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<DIV>David, just to add some additional information here as regards</DIV>
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<DIV>>I would add to your list of reasons against that the selection process
for representatives currently seems unclear and still problematic, as NMI are,
as I understand it, still reserving to themselves the > ability to appoint
some representatives against CSCG recommendations. </DIV>
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<DIV>As a result of further discussions over the last 24 hours the situation if
we participate could be</DIV>
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<DIV>CSCG Nomcom receives all nominations for civil society participation for
evaluation.</DIV>
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<DIV>CSCG Nomcom recommends one candidate per geographic region and submits with
reasons.</DIV>
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<DIV>NMI convenes a (virtual) meeting with nominated CSCG representatives and
their transitional council to discuss any issues arising, with a view to
reaching a rough consensus agreement if there are any issues with our
nominations. If there is a strong dissenting voice from another area of civil
society they may also be invited to participate – after discussion with us.
Their suggestion is for any such discussion to be livestreamed.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is all new and currently being discussed within CSCG, but it
represents a stronger commitment to CS choosing its own representatives.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dave@difference.com.au
href="mailto:dave@difference.com.au">David Cake</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:59 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jmalcolm@eff.org href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">Jeremy
Malcolm</A> ; <A title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">Best Bits</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bestbits] Whether to participate in NETmundial
Initiative - RFC</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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think Ian's summary is a good one.
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<DIV>I think there are good reasons to consider a fora that tries to achieve
some of the goals that NMI is directed at - we need ways to tackle fora outside
the technical remit of most of the I* orgs, and transforming the IGF into that
fora seems unlikely. </DIV>
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<DIV>I would add to your list of reasons against that the selection process for
representatives currently seems unclear and still problematic, as NMI are, as I
understand it, still reserving to themselves the ability to appoint some
representatives against CSCG recommendations. </DIV>
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<DIV>David</DIV>
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<DIV>On 18 Nov 2014, at 6:31 pm, Ian Peter <<A
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</A>>
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<DIV>At this point of time discussions are going on in a number of forums as
regards participation, not just here; and it would be helpful if the debate
was about whether to participate or not, not about who said what when. </DIV>
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<DIV>As an aid to this, and perhaps to focus discussion a little, here is a
brief summary of some of the arguments for and against that I have seen
advanced. Not a complete list, but perhaps this might help some people to
understand that other people have perspectives that differ from their own. i
would urge people to add their own perspectives to these so that an informed
decision is made.</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">FOR
INVOLVEMENT</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">With ITU a governments only
forum and no real will to change, and IGF as a forum with no power to make
recommendations or take decisions and again no will to change, there is no
credible venue to initiate action on non technical issues or issues not within
the remit of Istar organisations These would include surveillance issues,
human rights issues, net neutrality issues, to name a few.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The solid commitment to
NetMundial principles promised, if carried out in practice, would create a
credible and open initiative </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There is a need for<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> a representative </SPAN>forum capable of moving us
forward on a range of issues not covered by existing
institutions</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Participation is strongly
supported by some sections of civil society</FONT></FONT></P>
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style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></FONT></FONT><BR
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">AGAINST
INVOLVEMENT</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The last thing we need is a
corporate takeover of internet governance and this could become
that</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">ISOC has withdrawn
</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Participation is strongly
opposed by some sections of civil society</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="size: +0"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This initiative has a track
record of poor communication</FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt">Ian
Peter</P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jmalcolm@eff.org
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">Jeremy Malcolm</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">Best Bits</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [bestbits] Whether to participate in NETmundial
Initiative - RFC</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>By now everyone will have read from previous threads that ISOC and the
Just Net Coalition (JNC) have both decided not to participate in the
NETmundial Initiative, and you may have also have read some false information
that Best Bits and other networks represented on the Civil Society
Coordination Group (CSCG) *have* decided to participate. As Ian Peter's
clarifying message setting out the truth of the matter should have made clear,
that is *not* the case. All that has happened is that the we have
obtained as much assurance as we can that *if* we decide to participate, then
the Secretariat (ICANN, WEF and <A href="http://cgi.br/">CGI.br</A>) will
accept our self-nomination process rather than choosing civil society
representatives independently.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now we turn to you, our communities, to provide us with guidance about
whether to proceed further or not. Some views have already been
expressed pro and con. I have been (and remain) publicly critical about
the NETmundial Initiative, but on the other hand the reasoning ISOC and JNC
give for boycotting it is rather specious, because they characterise the
initiative as being something that it doesn't purport to be - ie. a single
central policy-making body for Internet governance. This is an alarmist
critique that turns the NETmundial Initiative into an exaggerated ITU-style
bogeyman.</DIV>
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<DIV>So whilst there is certainly room for disagreement about whether we
should bestow the benefit of our participation on the Initiative (I remain
deeply conflicted about this), let's decide on the basis of factual pro and
con arguments rather than oversimplifications about the 1% taking over the
Internet. Also note that a few civil society representatives, including
Human Rights Watch, have endorsed it already and are featured on the carousel
message on the front page of <A
href="http://netmundial.org/">netmundial.org</A>.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So what do people think? If you haven't already shared your views,
please do so on this thread, within the next few days if possible.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jeremy Malcolm</DIV>
<DIV>Senior Global Policy Analyst</DIV>
<DIV>Electronic Frontier Foundation</DIV><A
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href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</A>
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