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On 04/27/2014 08:08 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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Robin, thanks so much for doing this. I'd like to add a few
additional observations:
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<div>1. Good thing CS met the day before to discuss perspectives
and strategy. It seemed to build increased trust and respect,
focus attention for presentation on key issues, and begin to
get us organized.</div>
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<div>2. We probably needed an additional day of meeetings to
further refine strategy and how to maximize our influence . </div>
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<div>3. Given the totally fluid nature and opaqueness of how a
final document would come together, all stakeholder groups were
nervous but we were most disadvantaged by not having a last
minute "power push" to match government and corporate efforts. </div>
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<div>4. We might have been able to do slightly better on wording
but in the end, the leverage of key governments and corporate
interests was always going to win the battle IF consensus was
the goal. That's just a reminder of the ongoing political power
deficit we always face and must continue the fight to overcome. </div>
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From: Robin Gross <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"><robin@ipjustice.org></a> <br>
Date: 04/27/2014 12:13 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: Stephanie Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a> <br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org,Izumi">governance@lists.igcaucus.org,Izumi</a> AIZU
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Subject: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1 <br>
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Thanks! I just posted a cleaned-up version of this earlier
big-picture analysis to the web: <span class="Apple-style-span"
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<h1 id="post-1128" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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border-top-color: initial; ">A Civil Society Perspective
on NETmundial 2014 Final Outcome Document: A Remarkable
Achievement, Despite Losses to Hollywood & Govts Over
Specific Language on Most Controversial Issues</h1>
<div class="post" style="border-bottom-width: 1px;
border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(153,
153, 153); padding-bottom: 1em; position: static; z-index:
auto; ">
<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 1.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top:
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span"
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">A
few high-level thoughts on the Netmundial meeting in
Brazil this week and its final outcome document,
adopted by its high level committee. Overall, there
are some truly amazing and forward-looking principles
supported in the "Netmundial Multi-Stakeholder
Statement" that we as civil society should proud of,
and especially our civil society representatives who
worked tirelessly for this achievement. </span> </p>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Specifically,
the Internet governance principles of human rights,
democracy, equality, openness, transparency,
accountability, decentralization, and the Internet as a
global resource to be managed in the public interest are
all supported in the final outcome document. These
principles are all wonderful achievements for social
justice and an important pivot point in the evolution of
global governance principles and mechanisms. </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "> </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Civil
society lost ground on the specific wording over the
most contentious issues, such as surveillance,
copyright, permissionless innovation, intermediary
protections, net neutrality, and separation of policy
& operations in IANA, but the fact that these
controversial issues were mentioned at all in the
statement, is a significant advancement (except for the
ode to copyright). So on some key substantive policy
issues, the statement reflects a remarkable positive
achievement, despite a few critical losses on the
specific wording where civil society got out-lobbied,
out-muscled, & out-manuevered in the last minute, in
less transparent and less organized processes. Civil
society gained great experience from engaging in the
process and learned a number of places were improvements
can be made in future discussions and processes.
Perhaps the losses on specific wording on the most
contentious issues was the price to pay to obtain the
larger and more numerous high-level principles
supporting social justice goals and the positive
development of the Internet.</div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "> </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">The
simple fact the govts and business had to negotiate with
civil society over final text language (and govts wait
in line at the mic to speak) is another step-forward in
Internet governance. Even with short comings, there was
more transparency over the drafting and final high level
committee’s weakening and adoption of the document than
there is in other global governance regimes, where we
can’t see the drafting at all, since a few of us could
watch (those who could walk into the room) in NETmundial
final high level committee and drafting sessions. There
is demonstrated need for improved transparency in these
critical decision-making moments in the process going
forward. And the inability to anticipate the process
also impeded civil society, who tends to be
significantly under-represented in decision-making
positions and among the insiders.</div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "> </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">I
don’t want us to lose sight of the big picture, and fail
to see the really encouraging parts of this document,
and that in many ways, this was a positive advancement
in the evolution of Internet governance and Internet
freedom. </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "> </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Without
question, civil society was under-represented on panels,
in committees, and key decision-making positions -
everyone knows that - and we need to keep pushing on
that critical point; this statement supports "equality",
so we’ve got our hook for that key civil society goal in
here too. The last minute (significantly weakening or)
insertion of new language, for which there was no
consensus or previous discussion, by powerful interests
(generally Hollywood, Govt, ICANN) on the document’s
most controversial issues was one of the process’
biggest break down points.</div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "> </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Even
with the process issues and painful losses on specific
language on the most controversial issues, on balance,
this document is a pretty good starting point for
further discussions on Internet governance and its
positive evolution.</div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "> </div>
<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a
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href="http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/"
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); background-color:
transparent; text-decoration: underline; font-size:
16px; font-weight: bold; ">"Netmundial
Multistakeholder Statement"</a></div>
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<div>On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:</div>
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<div>Stephanie P<br>
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<div>On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Robin Gross <<a
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wrote:</div>
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<div>A few thoughts on the outcome doc and
Netmundial generally, after the benefit of a
plane ride to process the experience.
Overall, there are some truly amazing
principles supported in the Netmundial
Multi-Stakeholder Statement that we as civil
society should proud of and especially our
representatives who got this achievement. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Internet governance principles of human
rights, democracy, equality, openness,
transparency, accountability, decentralized,
Internet as global resource to be managed in
the public interest are all supported in the
final outcome document. These are all truly
amazing achievements and an important pivot
point in the evolution of the global
governance ecosystem. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Civil society lost ground on the specific
wording over the most contentious issues, such
as surveillance, copyright, permissionless
innovation, intermediary liability, net
neutrality, and separation of policy &
operations in IANA, but the fact that these
issues were mentioned in the governance
document itself, is a significant advancement
(except for the ode to copyright). So on some
key substantive policy issues, the document
reflects a remarkable achievement, despite a
few critical losses where civil society got
out-lobbied, out-muscled, & out-manuevered
in the last minute behind less transparent and
less organized processes on the specific
wording. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But the simple fact the govts and biz had
to negotiate with civil society over key
language (and wait in line to speak) is
another rather remarkable step-forward. There
was more transparency over the drafting and
adoption of the document than there is in
other global governance regimes where we can't
see the drafting at all, since a few of us
could watch. We now see the need for improved
transparency in these key critical
decision-making moments in this going forward.
And the process frustrated and impeded civil
society, who tends not be in current
decision-making positions on these important
process decisions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't want us to lose sight of the big
picture, and fail to see the really great
parts of this document, and that in many ways,
this was a very positive step forward in the
evolution of the Internet governance and
Internet freedom. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, civil society was under-represented on
panels, in committees, and key decision-making
positions - everyone knows that - and we need
to keep pushing on that point too; this doc
supports "equality", so we've got our hook for
that goal here too.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On balance, this document is a pretty good
starting point for further discussions on
Internet governance and its positive
evolution.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My 2 cents,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Izumi AIZU
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Thank you Stephanie and Adam
for your clarifications.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I still have the "impression" that
the last session was not quite as open
as it could be. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Firstly, there was not announcement,
or explanation, as to how the final
document would be dealt by HLMC in
advance, or even on the fly, for those
who were in the Main Room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, it would be much better to have
live streaming and scribed texts online
for those who were not in the small
drafting room. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would say even in the small room,
it was VERY difficult to figure out what
exactly they are discussing unless you
have good hearing ability and
understanding of the English since they
were not using the microphone and
sometimes audiences making some noise.</div>
<div>It was semi transparent in my view.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I do not mean for criticism, but for
lessons going forward.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>More than 10 years ago, we had WSIS
prep meeting in Tokyo and we insisted
that Drafting session by governments
plus civil society and private sector be
open to all who want to participate. It
worked well. We had big screen in front
of all, and everyone could speak up once
chair allow, there were some distinction
between the official member of the
drafting committee and others, but not
much, In the end the result of this
informal drafting committee was sent to
the government only negotiation, which
was open and transparent, but
no-government stakeholders including
IGOs could have no say.</div>
<div>We asked government people to "honor"
the works of this multistakeholder draft
document and in my view we got 85%, if
not 90%. (could not get good language
for Human rights and Freedom of
Expression).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, after more than 10 years, we
have, as I wrote, better online tool,
much better working experience among CS
members with other stakeholders, better
recognition on CS and MSH to advance our
work.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As Jeanette and Ian point out, we
could have done better if we had better
prepared and also better prepared on the
fly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But overall, I think civil society
did a very good job, together with
Brazilian host, but also I like to
mention the other stakeholders,
governments, business, tech and academic
community also deserve the recognition
together, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As we were discussing during the
dinner right after the closure, we could
and should understand some government
folks who really had constraints under
their mandate, therefore had to put
their reservations on the record. And
even so, I think their behaviors were
not that disruptive, at the last stage,
to honor Brazilian host and also all of
us engaged there.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>izumi</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-27 2:30
GMT+09:00 Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp"
target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span>:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">The last
meeting of the HLMC was open to
observers. But it was a shame we
didn't think to put cameras and mics
in the room for the drafting sessions
so they could have been webcast. Just
that it wasn't thought of at the time.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
Adam<br>
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On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM,
Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
<br>
> Unfortunately that process
was not open, and perhaps for good
reason. They also realize they
made an error in the last minute
rush, and put the wrong older text
in for one clause. Business is
actually arguing to put a better
one for us back in. Will let the
list know if it happens.<br>
> Despite the hairiness of this
process, I think folks should
remember that there was a
remarkable production of good will
achieved by all the open drafting
sessions….this is really an
unusual way to do business. Rome
wasn’t built in a day…<br>
> Stephanie Perrin<br>
> Cheers stephanie<br>
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM,
Izumi AIZU <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> First, Thanks to ALL who
made this impossible possible.<br>
>><br>
>> I was wondering during
the last hours of confusion about
the last-minute change, as well as
sort of HLMC overriding the
preceding process.<br>
>><br>
>> My question 1 was, was
this finalizing the Outcome
document open to observers?<br>
>> (I still don't know and
appreciate if someone teach me).<br>
>><br>
>> I was wondering, and also
now like to propose in the future
similar event, to use the<br>
>> online tool, I mean
online Notepad.<br>
>><br>
>> In addition to the
real-time scribes, and using
projectors to put the text on the
screen,<br>
>> it will be very effective
to use the online notepad (such as
Google Doc or something similar),
over the Internet, as we draft.
Everyone online can see the
process of changing<br>
>> the words or sentences,
they can keep track of all the
changes.<br>
>><br>
>> It will be useful for all
the remote participants, or those
in different rooms of the same<br>
>> venue while small number
of drafting committee people do
the work, that make it
transparent.<br>
>><br>
>> Just a suggestion.<br>
>><br>
>> izumi<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00
Ian Peter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>:<br>
>> and I should have added –
thanks too to the BestBits people
for a really constructive pre
conference get together. Without
that we could not have worked
together so well at the main
event.<br>
>><br>
>> From: Ian Peter<br>
>> Sent: Friday, April 25,
2014 11:17 PM<br>
>> To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [governance]
netmundial 0.1<br>
>><br>
>> The conference is now
over, and many of us now go into
travel and long flights. But
before I do, I want to say that
during this conference, and the
meeting beforehand, civil society
people really worked incredibly
well together – far more so than
other constituencies. It was great
to work with a group of such
talented and knowledgeable people.
There was a high volume of
exchange and consultation between
people and speakers on our behalf,
with a willingness to take on
other perspectives from the group,
to stand down to allow a more
relevant speaker to address a
subject etc. great team work.<br>
>><br>
>> As regards the results –
this was version 0.1 of this very
interesting – and i think
promising – version of
multistakeholder consultation. So
like all versions 0.1, it was full
of bugs and there are a few
changes that should be made and
improvements. I might say a thing
or two about that after I have
cleared my head. So I think the
process has some lessons for us,
and is worth repeating.<br>
>><br>
>> As regards the outputs –
as the civil society statement
said, there were areas of
disappointment. I would say
personally that I was very angry
at last minute changes made to
some sections after the formal
processes of drafting and
consolidating text had ended and
passed through those committees to
the final approval stage. This was
an example of some governmental
players being more equal than
others. As one colleague said,
more like imperialism than
multistakeholderism, from a party
who preaches the religion. Oh
well. In time I might say more
about the detail of that.<br>
>><br>
>> But for now – there was
much good as well, and it was
fantastic to be involved in this
with such a great group of people.
All our Brazilian reps, and also
our selected reps on various
committees, did a fantastic job –
ad it was privilege to see how
well they did. They worked long
and hard on our behalf and deserve
a lot of praise. If I start names
I will miss someone, but to
everyone who represented us, I
must say job extremely well done.<br>
>><br>
>> Now to wind down after
three days of intense activities.
Great work everyone, really
worthwhile event.<br>
>><br>
>> Ian Peter<br>
>><br>
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