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Good points Parminder.<br>
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I think the paper points this out as well, and agree that the
context for these trade agreements is not ideal as an internet
governance mechanism. <br>
<br>
Take the local storage restriction. If this was being discussed in a
<i>non-</i>trade context, the exceptions would be crafted to permit
restrictions that are designed to protect privacy, etc., but <i>forbid</i>
the ones that facilitate censorship, are directed at
anti-competitiveness, etc. We would also, presumably, have some
actual requirements to put in place legal protections for privacy as
we do in other regional instruments designed to facilitate
cross-border flows. In a trade negotiation, though, where public
input is not only muted but actively avoided through secrecy
measures, you get a national security exception, broader IP
protections and little else.<br>
<br>
Definitely, where EU countries are involved, the privacy
restrictions are likely to be moderated, but that does not help for,
say, the TPP.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Tamir<br>
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This below is a very important development, and the <a
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href="https://data.awp.is/data/filtrala/15/analisis.cleaned.pdf">analysis</a>
by Prof Kelsey and Dr Kilic is really really good. <br>
<br>
The upshot in my view is; the global Internet would finally be
governed, has to be governed, like any other important social
system. The real question that we face, especially in the context
of these new revelations, is; whether<br>
<br>
(1) the Internet should be governed as a 'trade system', and among
a few willing countries, which represent the most powerful
countries plus those who are willing to partake of the fruits of
cooptation, or <br>
<br>
<br>
(2)Â it should be governed as a<i> unique new global
infrastructure of communication, information, and social
organizing</i> (and thus of many a social system, including
trade) in venues that are open to all countries of the world, more
powerful or less, big or small. <br>
<br>
(Included in the above is the question whether the key value flow
on the Internet, data, is to be considered in a framework of its
multiferous enmeshment with many sectors of our society, or just
as a commodity for trade, with some minor 'exceptions' admitted
here and there.) <br>
<br>
One would think that for a civil society group the above is a
simple choice to make. But unfortunately, most civil society
actors in the IG space have focussed on narrow specific issues
missing this larger framework, and thus missing the wood for the
tree. Willy nilly, in my view, it amounts to complicity with
option 1 above .<br>
<br>
Kelsey and Kilc's analysis begins with a very pertinent listing of
US' objectives. While all three listed objectives are instructive,
I especially quote no 3<br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif"><font style="font-size: 15pt"
size="4">"prevent or restrict government regulation that
impedes the activities and profits of the major global
services industries, and guarantees unrestricted cross-border
data flows, which impacts on consumer protections, privacy
laws, regulatory constraints and competition policy."</font></font><br>
<br>
How effective the US strategy has been on this count is obvious...
It has kept the IG world embroiled in the multistakehoder versus
multilateral debate as it goes ahead building the global
architecture of IG and of the Internet through its secret
agreements like the TISA. When the pressure becomes too much, like
post Snowden, it throws a NTIA transition ball for kids to play
with, which is both the not most important global IG issues, and
even in its best possible outcome does not really change much. But
quite good to divert people' thinking and energy for a year or
two. And if one asks, but what about non-tech issues, it comes up
with the WEF based NetMundial Initiative, and gets enthusiastic
civil society backers - though anyone will ask the question, how
the US push to prevent public interest governance of the Internet
for the sake of protecting its big business interests (see the
quote above) is addressed by new forums where those very big
business interests will now direct participate in public policy
development. But then...<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 17 December 2014 09:17
PM, Carolina Rossini wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">press release from PC (our dear Burcu) and also a
briefing distributed today by other groups going deeper on the
issues
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Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM<br>
Subject: [tpp-allies] PC Press Release: Obama "trade" text
leak: net neutrality, data privacy implicated<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Angela
Bradbery <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28202%29%20588-7741"
value="+12025887741" target="_blank">(202)
588-7741</a>, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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17, 2014<span style="color:black"></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Symone
Sanders <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28202%29%20454-5108"
value="+12024545108" target="_blank">(202)
454-5108</a>, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="margin-bottom:16.0pt;text-align:center"
align="center"> <b><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Leak of Obama
Administration Trade Pact Proposal Reveals
Negotiations Affecting Net Neutrality, Limits on
Data Privacy Protections</span></b><i><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif""></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
align="center"><b><i><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">U.S.
Internet Governance Policy Should not be
Designed in Closed-Door, Industry-Influenced
Negotiations of U.S. Trade in Services
Agreement </span></i></b></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">WASHINGTON,
D.C. â While a domestic debate about net
neutrality rages and public demands for better
data privacy protections grow, a U.S. trade pact
proposal leaked today reveals that issues related
to both policies are being negotiated in
closed-door trade talks to which corporate trade
advisors have special access, said Public Citizen.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">The leaked text
is the U.S. proposal for language relating to
e-commerce and Internet issues in a proposed<b> </b>Trade
in Services Agreement (TISA), which is now being
negotiated between a 50-country subset of World
Trade Organization members. The pact would require
signatory countries to ensure conformity of their
laws, regulations and administrative procedures
with the provisions of the TISA; failure to do so
could subject a country to trade sanctions.
Negotiators are pushing to complete and implement
the pact next year.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">âThis leak
reveals a dangerous trend where policies unrelated
to trade are being diplomatically legislated
through closed-door international âtradeâ
negotiations to which industry interests have
privileged access while the public and policy
experts promoting consumer interests are shut
out,â said Lori Wallach, director of Public
Citizenâs Global Trade Watch. âGiven the
raging domestic debate over net neutrality, the
growing demands for more data privacy and the
constantly changing technology, a pact negotiated
in secret that is not subject to changes absent
consensus of all signatories seems like a very bad
place to be setting U.S. Internet governance
policies.â</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Added Burcu
Kilic, a lawyer with Public Citizen, âThe
Internet belongs to its users. Anyone who cares
about an open and free Internet should be
concerned that U.S. trade negotiators are seeking
to lock in international rules about how the
Internet functions, and are doing so in a
closed-door process that is not subject to the
input of Internet users. Negotiating rules
internationally, behind closed doors, while the
domestic discussion is ongoing not only makes an
end-run around the domestic process, but excludes
the perspectives and expertise needed to make good
policy.â</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">With respect to
privacy protections, the leaked text reveals that
the U.S. negotiators are pushing for new corporate
rights for unrestricted cross-border data flows
and prohibitions on requirements to hold and
process data locally, thus removing governmentsâ
ability to ensure that private and sensitive
personal data is stored and processed only in
jurisdictions that ensure privacy. </span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:105%"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Such measures
are considered critical to ensuring that medical,
financial and other data provided protection by
U.S. law are not made public when sent offshore
for processing and storage, with no legal recourse
for affected individuals. Numerous U.S.
organizations are pushing for improvements in such
policies, which are considerably stronger in other
countries. If the proposed TISA terms on free data
movement were to become binding on the United
States, such needed progress would be foreclosed.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif"">Â </span></p>
<p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:105%">For
a more detailed analysis of the leaked text and its
implications for net neutrality and data privacy,
please see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://data.awp.is/filtrala/2014/12/17/19.html"
target="_blank">this memo</a> co-written by
Professor Jane Kelsey, University of Auckland School
of Law, and Kilic of Public Citizen.</p>
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