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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 05 March 2015 02:05 PM,
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<div>On 5 Mar 2015, at 12:39 am, parminder <<a
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inline !important;">.The fact that some 'civil society'
persons sided with US and its allies (who as the key
power-holders in the global IG realm have their obvious
reasons) to do so indeed makes it a sad day for public
interest advocacy.... parminder<span
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<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I
really find some civil society persons siding with Russia and
the KSA on some issues to be a bigger long term concern for
support of democracy within civil society, but perhaps that is
just me. <br>
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David, I am more that ready for an honest debate, but here you are
cutting some part of an email and making an unconnected case out of
it. The main point in my email was not 'siding with US' but 'siding
with US to resist inclusion of 'democracy' in the UNESCO document',
which I indeed consider nothing less than scandalous . Now, on the
'democracy' part, if you have any views please share them, and if
any questions, I am happy to answer.<br>
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I do not know what and whom you refer to in talking about siding
with Russia (will you like to be explicit). Meanwhile, I will
greatly protest anyone siding with Russia to condone, say violence
against journalists, or arbitrarily shutting down websites - both of
which happen a lot in Russia. However, Id be happy to side with
Russia to resist US and its corporation's hegemony over the global
Internet. Similarly, I'd very happily side with US on spreading
globally its new found enthusiasm for net neutrality and community
broadband as national level best practices. <br>
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Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeremy
Malcolm<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>March
4, 2015 7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy
Malcolm<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[bestbits] [governance] Remarks at UNESCO Closing
Ceremony of "Connecting the Dots Conference"<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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at 4:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">You’re
right, but you can nevertheless thank UNESCO for
the opportunity to participate on a
multi-stakeholder basis and acknowledge that the
outcome document is a lot richer than it would
otherwise have been because of this.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Also, please
clarify that the Just Net Coalition does NOT represent
all of civil society. This given that Richard Hill on
behalf of the coalition has just disrupted the meeting
with a formal objection to the document due to its
omission to qualify references to multi-stakeholderism
with “democratic” (which he incorrectly stated was not
objected to during the last drafting session), and its
omission to include a reference to the International
Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.
Other than his objection, the document was adopted by
the meeting by consensus.<o:p></o:p></div>
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