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I think Jeremy's comment is rather critical:</div><div>"<i>but I'm not sure whether people realized they would be supporting a broader statement covering other points</i>"</div><div><br></div><div>Having a statement saying that "people at BB support the idea of renewing the IGF mandate" would be a statement of poor impact, showing no real willingness to go beyond what has lead the current IGF in some sort of dead-end, both politically and intellectually. </div><div><br></div><div>It might not be that difficult to create unanimity (and not just consensus of XX's type or YY's type) on some of IGF challenges, but that would definitely help to work with clarity from the very beginning.</div><div><br></div><div>Looking forward.</div><div><br></div><div>JC</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Le 1 sept. 2014 à 11:36, Matthew Shears a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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I support Jeremy's point on two statements - particularly if the one
on a permanent mandate is multi-stakeholder.<br>
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On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:38 AM, joy <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joy@apc.org">joy@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi - I agree with the
idea of a joint statement making the IGF permanent<br>
However, I would point out that yesterday at the Best Bits
meeting we agreed to make a statement saying more than just
that the IGF should be made permanent - we also were to
preparea a statement on other issues and a smaller group had
started notes on these during the meeting on the meeting
etherpad <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://etherpad.mozilla.org/NnbQgXIv8Y">https://etherpad.mozilla.org/NnbQgXIv8Y</a>
at lines 330-339 <br>
These still need more work - a small group volunteered to
work on developing these into a statement that would be sent
to this list for comment and a call for support (myself,
Dixie, Jeremy, Carolina - maybe one or two others?)<br>
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<div>Support seemed almost unanimous for sending a statement on
the permanent mandate of the IGF, but I'm not sure whether
people realised they would be supporting a broader statement
covering other points (such as "concern at the number of new
processes", which seems contentious to me, although I personally
agree with it). Can we have two separate outputs? ie. I think
there would be value in issuing a consensus statement on the
renewal of the IGF, and putting the other paragraphs into an
optional sign-on statement if they are more contentious and
might detract from the unanimity of the message about extension
of the IGF.</div>
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