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    +1  This is an extremely important consumer protection issue.  I
    would also note that it has the side effect of obliterating <b>their
    </b>IP rights.  My, what a complicated world we live in.<br>
    Stephanie Perrin<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14-10-31 5:57 AM, David Cake wrote:<br>
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      I agree with Parminder. I would go further in that I'm not keen on
      this being applied to telephones either (which could arguably
      outlaw devices that can change IMEI. Very glad to hear the
      'unauthorized' language has been dropped, but still find it quite
      problematic. 
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      <div>And counterfeit is, as Parminder says, problematic enough.
        We've just seen a big issue in which a Windows Update was used
        to deliver an FTDI driver (a chip used in many simple USB
        peripherals) was delivered that 'bricked' counterfeit chips.
        While I wouldn't argue against use of IP law to stop
        counterfeiting (without wishing to dip into that complex issue),
        the idea that if a device is counterfeit is permissable to
        attempt to effectively destroy end users private property is
        outrageous. We need to stop that kind of thinking, that
        manufacturers intellectual property rights trump consumer rights
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          <div>On 31 Oct 2014, at 2:01 pm, parminder <<a
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">Thanks
                Ujwala<br>
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                I think one of the important issue right now is possible
                addition of "unauthorised" to "counterfeit" devices
                (which is bad enough) in draft new resolution on
                counterfeit devices.<br>
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                It is almost catastrophic wrt FoE and freedom of
                innovation if every single device that has to ever
                employ IP based connectivity has to be "authorised".
                What worked for telephones cannot in the same way work
                in a pervasive IP environment where the possibilities of
                devices, applications etc is near limitless, and one
                should be able to , as they say, 'innovate at the
                edges'. <br>
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                Hope this can be stopped somehow.<br>
                <br>
                On a different note, you have referred two commentaries
                on the India proposal. If you also link my email on the
                subject which is at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                the commentaries would perhaps be more balanced..<br>
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                Thanks for this excellent work and reference<br>
                parminder <br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 31 October 2014
                11:03 AM, Ujwala Uppaluri wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Dear All,
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                  <div>CCG has a list of Internet related issues to
                    watch at Plenipot <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ccgnludelhi.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/india-and-the-internet-at-pp-14/">here</a>.</div>
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                  <div>Do let us know if there's anything significant
                    missing.</div>
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                  <div>Best,</div>
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                  <div>Ujwala</div>
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