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<font face="Verdana">Hi Erik<br>
<br>
I can fully understand and appreciate your particular point and
focus, from the vantage you are looking it from.<br>
<br>
On my part, I just used a particular element of the process to
make a rather different point, which remains a very important one
in international IG discourse. <br>
<br>
Please also see inline.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 14 February 2015 02:17 PM,
JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:<br>
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#000000;font-size: 10pt;">Dear parminder,<br>
<br>
It does not mean much in terms of content that an amendment
tabled by a political group with ~7% of the seats in the EP does
not get a majority.</div>
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Just eager; which political group is this, becuase I do consider the
amendment proposal to be very sane.<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color:
#000000;font-size: 10pt;"> Happens all the time. </div>
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Maybe it happens. Nonetheless I am concerned that the majority
actually rejected a proposal for explicitly making MS models
democratically accountable. It says something to me, which I am
troubled with.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color:
#000000;font-size: 10pt;">One has to be aware of, and work with,
the EP internal processes to get Good Stuff through. So, I would
not worry much about the rejection of the amendment.<br>
<br>
What I do worry about though is that it seems nobody on this
list even knew about it until Carolina pinged on 7 February, 4
days before the vote.<br>
<br>
Were there no public processes in the IG space preparing for the
EP resolution before that ping?<br>
<br>
Why?<br>
<br>
//Erik<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday 14 February 2015 05:02<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Draft joint statement on
European Parliament IGF resolution<br>
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<font face="Verdana">It is rather unfortunate, and perhaps
ominous, that "democratically accountable mutlistakeholder
model of IG' is dismissed in favour of just '</font><font
face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana">mutlistakeholder model
of IG'.<br>
<br>
Does it mean that it is considered unnecessary for
'multistakeholder model(s) of IG' to be democratically
accountable?<br>
<br>
This is a very important question that must be
addressed.<br>
<br>
It is in this background that the Just Net Coalition has
been making a distinction between an explicitly
democratic multistakeholder (MS) models and those MS
models that do not just avoid mentioning the term
'democratic' but often actively avoid it - as this
particular amendment exercise seems to suggest. (A
distinction that some people here have considered
superfluous, and perhaps self serving!)<br>
<br>
When I said 'ominous' above, I meant how the post
democratic sentiment that took root at the 'global' 'IG'
space has begun to spread downwards to spaces where the
democratic tradition is otherwise rather well entrenched
(and will also spread to non IG areas as well, such are
the powerful forces backing the post democratic
ideologies). One is so disappointed that this kind of
thing should happen at a forum like the EU. But perhaps
a good indicator and a warning, if we can use it as one,
that we may be playing with fire in the unthinking
promoting of some very problematic governance models in
the global IG space, unmindful of their impact on
democratic traditions.
<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 12 February 2015
11:53 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The final resolution did not contain
the amendment:<br>
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href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=P8-RC-2015-0099&language=EN"
target="_blank">www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=P8-RC-2015-0099&language=EN</a><br>
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The relevant passage: " Stresses that it is firmly
committed to the multistakeholder model of internet
governance; calls upon the Member States, the Commission
and all relevant stakeholders to further strengthen the
sustainability of this model by making actors and
processes at national, regional and international levels
more inclusive, transparent and accountable;"<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/02/2015 12:49 pm,
Carolina Rossini wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">+1 on Erik suggestion
<div>Jeremy, is this still possible?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:54
PM, JOSEFSSON Erik <span dir="ltr">
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<div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Arial;
color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Please consider
explicitly supporting the following amendment
too:<br>
<br>
AM 2 (to point 6):<br>
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"Stresses that it is firmly committed to a <b>democratically
accountable multistakeholder model</b> of
Internet governance; calls upon the Member
States, the European Commission and all
relevant stakeholders to further strengthen
the sustainability of the multi-stakeholder
model by making actors and processes at
national, regional and international levels
more inclusive, transparent and accountable;"<br>
<br>
It should have been tabled less than an hour
ago!<br>
<br>
//Erik<br>
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