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<font face="Verdana">Peng Hwa<br>
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Since you seem to rely on wikipedia, before declaring that
although 'everyone knows what knows what multi stakeholder is'
'public interest is a problematic concept' (both direct quotes
from your email) did you look up 'public interest' in wikipedia?
Well, here it is <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_interest">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_interest</a><br>
<br>
A comparative assessment of the two entries in wikipedia -
respectively on MSism (multistakeholderism) and public interest -
would make clear which one is clearer and less contested term. <br>
<br>
Which in turn clearly proves that an assertion in favour of
'clarity' of the MS term with respect to the 'public interest'
term is not based on any kind of facts or on existing body of
civilisational knoweldge . It is merely ideological, which was my
prior point. And the fact that a regional IGF process takes such a
bias as a given - and does not correct itself even when the
'error' is pointed out - makes a important political point, which
is the political point that I have been trying to make..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 18 May 2015 06:45 AM, Ang
Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
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<div>Deirdre,</div>
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<div>Google multistakeholder.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=multistakeholder&oq=multistakeholder&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j69i65l2.2580j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8">https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=multistakeholder&oq=multistakeholder&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j69i65l2.2580j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8</a></div>
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<div>The first entry is a Wiki where Norbert Bellow is quoted
and where he distinguishes between types even.</div>
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<div>The second entry is a glossary entry from APC. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>The third entry is an ICANNWiki entry.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Like many words, there is a “core” meaning and moving
beyond that, more than 50 shades of greying that keeps
academics employed.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Regards, </div>
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<div>
<div>Ang Peng Hwa</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Williams Deirde
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 18 May
2015 2:04 am<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Internet Governance
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>,
Ang Peng Hwa <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tphang@ntu.edu.sg">tphang@ntu.edu.sg</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Parminder Singh
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:parminder@ITforChange.net">parminder@ITforChange.net</a>>,
BestBitsList <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,
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href="mailto:forum@justnetcoalition.org">forum@justnetcoalition.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress on
Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 18px;">"Everyone
knows what multistakeholder is. That’s easy."</span><br>
<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 18px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Respectfully, (I'm
making a comment/asking for clarification, not
trying to pick a quarrel), I have the impression
that the problem is that everyone
<i>doesn't</i> know, or rather that everyone doesn't
agree. "Multistakeholder" seems to me to have become
a "Humpty Dumpty" word -</font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: verdana, sans-serif; line-height:
17.5499992370605px;">'When </span><strong
style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;line-height:17.5499992370605px">I</strong><span
style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: verdana, sans-serif; line-height:
17.5499992370605px;"> use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said,
in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I
choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: verdana, sans-serif; line-height:
17.5499992370605px;">(from Alice Through the Looking
Glass/Lewis Carroll /</span><font color="#000000"
face="verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="line-height:17.5499992370605px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sabian.org/looking_glass6.php">http://sabian.org/looking_glass6.php</a>)</span></font></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I've begun to
record, for my own benefit, when how and where the
term is used, and to notice those contexts in which
it is not used.</font></span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Does
"multistakeholder" now have a stable definition?
Does "multistakeholderism"?</font></span></div>
<div><font color="#000000"
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Best wishes</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Deirdre</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2015 at 11:13, Ang Peng
Hwa (Prof) <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">>So,
in fact, indeed the dominant groups involved
with the IGF process do seem to think that
'public interest' is a problematic concept,
and the idea of 'multistakeholder
perspective' or interest is a positive
political evolution over it!</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>What a curious (mis)reading.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First of all, I do not see how the APrIGF can
be representative of “dominant groups”. We are,
at best/worst an n of 1. Nah, I would not want
to be one of the MASTERS of the UNIVERSE.</div>
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</div>
<div>Second, it is precisely because public
interest is a problematic concept that the
APrIGF is not using that notion. We have no time
to discuss it before we roll out the meeting.
Everyone knows what multistakeholder is. That’s
easy. But public interest—we could discuss it as
a panel if you wish.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would of course have to be next year.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But if I say that it is next year, it is
because of the deadline. Not because, once
again, that public interest is not a problematic
conception.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Regards, </div>
<div>Peng Hwa</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Parminder
Singh <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">parminder@ITforChange.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday,
17 May 2015 9:46 pm<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[governance] Call for Participation: Global
Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public
Interest, 2015<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Interesting theme of
this series of global congresses:
'Intellectual Property and the Public
Interest' !<br>
<br>
Wonder if you ever thought of calling it
"IP and the multistakeholder Interest' ?<br>
<br>
You all have have seen the discussion I
recently had with Peng Hwa, head of the AP
regional IGF process for many years, who
strongly argued that public interest
perspective is a very unclear concept but
multistakeholder perspective or interest
is much easier to establish.<br>
<br>
The discussion started when I objected to
the call for workshops for the AP regional
IGF which was categorical that every
workshop proposal must incorporate a
'multistakeholder perspective'. I
suggested that it be replaced by 'public
interest'. This suggestion was not
accepted. So, in fact, indeed the
dominant groups involved with the IGF
process do seem to think that 'public
interest' is a problematic concept, and
the idea of 'multistakeholder perspective'
or interest is a positive political
evolution over it!<br>
<br>
Friends, these are serious post-democratic
developments to which, it is my duty of
observe, most of the civil society
involved in IG area are either a silent or
active accomplices.
<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, of course, I wait for arguments
that Internet ( unlike intellectual
property!?) is a bottom up , private, etc
etc, thing, and therefore its governance
has to be different.... Well, lets admit
it, such an arugment really does not hold
unless we are intent to be misled by it -
the social artefact of the Internet is no
more bottom up, private, etc that the
social relationships of trade and
property, whose governance continue to be
done in democratic fashions... Time we
claimed democratic governance for the
Internet as well, and rubbish the
post-democratic multistakeholderist ideas
that are so solidly taking root in this
space, for which the IG civil society will
have to answer to history.
<br>
<br>
Would anyone agree that the proposed
global congress on IP and public interest
to be held in a 'multistakeholder' way,
with equal space for the big IP holders,
as one always insists for an IG meeting...
What really is the difference, other than
that the discourse in the IG space has
been captured by powerful forces before
public interest actors could assert
themselves. Civil society in this area
must help in re-democraticing this area,
and reclaiming 'public interest'.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, my best wishes to the the
organisers of this very importanr
congress.<br>
<br>
In fact some of us have been talking about
holding a global congress on 'Internet
governance and public interest'. Happy to
talk to those who may be interested.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
On Friday 15 May 2015 03:21 PM, Geetha
Hariharan wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">PFA the call for
participation for the Global Congress on
Intellectual<br>
Property and Public Interest.<br>
<br>
Apologies for cross-posting. Please do
circulate to anyone you think<br>
might be interested.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Geetha.<br>
<br>
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From: Swaraj Barooah<br>
Date: Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:05 PM<br>
Subject: Call for Participation: Global
Congress on Intellectual<br>
Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
We are pleased to announce the call for
participation for the fourth<br>
edition of the Global Congress on
Intellectual Property and the Public<br>
Interest (“Global Congress”). The theme
for this year’s Congress will be<br>
“Three Decades of Openness; Two Decades
of TRIPS.” We are now inviting<br>
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would help link in the world's most<br>
populous region to these global debates
around how intellectual property<br>
policy can best serve the public
interest.<br>
<br>
The fourth edition of the Global
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society, industry and regulatory and
policy-making communities together<br>
for active, intense engagement on key
public-interest intellectual<br>
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groups to interact are rare but<br>
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The 4thedition of the Congress, slated
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<http://cis-india.org/></a>serves
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on Intellectual Property and<br>
Public Interest, carried out in
cooperation withNational Law University,<br>
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York,Open A.I.R <a
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American University Washington College
of Law in Washington DC.<br>
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On behalf of the organizing committee,<br>
<br>
Swaraj Barooah<br>
<br>
Swaraj Paul Barooah<br>
Project Manager, "Global Congress"<br>
(Global Congress on IP and the Public
Interest, 2015)<br>
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