<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Dear Parminder,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:48 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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To my understanding, for most of those who now support the NMI, the
case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence
of Chinas and Irans over there </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">When did any one say that [States such as } China or Iran should not be involved in UN or have a presence in IG?</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">- how can we trust our Internet to
such authoritarian governments?! It is a bit strange to see a
special happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the
NMI. What is one missing here?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">NETmundial Initiative is open for global participation, brings stakeholders from every country to the table, no exceptions. Actually there is nothing "missing" here.</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet -
politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly
interested in more and better (as in more democratic) global
governance of the Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and
adjustments, and that is about all. That is China's attraction for
the NMI, and here is where its interests partially overlap with
those of the US, whose whole effort is to block any move whatsoever
towards <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">g</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div>lobally democratic governance of the Internet. What we
therefore see is a move that is in the interest of all those who
already have the most power in terms of the global Internet, they
have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests. And all those
currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart from some
crumbs throwing business.)<br>
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In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and
the 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">This is an inaugural coordination council. If my assumption is right, it might take shape further.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
Worse, it pushes countries towards a model of global governance
where the way to go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive
deals and negotiating narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of
the global public interest </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">That is not fair as a comment. Even before an initiative is given shape, you are starting with a harsh assumption about how it will work. How about starting with an assumption that the NETmundial Initiative is ALL about Global Public Interest?</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">(ok, I can hear sniggers, which is
precisely the problem), which is what a UN kind of global governance
system is under-pinned by. It distorts the very political thinking
and philosophy that needs to form the basis of our shared global
living. Big loss, really. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">It is a great step forward. Whoever initiated NETmundial merits an applause instead of all this unfair criticism.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">Sivasubramanian M</div> </div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class=""><font color="#888888">
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<div>On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM,
Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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Good point.<br>
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<div>On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">I see at least two names from China as very
interesting or significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of
Alibaba, both were central figures at the World Internet
Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively
engage and advance our core values.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements
that are troublesome, but I like to remain constructive,
critical, but more positive.</p>
<p dir="ltr">And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!</p>
<p dir="ltr">Izumi<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu" target="_blank">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>>:<br type="attribution">
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<p>FYI and happy holidays!</p>
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