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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Often we seem to be saying that
participation is sufficient end in itself<br>
<br>
for what purpose<br>
for whose gain<br>
who do we represent in our participation<br>
who will lose by the participation<br>
who holds the power in the participation forum/ makes the rules of
the game<br>
how much can we fool ourselves about the power we have in the
forum <br>
<br>
These questions are extremely important to engage with. <br>
On the other hand, we can only wake up those who are sleeping (and
hopefully there are many who may wake up at this point - of a
neo-liberal attempt to capture of global governance), not those
who pretend to be.... <br>
<br>
regards<br>
Guru<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wednesday 19 November 2014 02:50 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I would go for CS to participate if the request to
conduct own nominations for representation is accepted. It is
easier to shape/influence processes if we are part of them.
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<div>Rgds</div>
<div>Grace<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:31:17 +1100<br>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Whether to participate in NETmundial
Initiative - RFC<br>
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<div>At this point of time discussions are going on in a
number of forums as regards participation, not just
here; and it would be helpful if the debate was about
whether to participate or not, not about who said what
when. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>As an aid to this, and perhaps to focus discussion
a little, here is a brief summary of some of the
arguments for and against that I have seen advanced.
Not a complete list, but perhaps this might help some
people to understand that other people have
perspectives that differ from their own. i would urge
people to add their own perspectives to these so that
an informed decision is made.</div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">FOR INVOLVEMENT</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">With ITU a governments
only forum and no real will to change, and IGF as
a forum with no power to make recommendations or
take decisions and again no will to change, there
is no credible venue to initiate action on non
technical issues or issues not within the remit of
Istar organisations These would include
surveillance issues, human rights issues, net
neutrality issues, to name a few.</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">The solid commitment to
NetMundial principles promised, if carried out in
practice, would create a credible and open
initiative </font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">There is a need for<span
style=""> a representative </span>forum capable
of moving us forward on a range of issues not
covered by existing institutions</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Participation is strongly
supported by some sections of civil society</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">AGAINST INVOLVEMENT</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">The last thing we need is
a corporate takeover of internet governance and
this could become that</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">ISOC has withdrawn </font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Participation is strongly
opposed by some sections of civil society</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"><font style="size:+0;"><font
style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">This initiative has a
track record of poor communication</font></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="MARGIN:0cm 0cm
10pt;LINE-HEIGHT:13pt;">Ian Peter</p>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="jmalcolm@eff.org"
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">Jeremy Malcolm</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:53
PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">Best
Bits</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [bestbits] Whether to
participate in NETmundial Initiative - RFC</div>
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<div> </div>
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<div>By now everyone will have read from previous
threads that ISOC and the Just Net Coalition (JNC)
have both decided not to participate in the
NETmundial Initiative, and you may have also have
read some false information that Best Bits and other
networks represented on the Civil Society
Coordination Group (CSCG) *have* decided to
participate. As Ian Peter's clarifying message
setting out the truth of the matter should have made
clear, that is *not* the case. All that has
happened is that the we have obtained as much
assurance as we can that *if* we decide to
participate, then the Secretariat (ICANN, WEF and <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://CGI.br"
target="_blank">CGI.br</a>) will accept our
self-nomination process rather than choosing civil
society representatives independently.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Now we turn to you, our communities, to provide
us with guidance about whether to proceed further or
not. Some views have already been expressed pro and
con. I have been (and remain) publicly critical
about the NETmundial Initiative, but on the other
hand the reasoning ISOC and JNC give for boycotting
it is rather specious, because they characterise the
initiative as being something that it doesn't
purport to be - ie. a single central policy-making
body for Internet governance. This is an alarmist
critique that turns the NETmundial Initiative into
an exaggerated ITU-style bogeyman.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>So whilst there is certainly room for
disagreement about whether we should bestow the
benefit of our participation on the Initiative (I
remain deeply conflicted about this), let's decide
on the basis of factual pro and con arguments rather
than oversimplifications about the 1% taking over
the Internet. Also note that a few civil society
representatives, including Human Rights Watch, have
endorsed it already and are featured on the carousel
message on the front page of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://netmundial.org" target="_blank">netmundial.org</a>.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>So what do people think? If you haven't already
shared your views, please do so on this thread,
within the next few days if possible.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>Jeremy Malcolm</div>
<div>Senior Global Policy Analyst</div>
<div>Electronic Frontier Foundation</div>
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target="_blank">https://eff.org</a><br>
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