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<font face="Verdana">This is exactly like, one party proposes
marriage, and the other show great enthusiasm and starts
discussing wedding arrangements, and at a later point says, well,
of course, I never really meant to say yes to the proposal. ..
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 18 November 2014 01:38 PM,
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<div>Not really Parminder. As you know there are differing
opinions within civil society about this, and without
clarity as regards how an involvement with NMI would work
– information we are seeking – it is not possible for
everyone to make an informed decision. <br>
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I see (1) readiness in general to go with the NM Initiative, given
conditions of CS nomination are met, and (2) actual process and
agreement (or not) of CSCG's role in CS nominees, as two different
issues.<br>
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JNC statement only say that most CS group seem to have agreed to
(1). Is this incorrect.... <br>
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<div> Such matters as whether the NMI would want to maintain
a right of veto over selections suggested by CSCG would
not matter to those who oppose involvement under any
circumstances, but would be significant factors as regards
considering involvement for others.</div>
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Exactly, that is my point. So, obviously, other CS groups do not
oppose the NMI as such, other than perhaps possible differences on
CS nominations to its coordination committee. What we say in JNC's
statement, and the note 4 explaining the basis of our assertion is
very clear<br>
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"<strong> </strong>For example, on the basis of positive views
expressed by ... (so and so organisations) .., the chair of the
Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) has sent a very positive
letter to NMI offering to organize a selection process for civil
society representatives for NMI's coordination committee..."<br>
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Is this statement untrue?<br>
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Meanwhile, since it was an official letter written by you as CSCG
head to WEF/ NMI , on basis on the above mentioned positive views
of concerned CS organisations, why do you not just make that
letter public and people can make their own judgement.<br>
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We obviously cannot write our statements exactly, as for instance
Jeremy would want us to.... However, we write what we write
responsibly and with full justification. Please make the mentioned
letter public to NMI/ WEF, and, as always, we are ready for a full
discussion on this issue of who has expressed what view, and
undertook what actions, and implications there of. <br>
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It is really our not problem is some of the CS members might now
be re considering their views on the NMI issue - in face of the
recent statements, or otherwise... As you will see from the text,
this was precisely the purpose of JNC's statement, and we would be
happy to see movement in the direction of achieving this purpose.
We really want CS groups to reconsider their position and refuse
to endorse the NM Initiative. <br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:12 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] UPDATE ON CIVIL
SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET MUNDIAL INITIATIVE</div>
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04:23 AM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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<div>UPDATE ON CIVIL SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET
MUNDIAL INITIATIVE.</div>
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<div>Please note that Internet Governance Civil
Society Coordination Group (CSCG) participation
in the new Net Mundial initiative is still under
consideration. CSCG has written to the NMI
Secretariat and Transitional Council suggesting
that it play a co-ordinating role in the
selection of civil society representatives in a
coordinated bottom up manner, rather than these
decisions being made by the Transitional Council
(which has no civil society representation).
This is still under discussion; however, we do
not yet have a proposal with sufficient clarity
for member coalitions to be able to decide on
participation or not. While Just Net Coalition
(JNC) has already determined it will not
participate, other members are waiting for
clarity on our proposal for a bottom up and
inclusive procedure for determining civil
society representatives before making any final
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Does this not constitute an in principle agreement to
participate by the concerned CS actors, if NMI guys agrees
to CSCG doing CS nominations, or something close to
that... Further, Is Fadi wrong in taking that impression
and making it public... I think you need to make the facts
such more clear and transparent about what is happening
within the CSCG, what decisions and actions it takes and
so on... parminder <br>
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<div>Our letter to the NMI Secretariat and
Transitional Council in no way signifies that any
or all CS organisations have made a final decision
on whether to engage with the NMI in a formal
selection process or to participate in the NMI
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