<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><div class="gmail_default">Dear Parminder,</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">
Your position is valid in a predominantly multilateral environment as the ITU, where there are limits to Civil Society participation, in the absence of which balance does not prevail, and in the absence of balance, proximity of Business with Government is unhealthy.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">But if you seek to exclude Business from Pubic Policy, then the entire concept of multi-stakeholder governance is weakened. The basic idea of multi-stakeholder model is that each stakeholder group brings to the table, transparently, its own position representing its own best interests, which are balanced by the positions of other stakeholder groups. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Your position indirectly reflects the views of our own Government, as that of many other Governments, that '<i>you are free to provide inputs, but we decide;  Your role stops with participation (you will be heard), but you will have no role in framing the policy' </i>Single Quotes here does not imply exact wording of the position. The wording is my own, but roughly reflect the views of some in Government who I have occasion to talk to.  If this is not the position of Indian Government, I would be happy to retract what I have said here :)</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">By seeking to exclude Business, with the claim that it is "<span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">position of many networks of large numbers of civil society organisations" that you work with [in India?], your views are aligned with the views of Government, and undermines the entire idea of multi-stakeholder model. </span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Perhaps you could announce that you will henceforth wear the Government Hat, then you are free to work towards multilateral model.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">And for now, I am entirely with Adam's demand that you should withdraw your comment.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Thank you</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:13px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Sivasubramanian M</span></div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy" target="_blank">Sivasubramanian M</a><br><br></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:59 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    <div>On Friday 02 May 2014 09:41 PM, Lee W
      McKnight wrote:<br>
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        <p>Those opposing businesses involvement in Internet governance
        </p>
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    </blockquote>
    <br></div>
    Involvement? well, no. Can you point to where did anyone oppose
    their 'involvement' in Internet governance. Lee, even if we may have
    different views, may I request that we try and represent other
    people's positions fairly and honestly?  The opposition is to
    'equal' role' in 'public policy' 'decision making'..... Each element
    is separately highlighted so that you miss none... And I think I
    would have done this - highlighting all these elements -   at least
    25 times earlier on these lists, if not more. <br><div class="">
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        <p>seem to forget who owns and operates the (data) networks
          being inter-networked across the Internet; </p>
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    </blockquote>
    <br></div>
    So, since drug companies make all the medicine, they should have an
    'equal role' in health/ drug related 'public policy making'? Please
    be explicit in your response. Such examples can be given in
    practically all sectors... As Mahesh said, since 'production/
    business' is not the business of governments that should not mean
    that regulating business is also not their business.. That precisely
    is their business. You would have heard the term regulatory capture
    - that is what is it to have (the regulated) businesses given an
    equal role in relevant public policy making. <br><div class="">
    <br>
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        <p>not to mention the required consent of the massive legion of
          -volunteer- techies who keep the whole thing afloat.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>Anyway, it's kind of -late- in the day to begin pining for
          the 19th century when governments could multilaterally agree
          on tariffs and two-way revenue splits; it's just not happening
          now.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>How governments choose to protect and/or abuse their own
          citizens rights domestically is a whole other matter, but
          really it is - just silly - to think the Internet can exist
          without multistakeholder engagement.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>As the Internet has grown in global policy significance, ipso
          facto, citizens of the world aka civil society, technical
          community, and businesses, whether dreaded Hollywood IP rights
          protectionists or -- lots of other businesses engaged in
          aspects of networking - will have seats at the table. </p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br></div>
    Big business as citizens, well!! Indian law does not recognise
    business as citizens... I know lately US supreme court have shown
    the tendency towards such a perversion, like in the ruling on
    corporate financing of elections, but I know that this judgement is
    widely opposed by civil society even within the US...It surprises me
    therefore that you are expressing such a view rather easily..<br>
    <br>
    I  dont agree that businesses are citizens - national or global - 
    and have citizen rights, nor does all the civil society groups that
    I work with, and I can assure you that, at least in developing
    countries, they are the overwhelming majority (i know it is so in
    developed countries as well). <br>
    <br>
    I think we need to figure out our basic political positions and
    bearings here, in our internal civil society discourses, before we
    begin raising banners about who represents civil society interests
    and who does not.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
    <br>
    parminder <br></font></span><div><div class="h5">
    <br>
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        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>A multilateral table can amuse themselves, but not govern the
          Internet.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>It is that reality which NetMundial recognizes; as does cough
          cough China/Hong Kong hosting the Internet Hall of Fame dinner
          3 weeks ago. (congrats to the winners, including Chinese
          pioneers, by the way.)</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>Anyway, to be 'shocked!' that McKinsey tells businesses to
          pay attention to how trillions of dollars flow across the
          Internet through the global economy is shocking only in its
          presumption that businesses would not be paying attention.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>It does not obviate democracy anywhere, including in
          participatory global Internet governance processes.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>The take-away lesson from Brazil that many took, which is we
          are playing - in the big leagues now, and have to prepare
          accordingly - is the correct lesson.
        </p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>In my always humble opinion : )</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>Lee<br>
        </p>
        <p><br>
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        <p><br>
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          <div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b>
              <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
              <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank"><bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net></a> on behalf of
              Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal
              <a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" target="_blank"><jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net></a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 2, 2014 11:51 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Rafik; Adam Peake<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Bits <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>;
              <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> IGC<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Roles and Responsibilities
              - CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation</font>
            <div> </div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:#000000;font-family:optima;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="text-indent:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:#000000;font-family:optima;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium">McKinsey supports the idea of a next
                        best stage of democracy and gives to MS its
                        blessings. You are in good company!!!</span></span></span></span></span></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>See below but in short, here are the best parts:</div>
            <div>- "<b>The Role of Companies as citizens</b>" (NEW
              DEMOCRACY! )</div>
            <div>- When we say that what is happening in IG threatens
              much more than the IG itself: " <span style="color:#333333;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px"><b>Why couldn’t we
                  disaggregate that process</b> (note by JCN: <i>the
                  public sector conducting policy making)</i>
                <b>and start to bring together new partnerships, new
                  multistakeholder networks</b>"</span></div>
            <div>- "<span style="color:#333333;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;font-size:13px;line-height:17px"><b>And then
                  companies also gave money through philanthropy and so
                  on</b>": Ahah guys, there is some money to be given to
                CS here!!!</span></div>
            <div>- and the final touch "<span><b>Because
                  of the growing power of the digital revolution,
                  companies have growing power, and they need to step up
                  and be full participants in society, which is why it’s
                  so important that they understand the rise of these
                  new multistakeholder networks—global solution
                  networks—and participate in them</b>."</span></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>This is why MS is a danger to democracy. It pretends to
              replace a political system, and the citizens rights to be
              the ultimate decision makers - at least in democracies -
              thanks to their vote, and participation.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Think of all the niceties citizen had to fight against
              the private sector. We should just trust the private
              sector, thanks to new partnerships? We will end up with
              thousand of Erin Brokovich fighting all over the places,
              thanks to MS and its religious belief that the private
              sector, co-decision maker in public policy will deliver
              some sort of 'enhanced democracy".</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>No thanks!</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>JC</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>From McKinsey</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><span>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  <strong style="margin:0px;padding:0px">The topic
                    of business</strong> wasn’t on the table at the
                  Bretton Woods Conference 70 years ago, when world
                  leaders convened to determine how the international
                  monetary and financial system would operate in the
                  wake of World War II. In this video interview with
                  McKinsey’s Rik Kirkland, author and consultant Don
                  Tapscott explains why today is different—and why
                  business must play a central role in solving global
                  problems. An edited transcript of Tapscott’s remarks
                  follows.</p>
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                  Interview transcript</h4>
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                  A new model for solving global problems</h3>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  There’s a fundamental change that’s underway in the
                  way that we solve problems, cooperate, and govern
                  ourselves on this little planet. And for 70 years,
                  actually 70 years, dating back to 1944 in Bretton
                  Woods, the model has been that states cooperate
                  together through diplomacy, state-based institutions,
                  or through some kind of direct action to solve
                  problems.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  And if you look at the world today, many of the
                  problems that we have are not only stalled, they’re
                  getting worse. So are they just too hard to solve, or
                  is our model wrong? Well, enter a whole bunch of new
                  factors: one of them is technology, and that’s
                  radically dropping transaction and collaboration
                  costs. In the private sector, it’s leading to deep
                  changes in the architecture and structure of the firm
                  and of how we orchestrate capability to innovate, to
                  create goods and services, and so on.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  In the public sector, it’s changing the way that we
                  get capability to create public value. Why wouldn’t
                  that affect the way that we get capability to solve
                  the problems in the world? Why couldn’t we
                  disaggregate that process and start to bring together
                  new partnerships, new multistakeholder networks?</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  A second thing that’s happening is we’ve got the rise
                  of the new “pillars of society,” in addition to
                  government. There were no corporations at Bretton
                  Woods in 1944, because they weren’t viewed as being
                  pillars of society. Companies were just these things
                  that made money for shareholders and created goods and
                  services.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  There were also no NGOs<a rel="#footnote1" href="http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_flow_of_governance_An_interview_with_Don_Tapscott?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1405#" style="text-decoration:none;color:#0065bd;margin:0px;padding:0px" target="_blank"><sup>1</sup></a> at Bretton Woods, because there
                  weren’t any. There were 50 NGOs in the world in 1944.
                  Now we’ve got these new forces, and they’re coming
                  together into something that’s very, very powerful.
                  They’re multistakeholder networks, I call them global
                  solution networks. They’re engaging tens of thousands
                  of organizations—companies, governments, civil
                  society—and tens of millions of people on a daily
                  basis.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  And they’re becoming material in the world. They’re
                  attacking every problem that we have. And they’re
                  creating wonderful new opportunities to address some
                  of the big challenges facing the global community.</p>
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                  The role of companies as citizens</h3>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  The existing institutions are being challenged by this
                  new model, and the smart ones are embracing it. So the
                  UN is starting to figure this out. There are a lot of
                  people who say the UN is no longer fit for function
                  and we should get rid of it and so on. I disagree with
                  that. States will be around for the foreseeable
                  future, and we need them to cooperate together. And
                  the UN is a key vehicle for that to occur.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  But the UN is beginning to embrace the
                  multistakeholder model. And the big climate-change
                  conference that’s coming up in September is going to
                  be a true multistakeholder initiative with strong
                  representation from government, civil society, and the
                  private sector.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  This brings about some really big changes for business
                  and how we think about business in the world.
                  Corporations can now contribute in ways that were
                  previously not possible. In the past, what did you do?
                  You tried maybe to be a good company, although lots
                  didn’t. But increasingly, you’ve got to get good
                  because of transparency—you’re going to get naked, and
                  you’ve got to be buff. And then companies also gave
                  money through philanthropy and so on.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  But now companies can be equal partners with
                  governments and the civil society in bringing about
                  change in the world, and this of course is critical to
                  business because business can’t succeed in a world
                  that’s failing. We need to have global prosperity. We
                  need to have economic development. We need to solve
                  the problem of jobs. Youth unemployment is an epidemic
                  in the world today.</p>
                <p style="color:#333333;margin:0px 0px 12px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia,'times new roman',serif;line-height:17px">
                  Because of the growing power of the digital
                  revolution, companies have growing power, and they
                  need to step up and be full participants in society,
                  which is why it’s so important that they understand
                  the rise of these new multistakeholder networks—global
                  solution networks—and participate in them.</p>
              </span></div>
            <br>
            <div>
              <div>Le 2 mai 2014 à 16:01, Rafik a écrit :</div>
              <br>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>Hi Norbert,<br>
                  <br>
                  If I understand the argument against
                  Multistakeholderism I am hearing many times is to
                  mainly aimed to prevent private sector from having any
                  role. A position which de facto prevent civil society
                  from having role at all. I guess that is just a side
                  effect? There are problems with private sector
                  involvement but is is diverse stakeholder having SME
                  and big corporate, preventing it from participation
                  doesn't match democratic values you are mentioning .<br>
                  <br>
                  With the state-based model that you are defending, do
                  you  really think that Tunisian government during wsis
                  2005 was really representing Tunisian citizens?  It
                  will be just ironic while you are mentioning  the
                  right of people for self-determination. The
                  state-based model is heaven for all non democratic
                  governments of the world ,and there are so many,
                  because they will silence easily any possible dissent
                  voicing at global level against their policies.<br>
                  <br>
                  Multistaholderism allowed me , the Tunisian  and
                  coming from developing region to participate in such
                  process , but at least I have the decency to not
                  pretend speaking for all the south and the
                  marginalised of the world , I will stand against all
                  those attempts giving more rights to governments than
                  their own citizens. <br>
                  <br>
                  Multistakeholderism need and can be improved but what
                  you are defending cannot be improved at all.<br>
                  <br>
                  Rafik<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Le 2 May 2014 à 22:42, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>>
                  a écrit :<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">TA art. 35 is very very
                    imperfect for a variety of reasons.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">It also was dangerous ten
                    years ago in ways which are not a real danger<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">today.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Today it is IMO an immediate
                    and concrete danger that carelessly<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">designed (and thereby
                    non-democratic) multistakeholder public policy<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">processes could give big
                    business the power to effectively undermine<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">the human right of the peoples
                    to democratic self-determination.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">In the relevant international
                    human rights treaty, the ICCPR, the legal<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">construct through which this
                    human right is established is via the<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">public policy role of states:
                    First it is declared that the peoples<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">have a right to
                    self-determination, and later in the document the<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">right to democratic processes
                    is established.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">I am not asserting that this
                    state-based model is the only possible<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">model of democracy, but it is
                    what we have. I certainly don't want to<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">forsake it before a proven
                    alternative is available.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Until then I will support TA
                    art. 35 with its privileging of states.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">From my perspective there is
                    no need for Parminder to retract anything.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">I agree of course that there
                    are currently very real problems almost<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">every time that states try to
                    get involved in a privileged role as<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">states in Internet governance.
                    And I'm not talking just about the<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">various examples of totally
                    non-democratic states here.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">I propose to address these
                    problems by means of measures such as those<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">proposed on <a href="http://wisdomtaskforce.org/" target="_blank">http://wisdomtaskforce.org/</a><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Greetings,<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Norbert<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Am Fri, 2 May 2014 21:58:47
                    +0900<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">schrieb Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>>:<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Dear Parminder,<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">To the best of my knowledge,
                      no civil society entity has supported<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">paragraph 35 of the Tunis
                      Agenda (paragraph 49 Geneva Declaration of<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Principles.)  It was the
                      position of the Civil Society Plenary in<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Tunis that this language was
                      unacceptable.  To the best of my<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">knowledge this position has
                      not changed.  As recently as last week in<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Sao Paulo it was a matter
                      that unified civil society: clearly we<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">oppose paragraph 35.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">So it was very surprising to
                      read that you, as a representative of<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">civil society on the CSTD
                      working group on enhanced cooperation<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">should support this
                      language, and in doing so associate yourself with<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">business, Iran, Saudi
                      Arabia, among others.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Please retract your comment
                      supporting the Tunis Agenda text on roles<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">and responsibilities as
                      copied below from the transcript.  You have<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">time to do so before the WG
                      finishes its meeting later today.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Paragraph 35 of the Tunis
                      Agenda also below.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Please act immediately.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Thank you,<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Adam<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">PARMINDER JEET SINGH:
                          THANK YOU, CHAIR. MY COMMENTS GO IN THE SAME<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">DIRECTION AS THE SPEAKER
                          PREVIOUS TO ME, MARILYN, THAT IT SHOULD BE<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">RETAINED, THIS
                          PARTICULAR PHRASE OF OUR RESPECTIVE ROLES AND<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">RESPONSIBILITIES AND TO
                          JUSTIFY IT, I MAY ADD THAT THE TUNIS AGENDA<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">TALKS ABOUT THESE ROLES
                          SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF PUBLIC<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">POLICY MAKING AND NOT
                          GENERALLY IN VARIOUS OTHER SOCIAL ENTERPRISES<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">AND ACTIVITIES ALL OF US
                          GET INVOLVED IN. AND THIS PARAGRAPH ALSO<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">ENDS IN IMPLEMENTATION
                          OF ENHANCED COOPERATION WHICH IN MY AND MANY<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">PEOPLE'S UNDERSTANDING
                          IS SPECIFICALLY ONLY ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY<br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">MAKING. <br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">IT IS IN THIS REGARD, AT
                      LEAST IN MY MIND, I HAVE CLARITY ABOUT WHAT<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">IS THE ROLE OF DIFFERENT
                      STAKEHOLDERS BEING QUITE DIFFERENT TO ONE<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">ANOTHER AND I DON'T
                      APPRECIATE THAT NON-GOVERNMENTAL ACTORS WOULD<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">HAVE THE SAME ROLE IN
                      DECISION-MAKING MAKING THAN GOVERNMENTAL<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">ACTORS. THAT SHOULD NOT BE
                      ACCEPTABLE AT A GLOBAL LEVEL. THERE IS A<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">REASON FOR US TO INSIST ON
                      IT BECAUSE I REMEMBER IN THE SECOND<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">MEETING, I SPECIFICALLY
                      ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT PEOPLE ASKING FOR<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">EQUAL ROLES AND ASKED
                      WHETHER THEY REALLY ARE SEEKING AN EQUAL ROLE<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">IN PUBLIC POLICY MAKING. I
                      ASKED IT FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">REPRESENTATIVE WHO THEN
                      RESPONDED TO SAID I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">PRIVATE SECTOR AND THEY SAY,
                      YES, WE WANT TO AN EQUAL FOOTING OF<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">DECISION-MAKING. THIS IS
                      PART OF THE MEETING. IT IS THIS PART OF<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">DEMOCRACY WHICH HAS ACUTELY
                      BOTHERED US. I HAVE SAID THIS EARLIER.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">BUT I INSIST TO SAY THAT
                      AGAIN BECAUSE THERE ARES INENCE ON -- THEIR<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">INSISTENCE ON ROLES AND
                      RESPONSIBILITIES COMES BACK AND AGAIN. FOR ME<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">THAT IS IMPORTANT AND WE
                      WOULD LIKE THAT PHRASE TO BE RETAINED. THANK<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">YOU. <br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <blockquote type="cite">CHAIR MAJOR: THANK YOU,
                          PARMINDER. <br>
                        </blockquote>
                      </blockquote>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Tunis Agenda<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">35. We reaffirm that the
                      management of the Internet encompasses both<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">technical and public policy
                      issues and should involve all<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">stakeholders and relevant
                      intergovernmental and international<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">organizations. In this
                      respect it is recognized that: a) Policy<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">authority for
                      Internet-related public policy issues is the
                      sovereign<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">right of States. They have
                      rights and responsibilities for<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">international
                      Internet-related public policy issues. b) The
                      private<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">sector has had, and should
                      continue to have, an important role in the<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">development of the Internet,
                      both in the technical and economic<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">fields. c) Civil society has
                      also played an important role on<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Internet matters, especially
                      at community level, and should continue<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">to play such a role. d)
                      Intergovernmental organizations have had, and<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">should continue to have, a
                      facilitating role in the coordination of<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">Internet-related public
                      policy issues. e) International organizations<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">have also had and should
                      continue to have an important role in the<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">development of
                      Internet-related technical standards and relevant<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite">policies.<br>
                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
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                    </blockquote>
                  </blockquote>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
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