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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Jeremy,<br>
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I had missed out on this traffic to understand how this all worked
but I would still like thorough discussions on this issue for
future if others agree.<br>
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On 04/29/2014 07:20 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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On 29 Apr 2014, at 5:35 pm, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Arial">The
deadlock was broken by us using text that was suggested,
or proposed by Jeremy Malcolm on the second day. I can't
remember exactly what Jeremy had said, but is input
implied that some protection for authors would be
acceptable.<br>
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<div>I lost my verbatim note of what I said due to a crash, but
from Pranesh's log of the transcript (at <a
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<div>THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MY NAME IS JEREMY---- ON AN
ENABLING ENVIRONMENT FOR INNOVATION AND CREATIVITY, WHICH
AS YOUR CO-CHAIR NOTED GENERATED THE MOST COMMENTS OF ANY
PARAGRAPH. DUE TO THE MISCONCEPTION THAT REFERENCE TO
PERMISSIONLESS INNOVATION WAS ABOUT THE USE OF CREATIVE
CONTENT WITHOUT PERMISSION. <br>
NOW VORRING'S WHEN WE THINK OF INNOVATION, APART FROM
SCIENTISTS, WE THINK OF ARTISTS AND PERMISSIONLESS INNOVATION
IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A FAMILIAR CONCEPT TO ARTISTS
BECAUSE THERE IS NO PERMISSION REQUIRED TO WRITE A SONG OR A
PLAY OR A NOVEL. YOU JUST DO IT. AND INNOVATION ON THE
INTERNET SHOULD WORK THE SAME WAY. NOW INNOVATION IS ALWAYS
SUBJECT TO THE RULE OF LAW. THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. I
DON'T, THEREFORE, THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO SPELL OUT ALL THE
LEGAL LIMITS TO INNOVATION THAT MAY EXIST, OF WHICH
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE JUST ONE. THOUGH IF WE WERE
TO ADD THE WORDS "CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PRINCIPLES IN THIS
DOCUMENT," I DON'T SEE WHAT HARM THAT COULD DO. <br>
THAT DOES, HOWEVER, RAISE THE SECONDARY POINT OF WHETHER IP
RIGHTS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF HUMAN RIGHTS, AS SOME
HAVE CONTENDED. <br>
AGAIN, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE LIST OF
RIGHTS IS ALREADY EXPLICITLY NONEXCLUSIVE, AND NOTHING THAT WE
AGREE AT NETmundial CAN DETRACT FROM WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE
UDHR. <br>
SO I WOULD OPPOSE ADDING A POINT ON IP, BUT IF ONE WAS
ADDED NEVERTHELESS IT WOULD, AT THE VERY LEAST, BE NECESSARY
TO QUALIFY IT TO REFLECT THE NEED TO BALANCE PRIVATE IP RIGHTS
WITH THE BROADER PUBLIC INTEREST. <br>
INDEED, PARAGRAPH 27 OF THE UDHR ITSELF BALANCES IP RIGHTS
WITH THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CULTURAL LIFE OF
THE COMMUNITY, SO WE SHOULD MENTION THAT, ALONG WITH THE
RIGHTS TO EDUCATION, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND INFORMATION,
AND THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY. <br>
I CAN SEND SOME PARTICULAR TEXT SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE -- WE DO
-- AS A -- AS A STARTING POINT, WE OPPOSE THE ADDITION OF A
RIGHT TO IP. <br>
SO IN CONCLUSION, WE DO SUPPORT THE RETENTION OF
PERMISSIONLESS INNOVATION, AND WE BELIEVE THAT MINIMAL, IF
ANY, CHANGES ARE NECESSARY TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS NOT
INTENDED TO OVERRIDE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS -- <br>
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-- THANK YOU.</div>
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in the end, this text was not too bad. And we managed to
keep 'permissionless innovation' in another part of the
document. The BAD news is that the text on internet
intermediary liability which was only finalised after the
high level committee meeting is the same OECD text which
civil society opposed in 2011. France and the US were
insisted it be included. It is text that links
intermediary liability to economic growth and that opens
the doors to intermediaries being made responsible for
enforcing copyright. For me that was a huge, huge blow.<br>
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I am not in a position to respond to your other questions
as I was not involved in finalising the civil society
inputs. <br>
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<div>There was no plan to produce a text, consensus or otherwise,
out of the pre-meeting. This was something that happened
spontaneously because some of the organisers decided to do it.
They did a good job, but one of the things that was lost was
context - such as degrees of consensus around particular text
(there was not a consensus on everything) and whether some text
is a "last resort" position, etc. Part of the context that was
lost for the IP text was that it was a "last resort" for how we
could balance out the IP language if it was included by
industry. So it is correct of you (Achal) to say that this
proposing protection of IP rights is not a civil society
position. I considered the text from the pre-meeting as more of
a rough roadmap or guide for our interventions, rather than as
an agreed text. Similarly the closing statement, which also
happened spontaneously, cannot be considered as representing a
civil society consensus.</div>
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