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<DIV>I tend to agree Nick – I thing there may be a strong push to outlaw some
sorts of encryption as part of a very strong push to increase surveillance in
coming months. However,</DIV>
<DIV>I think many industry voices will side with us in opposition to this. Plus
I would suspect republican majority in USA is divided on this. So I think the
debate could turn and we should make strong efforts.</DIV>
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<DIV>To me there is a strong argument that any steps to control encryption will
have no effect on terrorism at all, because new forms of encryption will evolve
anyway faster than they can be regulated. Just as any increases in mass
surveillance are unlikely to have any effect on terrorism whatsoever (see <A
title=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26801-mass-surveillance-not-effective-for-finding-terrorists.html#.VL2JBEeUdVT
style='href: "http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26801-mass-surveillance-not-effective-for-finding-terrorists.html#.VL2JBEeUdVT"'
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In both the recent Sydney and Paris incidents the people responsible were
already well known to police and under surveillance but that did not stop them.
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<DIV>However, the efforts will create further extensive and widespread distrust
in the Internet. That is a serious problem.</DIV>
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<DIV>We will have strong allies here in both technical community and among
business interests.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nashton@consensus.pro
href="mailto:nashton@consensus.pro">Nick Ashton-Hart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:15 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=carolina.rossini@gmail.com
href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com">Carolina Rossini</A> ; <A
title=joana@varonferraz.com href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com">Joana Varon</A>
; <A title=deborah@apc.org href="mailto:deborah@apc.org">Deborah Brown</A> ; <A
title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bestbits] Call for Submissions for new UN study on use
of encryption and anonymity</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>Sadly,
though I am not a betting man, I would put money on the premise that far from
surveillance reform in 2015 we will actually find we're fighting a pretty
desperate battle for things not to go badly wrong the other direction.
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<DIV>... and I would very, very much love to be wrong.<BR><BR>
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<DIV>On 19 Jan 2015, at 23:04, Ian Peter <<A
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</A>>
wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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style="WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT: 16px opensans; LETTER-SPACING: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">I
think a response is extremely important, having just read this.<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/obama-announces-new-cyber-war-games-partnership-with-great-britain-20150116">http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/obama-announces-new-cyber-war-games-partnership-with-great-britain-20150116</A><BR><BR>It
suggests that Obama may side with UK in trying to outlaw strong
encryption<BR><BR>Ian<BR><BR>From: Carolina Rossini<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015
8:25 AM<BR>To: Joana Varon<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Cc: Deborah Brown ;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Subject: Re: [bestbits] Call for
Submissions for new UN study on use of encryption and anonymity<BR><BR>Do we
want to send something as BestBits?<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Folks from the list, any interest
for a collective input?<BR><BR>On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Joana Varon
<<A href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com">joana@varonferraz.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>Very important. Thanks for sharing. Will be happy to produce
inputs from the Brazilian Perspective. If anyone from Latam also want to do
so, please, ping me and we can do something regional.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>best<BR>jo<BR><BR><BR>On 19
January 2015 16:09:48 GMT-02:00, Deborah Brown <<A
href="mailto:deborah@apc.org">deborah@apc.org</A>> wrote:<BR>-----BEGIN PGP
SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA512Dear all,In case of interest, the new UN
Special Rapporteur David Kaye is lookingat the use of encryption and anonymity
in his first report and isencouraging input from civil society. The deadline
is 10 Feb.Best,<A
href="Deborahhttp://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/FreedomOpinion/Pages/CallForSubmission.aspx">Deborahhttp://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/FreedomOpinion/Pages/CallForSubmission.aspx</A>
Special Rapporteur will study the use of encryption and anonymityin digital
communications in his 2015 HRC reportThe Special Rapporteur on the protection
and promotion of the right tofreedom of opinion and expression, David Kaye, is
currently preparing areport on the legal framework governing the relationship
between freedomof expression and the use of encryption to secure transactions
andcommunications, and other technologies to transact and
communicateanonymously online. This report will be presented to the Human
RightsCouncil in June, 2015.To prepare his study, Mr. Kaye is gathering
information on nationallaws, regulations, policies or practices that permit or
limit, directlyor indirectly, the use of encryption technologies and services
or theability of individuals to communicate anonymously online. All States
arebeing asked called to submit information on their relevant nationalnorms
and policies.Similarly, the Special Rapporteur would like to encourage all
interestednon-governmental stakeholders – including civil society,
corporateactors, international and regional organizations, and national
humanrights institutions – to provide their views on the appropriate scope
ofthe right to freedom of expression as applied to encryption andanonymity. He
would particularly appreciate receiving commentsaddressing this matter from
legal, state practice, or technicalperspectives.Any available information
should be sent electronically <A
href="mailto:tofreedex@ohchr.org">tofreedex@ohchr.org</A> <<A
href="mailto:freedex@ohchr.org">mailto:freedex@ohchr.org</A>>, *not later
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