<div dir="ltr"><div>This is great news Nnenna. I am sure you will present our views so well. <br></div><div>Adding to what has been suggested by other, the issue of massive surveillance by governments considering the mushrooming laws coming up in many of "our' countries all authorising surveillance and reinforcing the need for capacity building especially for developing countries governments' understanding of IG issues.<br>
<br></div><div>But I am positive you are the right person to deliver our message.<br><br></div><div>Good luck.<br></div><div>Lillian <br></div><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:10 PM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM,
Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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<pre>what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"? Does the word public add clarity? Does it tell us something otherwise missing?</pre>
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If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to
answer your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration
for a Just and Equitable Internet' (enclosed)<br>
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"<font size="3">An open and decentralized
Internet requires strict enforcement of open and public standards.
Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by anyone
in
any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software
(FOSS).
The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be
stemmed
and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are
publicly
owned, freely accessible and implementable.</font>
"<br>
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I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate
further.<br>
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No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the
'public standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of
course written much earlier.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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parminder <br></font></span><div><div class="h5">
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Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more words of their own...)
The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:
Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable, decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all. Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and innovation.
(25, in <a href="http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/" target="_blank">http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/</a>)
Is this weak? How can it be improved? 6 comments so far, are they helpful?
Adam (in my individual capacity)
On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
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<pre>Agree with Parminder.
We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do collaborative submissions?
But I would not blame big business Parminder.
Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also problematic from a public-interest perspective.
Anriette
On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
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<pre>And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public standards' which was in the initial draft......
I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that has been put for public comments..
Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard anyone present it.
This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to... Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.
parminder
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
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<pre>Carlos,
Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil; it is not here in this document...
And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net neutrality is still there...
Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both places..
Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been removed..
Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly diluted...
So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big business or the US gov...
Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in the document clearly show.
BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents) seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says multi-stakeholder....
parminder
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
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<pre>Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
please re-read.
--c.a.
On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
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<pre>Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
to help Nnenna?
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
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<pre>Dear all
+1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
best
MF
On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
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<pre>Congrats Nnenna!
Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
- is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
:) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
- mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
are not simply cosmetic.
Anriette
On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
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jeanette
Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
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<pre>Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
*From:* Nnenna Nwakanma
<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank"><mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com></a>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
*To:* Governance
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*Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
major issues
Dear all,
I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
inviting me
to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
into
place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
issues
will be overlooked.
I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
draft/keypoints will be Monday.
Hope we can pull this off well.
All for now
Nnenna
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