<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Jeremy<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Probably this is not the best moment for this conversation since its seems there are preferred topics, so just briefly:<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" class="">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On Oct 25, 2014, at 3:41 AM, William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" class="">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Personally, I’d have preferred a shorter and more narrowly focused letter that lays out a model, rather than an expository grazing over multiple issues and historical background. For ex, what I tried to suggest in the Istanbul main session that was nominally supposed to discuss the IGF’s role (I was in a different room and the RM garbled the reading of my typed text) was that we could </div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think it would be very valuable if you forward these comments on your own behalf, since you're no longer on the MAG - if we'd had more time, it could also have been offered as a draft IGC statement.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><div class="">I’m on the MAG until December, have said it before and can do so again, but think a collective statement still would be useful. Perhaps post-Plenipot and in the run-up to the 1-3 December open consultations and MAG meeting/turnover we could revisit and see if there’s sufficient interest. </div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""> there is a
Secretariat, with limited resources and a narrow self-assessed
mandate to effect structural changes to the IGF</p></div></blockquote><div class="">I’m not entirely sure what you mean here. Where/when was Chengetai and his merry band of volunteers and part-time workers/consultants mandated to effect structural change on behalf of the global community?</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It's not meant to suggest that they ever were mandated to make major changes, or ever did so, but there have been minor "operational" changes that they made within the scope of organising the meeting and operating the website, and often without consulting the global community about them first - this is what "narrow" is intended to convey. I can dig up examples when I get a chance…</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No need, I’m familiar with these, operational > structural.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">, and there is a
MAG which, overall, considers itself a programme committee only
and is similarly reluctant to depart from established structures
and formats.</p></div></blockquote>I think it’s somewhat difficult to ascribe collective intentionality to the MAG because there’s been very little self-reflective discussion of its role, the membership evolves, and a good chunk of the group is fairly disengaged. But there certainly have been members who’d not be accurately portrayed as above.<br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sure, well we know that you were one of those! But hence "overall”.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Just a small matter of framing => reception.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">The IGF would benefit from the appointment of a new, charismatic
and visionary Executive Coordinator, with multi-stakeholder
support, to personally evangelise for and drive the necessary
changes. </p></div></blockquote><div class="">Apparently DESA is again considering an EC.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Good!</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Workshops
are partly scored based on whether panelists are confirmed to
attend, but in many cases panelists’ attendance is contingent on
the workshop being approved</p></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div class="">Unfortunately (for the statement), this is not true. At least in the three years I did it, this was never a criteria for scoring. </div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that we can address this by just adding a few words at the start "There is a perception that...", because that is true, on the basis of several complaints about this that I've heard personally. This paragraph was based in particular on what Nnenna said during the Best Bits meeting. The perception itself, even if wrong, should be addressed by clarifying the workshop submission form.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t know how widespread the misperception is since I’ve not heard it before, but ok maybe if you say this the next MAG will be prompted to tweak the workshop guidelines announcement accordingly.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Bill<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">I don’t know if you’d be willing to delete this paragraph before seeking further endorsements, but it makes it difficult to sign as is.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With those few words added at the start, it is OK? In any case, I would really encourage you again to submit your own statement, cutting and pasting from your email.</div></div><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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