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    <font face="Verdana">Hi Erik<br>
      <br>
      I can fully understand and appreciate your particular point and
      focus, from the vantage you are looking it from.<br>
      <br>
      On my part, I just used a particular element of the process to
      make a rather different point, which remains a very important one
      in international IG discourse. <br>
      <br>
      Please also see inline.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 14 February 2015 02:17 PM,
      JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:<br>
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        #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Dear parminder,<br>
        <br>
        It does not mean much in terms of content that an amendment
        tabled by a political group with ~7% of the seats in the EP does
        not get a majority.</div>
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    <br>
    Just eager; which political group is this, becuase I do consider the
    amendment proposal to be very sane.<br>
    <br>
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cite="mid:4B654B63C9A4614EA1F088B2490E8F3A435727D7@UCEXBWP009.ep.parl.union.eu"
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      <div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color:
        #000000;font-size: 10pt;"> Happens all the time. </div>
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    <br>
    Maybe it happens. Nonetheless I am concerned that the majority
    actually rejected a proposal for explicitly making MS models
    democratically accountable. It says something to me, which I am
    troubled with.<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:4B654B63C9A4614EA1F088B2490E8F3A435727D7@UCEXBWP009.ep.parl.union.eu"
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      <div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color:
        #000000;font-size: 10pt;">One has to be aware of, and work with,
        the EP internal processes to get Good Stuff through. So, I would
        not worry much about the rejection of the amendment.<br>
        <br>
        What I do worry about though is that it seems nobody on this
        list even knew about it until Carolina pinged on 7 February, 4
        days before the vote.<br>
        <br>
        Were there no public processes in the IG space preparing for the
        EP resolution before that ping?<br>
        <br>
        Why?<br>
        <br>
        //Erik<br>
        <br>
        <br>
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          <div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF583654"><font
              color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] on behalf of
              parminder [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>]<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Saturday 14 February 2015 05:02<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Draft joint statement on
              European Parliament IGF resolution<br>
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            <font face="Verdana">It is rather unfortunate, and perhaps
              ominous, that "democratically accountable mutlistakeholder
              model of IG' is dismissed in favour of just '</font><font
              face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana">mutlistakeholder model
                of IG'.<br>
                <br>
                Does it mean that it is considered unnecessary for
                'multistakeholder model(s) of IG' to be democratically
                accountable?<br>
                <br>
                This is a very important question that must be
                addressed.<br>
                <br>
                It is in this background that the Just Net Coalition has
                been making a distinction between an explicitly
                democratic multistakeholder (MS) models and those MS
                models that do not just avoid mentioning the term
                'democratic' but often actively avoid it - as this
                particular amendment exercise seems to suggest. (A
                distinction that some people here have considered
                superfluous, and perhaps self serving!)<br>
                <br>
                When I said 'ominous' above, I meant how the post
                democratic sentiment that took root at the 'global' 'IG'
                space has begun to spread downwards to spaces where the
                democratic tradition is otherwise rather well entrenched
                (and will also spread to non IG areas as well, such are
                the powerful forces backing the post democratic
                ideologies). One is so disappointed that this kind of
                thing should happen at a forum like the EU. But perhaps
                a good indicator and a warning, if we can use it as one,
                that we may be playing with fire in the unthinking
                promoting of some very problematic governance models in
                the global IG space, unmindful of their impact on
                democratic traditions.
                <br>
                <br>
                parminder <br>
                <br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 12 February 2015
              11:53 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">The final resolution did not contain
              the amendment:<br>
              <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=P8-RC-2015-0099&language=EN"
                target="_blank">www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=P8-RC-2015-0099&language=EN</a><br>
              <br>
              The relevant passage: " Stresses that it is firmly
              committed to the multistakeholder model of internet
              governance; calls upon the Member States, the Commission
              and all relevant stakeholders to further strengthen the
              sustainability of this model by making actors and
              processes at national, regional and international levels
              more inclusive, transparent and accountable;"<br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/02/2015 12:49 pm,
                Carolina Rossini wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">+1 on Erik suggestion 
                  <div>Jeremy, is this still possible?</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:54
                    PM, JOSEFSSON Erik <span dir="ltr">
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:erik.josefsson@europarl.europa.eu"
                        target="_blank">erik.josefsson@europarl.europa.eu</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Arial;
                          color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Please consider
                          explicitly supporting the following amendment
                          too:<br>
                          <br>
                          AM 2 (to point 6):<br>
                          <br>
                          "Stresses that it is firmly committed to a <b>democratically
                            accountable multistakeholder model</b> of
                          Internet governance; calls upon the Member
                          States, the European Commission and all
                          relevant stakeholders to further strengthen
                          the sustainability of the multi-stakeholder
                          model by making actors and processes at
                          national, regional and international levels
                          more inclusive, transparent and accountable;"<br>
                          <br>
                          It should have been tabled less than an hour
                          ago!<br>
                          <br>
                          //Erik<br>
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