only, than it is to something like the IGF.
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